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Emotions high over Pretoria name debate

2012-10-08 10:13

Johannesburg - Emotions ran high over the weekend when scores of people attended public meetings about Pretoria's proposed name change, Beeld reported.

In the Pretoria city hall, groups of people gathered in separate race groups, and shortly before the meeting started, men dressed in khaki sang Die Stem, the apartheid-era anthem, the sound of which was drowned out by singing, dancing ANC supporters.

According to the rules of the debate, everyone was supposed to be given a fair chance to be heard without being heckled.

Some argued that a name change would deepen racial divisions, and that it was an attempt to eradicate their heritage, and said that the government should rather focus on upliftment. Others said the current city name reminded them of apartheid.

Singer Steve Hofmeyr said the name change issue was an irreconcilable debate.

"For one group it's about transformation, and for the other group it's about history. Maybe there's a group in the middle that we should listen to. The next generation (like students) that should take this decision has been absent."

Residents have until November 6 to vote, and voting forms are available at the speaker's office.

Comments
  • wize.man.31 - 2012-10-08 10:18

    Lets rather vote if the death penalty must come back!

      Jako - 2012-10-08 10:54

      preach brother!!!

      willem.vanrensburg.562 - 2012-10-08 11:07

      I honestly think that the dumba$$ government is doing this just to p!$$ the whites off..!! What other logical reason could there be in changing names which have been there for such a long time. How do they decide what should be changed and what not. ? Why don’t they change the name of Robin Island, Table Mountain, Kruger Park...simple, because it just does not upset enough whites..IDIOTS..!!!

      Cameron - 2012-10-08 11:21

      You guys already have the death penailty Moriri. When township justice is dished out, people rarely survive!

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-10-08 11:47

      Thswane - EVEN THE BLACK COMMUNITY struggle to understand the meaning of this name - is it an actual person? Does it mean something. I was listening to a number of callers that simply had their own idea of where does the name Thswane comes from. Is it Zulu? I mean just read from http://africanlanguages.com/south_africa/place_names.html and you tell us..! They say that the true meaning may have been lost to history! Is it because they never had a writing abilities until it was introduced to the locals by the european societies? And FRANKLY why are we even bothering with spending money unnecessarily? Oh wait that is the anc way! PLUS it would be on tender and we ALL KNOW what tenders means in the anc - a way to spend our hard-earned money!

      crackston.jack - 2012-10-09 10:55

      I hate what SOuth Africa has become and what it now stands for.

      sandra.j.rennie - 2012-10-09 14:39

      What the hell is wrong with the name PRETORIA. The whole world knows us as PRETORIA. Now the Government who has got buggerall to do the whole day, sits and thinks what name they can change next. e.g. Michael Brink Street, Villieria. When I tell clients we are in Nico Smith Street, they have no idea what I am talking about. And then the penny drops and they say 'Oh you mean Michael Brink Street, why didn't you say so'. So do you Get my point name-changers ?

      sauvignon.blanc.31 - 2012-10-10 10:29

      why is it that afrikaans people never realize how stupid and racist they sound. I dont care about the name change one way or another, but does every white news24 commentator have to always say things like 'you black'' and ''you stupid blacks''....do you realize what domb rednecks you sound like? its really pathetic how you use the ANCs incompetence as an excuse to spout your racial hatred. really pathetic. if you group all people of colour in this country as one and refer to that one group with insulting names, guess what? you are a fat ugly redneck racist, and the fact that you havent immigrated to oz yet just shows that you dont have the money to because you are a bunch of 'domb poor whities''....how does it feel? make some bladdy money and immigrate and stop being a bunch of whinging uselesses. im white by the way, its probably hard to tell because im not moaning and blaming black people for everything. saffas (especially whites) are the most negative people on the face of the earth. every country has problems in the modern world, we just whine and blame racial groups (like the nazis did) more then others. get over yourselves and do something to make this country better.

