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Extreme violence in farm attacks - experts

2012-11-28 09:18

Johannesburg - Violence perpetrated against victims of farm attacks is far worse than the public could possibly imagine, Beeld reported on Wednesday.

Eileen de Jager and Roelien Schutte, two sisters who clean up crime scenes nationally, said on Tuesday at the release of a report by the Solidarity Research Institute that they had seen a definite increase in extreme violence during farm attacks.

They said if the public realised what actually happened during such attacks, it would serve as a wake-up call that would mobilise communities to be more vigilant.

"Victims are often tortured before being dragged behind cars, or they are mutilated with boiling water. It is beyond insane," De Jager said.

Lorraine Claassen, a criminologist, said it was disturbing that farm attacks were still not being viewed in a serious light.

"The extreme terror that people experience when their lives are in the hands of attackers is paralysing and incomprehensible. No person deserves to be murdered in such a barbaric, inhuman and perverted manner," she said.

Dr Johan Burger, senior researcher at the Institute for Security Studies (ISS), said it was clear that the government did not view the attacks as a priority, but that a farmer was twice as likely as a policeman to be killed.

"The situation should be viewed as a national crisis, and it should be given focused attention."

Comments
  • thadelphukem.completely - 2012-11-28 09:26

    Farm murders have become a pandemic and are a reflection of how sick the criminals are in this country!!! Time for the death penalty to be brought back!!!

      john.kirkwood.9619 - 2012-11-28 09:37

      it's the only thing that might work for all violent crime rape murder ect,quick justice also, no good streching the trial out if there is sure undebatable evidence should be handeled in a few weeks, save the tax payer a lot of money.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-11-28 09:44

      I shudder to think of what really happens during these attacks. They're clearly fueled by racial hatred for white families.

      Jason - 2012-11-28 09:48

      share the story share the story share the story

      mark.shatkinson - 2012-11-28 09:52

      I agree, the only problem with having a government like the ANC in charge of the death penalty is then it becomes a political tool rather than a means to curb crime.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-11-28 09:55

      Death penalties are tremendous for retribution but useless as a deterrent. Nowhere has its abolition resulted in a significant increase in murder rates. That's a simple, verifiable fact. Plus, it's unconstitutional so it cannot be brought back, just as how apartheid or slavery cannot be legislated back.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2012-11-28 10:03

      So let me get this straight, you want to have death penalty AND fast trials that don't allow for proper evidence discovery. Gee, I wonder what could possibly go wrong with that.

      Shaun - 2012-11-28 10:13

      come on where is the DA here.they shuld be organising marchers all over the country.we need to protect our economy and lives.

      zambezi.river - 2012-11-28 10:13

      Its a shame that some farmers are paying with their lives for the sins of their apartheid fathers!

      wdvilliers - 2012-11-28 10:35

      Blip you are talking BS

      heathway.master - 2012-11-28 10:52

      Genocide Watch, an American based organisation has stated that farm murders are actually Genocide against the farmers. Genocide according to their research has 8 specific stages. As far as the farmers are concerned, Stage 6 has been reached. Because of the brutality of the attacks, and the fact that very little is ever stolen, they regard them as a careful and systematic plan, to drive all white farmers off the land, which they feel was actually stolen from them during the country’s history. It is estimated that 100's of farms have already been abandoned, as farmers feel the dangers towards them of being killed, have reached an unacceptable level. When hunger eventually stalks the land, humanitarian aid from the West will be fully expected, and demanded. It is quite acceptable to torture and kill soft targets like defenceless woman and children, but starvation is human right abuse, and the colonist, racist, oppressor, West must honour its duty and prime obligation to rush to the help and aid of Africa, as soon as, and wherever needed.

      Kawasaki1985 - 2012-11-28 11:21

      Absolutely No Consequence or the ANC feel feathers for all South Africans. These bloated fat cats see farm murders (and any other murder) as just another event. These farm murders may appear as Genocide, however, farmers of all races are being attacked. It's pointless deploying the SANDF but rather re-creating the Commando's with SADF veterans (those who served from 1970 to 1997 including me) - with the same authority they had pre 1995 !!

      Kawasaki1985 - 2012-11-28 12:10

      @ Rooster - Its called the DA - The only voice all Races in SA have against the ANC - and we must all use it and use it well.

      Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-11-28 12:15

      FARM MURDERS ARE THE PRIMARY RACIST ANC UNWRITTEN POLICY, backed up by the biased education contrary to any reconcilliatory rhetoric they spew

      james.ellman - 2012-11-28 12:32

      bilp noodlum....every country where I ever visited for more than 1 month at a time, with the death penalty (Thailand, Vietnam, Singapore, UAE, etc), felt far safer than those which dont have it (Brazil, SA, UK, etc). The difference is I have walked about almost everywhere at anytime in aforementioned countries and nobody bothered me nor any female accompanying me. In the last mentioned countries I have been bothered and had been involved in some life threatening confrontation... therefore you and those anti-death penalty organizations who doctored their surveys talk absolute crap!!!

      maria.roth.589 - 2012-11-28 13:01

      Bringing back the death penalty is not a solution. Proper policing is a solution and proper education. The Population has grown beyond all predictions and the availability of land is finite. All the irregular immigration also contributes to stresses. People believe if it were not for the farmers they would have big farms and lots to eat but we know it would be like Zimbabwe and everybody would trek to Where? The government inaction in this regard will not be solved by the death penalty. The murders are motivated by racialism this has to change and the ANC must stop their racialistic pronouncements and actions.

