Govt angry over 'drunk premier' video

2012-03-30 22:23

Johannesburg - The Eastern Cape government has called for the person who posted a video, purportedly of Premier Noxolo Kiviet drunk at an East London bar, to be prosecuted.

It vowed to investigate the video's posting. The video is available on YouTube, 2oceansvibe, and other media sites. It shows a woman similar in appearance to Kiviet.

"The person on the video is not premier Kiviet, and the culprit who posted it should be brought to book," the provincial government said in a statement.

"Only the culprit knows what his intentions are, but this act is disrespectful and malicious and we will not let him get away with it. Premier Kiviet is a respected leader and mother and her image should not be subjected to outrageous social network jokes."

It described the video as "distasteful, disrespectful and false".

"Social networks are there for people to share information and keep in contact with each other, not to harm other people."

Cape Town-based website 2oceansvibe on Thursday reported the video had been shot by a man using his Blackberry mobile phone, at a sports bar in East London. It dated the video Friday, February 24, 23:57.

The man told the site the woman in the video was Kiviet.

"It was definitely Noxolo," 2oceansvibe quoted him as saying.

"I was there from 22:00 'til midnight. I left at midnight, and she was still there."

On watching the video, Sapa was not able to clearly distinguish the woman's features.

At one point, the woman is heard saying: "Black people, they like to lie."

  • helena.langner - 2012-03-30 23:11

    Hehe... So what if she had a few drinks?- shes HILARIOUS and just having a bit of fun!!!

      Scouter - 2012-03-30 23:39

      Quite right, compared to the other sins committed by Government officials this is small change - hell, allow her to let her hair down. We all do it every now and again.

      Ron - 2012-03-31 00:42

      Agree but don;t lie about it....

      karen.inward - 2012-03-31 11:11

      She is a public official and expected to conduct herself with dignity at all times.

      trix.duvenage - 2012-03-31 15:50

      No govt celeb is supposed to be EVERV in a state of disgrace. If she is hILLARIOUS she better be that way in her house and not in a bar as that will be criminal. BUT: This is South Africa and we are [lately] a peculiar nation

  • Gregory - 2012-03-30 23:15

    Prosecute your thieving cadres . Social media is our freedom to express what ever we want. And we will .

      Kolobe - 2012-03-31 15:21

      how is this news we dont know if it is her or not? typical of da24

      BobM6389 - 2012-03-31 16:30

      Greg I support you all the way with one proviso 'ONLY IF IT IS THE TRUTH'

  • Chris - 2012-03-31 00:07

    HA HA HA....Bafoons and Alcohol don't mix.

      Eric - 2012-04-01 08:31

      "Premier Kiviet is a respected leader"?? BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • linda.l.mndayi - 2012-03-31 00:11

    Journalism in this country has gone to the dogs, not even one quote in this story attributed with a name. Now won't be surprised the story, at least this article is a figment of some lazy journo's imagination.

      Antonio - 2012-03-31 10:01

      Wrong. There is indeed a source: "Cape Town-based website 2oceansvibe." A web site is a source like any other. A book is a source. Another newspaper is a source, as in cases where a daily newspaper sites a "Sunday newspaper" as the source of a story being followed up in the Monday paper. Ideally, a news report should not go with a single-sourced STORY; but that does not mean that a quote or single ITEM of information should not be a single source. By definition it has to be a single source, otherwise it's not "a source". But the entire story itself should not come from a single source. So, your comment about "figment of some lazy journo's imagination" indicates lazy thinking on your own account.

      Antonio - 2012-03-31 10:35

      I often think that South Africans do not really deserve a free press. That maybe they should just be dished up a diet of government press releases (talk about single-source stories!) Imagine a newspaper with the front page lead about some non-event created by the Public Works PR department, announcing a new road works development. The first quote comes from the minister of public works, followed by additional quotes. The next quote comes from a director general in Public Works. The next quote comes from the Premier in the province where the project is being launched. The next quote comes from one or more mayors in the towns that stand to benefit. There's a picture of poor people travelling on a pot-holed road; or of the premier holding a space, standing in front of some workers at the road site. Then there are quotes from some people who live in the area, telling how happy they are about the new project. Blah, blah, blah. Imagine if your newspaper is full of that. Then there are the ubiquitous "corruption stories", where yesterday's elites are now 'exposed' and 'paraded' before the public who called upon to shout "Phantsi, phantsi!" And their characters are assassinated in the interests of the power ambitions of the new elites. And in all this, the critical PUBLIC is turned into an unthinking and servile MOB, as happened in the French Revolution, in the Chinese Cultural Revolution, and in how many other instances where totalitarianism rules in the name of "The People".