  • Proudly Me - 2012-10-08 10:21

    Why are we even considering throwing money after this? There are children and old people on the streets. Sort out the REAL problems and leave this idiotic suggestion where it belongs. in the toilet.

      george.outremer - 2012-10-08 11:29

      This is another issue that speaks to government's reckless spending of public funds. Quite honestly, I don't care about the current name or proposed name change. I want to know who is going to benefit (financially) from this? Is this yet another one of government's ways of enriching party members or cadres at the expense of the taxpayer? This is NOT a national issue requiring priority.

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-08 12:50

      Please bring a rates bill with you when you vote..

      willem.vanrensburg.562 - 2012-10-09 16:58

      London, Paris, New York, Moscow...and so on and so on...NEVER CHANGE...

  • sanchez.sancho.7 - 2012-10-08 10:26

    i still dont know and see the relevance of changing a name except that it costs a lot of money that could have been used to build houses

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-10-08 11:54

      don't you get it? House-building for the poor masses is an anc-myth? They don't care, and when they DO build them they are in such a poor state that they would need to demolish them and re-build them all over again.! The story of the anc-led south african could read like: "...and these are the tales of another tax-funds-wasteful-day of our south african miserable lives"

  • nicolaas.vanschalkwyk.5 - 2012-10-08 10:28

    Offcourse they are trying to wipe out our heritage. The ANC keeps on hammering about their history and their struggle but what about the struggle and heritage of the afrikaner? They should rather look at getting the countless homeless people off the street but no they are more interested in changing names that would benefit no one

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-08 10:57

      Pretoria wouldn't be there without the founder... Pretorius I wasn't aware of a city named Thswane being there before Pretoria was founded...

      patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-10-08 12:16

      The city council said Tshwane is the son of the chief who stayed in the vicinity, would like to know what was the son's claim of fame. Why not name the father, must have forgotten his name. World maps Gps's local maps, just a few of the this to change. Nobody in Europa will come and visit Tshwane.

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-10-08 12:20

      patricia - don't you get it? they DON'T want Europeans here. They are making it very clear all the time! They want to "drive all whites (Europeans) into the sea", they call all the whites "criminals", they want to "shoot the boer", etc... ad nauseum!

      Cameron - 2012-10-08 15:32

      It "creates jobs" :P http://www.google.co.uk/imgres?um=1&hl=en&newwindow=1&safe=off&sa=N&tbm=isch&tbnid=VvewE0tAcOrcTM:&imgrefurl=http://rwrant.co.za/productivity-pretoria-south-africa/&docid=AxA8SECZVHsquM&imgurl=http://rwrant.co.za/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Redline-a-Street-Name.jpg&w=1057&h=946&ei=p9VyUI_-JYjA0QXp0IGoCQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=316&vpy=299&dur=1017&hovh=134&hovw=150&tx=99&ty=122&sig=117839651050367304201&page=1&tbnh=134&tbnw=150&start=0&ndsp=18&ved=1t:429,r:7,s:0,i:93&biw=1366&bih=632

  • nicholas.graan - 2012-10-08 10:31

    Changing names makes it look as if change is taking place. Change but not progress.

      press.enter.12 - 2012-10-08 11:46

      Nope - this is simply appropriatiion of anothers efforts and culture - how weak must you be if you have no self respect to create your own . . . . .

  • aj.coetzee.9 - 2012-10-08 10:31

    The name changes are strange to me. Every street is named after people. What happened to names that decribe the country, the animals, the flowers? Its all political. No wonder our society is nowhere.

      nicholas.graan - 2012-10-08 11:25

      Its not about that, it's about reminding you who the boss is now.

