Education in crisis - foundation

2012-08-03 07:39

Johannesburg - Education in South Africa is in serious trouble, the FW de Klerk Foundation said on Thursday.

"Poor education lies at the root of most of South Africa's problems, including unemployment, poverty and inequality," it said in a statement.

"Without a dramatic improvement in education, the crevasses in South African society will continue to deepen. Education is a debt that the present generation owes to future generations."

Education was universally accepted as a catalyst for economic and human growth and was a fundamental human right that affected democracy and political stability.

The recent Limpopo textbook scandal was simply a symptom of a much wider malaise. The education crisis was also not the result of a lack of resources, the foundation said.

In 2011 South Africa's expenditure on education was 6% of gross domestic product. In the 2012/13 financial year, education would account for almost R207bn, it said.

South Africa's education system was ranked 133rd out of 142 countries in the world by the World Economic Forum, the foundation said.

The system was failing to achieve basic standards of numeracy and literacy in grades three and six.

One of the main factors determining success or failure was the quality of teachers and principals, the foundation said.

"Perhaps the most damning statistic presented by the National Planning Commission is that teachers in black schools teach an average of only 3.5 hours a day, compared with 6.5 hours a day in former white schools."

  • bob.small.7547 - 2012-08-03 07:47

    Apartheids fault! Or lets see what other pathetic excuse the ANC can drum up for the current education crisis, Besides complete denial by the ANC that there is a major problem of course!

      amanda.victor.92 - 2012-08-03 08:22

      The ANC know exactly what they're doing. They need a dumb voter to keep stealing the money.

      mikenortje - 2012-08-03 09:19

      ...... and in breaking news from Algoa FM News - "The ANC has won eight of the 13 by-elections that took place in eight of the nine provinces this week." - so people must think this is OK - you get the ANC Government you vote for!!!

      mikenortje - 2012-08-03 09:33

      ?'There are 26000 shebeens in South Africa," mused a friend the other day, "and every week a major breweries company successfully delivers crates of liquor to every one of them. - He continues: There are also 26000 schools in this country, and yet we cannot deliver textbooks to all of them. We do not have a skills crisis." - Prof Jansen

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-08-03 09:54

      What concerns me even more is that there seems to be a perpetuation of apartheid in private schools. But now its those who can afford a decent education VS those who cannot. And I'm assuming that most of the people on here have kids either in private or model C. What are these private schools doing about providing bursaries and assistance to talented but disadvantaged students? When I choose a school for my kids it is the first thing I ask them about. Too many are just in it to make money. Ask your school what they are doing to bring about change. The cost of teaching these kids can be covered easily. All that would be needed is a bursary for transport, uniform and stationery. Speak to your PA members and insist that they be proactive. It will benefit us all in the end.

      jo.barton.92 - 2012-08-03 09:54

      Recently it was revealed that R5billion is missing, now imagine what you could have done for education with that money.They don't have education as a priority. Instead have a lavish lifestyle is more important to the select few.Why can't the educated Blacks that have access to this news not educate their fellow friends and family who don't.They fought the apartheid system for a better life and it seems that their fight hasn't really ended.

      claudia.meads - 2012-08-03 10:03

      What do you expect from a government that should not have been there in the first place. The ANC is an illegal government. The entire "hand-over" during the 1994 period was based on lies and deceit and was fundamentally illegal - viz you do not simply hand-over a country to someone else. While the matter requires a script well beyond the scope here - note the following: - The 1992 Referendum was supposed to be one of a number of Referendums (at least two). It never happened. - There was never supposed to be a one-party "democracy". The '92 Referendum was a vote on a 'unity'-government. Iow a power-sharing deal - i.e. the ANC was NEVER supposed to be in charge alone. - There was supposed to be a range of checks-and-balances to prevent the ANC from ever simply seizing power - to prevent exactly what is happening to South Africa at the moment (ie the destruction of the country by grossly corrupt and inept). Evidently it never happened. - F W de Klerk (and others) lied to the SADF generals (among others) about a supposed "deal" with the Cubans in Angola in the late 1980's. The SADF forces withdrew and the Cubans (conveniently) attacked from behind. This 'perfect coincident' remains unexplained by the very man who name the 'Foundation' here carries. A foundation who bemoans the very monster they have created themselves. It is time for the "South African Case" to be taken to the international court in De Hague and for the illegal ANC government to be disbanded immediately

      derick.coetzee.56 - 2012-08-03 10:55

      The markets are looking good, our boytjies are talking gold, and its friday...kom ons duik!!!