      james.ellman - 2012-11-28 14:08

      maria roth... I am a SA citizen now living in Asia... here we have the death penalty and guess what: I prefer it!!! ... some people kill not because of racism or whatever... some are simply bloodthirsty psychopaths and no prison term will help them or their victims. No death penalty is plain stupid, because some criminals can never be re-habilitated, and the victims will always live in fear knowing their rapist/ torturer/ killer of close family are still alive. The result of the death penalty here, is that my Asian Girlfriend can walkabout in a short miniskirt at 2 AM in the morning alone in a slummy area. She has never been raped nor assaulted ever and we do not know of anyone being a crime victim in this part of the world. Why so safe: Deathpenalty for rapists/ murderers/ drug smugglers in my new home country. People here are scared to do violent crime, because the consequences is severe. Also prisoners drain the govt funds and your tax money, but if they are dead, then the burden on the tax payer is almost zero. In SA I had to pay up to 42% tax (to support a big prison population), but in Asia (with an ever higher salary), my tax rate is barely 8%.

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-11-28 18:45

      Aheather; I think you are a bit delusional about the west rushing to aid Africa, yet again. The west has been aiding Africa for 60+years. The west has watched as country after country has thrown off the yoke of the oppressor (or the colonist has just given the reigns to the indigenous population) and then watched as the oppressed have become the oppressor in the name of tribal or religious loyalty. SA has been the latest. The west supported the ANC in it's "struggle." And the west supported SA and it's new ANC led government. Hundreds of billions of rand have been given. I think what you will see if this kind of violence against the farmer continues is that the west will levy sanctions against SA much like it has against zim. but much stronger. The west celebrated Mr. Mandela's election. They celebrated both the Rainbow Nation and his vision for the future. The west has watched with sadness at the continual violence and repression (through corruption) of the ANC towards it's people. The day is coming when (and is already here) when the "savior" of Africa will be China. But what SA and the rest of Africa will find out is that this will be the 21st century colonization of Africa by China. They will own the businesses, the banks, and the debt of Africa and they will be far less generous to Africa. The west has apologized and paid for it's past mistakes. Now it is Africa's turn to care for it's own, but watch out the new colonist is coming, her name is china.

      heathway.master - 2012-11-29 12:31

      Kawasaki, do you not see it as in anyway sinister that the Government immediately disbanded the white commando system, set up to protect farmers of all race, against the Genocide brutal murders we are now seeing. Why their obsession with rendering the farmers defenceless. You might not smell a rat, but I certainly do. The unacceptable murder of black farmers as well, was probably nothing more than being at the wrong place at the wrong time, or else nothing more than jealously and opportunistic vengeance at someone surviving better than them.

      crystal.core.5 - 2012-11-29 16:12

      These are racial hate crimes. This is genocide. The lack of convictions together with our president (and other senior ANC) singing "shoot the boer" (clip available on youtube) earlier this year at the ANC 100 year celebrations to dancing SA military and cheering ANC members suggests ANC Government support for this genocide. ANC policies of "land reformation", the deployment of the most racist ANC cadres into the police force, militarising the police force as well as banning detailed crime statistics, including conviction rates on these and other racial hate crimes, including home invasions, lend further evidence to the fact that these attacks are well co-ordinated and covered up. Farmers murdered in Zimbabwe since 1994: 129 Farmers murdered in South Africa since 1994: >2,000.

      crystal.core.5 - 2012-11-29 16:14

      Give Zuma his day in international court! He must answer to charges of crimes agains humanity and genocide.

      ex.dutchman - 2012-11-29 23:13

      No!! Do not bring back the death penalty. Imagine you getting framed and then be tried by an incompetent judge. No, do not bring back the death penalty. But please bring back a police force that is dedicated to their job. A police force that is trained and motivated. Honest human beings, dedicated to apprehending criminals and to ensure they are being put where they belong – behind bars. And please bring back competent public prosecuers. But statistics is pointing the other way – police is involved in the criminal activity and has been involved in serious crime

  • typersa.baddy - 2012-11-28 09:27

    These crimes are committed by demons that do not deserve to walk amongst other humans!!!

      jannie.kotze.7 - 2012-11-28 12:02

      ...But the cANCer and COSATU are the forces behind this and they will do everything to make sure that these horrific barbaric murders continue un-obstructed!

  • jurgen.eksteen - 2012-11-28 09:27

    When these people are caught, they must be made to serve South Africans ... like mixing them into the foundations of roads, be put into the power station furnaces to generate power or even be plowed into the very same farm's fields to feed the crops. At least then they won't be a total waste of existence.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-11-28 09:56

      Pffft... and you're opposed to violent barbarism? But not hypocrisy, it seems.

      jurgen.eksteen - 2012-11-28 10:04

      No noodlum ... I'm not hypocritical. These people are not human ... their actions clearly define it and what do you do to animals that are a threat to people? You put them down. But these animals has high brain functions so they can be scared off by this SEVERE punishment.

      alfred.neumann.142 - 2012-11-28 11:00

      Personally, I've always been an avid proponent of The-Giant-Hamster-Wheel-Of-Shame where degenerate, knuckle dragging thieves, murderers and rapists are forced to walk in an oversized hamster wheel which is plugged directly into the grid and when they can no longer help Eskom out for their allotted 18 hours a day they become part of SA's newest and best spectator sport - criminal skeet shooting with twin 35mm anti aircraft guns.

      james.looch - 2012-11-28 11:00

      Do you want to sterilize the soil??

      rowan.clark.10 - 2012-11-28 13:34

      The goverment protection/defence of the public is as weak as an army without armament. Surely the best defence would be to make all citizens part of an area network starting with ten neighbours and for farmers a mobile reaction unit with locals teaming up with police /army and labourers to man road blocks etc .Times change if you want to be safe you have to make criminals feel unsafe.