      Antonio - 2012-03-31 10:49

      Let's talk about the "corruption" stories we sometimes find in the press. How many of them actually come from journalists themselves. They are actually leaked by opposing factions in the ruling party (who speak "off the record"). It's Watergate writ-small. A source in the Party represents an ambitious (Zuma or Mbeki) faction in the ANC. Say, in the E Cape, a certain (Mbeki?) faction is sidelined, and they want to gain greater access to resources (i.e., taxes). They criminalise a powerful member of the opposing faction. They leak the "story", but always off the record. What better way than to place a video on a web site. Then they set up the press to report that "non-event" (definition: an event deliberately created for the purpose of reporting, hiding forces in the background). PR does this all the time. An "event" would be something like a flood, plane crash, shooting, crime, etc. But the "non-event" is always presented as if it was a real "event". So much "corruption" in the news comes from sources that stand to gain from the character assassination that would happen as a result. The sources can be an opposition party (as in the arms deal), or from an ambitious faction within the ruling party (as, I suspect, in this story). Reality is never quite as it is made to appear. The buyer beware!

      Antonio - 2012-03-31 12:09

      I'm not condoning Noxolo being drunk. How many other MPs, politicians, premiers get drunk in public. Manto Shabalala-Msimang was perpetually inebriated; and stories about Mbeki and booze that were well-known (though not published) were far from complimentary. Stories about Zuma have all but dried up. But has he now become faithfully married? Neither Mbeki nor Msimang were removed from office because they liked their sauce. Zuma was not removed from office because he bonked his best friend's daughter (and how many others?). The point I am making is that it is coincidental that this story emerges at a time when the government is desperately trying to repair its reputation viz-a-vis E Cape delivery. It probably can't actually improve delivery, but needs a "political solution" to the problem now. This is one reason, I surmise, why Zille could make that statement about E Cape education refugees; and more so why certain voices in the ANC made such a thing about that statement. It was a political blow for the ANC. Demonising Noxolo offers a political solution because it helps to remove her, focusing blame on her personally, and buying the ANC time to invent yet another "political solution" for delivery problems in the E Cape that are actually endemic.

      Gaby - 2012-04-01 01:22

      @Antonio. I tend to agree. Wikileaks has opened my eyes to how wars are fought by small groups of people making decisions based on what they see on a 5inch screen. The fact is that South Africans are generally devoid of morals and values. They sell to anyone who will grease their palms. Democracy is not working in SA. Once we vote these guys in, we can't get rid of them. Perhaps a Chinese style model is better. Religion used to be a way to control the masses, but those days are over. How do we get a group of people, who are genuinley motivated to uplift the people, to lead this country? And please, not the youth, who are agressive and impatient?

  • Blip - 2012-03-31 01:46

    Noxolo isn't as squeaky-clean as you thought, ANC. She's obviously a heavy drinker.

  • siyadyosiba - 2012-03-31 02:56

    Good work cameraperson, however you are a complete idiot. If there are caremas in that room, you are in trouble. Its obvious that the camera-person is part of the noxolo circle and is definitely gonna kiss his/her job goodbye and will be blacklisted in all political circles, and that's severely career-limiting.

      asteyn - 2012-03-31 04:48

      so you are rather focussed on catching the person taking the video than addressing drunken behaviour by senior government officials?

      Antonio - 2012-03-31 10:10

      ANC circles operate so much like the Mafia insofar as there are always allies mixed with enemies wanting to take your job, or act on behalf of an opposing faction. I wouldn't be surprised to learn that it was an intelligence (oxymoran, that it is) agent acting on behalf of the NIS or other faction that want to replace the premier because she is not part of the changing guard in the ANC, either nationally or provincially. If the "man" (and, are we sure it was actually a "man") was some bystander, then what does that say about the premier's protection? I agree with siyadyosiba that the camera-person was part of the Noxolo circle, but that he or he was acting either for the NIS, or/and for an opposing faction in the ANC. Very Mafia politics.

      Antonio - 2012-03-31 10:15

      And why would this "non-event" (as in the Journalism definition) be 'leaked' as a story? Answer: Turn the page to government concerns at E Cape non-delivery. Disgrace the premier. She becomes the fall-guy for the ANC. The message: "Ah! That's why there's no delivery. The premier is a drunkard. It's her fault." And the ANC buys a certain amount of respect and forgiveness.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-03-31 10:20

      @asten, I am just stating a fact. Politics is a dirty game.