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-08-03 11:30

      Believe me, Bob Small, a lot can be laid at the NP's door. I helped the lady who worked for me bring up her children, as she helped me bring up mine. I was horrified at the badly xeroxed bits of paper they brought home in lieu of text books. I was the one who taught them to read, to swim, and tried to get them into local schools etc. Impossible because of their colour - the NP government - and because their so-called education was disgusting and certainly NOT up to the standard of white schools. In other words, they could never have caught up and therefore could not fit in.

  • ianon.ym - 2012-08-03 07:49

    Can someone please tell these morons that 142 is not the target to be reached even tough they only have 9 more positions to go. Eissh

  • tebo.go.5 - 2012-08-03 07:53

    sadly a reality we live in, whats sad is that the people in charge have their kids and grand children in pvt schools thus not affected by the poor standards. Its sad to think that sooo many people died for freedom only to get such in the future they so much fought for

      steve.ritchie.739 - 2012-08-03 08:17

      Very true Tebo. It was suggested on the radio this morning that there should be a law passed that all government minister's children should attend public schools and use state hospitals. Perhaps then we would see a serious shake-up in these sectors.

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-08-03 09:56

      The first thing they need to do is declare education an essential service so that they can break the hold that SADTU has. I have seen photographs of teachers lying out in the sun during school hours!

  • MSGRule - 2012-08-03 08:02

    These poor children when they leave school will be frustrated at what they have achieved. The concept or righting the wrongs of the past and the ideas that has been bred the last 20 years of entitlement and wanting and promises of receiving. It will cause so much frustration as these poor children will never be able to move ahead in life. And there is going to be backlash of frustrated uneducated unemployable youth. So sad, that the country is being driven into the ground.

  • fanie.viljoen.73 - 2012-08-03 08:02

    And what did they expect with uneducated ministers? If you have uninformed, uneducated and unwilling to learn type people in power who is not willing to take advice from people who knows better.

  • themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-03 08:04

    \Education was universally accepted as a catalyst for economic and human growth and was a fundamental human right that affected democracy and political stability.\ As a former apartheid Minister of education FW, when did you awake this realisation? My father grew up on a farm where the local school, run by a farmer, went only as far as Grade 8 (Standard 6). Children were then expected to join their parents as farmworkers after Grade 8 because there were no schools beyond that Grade. When I was in Grade 9 in the township, he also told me to go and get a job. Needless to say I persevered, funded my way through high school and eventually went to varsity and graduated. Now I am a productive member of the society and am creating the same opportunities for my kids. Hundreds of thousands other familied faced the same predicament my father and his family did. How many of them rose above them? My point is, don't come here pretending this education mess started after April 1994. The ANC is merely carrying on where you left off in order to remain in power, once again at the expense of the present and future generations. Therefore, just like the NP was voted out of power, the ANC's clock is also ticking ...

      roslyndavidrose - 2012-08-03 08:20

      Once again, in true SA fashion, this becomes a racial issue! Newsflash for you: my parents also did not go beyond the level that your parents did. At that time it was not deemed necessary and school-leavers learned a trade from their fathers, so don't turn this back to Apartheid. A generation has passed and the next one has already begun. What will we do NOW (or after the old regime can no longer be blamed?)

      luan.evert - 2012-08-03 08:22

      themba.thwala.98 This country needs more people like you, stating facts while retaining the emotion that drives, calm and collected thinkers who see things for what they are. Well done

      elizabethann.auld - 2012-08-03 08:29

      I fully agree and take my hat off to you for your determination and success in educating yourself. It is seldom that I read a truly intelligent comment on this forum. The whole education system needs a shake up. It will be a lengthy and expensive exercise, but will probably not happen in my lifetime. I have even worked out how with fairlt specific details, but have no idea who to contact! maybe I should start with Helen Zille? Good luck to your family in the future.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-03 08:30

      Rosylyn, while your father had an opportunity to learn a trade, mine was forced to go work in the fields or tend cattle, or his entire family ran the risk of being evicted. Stick your head in the sand all you like boet - that`s typical. What do we do NOW? I said the ANC's clock is ticking. In simple english, the ANC must be voted out. Is that clear or do you need me to simplify it even more?