  • douglas.lindsay2 - 2012-11-28 09:29

    All the farmers should give up their farms and watch the masses starve. There's no way South Africa can afford to import enough food to feed it's population.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-11-28 09:46

      Overbreeding, we're not reaping the consequences.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-11-28 10:01

      This is 2012 -- more than half of the food in your nearest supermarket is already imported. Nobody starves as long as another new shipment of everything edible is already winging its way on a Boeing headed for O R Tambo as you read this. It's not 1652 and growing veggies in Cape Town Gardens any more.

      hondbyt - 2012-11-28 10:32

      Blip, you just went full retard...

      percyferrao - 2012-11-28 10:36

      @blip you just showed your ignorance. Have you ever traveled... try it sometime and notice the south african produce in supermarkets overseas. Farmers generate a lot of income for this country as well as the thousands of jobs they provide. In addition, most of the food in supermarkets is home grown. This economy would never survive on imports alone! Please try to make sensible comments!

      Daniel - 2012-11-28 13:28

      Don't blame blip. Liberals could always afford to be liberal because they could afford luxuries such as imported food and then ease their conscience, heavily oppressed by their full tummies and luxurious lifestyle, by dropping a few scraps off to the sadly oppressed...I bet he still mourns Helen Suzman and her gang

      raymond.romans.5 - 2012-11-28 13:36

      Muldoon, shut the f up. Moron.

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-11-28 18:49

      blip; and how much extra does that food cost that comes in to OR Tambo? Have you ever traveled outside of SA and how much was that ticket. Simply economics food that travels by truck for a 100 kilometers is a lot cheaper than food that travels by plane 10,000 kilometers.

      edward.patterson.923 - 2012-11-28 18:50

      One other thing blip. What about those who live on less than R2000 a month who can't afford to shop where you shop?

      maylani.bezuidenhout - 2012-11-29 19:14

      Actually brain surgeon plip. Most of the veggies for CT come from Phillipe but you won't care till you have to pay R50 for a cabbage...

  • dragonfire47 - 2012-11-28 09:29

    I once heard an interview with these 2 incredible ladies (I think theres a book as well) we can only imagine the work they have to do, movies like sunshine cleaning and shows like csi are a joke in comparison

  • jack.kukard - 2012-11-28 09:30

    They will do nothing, the easiest way to get rid of the farmers then they don't have to take the farms like mugarbage......

  • conquergp33 - 2012-11-28 09:30

    Do yourselves a favor and google Museum of Afrikaner Genocide, (BEWARE GRAPHIC IMAGES OF WOMAN, MEN AND CHILDREN MURDERED). This is sick and each perpetrator deserves torture and eventual DEATH.

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-11-28 09:32

    "Victims are often tortured before being dragged behind cars.." This is not the work of human beings. But because they white farmers (boers) the govt don't care.

  • piet.snot.77964 - 2012-11-28 09:34

    All the government is worried about is covering up their incompetence theft and corruption. Only when the farmer and his friends and relatives start fighting back will the government start worring - it will then be too late.

  • andrew.arnesen - 2012-11-28 09:37

    My Dad was murdered on our farm. Luckily it was a sawn-off shotgun at point-blank range so mercifully quick. Joining hands at a grass-roots level is the only way forward with such a backwards government so please devote some of your energy to your community and consider others at the same time as yourself.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-11-28 09:46

      And still this useless ANC regime refuses to make farm murders a priority crime. I wonder why...

      alfred.neumann.142 - 2012-11-28 10:51

      I'm sorry to hear that and I really do understand your perspective but I can't help thinking that things have already gone way too far when you have to consider yourself "lucky" to be murdered at point blank range with a sawn off shotgun.

      dimitripappas - 2012-11-29 14:48

      @Charles: I'm beginning to wonder if they could even do it if they wanted to... but their incompetence in every other field does a good job at replacing the wonder with sheer awe of the facts.

  • dewaldmontgomery - 2012-11-28 09:41

    I still hold that any crime that involves fraud, bribery, armed robbery, sexual offense, physical abuse, and murder should result in not only a criminal record, but ** LOSS OF VOTING RIGHTS FOR A PERIOD OF 10 YEARS **.

  • rohin.jadin - 2012-11-28 09:45

    there is so much anger and hate that I personally don't believe any therapy can fix. while people are desperate and then fueled with hate, muti beliefs of being invincible, and then possibly drug or alcohol induced courage - the only option is shoot to kill. i also don't believe this is solely a racial thing. I remember reading stories of farm workers being subjected to the same violent trauma - this really is a psychological problem and sadly the people that can do anything about it live in mansions with fort knox security and drive around in blue light convoys.

  • charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-11-28 09:47

    BRING BACK THE COMMANDOS AND SHOOT ANY TSOTSI WHO IS SEEN STALKING AROUND THE FARMS AT NIGHT. IT'S THE ONLY WAY!

      blip.noodlum - 2012-11-28 10:03

      The commandos only reacted. They never ever pro-acted.

      riette.nothling - 2012-11-28 12:34

      Blip, when the commando's were still active farm attacks were far less frequent then now. The farm attacks are not robberies, it's murder and torture based on skin colour. Your ignorant remarks are very irritating!

