Eastern Cape resort probed for racism

2012-01-12 12:31

Johannesburg - An Eastern Cape resort is being investigated for not allowing a black child to enter its premises, the Eastern Cape Parks and Tourism Agency (ECPTA) said on Thursday.

The 11-year-old boy was to have gone to the Lapel Lê resort in Cintsa on January 7 with a 12-year-old white friend and his family.

"The white boy's mother... said that despite paying for a six-day holiday for two adults, her son and his friend, when she called ahead she was informed that the son's friend would not be allowed on the property," said ECPTA spokesperson Veliswa Mhlapo.

"The mother was reportedly told that only blacks who are workers at the site were allowed entry and the black child [could] not join the family for the holiday," she said.

Mhlapo said ECPTA chief executive Sybert Liebenberg had set up a team to investigate the resort.

A separate incident was reported at a resort near Port Elizabeth earlier in January.

"Currently, we do not have details on that case, but will know more next week," Mhlapo said.

A report on the incidents would be made public on January 25.

"Through this investigation will be able to determine if these are indeed tourism facilities that are registered with the ECPTA as tourism products, then we will use the legislation and our mandate to deal with them accordingly," she said.

Liebenberg said ECPTA would ensure that similar incidents could not happen again.

"We will not tolerate racism in any shape or form. We cannot tolerate this negative effect on the Eastern Cape tourism brand," he said.

  • Wikus - 2012-01-12 12:45

    Janee my volk... I hope the proprietor gets a klap of note...

  • Zuko - 2012-01-12 12:45

    That's RSA for you

      Flowingriver - 2012-01-12 14:04


      Flowingriver - 2012-01-12 14:27

      @bluntBlade .......we wud rather have all of that than be oppressed ever again....!I say neva and neva again will we be oppressed.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-01-12 14:50

      @Flowingriver. Ag don't be the same as these pathetic Lepel Le people. With your attitude one could swear you are the owner of a resort next door that says "only black" again. Surprise!!! You get oppressed again. Everyday of your live. Take of your sunglasses if you can see it.

  • Blade - 2012-01-12 12:46

    What happened to "Right of admission reserved"?

      Moss - 2012-01-12 13:09

      so all the racists will hide behind that!! you not even worthy of my reply

      Sean - 2012-01-12 13:18

      Hey Moss! Whose version of racism do you wish to apply? The same one that doesnt admit whites to the Fountains circle on New Years day?Or just yours?

      reinhard.pettenburger - 2012-01-12 13:31

      Blade you are a twat for that comment!!

      cosmos.ndebele - 2012-01-12 14:01

      Blade of a blant knife u ar a TROLL!!!

      Blade - 2012-01-12 14:04

      @Moss & reinhard whats your view on BEE, AA, and the many blacks only business organisations?

      GTR - 2012-01-12 14:14

      @cosmos you probably meant blunt!!!!!

      Joseph - 2012-01-12 15:09

      @ Blade - AGREE and I don't blame them

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-12 15:45

      @Blade, what black only organizations? If you referring to black lawyers ass. or black manager forum you do know that they accept white people right?

  • stevie0064 - 2012-01-12 12:47

    Depends which definition of "racism" they choose to entertain...

      martir02 - 2012-01-12 13:16

      Does it have a definition? Please do tell.....

      stevie0064 - 2012-01-12 14:10

      @martir02 Exactly. It does not. Or at least it is such a vague term that it can be reinterpreted to suit any argument, and so emotionally charged that it easily chases common sense out the window, i.e. it is particularly suited for use in propaganda. I neither condone nor condemn the resort for whatever it is they did or did not do (since I don't know the full story), but I tend to think twice of the validity of the story when 1. the first utterance includes the word "racism", 2. neither party has issued official statements, and 3. the only facts of the case are preceded by "reportedly".

  • Michelle - 2012-01-12 12:48

    WTF?? Why does colour matter?? It's what's inside that counts!!

      Yurak - 2012-01-12 14:06

      tell that to the government owned companies that only hires blacks

      stevie0064 - 2012-01-12 16:18

      @Michelle Colour matters because our Constitution says it does.

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-12 17:09

      Us whities aren't black enough for the government

  • Johan - 2012-01-12 12:49

    Hectic... not right. But then I'd also like to probe the follow for racism: Association for the Advancement of Black Accountants of Southern Africa (ABASA) Association of Black Securities and Investment Professionals (ABSIP) Black Business Executive Circle (BBEC) Black Conveyancers Association (BCA) Black Information Technology Forum (BITF) Black Lawyers Association (BLA) Black Management Forum (BMF) National Black Business Caucus (NBBC) South African Black Technical and Allied Careers Organisation (SABTACO) South African Institute of Black Property Practitioners (SAIBPP) South African Black Entrepreneurs Forum (SABEF) Double standards is a b1tch, aint't it.