      adrien.mcguire - 2012-08-03 08:34

      @ themba My first reaction to your post was anger at the continual reference to the past, and the system that got us into the situation here in the first place. 99% of the population know that the system was evil and are glad to see it go. I congratulate you for persevering and becoming a productive member of society. However, your comment regarding the ANC's clock ticking and soon they will be voted out of power, is a coment that struck a chord with me. Can this dream be achieved before the country is in ruins and not beyond redemption. The road to ruin is getting slippery and I am not sure that we will not just continue in the fast lane. The biggest problem in this country is the near 70% majority that the ANC enjoys. This ensures that there are no political checks and balances like most other democracies. They can continue to legislate them selves into power. I do not think that the brave people of this country, who gave their lives for a proper democracy would be happy with what has transpired since 1994, and the way the ANC are managing the what they were voted to do !

      rmbutton - 2012-08-03 08:40

      Themba, at least the farmer went to the effort to make a school which at least only went to grade 8, well done on your achievement for continuing your education but it seems to me you are trying to make the farmer out to be the bad guy, he forced your family to work, he only gave you grade 8. If only we could get the current children to grade 8 that would be a huge step up. I would say you are a rare breed in SA, you worked your way up and made a better life for yourself, my experience is that the youth of today expect everything to be given to them, and if its not, then they dont bother trying to do anything for themselves. This government is rotten to the core and you are right its only once the ANC are gone can we hope to pick up the pieces.

      theo.greeff.5 - 2012-08-03 08:43

      Firstly Themba, I find your attitude commendable. I wish that more South Africans, especially those from disadvantaged communities, would adopt a similar view. A simple question really: While the idiocy of the past can't be ignored, is there really any excuse for continuing and enhancing the misery that is education for the poor?

      jake.neumann.35 - 2012-08-03 08:44

      Themba, you are one of many that showed the perseverance to better your life. A black friend of mine rose well above all to become a very successful doctor. So the question is; with you and the person I mentioned as example (and there are many, many more), can we come to the conclusion that those who remained in the dumps, and that includes all race groups, were just too damn lazy to do something for themselves? Is this culture of "I demand" not busy to kill this beautiful country and the future of millions of people? I hate the racist policies of AA and BEE and it had almost destroyed me financially, but I refused to let a bunch people who really only qualify to be cleaners or part-time worker get the better of me.

      daleen.duplessis.50 - 2012-08-03 08:46

      Congratulations on your success. Pre-1994 is a good excuse for the problems of South Africa today – if you want to use it but frankly South Africans and the youth are sick of excuses. They want solutions that the ANC cannot provide. The ANC is a revolution party in which they were good – not good in running a country.

      sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-08-03 08:51

      I can use the dirty toilet example again... The ANC have had ample opportunity to fix whatever was wrong in the education department. Their approach is to lower the standards, not elevate the children and motivate them to study. We have lost a whole generation of educated employees as a result. Way to go ANC! Proves that everything you touch turns to pot.

      tsmuavha - 2012-08-03 08:51

      @ Themba you raise a very important point our education system more specially with regard to a black child has been far below standard since colony until now in a so called democratic era..But we owe it to the next generation to adopt education policies that will not seek to create passive recipients of the system, but active critical thinkers..let it not be a blame game,let us learn from our past to build the future..It is obvious that ANC has failed to liberate the majority of South Africa because true liberation start with the emancipation of the mind and that can only be achieved through education..if the status quo is to be continued our country will remain a jungle!

      mikenortje - 2012-08-03 09:28

      ...... and in breaking news from Algoa FM News - "The ANC has won eight of the 13 by-elections that took place in eight of the nine provinces this week." - so people must think this is OK - you get the ANC Government you vote for!!! .... So Mr Themba the clock does not seem to be ticking for them at all if you ask me.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-03 09:53