  • kimard - 2012-11-28 09:49

    only one way around this - DIY!! because the gov really stinks in every aspect.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-11-28 09:54

      Each member of the farming families need to walk around armed 24/7. Teach their children how to shoot firearms, etc. They just can't carry on like this, it's sick to think that these murderers are young ts0tsis who are just stalking these farms and waiting to butcher these innocent white families. This screams of racial genocide!!!

      blip.noodlum - 2012-11-28 10:04

      Life in an African prison is really not very pleasant.

      johan.jacobs.5680 - 2012-11-28 10:13

      Living on a farm nowadays, has become worst than prison.

      george.frangs - 2012-11-28 10:45

      Ag shame blip, you're right. Maybe they can stay with you then? Make them some tea and fairy cakes? Aww, you're so sweet. Bless.

      kimard - 2012-11-28 10:47

      self defense aint a crime bro'

  • rob.gunning.1 - 2012-11-28 09:49

    The ANC condones farm murders... It forms part of their "willing buyer, willing seller" policy. I wouldn't be suprised if they are actually directly involved in some sort of covert way. Anyway, the truth will come out eventually.

      kimard - 2012-11-28 09:57

      yup "i want THAT farm" - best way to get it, is to get rid of the owner!

  • jacob.molife - 2012-11-28 09:53

    Plz do somthng. Thers a distabiling force involvd. Unless we want the 'sadist' label.

      james.ellman - 2012-11-28 13:05

      vlammie pilot... I am totally against farm murders whether the victims are black or white... Your type (racist c#nts) are part of the reason why SA is becoming a big mess. If you ever get killed (by a darkie, of course), I will have a great laugh!!! .... jacob molife, your comments are valued by many, so ignore the !d!0+ called vlammie.

      Daniel - 2012-11-28 13:25

      I so agree with you, Jacob. Years ago Alan paton prayed: "Let them turn to loving before we turn to hating." This prayers is as relevant to the day, just with the roles reversed....

      willem.d.jager - 2012-11-28 13:46

      vlammie, jy help niemand.

  • gert_swart - 2012-11-28 09:54

    Why don't the media report truly on the extreme violence used during these farm atacks. Why are they hiding it? This under reporting of what is really happening make me think that the Freedom Front and Solidarity may not be right that a systematic genocide is actually carried out in the platteland.

      george.frangs - 2012-11-28 10:34

      I suppose because the majority of the media is run/funded by the government. I mean they can ban take-away ads, run a secrecy bill through parliament, so of course they don't want us to see or know anything. It's time for independant agencies to expose this.

      james.looch - 2012-11-28 11:14

      Subscribe online to noseweek and see what really goes down!

      louissouthafrica - 2012-11-28 18:18

      Perhaps it is time that we start showing banners at International sporting events. Let the camera's pick it up. Let the world know this way.

  • Moi - 2012-11-28 09:55

    Is the government listening and do they care?? No and no. It's up to the farming communities to do what needs to be done to keep themselves and their families and workers safe.

      kimard - 2012-11-28 09:58

      my family in SA are carrying guns 24/7 on their farm and they are waiting open borders helps a LOT (not) !

  • talana.malherbe - 2012-11-28 09:58

    I saw several pictures and reports of farm attacks and let me tell you, the images stayed with me for months, made me sick to my stomac. We are not just talking about being beaten and shot. The worst imaginable things are being done to these people. Please please this needs to be taken very seriously.

      joyce.beeton - 2012-11-28 20:47

      I agree Talana, in fact I believe that the world needs to be told about what is going on in this country - the level of crime and the nature of the brutality and savagery with which they are carried out is not normal and is worrying. People who think this is the "rainbow Nation" are burying their heads in the sand. The biggest perpetrators of violence here are politicians and Union members who stir up trouble and then walk around like modern day Pontius Pilates holding a bowl of water to wash their hands in and carry nails and a hammer in the other! Shame on them.

  • Jane - 2012-11-28 09:58

    In my opinion I think almost every farm attack is fueled by a deep hatred for white people, which makes these attacks even more frightening. The ANC led government does not take this seriously because they are no longer interested in a minority group. A group of violent striking miners are shot in self - defence by the police and an inquiry is set up. Helpless, mostly elderly, white farmers are attacked and tortured before being brutally murdered and the government sits back and does nothing because they don't care!

  • wvandermerwe1 - 2012-11-28 10:01

    You want to finally get some reaction from the dimwits that run this country, then go viral big time with this information. Post pictures, stories, interviews with the handful of survivors etc. Take this message to the world people. Use the internet, set up a bunch of internationally registered sites (so the locals can't take it down easily), then drive the world to these web sites via mobile & internet forums. The more graphic the message, the more good will come of it, sad as it may be. Expose the lack of assistance or even interest the SA government has towards curbing this situation. Enough pressure will be put on them to start reacting positively, preventing the overall ethnic cleansing of the white boer nation. I am by no means a white right winger, just one of thousands of SA citizens (of all ethnic backgrounds) that is sick and tired of the ineptness and reverse discrimination taking place in this country. The power of the peoples voices are starting to achieve more and more. Take this project serious, be relentless and keep on piling up the pressure. Trust me, the power of the pen is ultimately way stronger than anything else. Go concern SA citizens!!