  • sarecen.smith - 2012-10-08 10:32

    LET THEM SPEND THE MONEY AND CHANGE THE NAME, R350MIL, THEY WOULD RATHER SEE A NAME CHANGE THAN SEE THERE KIDS FED AND EDUCATED, MAKES YOU WONDER...

      aniken.vader.31 - 2012-10-08 12:26

      moeketsi.matli - you are a perfect example why anc voters are downright STUPID! to think that your comment is even remotely close to an intelligent response would be a shameful statement. Just "accepting the name change" would suffice. However to NOT see that the guy is UPSET because the anc would rather see their own voters starve to death and rename things in sa, is absolutely mind-boggling! Are you THAT THICK? ...wait don't answer that - you have already confirmed it!

      clinton.milne - 2012-10-10 08:53

      The reason they want to keep the poor, poor! Is so they can blame the WHITE man for taking all the jobs and money and and and...So the Militant youth can rape and kill our woman and children! It will never stop! They will change all the names and keep killing the Whites...

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-10-08 10:32

    I am with the ANC on this one. The name must change. When it was Pretoria we had Kruger rand, Schubart Park. Wonderfull high rise flats for the inner city residents. We had Sunny side with the biggest ster kinerkor complex. Night clubs on every corner It was safe to walk in the streets of Pretoria late at night. Alas we do not have that in Tswane...

      Rhulani Coleman Mkhwanazi - 2012-10-08 10:40

      Someone just want to find a way to withdraw money from the government like the way they did when they change streets names.

      marc.schnehage - 2012-10-08 13:41

      Henk: Agreed 100%. Pretoria was once the proud capital of a flourishing country at the tip of Africa. With the way it looks and smells now, I wouldn't even breed rats in that cess pool. Pretoria the way it was known the world over is no more. And I think that Andries Hendrik Pretorius wouldn't want that cess pool to bear his name any longer.

  • shaylene.stenger - 2012-10-08 10:34

    so much money to waste on a name change and yet so little for textbooks....

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-08 11:31

      Don't forget the hundreds of millions being spent on Zumba's Nkandla...

      azande.futhi - 2012-10-08 11:39

      money is really no problem in this country, the problem is management of same.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-08 12:25

      The problem is government abusing tax payers money for their own benefit. Yes they have done some good, but very minimal.

  • Shaun McDermott - 2012-10-08 10:35

    we should call it soddom gomorrah

  • Bebeiano Talabi - 2012-10-08 10:38

    how will the change of name contribute to the growth of the ecomony South Africa is still in contemporary slavery

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-08 11:33

      Us citizens are the slaves of government. We voice our opinion but they couldn't care less. All they care about is money and how to get as much as possible.

  • Shaun McDermott - 2012-10-08 10:39

    Thank you Father that I was saved from the fall of a nation, and the heart ache. i now live thousands of miles away at peace.

      patron.family - 2012-10-08 11:14

      Yup, one down. And for every "one down" there will be 10 others dying of starvation because the "one down" was the intelligent one who could have contributed to a successful South Africa

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-08 11:36

      Yes im sure your lame god answered your prayers. Why doesn't he answer the prayers of all the sick, poor, starving children around the world? Maybe your plight is more than theirs...? SA is better off without negative, pessimists like you.

      jason.sole.92 - 2012-10-08 12:13

      Well why dont you comment on your collapsing economy rather than boring us with your cowardice? Either come back and start building or SFU.

      oscar.pretorius.52 - 2012-10-08 17:42

      I really don't understand why people that go overseas get so much cr@p from people back here?! Is it because they are jealous and also wish they could emigrate? Leaving one's country must be both the hardest and saddest task to do but in the end it's about happiness. Shaun if you are happy where you are then well done and good luck. Don't pay attention to the people that mock you. There might yet be a day when they will need to emigrate. Who knows if that will be happening very soon at the rate this country is going down the drain

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-10-09 14:14

      Wesley.bischoff. One could argue that it isn't God's job to feed the children, but the duty of those that had them. Maybe you should rap the parents across the knuckles instead of throwing punches at others you have no clue about.

      kgolane.thulare - 2012-10-10 09:22

      @Shaun ...personally im glad you left , u are negetive about this country but you not even here...I can imagine what an irrate you were when you were still here....good ridddens!