      Johan - 2012-01-12 12:52

      Sorry, forgot to add: The Black Law Students' Forum Drakenstein Black Business Forum Forum for Black Journalists

      Dave - 2012-01-12 13:07

      Johan, these forums do allow white membership.

      Willie - 2012-01-12 13:07

      Whatever you smoking stop mixing it,rather drink mampoer you will feel much better and write sense

      Moss - 2012-01-12 13:11

      and Boeremag, and afriforum and western cape etc....

      Johan - 2012-01-12 13:13

      Moss. Does Boeremag still exist? Afriforum, anyone can join. And the Western Cape is a province you twatwaffle.

      Device - 2012-01-12 13:23

      @Johan I would also like to probe the groups that you mentioned for racism, unfortunately though I am black and thus cannot complete the task, perhaps you (assuming you are white) or someone that you know (who is white) could try and gain entry into these black forums and see what transpires. At the same time though I think that we should understand that this is an 11 year old boy, he is just a child, even if the folks at that resort have serious reservations about allowing blacks onto their property they could have wavered that policy for the sake of a child who was not even born when when democracy came in 1994. How on earth do you explain such behavior to a child of the born-free generation. I am more than twice his age and i have never ever been turned away because of the colour of my skin from any resort. when will we as adults in this country see that in our mission to spite one another we end up destroying future generations who know nothing about this racism BS that we struggle to get over.

      Johan - 2012-01-12 13:31

      "What had sparked the saga was an off-the-record briefing it had organised with President Jacob Zuma shortly after he won the much-contested presidency of the ANC. The meeting was open to black journalists only. White journalists who tried to attend the event were barred, sparking complaints with the commission. The commission found that the black journalists had acted unconstitutionally by excluding their white counterparts. It also recommended that the FBJ amend its constitution to open membership to all race groups." Seems the FBJ had their constitution for barring whites, so the privately owned resort is surely allowed to have their own rules?

      Mlungisi.Chamane - 2012-01-12 13:40

      No man... I also thot that way too... that one is the upliftment for the one that did not get these opportunities in the past including(Africans, Indians, coloured even Chinese in RSA). trully speaking White were excluded just for that fact you know, not for the color. Government is trying to equalize this...FYI some organisations like BITF they do not exclude white.

      spookhuis - 2012-01-12 13:50

      Ja Device, please do tell us about BEE, just so that those born after 1990 may fully understand. They are still children after all. PS JU JU is still considered a youth at 30+.

      Elmarie - 2012-01-12 13:52

      Please also do not forget all the black bursaries and scholarships that are not available to whites or any other colour for that matter. Is this not racism?

      Myvision - 2012-01-12 14:42

      Some things never change

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-01-12 14:58

      Johan I suggest you apply to some of those and if they refuse they have to give you a reason. Rather say a lot of whites should do this. If now proper reason you are allowed to reveal your problem. As I am not standing for what happened neither does it make sense to allow it because of certain colours. When a scale balance it means both weights is the same weight.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-01-12 15:19

      @Mlungisi. Nope can't be the reason. Than it means there get discriminated against black businessman that belongs to an open one and not also to a black-only one. Believe me there are many. The poor Afrikaners got one change. They start getting labor jobs on the railway and later could become a train driver. They got permission to form the Voetplat Union and later they rule the country.(against England's will and at cost of other color groups - True) Everything in our society is aimed in uplifting the previously disadvantage groups. Even the toilet roll you wipe through your....;) Mostly aimed at African blacks. There are some that really progress fast and being very successful, but you can ask them why. Hard work.(Not talking of tenderentrepeneurs) Except for them, why are our success % so bad? I think we must also start looking at different reasons than color. There must be more things wrong.

      Jacque - 2012-01-12 16:20

      Good point Johan, its always one sided in this country, its fine to have All black companies or in the case of our soccer Team, but moment anything tends to have too many whites its an issue... nobody has even heard the other side of the story, just the clients story, yet already judging...

      Jacque - 2012-01-12 16:22

      and Moss, Western Cape has majority coloreds ...

      Faith - 2012-01-12 16:25

      Johan such organizations are meant to facilitate the distribution to previously disadvantaged people because the previous system didn't do so... Get your head out of the gutter!