      Jane - 2012-11-28 10:30

      I totally agree, I always put these links on my FB page for my friends living overseas to see, the world needs to know!

      james.ellman - 2012-11-28 13:13

      Vlammie, your type (rightwing !D!0+s) are part of the problem... You give White People a very bad name... no wonder many Black People got an extreme hatred towards White People, because of rightwingers like you... Note: not all Black People are bad, there are many good Black People too... The same goes for Whites People too, there are many Good White People and many Bad White People(thats you)!!!

      joyce.beeton - 2012-11-28 20:48

      Way to go - I agree 100%. Name and shame.

      antebellum.axiom - 2012-11-29 20:54

      @james Vlammie's comment has been removed so I cannot read it, but your reasoning is still quite rediculous. If I SAID the most vile and racist things ever, does that warrant or justify my torture and murder? Would you torture and kill some random person/family and drag them behind a bakkie because some guy on the internet said something insulting? How delluded can you be? Almost EVERY SINGLE interacial murder in South Africa is black on white. You can scream racism untill you are blue in the face, but this simple truth will not change. But here you are...losing your sh*t over something someone SAID, instead of raging over the fact that innocent people(who are responsible for our food security) are TORTURED and MURDERED in the most horrific ways. I personally think that farmers should sell their farms to all the liberal idiots in South Africa. Nothing provides a reality check like the school of hard knocks. Maybe a few life threatining situations will knock you off that ivory tower.

  • paulo.teixeira.39948 - 2012-11-28 10:01

    Any normal caring Government would have taken this much more seriously and put an end to it right from the start by enforcing the rule of law/putting perpetrators in jail! But with our lot it all points to the land issue and because of the lack of empathy you can only deduce that deep down the Government still WRONGLY believe the land is rightfully there’s (it's very backwards thinking, but then we do have president who thinks tribal ceremonies involving the slaughtering 12 cows will protect him from evil-that's the mind set I’m afraid)- i have no faith in any Goverment Dept.

  • fanie.gerber1972 - 2012-11-28 10:02

    http://www.awsg.us/south-african-farm-murder-photos/

      talana.malherbe - 2012-11-28 10:14

      Yes Fanie, this is part of what I saw! Now the government needs to justify whether they still think this is "normal" and doesn't need priority. Bloody useless ANC!

      tyson.love.94 - 2012-11-28 13:16

      Are black farm victims photos included in that web site?

  • justin.halgreen - 2012-11-28 10:03

    I do not understand our entire economy is at its worst and people kill the farms for land because it was taken from them? These people were not even born maybe 250 years ago, but grow up we in 2012,we barely earn enough money with everything increasing we struggling o survive yet money is pumped out into development for upgrades to houses? We need a change drastically before the end result will be war.

  • johan.vanheerden.737 - 2012-11-28 10:08

    It is time!

  • pieter.walt.5 - 2012-11-28 10:08

    This is sick and out of control. Government is turning a blind eye to this, we have a total lack of leadership. Government are wasting tax payers money on nkandla and self enrichment they do not care about ALL its people. Government should serve the people, not people serving government!! This must stop and an action plan is needed - now!!

  • yolandiii - 2012-11-28 10:10

    The Government wont do anything about this as they are trying to wipe out White Afrikaners. They are all to happy that this is happening, Why torture the poor innocent people? THis is GENOCIDE!!! Dont compare these criminals to animals they are filled with HATRED and should not be allowed in society!!! IF this happes to any of my family members i will go on a killing spree and kill all of them!!!!!!

      tyson.love.94 - 2012-11-28 13:19

      I wonder how the Zimbabweans farm workers or illegal aliens feel about farm attacks?

  • phillip.plooy - 2012-11-28 10:18

    "...No person deserves to be murdered in such a barbaric, inhuman and perverted manner," she said." But sould this not be NO PERSON DESERVES TO BE MURDERED , never mind how?

  • Rebecca - 2012-11-28 10:20

    The cANCer government doesn't care and their reason will be as usual, it's apartheids fault didn't you know? Malema and his cronies are probably orchestrating the whole thing anyway. Sick bastards, no respect for life

  • Brian Radebe Dorning - 2012-11-28 10:22

    The government has failed it people, both black and white. Criminals are out of control because criminals are in the highest positions in government! Kill the killers and let civil society flourish!

  • bob.small.7547 - 2012-11-28 10:22

    Genocide is never a pretty sight!

  • nevergrowupgirl - 2012-11-28 10:28

    Post to Facebook! Post to Twitter! Send the link in emails! And I suggest getting info on any an all international newspapers. Spread this news now, because government is soon going to clamp down on any article placing them in bad light. Welcome to communist, murderous SA.

  • tamlin.vanheerver - 2012-11-28 10:28

    I take my hat off to those 2 ladies who do that job, its not easy you have to be very strong. Thank you for your work

  • nevergrowupgirl - 2012-11-28 10:29

    Post this link to Twitter and Facebook, and any international newspaper!

  • jaco.skalkwyk.73 - 2012-11-28 10:30

    Nelson Mandela's legacy of Umkhonto we Sizwe. Objective: To make the country ungovernable by any means necessary. If you do a bit of research, you will discover what tactics was used. Even today these tactics are being used. ANCYL objectives have not changed since 1961. If you look at the people that were caught for some farm murders, they are all under 30 years old. One thing ANC learnt from the previous government is not to rush a plan, rather take your time and reach your goal in the end. The recent farm strikes had nothing to do with salaries. Busloads of people arrived at Ceres & Tulbagh to protest few weeks back. These were not the local farm workers as reported in the news. .. ANC has always ruled with fear, it wont change. Spoke to a lady from our local township and she told me that the ANC members go from door to door to register the people for the elections. If you don’t comply, you get informed that you will lose your citizenship and be exiled from RSA. ANC = FEAR.