  • mark.haupt.31 - 2012-10-08 10:39

    Moving deck chairs around on the Titanic, such a good idea.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-08 11:37

      Brilliant analogy!!! Like changing the name is going to positively effect anyone.

      jpstrauss - 2012-10-08 11:52

      More like painting the deck chairs ;)

      marcojvr - 2012-10-08 14:05

      Why are you people so negative??

  • yaschoeman - 2012-10-08 10:42

    Those the gov and the local municipality have nothing better to do? why change something that has been there for year and it has so much history? i still think is waste. take the same money and to something contractive with it...

  • werner.schyns.9 - 2012-10-08 10:43

    What is this country coming to?

  • JHLR73 - 2012-10-08 10:45

    Now imagine if some of top South African schools like Afrikaanse seunskool Pretoria or Pretoria boys high will now have to change their names to Afrikaanse seunsskool Tshwane or Tshwane boys high. Does not roll well on the tongue..

      LoplopBirdSuperior - 2012-10-08 12:19

      It won't ever happen. They would rather go fully private, I am sure. I was at Pretoria Girls and I know I would pay extra to change to a private school.

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-08 12:47

      Let the RatePAYERS decide Not the non rate payers.

      willa.prinsloo - 2012-10-09 13:54

      Yup. University of Pretoria - oops, they already named the Technikon to University of Tshwane. Supppose Tuks will have to go. Fortunately, my degree was from a university that was intenationally acclaimed then

  • wehan.victor - 2012-10-08 10:47

    Pretoria residents opposed to this absurd idea should go on a rates and taxes "strike".

      mc.segal.5 - 2012-10-08 12:54

      A good effing ratesboycott will come with some sacrifices....Might still be worth it..

  • teresa.villarini - 2012-10-08 10:54

    What a waste of money! This government will do exactly as they please whether you vote against it or for it so the voting thing is just to shut the people up and make them think they actually have a say! Millions of rands spent on crap when it could be used to fix the real problem areas like hospitals, clinics, schools etc !!

  • oscar.pretorius.52 - 2012-10-08 10:55

    By the same token so should the ANC change its name. Because it reminds me of the struggle and the struggle reminds me of apartheid. Lets also rename suncity because it reminds me of a time when apartheid didn't allow gambling. What a waste of time....

      linds.ronhouse - 2012-10-08 16:13

      @Oscar, there is a term for the type of argument you're using. It's called 'reductio ad absurdum.' Inteligent people don't use straw man arguments in a debate.

      oscar.pretorius.52 - 2012-10-08 16:41

      And I suppose your comment below where you state without evidence that the Afrikaner changed the name of every place he visited is any better. Go look up Tzaneen.... And FYI, reducto ad absurdum is employed in a range of fields including mathematics and philosophy, literature and mathematics. Seems like you the one that lacks the intelligence to understand it's full application. Or did I just offend you by pointing out how stupid your precious government is?

  • wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-08 10:55

    The main issue is that it is a HUGE waste of taxpayers money. I have heard so many young black people calling Pretoria exactly that. Why do i never hear them saying Thswane? Is government so naive that they think changing the name of a city is going to change people's attitudes toward one another?

  • msendi - 2012-10-08 10:57

    Change it to Msenditown… What a sexy name!!!

      kuno.tschumi.5 - 2012-10-08 11:20

      like your sense of humour

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-08 12:29

      Lol :)

  • Parys - 2012-10-08 10:58

    Voting on this is nothing more than ensuring the mobrule continues. This is a terrible way to handle this whole thing and will cause lots more problems.

  • ppisciotta - 2012-10-08 11:03

    SA is a joke before humanity.