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-12 17:12

      @Johan Britz you can only make and follow your own rules in South Africa , if your black. (Its part of the entitlement) Damn the man, save the rainbow nation.

  • Ndivhuho - 2012-01-12 12:49

    Not suprised at all!!

  • Nick - 2012-01-12 13:00

    Close them down ..... that will send a clear message to any resort that practices racism !!!!!!!!

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-12 17:13

      And what about government racial policies , same side of the same coin but with different rules. Damn the man.

  • TheSlip - 2012-01-12 13:11

    That was a really really stupid move.

  • kerrimg - 2012-01-12 13:11

    that is disgusting they should be closed

  • K0BUSL - 2012-01-12 13:12

    Name and shame them, what would they say to my son going on holiday with me!!!!!!!

      Craig - 2012-01-12 13:24

      Perhaps give it another read, the part where they say "The 11-year-old boy was to have gone to the Lapel Lê resort in Cintsa on January 7"

      makesuthink - 2012-01-12 13:59

      Craig the article was not in pictures so KOBUSL did not understand

      Dewald - 2012-01-13 11:04

      They named them and that made me happy - sounds like the place for my next vacation.

  • Sean - 2012-01-12 13:17

    I dont see the problem

      GTR - 2012-01-12 14:17

      Me neither Sean!

      Perfume - 2012-01-12 14:35

      ROTFLMAO @South Africa belongs to the BLACKS, it never did and never has - do you have documents to back up this statement you made, because as far as I know the land was STOLEN from the Khoisans - and regarding whoever is not BLACK to leave the country within 12hrs I guess you speaking of yourself as well, we leave then you would have to leave as well, and return South Africa back to the Khoi people. The Khoi people were here before anyone else, please brush up on your history. Amazing how angry you are at anything that is not BLACK, yet you comfortable using technology that was never invented by a black man - double standards!!!!!!!

      Mlungisi.Chamane - 2012-01-12 15:08

      It the blindness that causes ppl not to see... so that makes you one.

  • henniet2 - 2012-01-12 13:34

    It is sad, I have a Black adopted son, it was by choice, and once you have him on your side, you realize how people react, he is raised in a Afrikaans household, in a school that give him absolute the best education, but we had to change church, most of our friends disappeared, he is 7 years old, and all he want is love, he is just a child, that plays cricket, eat ice cream, laugh, cry, cuddle up on my lap, hug me, and from his heart "Love you Daddy" then you know deep in your heart, he is just a child. People like that in this resort, do you realize the hurt and damage that you do to a child, a human being, a gift from God?

      Rentia - 2012-01-12 13:42

      I Agree, no adult has the right to hurt / break a child's heart, no matter what the race!

      Thando - 2012-01-12 13:55

      i wish we all south africans can stop this thing of black/white. To you Hennie you are a real christian not these satanists that are discriminating each other and call themselves christians, you so called christians start acting like real christians!

      Mlungisi.Chamane - 2012-01-12 13:58

      I am seriously comfused by these ppl with the thumbs down on your comment henniet2

      Juan - 2012-01-12 14:05

      I have a coloured wife. I would love to take my family to that resort. They will see a sh*t storm like they heve never seen before if they refuse her entry

      HRHWillyB - 2012-01-12 14:06

      what is even sadder is that more than 40 people "thumbs downed" your post. You merely voiced your love for your son who has a skin colour different to you... *100 thumbs up* to you Henniet2.

      Stephen - 2012-01-12 14:07

      Agree - a Child desrves protection, as a Sunday School teacher, i love all kids.

      GTR - 2012-01-12 14:13

      Good on you Henniet2. But i know people who tried adopting a white child and they were declined because they have to adopt a black child first. What do you call that?

      sadiemy - 2012-01-12 14:18

      I too have a black adopted son of 8 years. He is an absolute delight to us. We live about five kms from this resort and I am tempted to go there with my child and see what they say. Funny thing, white people used to come up to me when he was a tiny baby and ask if we were going to tell him he was adopted (No, we are hoping he won't notice.....)or if he spoke Xhosa (Only Portuguese and Russian at the moment but we are working on it, haha).

      sachasea - 2012-01-12 15:22

      I'm so gatvol of all this race crap. Can't we all just get along and embrace each other as fellow South Africans regardless of our differences? The people of other countries manage to co-exist in relative harmony and peace so there is no excuse for us not to be able to adapt and change for the better. Jeez discrimination is so small-minded and pathetic. If people continue like this we will never truly attain a free and fair democracy and society for all who live within our borders! One love. Peace and Respect.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-01-12 15:27

      @henniet2. Nothing wrong with that. Completely natural to me. Children is pure. It is adults that grown up to become the problem and that counts for all colors.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-12 15:47

      @GTR, you one sad person.