      Alice - 2012-11-28 10:40

      It's not only local black SA that are dragged into getting AnC membership. There's millions of Basotho and Zim nationals that are given free ID's prior to elections to increase the number of ANC members. ANC will win nxt elections because of that, that's why our boarders are wide open. They know very well what they are doing. The NAT's also ruled through fear as well, that is why their legacy is still passed on, everything you see today is reversed. It's called 'WIT GEVAAR'.

  • lynn.maree.16 - 2012-11-28 10:33

    Join Awaken South Afica on Facebook, its for people who want to make a change and stand together. Bring back the death penalty. And those who stand by and condone it can hang with the murderers. Because they are murderers too.

  • tresor.mpika.9 - 2012-11-28 10:38

    Did I say anything about black or white? the are also black farm owners. i dnt know why people are turning my comment into a racial one. we read stories about farmers murdering their workers

      klipkop.degroote - 2012-11-28 10:53

      "we read stories about farmers murdering their workers" when and where? back in 1973 yes. This article is about farmers that are tortured before they are boiled to death etc. Black and white true but mostly white. It is SA this and plain common sense. Take your racist tendencies and f-off.

      john.loxton.77 - 2012-11-28 10:55

      Where have you read this give me 2 examples!!!!

      jaco.skalkwyk.73 - 2012-11-28 10:59

      How many white farm workers do you know?

      Daniel - 2012-11-28 13:22

      Farmers murdering their workers? Where did you get that from? The children's section of the library? Common sense tells you that the employer who murders his employee must do the work in his place and it damages the business. If nothing else, I can assure you white people are more intelligent than to "cut their noses to spite their faces!"

      willem.d.jager - 2012-11-28 14:01

      tresor, I'd like to read about farmers murdering their workers too because it seems outrageous. Can you provide links to educate me pls?

      heathway.master - 2012-11-29 13:25

      Tresor, what has your comment got to do with anything. Throughout the world, you will always get isolated cases of murder, amongst every cultural group. What we are talking about here is that the modus operandi, and sheer volume of farmers suddenly being killed, indicates that a carefully laid out and planned strategy is being adopted, to chase farmers off the land.

  • emarks28 - 2012-11-28 10:51

    Are the people of our country prepared to sit back and watch SA go the same way as Zimbabwe? As an eternal optimist, I was always the one to defend SA and say that because we are aware of the mistakes made in other countries, we would ensure that South Africa would go from strength to strength...how can our government sit back and watch our country disintegrate?? Are they too blinded by their ego's and too wrapped up in trival arguments to see what is really going on? Time for a government to address the issues of the people!!

  • denise.wilshire - 2012-11-28 10:52

    Take this to the UNITED NATIONS. Our Government needs a to be investigated for lack of response to these murders. The deaths are on such a scale that this needs to be investigated at international level. Obviously our Government is happy with the way that things are going and will not step in unless forced to do so. We must hold the record for unsolved murders in the developed world? BRING BACK THE DEATH PENALTY.

      heinrich.crouse - 2012-11-28 11:35

      Our justice system is really not rigorous enough to handle something as heavy as the death penalty.

  • KevinKing - 2012-11-28 10:53

    Please provide at least 3000 examples of this....

  • james.looch - 2012-11-28 10:54

    Who says the death penalty is not a deterrent?? In countries where justice is swift and harsh, crime rates tend to be lower. The humanists ignore this in their reports. Statistics conceal more than they reveal!

      mshiniboys - 2012-11-28 11:32

      yeah we might as well end up killing all our people and end up with nothing.The question is " who says treating your workers well is not a deterrent".

  • raoul.piedt - 2012-11-28 11:02

    We have a supermarket (franchise) in Holland. Since our clients have seen the circumstances of the labourers working for a mere 7 euro per day on SOuth African farms, our customers dont want us to sell anymore South African wines (a lot of bottles of SOuth African wines 'fall' from the shelfs). Now they also ask questions about the fruit from South Africa... We further hear a lot of crimes on farms is done by family under the cover of farmmurder. Even a 15 year boy murdered his family to get the farm??? So the conclusion was devastating for the farmers mishandling workers... Action and reaction???

      leila.monroe - 2012-11-28 11:16

      My friend you have NO idea of what's happening in South Africa regarding farm murders.. MOST farm murders committed aren't even recorded, the brutality of these murders on white farmers will never reach the news.. So don't talk about things u know nothing about.. Stay in Holland and sell ur wine, ur customers loss if u don't want to sell SA wines anymore.. Or sell ur business and come live on a farm in SA as a white farmer, u wouldn't last... Don't use big words and silly comments u don't understand.. Google farm murders in South Africa, and try try look at some pictures of the victims whom was burnt by boiling water and irons, dragged behind the cars, eyes stabbed out.. Enough said

      mshiniboys - 2012-11-28 11:30

      At least farmers and their supporters are listening.Who is chasing away investors now between the man who does not want to pay and the one that is fighting for something that is rightfully theirs?

      james.looch - 2012-11-28 11:31

      Selecting an odd example does not make a Dutchman an expert on the situation in South Africa. There are such examples in every country. Compare what you have stated with the real facts and hang your head in shame!

      mshiniboys - 2012-11-28 11:40

      leila.monroe I think you are confusing the farm worker who was dragged behind a car by his employer as a farmer?

      leila.monroe - 2012-11-28 11:44

      @mshiniboys NOBODY is denying it, and that has been exposed and widely reported on, AND is just as sickening! I'm saying the cases where farmers (white farmers) get brutelly murdered never reach the news to its full story.. Its hate crime...

      vlammie.pilot - 2012-11-28 12:19

      Well the dutch are a bunch of dope smoking retards. Let them stay in their stupid liberal glasshouses.

      james.ellman - 2012-11-28 13:41

      Vlammie, I am a SA citizen living abroad. I also detest farm killings, but I also detest right-wingers like you, because its sCuM like you who give SA a bad name. You are no better then the farm killers who also give SA a bad name. Your type are 50% to blame why SA will soon be failed state, but you are too stupid to realize that.

      james.ellman - 2012-11-28 13:50

      Vlammie, the dutch may be dope smoking retards... but you may soon have to seen asylum with those smoke doping retards, if you do not stop your racist attitude (your attitude is dividing the country). Those dope smokers still run their country far better than either the white of black SA govts ever did.