  • ken.myer.923 - 2012-10-08 11:06

    Tshwane is just as bad as Pretoria was: another name noone will remember in a few years time. There is only one name that will this country's capital world-wide instant recognition: MANDELA Not Mandela City or Metropole or whatever. Just the name, like Washington. Noone will ever argue with that.

      Christiaan Jacobs - 2012-10-08 11:10

      Idiot.

      sphala - 2012-10-08 11:22

      Hahahahahahahaha ah a @Jacobs just like that geeeezz

      ppisciotta - 2012-10-08 11:39

      Don't confuse Washington with the likes of Mandela. You don't know American History and obviously forgot your S. African "History" even as short as it is.

      WysJouMys - 2012-10-08 12:13

      @ sphala.... just like that. Simple. After all, if the shoe fits.

  • anthony.okelly.98 - 2012-10-08 11:08

    about as logicle as changing the names of Washington DC and London. But seeking logic is a futile excercise anyway.

  • william.eland.9 - 2012-10-08 11:09

    Name changes of towns,cities and streets does not improve service delivery.Rather it creates opportunities to people who designs billboards and maps.Its high time the government of the day to focus on service delivery.Is it "a better life for all " or "a better life for some tenderpreneurs"

      ppisciotta - 2012-10-08 11:40

      Bet they will deliver new billboards faster than school books. SA is the shame of the democratic system.

  • mshiniboys - 2012-10-08 11:10

    All the cabinet ministers with western names including the president should have changed their names to African names first.Hypocritical again.

      ppisciotta - 2012-10-08 11:41

      I can think of a few words that can apply to them all.

      patron.family - 2012-10-08 11:52

      True. Ha ha

  • rsunkel - 2012-10-08 11:11

    When it depends on votes the writing is on the wall. Voters against the name Pretoria are overwhelming as this is a racial issue and voting will be along racial lines. Every time I enter my beloved country I perceive clearly that my white skin is also a reminder of apartheid...after 16 years. I often wonder if black South Africans ever consider the fact that it was the majority of white people that gave FW the "yes" vote and mandate to hand over power to the ANC as they believed the system was wrong. What if it had been a "no" vote. With the armed forces in white hands and if the whites were really as evil as was portrayed during those years what might have happened. In Africa governments in power will fight to death to remain there. Look what is hapening in the Arab world. I cannot understand why we are so hated and why we should be stripped of everything important and dear to us....and killed off like animals.

      Barefoot - 2012-10-08 11:51

      my dear friend that is where you are wrong most of the black people i know/speak with including me are against name changes.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-08 12:02

      Exactly... there are many black people who are intelligent and realise name changes are just a smoke screen, and a waste of money. I'm sure most people would prefer government using money to improve hospitals, schools etc...

  • JanGrimbeek - 2012-10-08 11:15

    Why don't they start renaming themselves, how many of them walk around with names like Piet, Johannes, Simon, Paul, Smuts, Roux etc. The goverment should be able to make milions of rands if they charge R10 per name change and enjoy a very fatty christmas party with some nice whiskey and sushi served as well.

  • Eterni80 - 2012-10-08 11:15

    I was opposed to this then an old man asked me why do I want the name to stay as it is home to Satan's corrupt army who like locusts are eating all the money up and living large while SA burns... Change the name, it is no longer a place I hold in high esteem anymore. One day the name will change again..

      richard.bosmano - 2012-10-08 12:29

      Opossed to this name change nonsense ,you got a point though ,Leningrad was changed back to St Petersburg when the russians got the rubbish out

  • anele.mveku - 2012-10-08 11:16

    Our Government needs to be changing lives not town names and street names... Really now.

      patron.family - 2012-10-08 11:54

      Finally. Some sense

      ppisciotta - 2012-10-08 12:31

      If SA is a democracy, then it is the people who are demanding this change. If I am correct, then I've proven to you and the world that SA is not yet ready for Democracy. The Majority Vote will put SA back into the stone age.