      Cuteandbronzed - 2012-05-22 19:32

      Its Afrikaaners like you that just make feel like loving the rest :)

  • Wayne - 2012-01-12 13:41

    Its shocking that any orginisation of location has that type of mentality for any race. I wonder if the Eastern Cape as a province is also going to be labeled racist now like the Western Cape

  • Rose - 2012-01-12 13:43

    There are campsites for nudists only, there are clubs for blacks only, there are churches for Muslims only, there are pubs for men only!!!! Why is this such a big deal? Because of our history? What about hour history on violence to woman? We are all entitled to do whatever we like in our private capacity. Just don't go there, it's simple. This woman is an idiot! I research every place properly before going. Something like that would pop up. They have every right as a privately owned place to have a right of admission. It really is that simple.

      Mlungisi.Chamane - 2012-01-12 14:01

      yoh... yoh... yoh... 2012, we still have such thinkers....God bless RSA...

      GTR - 2012-01-12 14:11

      thank you toally agree with you Rose

      Kesaleteng - 2012-01-12 14:19

      "This woman is an idiot! I research every place properly before going." @Rose please do a some research and send me a link about the resort that say black people are not allowed there. You are stupid...

      Mlungisi.Chamane - 2012-01-12 15:01

      subjected to be corrected... from my club experience I neva bin to a club that says black only, however you will find a club where you will c only blacks, so to the Churches. In most cases it is not the club or the church that descriminates ppl but ppl isolate themselves... dat a bottom line... Let be practical now.. Go to so-called Black church and c whether will you be chased. if they chase you because of colour then u you will have a case. or may be they will chase you just because u taking fotos during the sermon

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-01-12 15:36

      @Rose. Ok I think there is something wrong with me. I always only checking the price. What I get for it. What is there to do. The location(no, not where the other colors stay-where it Maybe next time I need to check who's children goes with me.(mend there color)and than do my research. That's stupid. ....and I am a pure white Afrikaner, boer, whitey, rock spider, etc.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-12 16:04

      @Rose...*sigh*... I have no words for morons like you.

      Mlungisi.Chamane - 2012-01-12 16:16

      @Rose, I dont know where u got that searching cretiria of your... seconding DuToitCoetzee. for me I check the price, how to get there, type of entertainment avaliable, the weather and something of that sort... OMG I suggest you find a psychiatrist who will format your brain before it too late before it can be transfered to the young ones of your blood.

      Anele - 2012-01-12 16:54

      @rose I dont think you are a real South African and by the way I can see on the pic that you are white moron who deserves to be taken to the Zoo!!

      Philisiwe Msomi - 2012-01-13 10:45

      i do not know any place of blacks/whites i do kno plces whe u find only black/white ppl. And NO madam they do no have such a right...just like my child has a right to go to any private school as long as i can afford the that simple enough for you??because of people like you we have a long way to go as a nation.

  • Kesaleteng - 2012-01-12 13:43

    why do they have the same race they don't want on their property as employees?

  • blaqmonk - 2012-01-12 13:47

    we should really stop trying to act as victims, if you report any act of racism, black on white, white on black etc it will be dealt with and be given coverage if the media institutions of our country pict the story up and deem it "worthy to be published",so much as many want to discredit our democracy it does not favour a certain group, we are all equal before our constitution. What the resort did was wrong and should be shunned upon, not tried to be justified with a listing of other associations that exclude people on the basis of their skin colour. One day you will all learn to be human first, african second and never black or white, we are all a people and should unite for the benefit of generations to come.

  • Tony - 2012-01-12 13:52

    Well, it's unfair to the family concerned as the reservation staff should have made their terms and conditions pertinent to the prospective guests but unfortunately racism starts with our president and our government. I was always in favour of a fair and race free society but I am afraid this is not practiced in the new South Africa. Pity I am a previously disadvantaged white male.

  • Colin - 2012-01-12 13:52

    Strange how some people condone racism when it suits them - racism is wrong in all its forms and should not be defended of justified.

  • Moss - 2012-01-12 14:08

    That Resort must be take away from those racist without any compensation.....finish and klaar....