      Antonio - 2012-03-31 10:37

      A dirty game made more so by another fact that in South Africa it is conducted along lines of the Mafia (Cosa Nostra).

  • wesleywt - 2012-03-31 03:30

    What exactly is the crime. These people think they are kings and queens of the country.

  • Bronwyn - 2012-03-31 06:08

    This woman is a joke!! I know that we all have a few too many, but she s supposed to be a member of parliament, and as such should behave in an acceptable manner. If she wants to act like a total tramp, she should do it in her own home!!! Making SA a laughing stock!

  • Ramazan Katunda - 2012-03-31 06:49

    Full of arrogants in this country...bring the person to book.

      wesleywt - 2012-03-31 07:21

      Explain the crime. I would say you are the arrogant one for throwing people in jail just because you don't like them. We need to stop being like the rest of Africa who worship their useless leaders.

      tshekiso.saul - 2012-03-31 11:04

      It is disturbing and I suspect the website is white owned. Where is the respect for leadership.

      malcolm.molver - 2012-03-31 14:39

      Ramazan and Tshekiso, you two are really retarded hey? Respect is earned! You can't demand it. The government are a bunch of corrupt, inbred morons who don't deserve any respect! And Ramazan, you're not a South African, so go comment somewhere else!

      Riaan - 2012-03-31 14:48

      And I suspect you no branis. But that's agiven since you're an ANC sycophant.

      Denny - 2012-03-31 15:05

      @tshekiso.saul - the same place the government's respect for citizens and taxpayer is.

      Clive - 2012-03-31 16:56

      @tshekiso: Like anyone else, leaders must EARN respect - it is not a given. Now you tell me what the ANC "leadership" - to use the term loosely - has done to earn our respect. If the ANC were to go after all the corrupt officials in its ranks, rather than someone who took a probably harmless video, they would quickly start earning some respect. If the premier was having a few drinks, so what; if she was drunk and disorderly, that's a different matter for someone holding high public office. As for your "white owned" remark, it is pathetic and racist.

  • Walter - 2012-03-31 07:17

    Get a life! Are the ANC and their minions without a sense of humour..... IF the clip has been staged??? So what!

  • bluzulu - 2012-03-31 07:19

    Nasty Politicking going on here!!!

      Koos - 2012-03-31 13:46

      This is nothing, you should see 50 drunken council members go at it.

      bluzulu - 2012-04-01 07:25

      This woman in the video is the Alledged Conucillor, Yet the Peanut Jury has already decide the Judgement !! Wake up , this is just Politicking , DA style.

      Johan - 2012-04-02 12:33

      Politicking? Your head is not ticking.

  • Justyn Roger Harrison - 2012-03-31 07:35

    People will put what they want on social networks and no anc mofo can stop it this is bigger than the anc. The anc should worry about our more pressing issues

  • clivegoss - 2012-03-31 07:35

    Goes a long way (if true) to explain the astronomical mess that is the Eastern Cape. Want to ban me as well ?

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-31 09:08

    It is time for the people to wake up. The ANC appointees seem to think everything is just about them. That they can do what they want. Spend the people's money as they choose. Disregard the needs of the people. In this case the ANC will probably use money and other resources which can be better used elsewhere, to follow up this silly case. It is as if the ANC is already infused with the DNA of the envisaged secrecy act. If the YouTube publication was in any way scandalous or damaging to the character or reputation of the lady, she should pursue the matter as a civil case within the framework of existing legislation, using her own resources. Like any other citizen.

  • robbieyahu - 2012-03-31 09:10

    yip she just had some fun !!! everybody does that once in a while AND whats wrong with posting the vid ?? NOTHING !! the rulers dont like freedom ...we must be good little slaves !!! thats why they get so upset ???? if they manage to block these small things being exposed ...imagine how they win a round against people exposing the daily big wrongdoings as well ...i say to the eastern-cape government ... back-off !!! i could use a stronger word .. something with a "F" ... but seeing the matter in the true "minute" thing it is ...i will simply just say BACK OFF ... we are NOT your slaves !!! peace4peace

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-03-31 09:50

      That's the spirit (hic!) robbie!

  • Antonio - 2012-03-31 11:21

    Quotes from the report: At one point, the woman is heard saying: "Black people, they like to lie." This bothers me. What are the chances of such an incriminating statement being so clearly audible? I suspect that the video is not the work of an amateur, but someone with access to sound editing software, and that the video was deliberately edited in order to criminalise Noxolo. I'd say this is the work of the intelligence services. It's part of a carefully-orchestrated plot. We, as the public, should not be co-opted to consent to the interests and ambitions of whichever faction of the ruling elite this video is meant to serve. This is like a show trial. It's the work of the very same people who like to condemn "trial by the media"; but have absolutely no misgivings about using the media for the very same purposes -- so long as it serves their power interests.