      Daniel - 2012-11-28 14:11

      I certainly do not support Vlammies way of dealing with this, but I understand his frustration very well. It is probably because you are living abroad, James, that you are concerned about a country that might become divided. Unity is a 1994 sales slogan, my friend, time you realise that doesn't exist in this country any longer. The Rainbow nation failed, the ANC failed, the country is failing and for every white Vlammie there are 100 black Vlammies.

      DarrenCooper68 - 2012-11-28 17:02

      Read up a bit more. The farmers pay the wages prescribed by the government of the day. Wages are prescribed by sectoral determination and the farmers do not even have a mandate to negotiate directly with the employees. This is done as Bargaining Council level.....

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-11-29 16:09

      Raoul, did you know that it was a pure bred Kaaskop Dutchman like yourself that was the architect in chief of Apartheid?Not an Afrikaner!!! His name was Hendrik Verwoerd and he had no family history in South Africa apart from immigrating here when he was six years old. google him up and you will be shocked!!! Have a nice day.

  • raoul.piedt - 2012-11-28 11:03

    We have a supermarket (franchise) in Holland. Since our clients have seen the circumstances of the labourers working for a mere 7 euro per day on SOuth African farms, our customers dont want us to sell anymore South African wines (a lot of bottles of SOuth African wines 'fall' from the shelfs). Now they also ask questions about the fruit from South Africa... We further hear a lot of crimes on farms is done by family under the cover of farmmurder. Even a 15 year boy murdered his family to get the farm??? So the conclusion was devastating for the farmers mishandling workers... Action and reaction???

      oistar.tutu.9 - 2012-11-28 11:20

      Easy o sit in Dyke-land and pass judgement. You may have heard one or two stories of farmers passing off the mureder to look like blacks (Shrien Dewani case in point). The bottom line is that the labourers in your dyke country do not sit on their arses all day expecting handouts. The minimum wage in Germany for instance, is far higher than here, but then the output is so much higher. You know Raoul, sometimes it is better not to pass a comment on heresay.

      heinrich.crouse - 2012-11-28 11:24

      Raoul. 1. Minimum wage is set by the government. ANC government. Many farmers pay their workers more than that, even if they do not have to. 2. You "hear" a "lot" of crimes are done under the cover of farmmurder by the victims' own family? Really? Does that seem very likely to you? Does it not perhaps seem more likely that when the president of the country sings "Kill the Boer" (only symbolically, of course) some of the millions that cannot read, never mind distinguish metaphor from reality, might take him literally? 3. People get mistreated in all spheres of capitalism. But it is only on farms that torture/murder is the norm. So think a little before you trot out your action/reaction thesis. It might not be that simple.

      mshiniboys - 2012-11-28 11:29

      At least farmers and their supporters are listening.Who is chasing away investors now between the man who does not want to pay and the one that is fighting for something that is rightfully theirs?

      oistar.tutu.9 - 2012-11-28 11:36

      @mshiniboys. What is rightfully whose. On what basis do you make that claim. Where is it ever written that it is the farmlabourers right to own it. If that is the case, why does the McDonalds chip fryer not own the McDonald's. I await your answer.

      james.looch - 2012-11-28 11:36

      Also check the exchange rate and the cost of living. Don't forget the perks like housing, electricity, running water and a food ration. Now see what seven Euro is worth! Also check that the report on the wage is accurate - and shut up about a country trying to survive in spite of all the parasites!

      heinrich.debruyn - 2012-11-28 11:41

      Please come to S.A, buy yourself a farm! Bring your wife, and kids too! Twit!

      mshiniboys - 2012-11-28 11:48

      james.looch maybe you should consider those things when you pay them too...cost of living and education.

      Warren Mudge - 2012-11-28 13:14

      And yet I suppose you buy everything that China forces on you that is manufactured by a labourer who has zero rights and gets paid less than ONE ( 1 ) Euro a day. You are a hypocrite. Are you made aware by your pro ANC press of the damage and killings that are committed by the illegal strikers, and did you know that the 7 Euros is the ANC negotiated minimum wage? The farmers are only complying with government. The strikes are planned to destabilise by the very same ANC you laud.

      Daniel - 2012-11-28 13:15

      I've lived in Holland long enough to know what misrepresentation the Dutch media is capable of - like the time they claimed princess Maxima said the Dutch had no national sense. Let them believe what they want - at the rate farmers are being murdered lately there will soon be no SA wine to drink....

      talana.malherbe - 2012-11-28 13:47

      Raoul I have many friends world wide who also saw what you see and hear what you hear. The truth is quite different from what you hear. Firstly, the farm workers are paid according to guidelines the ANC government set and more, they are also provided housing. Secondly, farm murders occur much more than figures being released. We had to have a court case to stop the hate speech sung by the ANC and ANCYL, kille the boer kill the farmer, even our disgrace of a president used to sing, bring me my machine gun. Does this sound like opressed, tortured people to you??? Do yourself a favour and google Afrikaner Genocide, you will be in for the shock of your life! Then come back and comment on this forum but be fair and then tell your friends over there what is really going on in SA.

      vandeventer.sarel - 2012-11-29 15:07

      What does your farmworkers pay raoul?