  • JamesMWood - 2012-10-08 11:24

    I honestly don't care how they rename, if someone asks me where jabu ndlovo road is I'll be \ ja no look hey, not a clue but try umlazi\

  • Genesistt - 2012-10-08 11:26

    Why is the government still trying to waste taxpayer money on this? Do they not realise how many millions of Rands it would cost to change Pretoria's name? How about using those millions to rather fix roads and build schools and supply running water to the people you promised it to?

  • Cameron - 2012-10-08 11:28

    I think everyone that wants a name change, should all put together money instead of using valuable tax payers money...i think that would be fair

  • alan.davis.5249 - 2012-10-08 11:28

    While the poor get poorer, lets change a name.... only costs a few million Rands. Let them starve because we (the Government) do NOT care. A clear message surely ????? Seems the government has money to waste ?????

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-08 12:08

      Of course they do... R60 billion since 1994

  • russellblack.cowan - 2012-10-08 11:34

    Here is a compromise. Let the city name stay called Pretoria while the municipality should Tshwane (which it already is). That way, both parties win. Its the same thing in Durban. The city is called Durban while the municipality is called ethekwini

      sihlangu.hokweni - 2012-10-08 11:51

      Nyet! (In RUSSIAN) We PRINTERS,SIGNWRITERS,GRAPHIC DESIGNERS

  • Johann Enslin - 2012-10-08 11:36

    Change it all. Ignore minorities.

      herman.booysen2 - 2012-10-08 11:51

      And then, what then. When will it be enough, take that same money and spend it on the suburbs in and around Tshwane-metro where there is no addresses, no monuments for their own people, build libraries, schools sport ground, this is what the apartheid gov did after, getting the country back from the Brits to uplift their communities. Stop being lazy learn the true meaning of the word of building-up and up-lift the community. We ask a country should have only make the pie bigger and that, that work and was good only more for everyone. We are now on a path of self-destruction.

      Johann Enslin - 2012-10-08 12:04

      Being sarcastic numbnut.

  • Johannes Mogashoa - 2012-10-08 11:38

    Pretoria:why do we have to change this name?,black ppl are stubborn that's why we remain poor nation...rather create jobs for 75 percent of our unemployment youth...

      Johannes - 2012-10-10 09:39

      Americans are stupid. The French are rude. The Porras smell. The Jews are stingy. Italians are greecy. The Japs are brutal. When are we going to learn that these are GENERAL CHARACTERISTICS OF PEOPLE.. I meet MANY different kinds of dumb, rude, smelly, stingy, greecy and brutal people almost every day of my life.. We all do, yet we still generalize.. Come on people!!

  • WantrisPkc - 2012-10-08 11:38

    And Government can spend time, manpower and money on this and not the real issues at hand... crime, poverty, strikes, housing,, corruption to name a few!

  • troy.marais - 2012-10-08 11:38

    Pretoria was named after Andries Pretorius, a boer leader who fought for his country and to liberate it from British rule. His struggle was not just for the white people but for the entire country which is signified in his helping of Mpande to defeat his half brother and tyrant, Dingane. The public holiday that we celebrate on December 16 known as reconciliation day is in remembrance of the day that Pretorius defeated Dingane at Blood River, a day for all of us just as the City of Pretoria is for us all. Leave the name and maintain some of the great history that we have. If you really want to take steps towards reconciliation, honour some of your promises and use the money to educate our youth. Street and city name changes is a misleading way to signify postive progression and reconciliation for the people affected by apartheid.

      John - 2012-10-08 18:58

      Name changing is simply the bully sticking his finger in your eye after robbing you and telling you to pay the medical expenses!! Just plain STUPID!! What do you expect from the STUPID!!