  • Jaybee - 2012-01-12 14:09

    @ Johan you can add black Label this racism is going to far now even on drinks

      Johan - 2012-01-12 14:13


  • Pete - 2012-01-12 14:13

    racism only seems to be regarded as true racism when it offends blacks. When whites and other groups are marginalised, it is given other, more palatable names, like empowerment, restitution, and the like. Why is it OK for (old) countries like the USSR, Czechoslovakia, Sudan, Yugoslavia etc. to seperate out into their different ethnic groups, whilst when this was tried in South Africa, it is racist? We all know the horrors of apartheid and abhor them, but there were horrors in the other countries mentioned above too. it seems that ETHNIC differences become a problem, and deemed RACIST, when there are blacks and non-blacks involved. Double standards seem to exist in the world, when different ethnic groups crave self-determination. Frankly, the concept of a "rainbow nation", whilst it is commendable and seems great, is doomed to failure. People will always remain in their "tribes", be they black, coloured, indian, hispanic, chinese or white.

  • Perfume - 2012-01-12 14:24

    Old news, I read this article a few weeks ago.

      Dewald - 2012-01-13 11:09

      Naspers will keep on repeating it and blowing it out of proportion (like they did with the Reitz thing) until jesus comes. They have to offset the real statistics (with a lot of noise) by reporting ad nausea about any white wrongdoing they can find - just to proof that all South Africans are equal.

  • Gcwabe-KaMavovo - 2012-01-12 14:32

    Ja ne. Some of the comments here are more shocking than the article itself. Let's move on people of Mzansi.

      Albert - 2012-01-12 14:37

      What a fu-ked up nation we are.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-12 16:08

      It's easy for dumb uneducated people to pass mischievous comments on an Internet news forum.. They the same people who find fault with everything, and I mean everything.. useless people.

  • ludlowdj - 2012-01-12 14:50

    @FLOWING RIVER You are still a slave little boy, one day when you get a proper education you may wake up and realize that the only thing that has changed in this country is the colour or the man holding the whip. The ANC is the new master and the black masses are still little more than slaves to it. For all the protestations to the contrary RACISM is here to stay, it has never been tamed in any other country in the world and it most certainly will never be tamed in Africa. The reason is simple, racial tension is as a direct result of cultural defense with all races guarding their own heritage, belief system and values above all others. Look around you.....the only large volume of racial integration you find is in the affluent who have political motives and in the lower classes. The true battle is not racism as everyone would have us believe but hate which fuels racial taunts. its not being black or white that causes problems its the way we treat each other. As for this so called "Resort", if it is private property then not only is there no legal way for anyone to take action against them, but they are also entitled to reserve admission in term of their own beliefs and values

      richard.hipkin - 2012-01-12 16:09

      @ludlowdj, racism is a crime whether its on private property or not - looks like if anyone needs an education it's you.

  • Deon - 2012-01-12 14:54

    Adabt or die or move to Orania.

      ludlowdj - 2012-01-12 15:01

      Or just stay where you are now and get on with life. Race has nothing to do with anything and how we treat each other has everything to do with it. Anyone who isn't a slave to the elite and who has spent any time studying history knows racial tension has nothing to do with anything other than the elites need to maintain control and keep the lower classes under control.

  • Mona - 2012-01-12 15:11

    OMG! Such blatant racisim in this day and age im shocked!

  • abigail.fourie - 2012-01-12 15:12

    Racism is still alive and kicking... Why do people still want to sugar coat it and throw stones back? It's wrong no matter who's guilty of it...

  • Moi - 2012-01-12 15:52

    At the very least, I think the proprietors are due a hefty fine.

  • Faith - 2012-01-12 16:23

    Racists shud be treated more harshly coz they generate dismal hate in the world, infact for anyone who is a racist here just know you don't have love with in your heart THAT'S IT!

  • Piet - 2012-01-12 17:40

    Jip racism is rive. I tried to join the Black Management Forum and they told me to piss-off.

  • Pixie86 - 2012-01-12 18:42

    i feel news24 deliberately looks for stories that will incite racial tension! This story was in the daily dispatch ages ago. Why even put it here when you know it's going to feed the already racism infested news24 community? Come now! Move on

  • Andile Mpungose - 2012-01-12 19:02

    It is a shame what is happening in South Africa, the investigation mustn't take that long hence this is sensitive case. The owner of the resort should be delt with serverely.

      Dewald - 2012-01-13 11:09

      Yes, and please apply the same rules to your government!

  • Mesulie Vince' Ntombela - 2012-01-12 23:37

    I've been the comments...To da majority of white who commented (not all of you), you guys are still racist as hell judging from your comments. God bless South Africa!!

      Dewald - 2012-01-13 13:43

      Racists because of our survival instinct. When the crime statistics (yes, and we do include political figures!) change, we will gladly change. Until then we trust the statistics (we thought up that crafty little ploy in order to survive, you know....)

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