      Jan - 2012-03-31 16:17

      I agree with you... must be the communists... Bloody agents!

  • will.glibbery - 2012-03-31 11:26

    I think that every public official should be allowed to be just a normal person and have fun. How and where they do it, however, is a different matter. Getting wasted and misbehaving in the public view is not OK, it gives people the wrong impression. If you have no self control over your liquor or your tongue, do it in private, not in a public drinking hole. Even more so in the Eastern Cape, where the state of things is diabolical right now, and it points right to rot in leadership. And if this IS her in the video, then it speaks volumes. The Govt reaction speaks volumes too. Which is why of course, the access to information bill is so important to leaders who want to act like palookas, without fear of retribution.

  • hein.huyser - 2012-03-31 13:17

    How can anyone be prosecuted for showing the truth. It is imbiciles like those in government that think they own the world and the world owns them that needs to be prosecuted. No, not one person, especially those in positions of government office that needs to be exposed for the fraudsters they are, in order for the voting public to know who actually thay are voting for.

  • Koos - 2012-03-31 13:47

    So let me get this straight. When politicians get drunk they start speaking the truth?

      Squeegee - 2012-03-31 17:12

      Yes, their normal language is lies; when their guard comes down the truth sometimes slips out...

  • Hugh - 2012-03-31 14:50

    @Scouter. It is unlikely she would have let her hair down, more like took her wig off.

  • bzengetwa - 2012-03-31 15:16

    Ag what is so amusing about an infamous premier of EC made famous on youtube. she was drinking, having fun so what!!! It is not a video of her and her husband/sider having sex..

      Squeegee - 2012-03-31 17:13

      If you have to ask the question, then its no wonder this country is where it is at the moment.

  • Templeton - 2012-03-31 15:21

    @ a sports Bar, those people dont't drink from such places.

  • Fanie - 2012-03-31 18:19

    These people of the Eastern Cape take the cake! They go mad when Big Mama told them that their children are refugees. Now they go mad about a picture that maybe not a picture of their beloved, incompetant(the whole lot of them), traitor to her people, by assosiation a stealer of money. THIS SHOUTING OF THEIRDS IS JUST TO TAKE THE ATTENTION AWAY FROM THE MULTITUDE OF PROBLEMS THAT IS HAPPENING IN THE E/C.

  • annelize.jerling - 2012-03-31 23:39

    Pathetic that people just assume it was her! Read this I hope everyone who just assumed it was her and had a lot to say will have the balls to apologise. Strange pre-1994 if the liquor antics of some cabinet ministers came to light it was brushed under the carpet "ons praat nie daaroor nie" of all the functions I attended the past two years premier Kiviet always conducted herself with dignity. And believe me with her hectic schedule a few spare hours will not be spent in a crammy bar.

  • Gregory Jurgens - 2012-04-01 03:36

    Cape Town - ANC spokesperson Jackson Mthembu has been convicted of drunk driving following a plea agreement with prosecutors.

      Gregory Jurgens - 2012-04-01 03:38

      This dude was pissed out of his bracket driving in the bus lane at 8 o clock in the morning.

  • Morapedi - 2012-04-01 08:05

    I dont see that as a mega-problm, South Africans like to entertain silly thngs. If she was at an model-c bar it would hv a been a prbm, now at the sports bar its a prblm *wat d u wnt?*

  • Jacqui - 2012-04-01 12:39

    So she had a few too many. That's normal in the ANC.

  • Thando - 2012-04-02 08:34

    After stealing our land and insulting us for hundreds of years, these white people now dont have to hide their racism. They have a ticket to racially abuse us openly. I wonder when will the tide turn.....

      abram.spamers - 2012-07-09 09:15

      Julius Malema openly and brutally insulted Hellen Zille on many occasions. This guy takes a video of a drunk government official and NOW you cry racism? Good luck with that broken sence of justice

  • abram.spamers - 2012-07-09 08:02

    Haha give her a trophy or just leave her alone. I have more respect for a person who can be herself in the public eye than one who puts up a front.

  • reza.ryklief - 2012-07-09 09:11

    "Sapa was not able to clearly distinguish the womans features" So how can the government be so sure it's not here? Has the government got some next gen video analysis software we haven't seen? It's no real biggie if she let her hair down, but SA gov sure knows "De Nile" isn't just a river in Egypt. Stop denying everything, man up for a change.

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