  • jordy.batte1 - 2012-10-08 11:40

    Hope DA can win the next election

      sivinhoricardo.mdazuka - 2012-10-08 12:08

      Lol man ur funny hahaha...but don't worry dreams do come through sometimes!

      wehan.victor - 2012-10-08 12:11

      @Mzwa. Regimes change all the time. The ANC will have its day, especially with the way things are going at the moment. Don't underestimate the power of the masses. The ANC has grown content with the loyalty of the people. This will change.

  • mojay.mooi - 2012-10-08 11:43

    Don't change anything just call it PT , Pretoria Tshwane , damn stop being Naïve

      fanie.gerber1972 - 2012-10-09 23:23

      Agreed - but make it Tswane Pretoria then we can have the old TP registration back as well

  • jpstrauss - 2012-10-08 11:43

    Pretoria got its name LOOOONG before apartheid.

  • jpstrauss - 2012-10-08 11:51

    It's just another weapon in the genocide arsenal. Says Raphael Lemkin (the man who coined the term 'genocide'): "By 'genocide' we mean the destruction of an ethnic group ... Generally speaking, genocide does not necessarily mean the immediate destruction of a nation, except when accomplished by mass killings of all members of a nation. It is intended rather to signify a coordinated plan of different actions aiming at the destruction of essential foundations of the life of national groups, with the aim of annihilating the groups themselves. The objectives of such a plan would be disintegration of the political and social institutions[check], of culture[check], language[check], national feelings[check], religion[not yet, but it's happening, just have a look at MyNews24], and the economic existence of national groups[check], and the destruction of the personal security[check], liberty[check], health[check], dignity[check], and even the lives of the individuals belonging to such groups[check]" *[my interjections in square brackets, in case anyone was wondering].

      Johannes - 2012-10-10 09:42

      The time will come for the white population to either fight or flight. It is very sad indeed, but it is the direction the ANC intends to take us as a nation.. :(

  • Daniel Mah - 2012-10-08 11:52

    just leave the damn name asseblief - we've changed enough

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-10-08 12:16

      Government should stop focussing on CHANGE... their main objective should be SOLUTIONS to PROBLEMS.

  • ameer.albertus.9 - 2012-10-08 12:03

    Change it however they like, I grew up with the place name Pretoria and that's what I'll call it. NOTHING ELSE!

  • cyanideandhappiness - 2012-10-08 12:05

    No, it is too expensive, and our country is dying, you may not change the name until you can prove that you can adequately deal with other more important social issues, such as the growing homeless population in the city, or the high crime rate. Please don't waste money on this. We all know and love Pretoria as a city, not just for it's history, but for what it means to us as our home, I bet most people of all colour feel that way. I am sick of the ANC using these kind of tactics to look useful to the general population. Changing the name helps with NOTHING!!!

  • LoplopBirdSuperior - 2012-10-08 12:11

    Where is the speaker's office? I want to go vote against this.

  • chabi.sesoko - 2012-10-08 12:34

    We do not know now who first cast the Boomerang !! All these places across the Country were known by other names... Then the evil Land Act came in and Name Changes sprung all over the Country, at Taxpayers costs of course!! Change them now again...Yes at Taxpayer's costs, for we can never have have afrikaans laden towns & street names only in this "Azania", just because those who hold dear to the evil past cast our view to Hunger and other social ills... All this Liberatory activities will merge and everything all at once shall be different... Doomsayers will ask, How did we get here ? (bietjie, bietjie maak meer.. something like that).

      wim.kotze.9 - 2012-10-08 17:19

      The Land Act had nothing to do with name changes and, anyway, the likelihood that your kind were taxpayers at the time of the Act is very slim. Moreover, all the small towns were given Afrikaans names because the were built by Afrikaners, so why don't you go and build your own towns so that you can name them? Or do you always have to leach on Afrikaner heritage.

  • christina.setloboko - 2012-10-08 12:51

    don't see any importance in changing names if lives of many in S.Africa are still the same, and how much are they going to spend just for changing names, that money can be used for building schools and etc etc. please get your priorities straight Mr. name changer.