      Adrien, I can only hope so. There's a lot of discontent among the ANC electorate as the weekly service protest keep showing. The challenge though, is lack education on the part of the majority that votes for them. The ANC very easily lies to our people during elections. A majority of them are unemployed and for e.g, depend on social grants [and recipients such as grannies, oupas etc]. The lie that they will be told is that if they do not vote for the ANC, their grants will be stopped. So ALL of us have a duty to educate them. The opposition parties also have a huge responsibility to conduct political education especially among such people. Button, perhaps the farmer had good intentions, or he just wanted semi-literate cheap labour. I don't know really. What I know is that the vast majority of illiterate and semi-literate have perpetuated the patterns of lack of education, and those are ANC voters Adrien referred to. Theo, the ANC seems to be deliberately miseducating the people for votes. Honestly, when Zuma saw how the ANC`s support was at the risk of being lost, he said “the ancestors will turn their backs on those who do not vote for the ANC”? Another lie is that other parties will reinstitute apartheid. He knows the masses are simple people and would believe him, and they did, and voted the ANC yet again! Jack Neuman, I agree. I have 4 brothers who happily dropped out of high school and took my father's advice. Needless to say they have become my dependants. Daleen, yes, the ANC did wonders as a liberation movement. But govern they have failed. They have proven over and over again that they cannot. TS the sad thing is that the very ANC that fought against bantu education is messing the education of our children big time. They are worse that the apartheid government when it comes to education. Teaching is an essential service, but the ANC`s determination to stay in power means teachers must be their members and allowed to strike, using our children`s future as their bargaining chip. I say let us vote against the ANC and put SA`s best interests first. It should not matter who`s in power as long as they put SA first

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-08-03 10:08

      Don't anyone get too smug about the DA and their education track record in WC - I can give you the name of one school in Delft in cape town where no child has EVER seen a textbook. Yet when the principal found we were moving his star maths pupil to Blouberg Ridge where he will have a book for each subject he came to his house and told him he will get cold on the bus going all the way to Tableview... This child is in Grade 7 and he saw a textbook for the first time this year! Plus he was pleasantly surprised to see that the teachers taught for more than four hours... Sweep your own backyard first, that's what I say! Now they come with this 'challenge' ha ha

      adrien.mcguire - 2012-08-03 10:11

      I appreciate your erudite debate. This country needs so much more of it, instead of the continual backward looking, petty name calling, racist (from both sides !)and ideollogically failed rantings of bigots ! Whilst we cannot discount the past, if we don't look forward we are going to go nowhere.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-08-03 10:33

      Mike considering that the ANC used to make a clean sweep, I would say the 5 that went the other way is good. Maylani I also heard on Radio 702 that blind kids in CT have not received their braille textbooks for two years now.

      patsy.smith.125 - 2012-08-03 11:11

      You're correct themba.twala.98. I saw the poorly xeroxed bits of paper kids had as text books when the Nats were in power. They didn't want black people to be educated properly. The lady who worked for me had two sons and I taught them how to read in their holidays. I tried to get them into local schools but it wasn't possible because they would have been totally out of their depth - apart from the fact that they were also the wrong colour. It was a disgrace. It was cruel, and it has been the cause of many of our problems today. A dece3nt education is ESSENTIAL

      billyboy6 - 2012-08-03 12:09

      My grandfather, white, also left school at std 6 and went into a trade which paid a pittance. Just as all his siblings did and most others in that day and age. Future generations had it better just as it should be for all in South Africa today. Just putting aside a big budget without good leadership and a plan just isn't going to cut it. On this on they should refer to Robert Mugabe. Thats the one thing he did get right before everything unravelled. You can't change the past but you can the future

  • Asdiedamwalbars - 2012-08-03 08:13

    We all know who is to blame..while thEy claim to be competent.. Maybe competent in the area of abuse of taxpayers money..while our children for the future receive the short end of the stick to the cost of them. The minister and her subordinates don't do the job they was employed for, properly. Don't they have any shame...Why must the children, Who attend school to be educated, suffer to get the books they deserve and must have?. Shameless..shameless..shameless!!.

  • kingkongVB - 2012-08-03 08:13

    You have to keep the population un-educated so they vote for you and so you can fill your pockets. That is why every single UN-educated person thinks the rout to being successful and (rich) is to become a politician. Why are the South African politicians being paid so much anyway? Compare it to other first world countries and you will see.

  • robin.stobbs.9 - 2012-08-03 08:14

    Right - and those responsible must be nailed to the mast! I was going to write "and those in charge" - ha ha! They haven't been 'in charge' for ages. Sack the lot and try to begin again. No amount of cash or apologies can ever bring back the lost time to those children - or the country.

  • KarinVanGraanPieterse - 2012-08-03 08:23

    The cancers in some SA schools are: the book distributers (Edu-solutions - which politicians benefit from them??), the unions (SADTU) and sheer incompetence.

  • Spiral - 2012-08-03 08:24

    I wonder how this will be diverted to being "someone elses" fault. I still say the ANC are keeping their followers as uneducated as possible to ensure future gullibility i.e. votes

  • KCorsar - 2012-08-03 08:28

    So what will comments like this bring on, another waste of tax payers money with rafts of 'presidential enquiries' which Government uses to impress the masses - as it shows that they are 'doing something about it' - problem we NEVER hear what was uncovered in these 'enquiries' - why because generally they are ineffective and a cover up; also merely another of lining some cadres pockets (spreading the 'love' a little!!)

  • gerasimos.komnenus - 2012-08-03 08:29

    Reading between the lines its safe to say its a case of the blind leading the blind. If you have no education you can never respect education. It is safer for our ANC "comrades" to dumb down the nation so they can never be shown up for the imbecilic ignorant cretins that they really are. MEC = Moronic Education Cadres

  • victor.windsor - 2012-08-03 08:34

    The whole government is a crisis !!!!!

  • larabiance - 2012-08-03 08:37

    Eish! Verwoed's fault!

      hotazhel - 2012-08-03 08:56

      Verwoerd had his chance.... give Jan van Riebeek some airtime; and I quote: "What they are good at and very good at, is controlling their people and staying in power, at any cost. Any cost! They do this by keeping the people uneducated, uninformed, unarmed and living in fear."

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-08-03 08:56

      Next it might be Van Riebeecks fault, ha ha.

  • - 2012-08-03 08:39

    This is absolutely the WORST crisis this country faces - not corruption, silly paintings or who gets what jet.... Absolutely everything flows from a good education and it is thoroughly shameful that the country does not see it as being the single most important aspect that will get in the way of any type of prosperity or growth in South Africa and has been appallingly neglected for too many years. A major shakeup in the department is way overdue and this is what the public should be focussing on and marching for!

  • robert.starke.98 - 2012-08-03 08:41

    Quick - the Minister of Education and 126 supporting delegates need another trip overseas to work out the education problem, 5 star hotels etc. Oh dont forget they need new Mercs to get to the shops, plus new credit cards because the ones they have are full. The current education crisis is not their fault. Why we have played our internet games, and won there !!

  • ignatiousmarekollemahlokwane - 2012-08-03 08:42

    Oh brothers and sister forget less of Verwoord leadership when he said what is the use of African child to learn science, maths

  • nicolas.gombert.16 - 2012-08-03 08:43

    I listened to Enver Surty speaking on the news last night. That is a typical political excuse for incompetence. Are these politicians there for the work and responsibility or just for the pay? Delivering schoolbooks is a simple operation and requires a basic system, to exaggerate the perceived complexities illustrates their stupidity and lack of understanding. Mr Surty, to which school does your children go?

  • frans.vanderpoll - 2012-08-03 08:47

    Not with a competent person like Angie at the helm! There must be a mistake, education can't be in a crisis. ;) ROFL!

  • charmaine.mcdonald2 - 2012-08-03 08:56

    Let the present Government sort it out, almost 19 years in power and they have achieved zero, "I know what I am Doing", said President Jacob Zuma, so let him do the job that he is getting paid for.

  • andile.a.mchunu - 2012-08-03 09:42

    I repeat:This is the price that we pay for our freedom harming the future of our kidz whats next Government?

  • JournoSergio - 2012-08-03 10:13

    The ANC have had 18 years to make a difference. Has anything changed?

  • darryl.maze1 - 2012-08-03 10:23

    Why are my comments being removed??? Is it because I am saying that they dont want the youth to have a higher education than the president and the ministers? Or is it because I spoke the truth and said education in SA is a BIG F#$k up!!!!

  • thenga.pfananani - 2012-08-03 10:49

    This the truth and it has nothing to do with apartheird, the ANC is failing the nation and its not ALUTA!

  • thenga.pfananani - 2012-08-03 10:49

    This the truth and it has nothing to do with apartheird, the ANC is failing the nation and its not ALUTA!

  • patsy.smith.125 - 2012-08-03 11:00

    The problem as I see it is that too much money is salted away, too much goes into certain back pockets, and far too much is wasted on trying to prove that these people are superior to the rest of us. I've got news for you and that is that no amount of money makes one superior to anyone. If your jobs were done properly - then you could pat yourselves on the back. Too many excuses made for poor performance, stupidity and sheer laziness. Why don't you all EARN your salaries for a change?

  • deon.louw.73 - 2012-08-03 11:42

    No different to the crisis in justice, safety, health, infrastructure and everything the cANCer lays its grubby hands on!!

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