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-11-29 16:11

      Raoul, did you know that it was a pure bred Kaaskop Dutchman like yourself that was the architect in chief of Apartheid?Not an Afrikaner!!! His name was Hendrik Verwoerd and he had no family history in South Africa apart from immigrating here when he was six years old. google him up and you will be shocked!!! Have a nice day.

  • disillusioned.sa - 2012-11-28 11:17

    Apart from the brutality, what is happening to the produce that these murdered farmers used to bring to our markets? We are going to have food shortages and then the she shower head will wonder why the re-distributed land isn't producing.

  • Kawasaki1985 - 2012-11-28 11:20

    Absolutely No Consequence or the ANC feel feathers for all South Africans. These bloated fat cats see farm murders (and any other murder) as just another event. These farm murders may appear as Genocide, however, farmers of all races are being attacked. It's pointless deploying the SANDF but rather re-creating the Commando's with SADF veterans (those who served from 1970 to 1997 including me) - with the same authority they had pre 1995 !!

  • MAVHUTSA - 2012-11-28 11:21

    I condemn the attacks but these farmers are not sharing the cake the workers...selfish!

      heinrich.crouse - 2012-11-28 11:30

      Ye. Unlike the bankers and industrialists, ne? There it's all share share share. That's why they aren't getting tortured and killed.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-11-28 12:54

      A baker gets paid to bake the cake and not to eat it. If the baker is not happy with what he gets. it can be negotiate, but he still not eating a part of it..

      Daniel - 2012-11-28 13:13

      Ah yes, and in stead of approaching the government elected by the workers to step in on their behalf, they kill the farmer, burn the farm and blame the dead body for their misery. Typical disadvantaged common sense - waiting today at the bus stop for the bus he burned yesterday....

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-11-28 11:24

    I think news24 should stop writting anything about farm killings, it always turn racial.

      heinrich.crouse - 2012-11-28 11:30

      That's because "Kill the Boer" is racist.

      ryan.glenn.758 - 2012-11-28 11:30

      Hi sthembiso.jali .... We cannot turn a blind eye to what is going on. I do believe that these farm murders are racial and should be highlighted as so.

      Daniel - 2012-11-28 13:10

      If racially obessed black people would stop murdering white fellow citizens because they are incapable of facing the fact that white people want to move on and not sit and wait for the fairy god mother to provide their pap, the media would not HAVE to write about murders. But as long as black South africans prefer to be disadvantaged, we will NEVER sort this nonsense, because we are sick and tired of carrying you on our backs!

      johan.mostert.967 - 2012-11-28 16:56

      "it always turn racial." Because it is racial.

  • mshiniboys - 2012-11-28 11:24

    Let me solve this hullabaloo.The tendency of hiring people from outside the country is the essence of people dying.The hype that they work harder than South Africans might be true.But what about the fact that they are also here to look at your routine and learn the map of your farm or house so that they will come back when you have fired them or when there is no more job and kill you to steal and sustain themselves till they secure a piece job again.They know police do not have their prints on database so they can always get away with it.Stop blaming other people for something that you brought to yourselves.Last week they did say that Brits were attacked by Lesotho nationals.

      charl.malan.12 - 2012-11-28 11:52

      Fake facebook profile, as cowardly as your government I see!

      denise.wilshire - 2012-11-28 12:13

      Take a drive northwards from Polokwane. Look up the hill and ask yourself a question whether all those crosses which represent local farm murders were committed by people from other countries. Do not play the game of smoke and mirrors as our Government does. These murders were not committed by vast droves of foreigners. This is GENOCIDE. Plain and simple. If this many people were killed by the previous apartheid government, or this many people were killed during that time, then there would have been an INTERNATIONAL COURT INQUIRY AT THE HAGUE! Please do not trivialize this. The educated world knows what happened when they did not pay attention to Adolf Hitler. Hitler killed 6million Jews in his death camps. The Allied forces finally went to war to condemn this atrocity. I believe that these people are being slaughtered as an act of ethnic cleansing? NOT CRIME. The fact that some of them are murdered by cross border criminals, does not change this thinking in my mind, as many people share family ties with our neighbouring states. Some of our own Government members spent many years in these very countries and have wives, children and grandchildren in those countries.

      Warren Mudge - 2012-11-28 12:45

      and still you defend the murderers, just because they are black. Your cowardly excuse of a president can stop this with just one signature on a piece of paper, but he is too afraid to because it may seem to his racist supporters that he is perhaps protecting the white farmers.

      mshiniboys - 2012-11-28 13:17

      denise.wilshire you make me grin by comparing this government to the Hitler government while you fail to liken apartheid government to Littler .So let me make sure I understand you...You dream that South African government is somehow involved in the killings that take place on farms everyday and they should be sent to the HAGUE or whatever the joke is?

      mshiniboys - 2012-11-28 13:47

      charl.malan.12 just exactly typical of your kind.I have never been to your Facebook and will never be.When your forefathers came to this place we told them to stay in the mountains and they started coming to our homes uninvited.Stay away from my Facebook its none of your petty business.

      JohnnoBfree - 2012-11-28 14:27

      Mshini, I have read many of your comments and you are such a racist chop. Now all of a sudden it is foreigners doing the killing. Gimme a break, racist chop. Try being part of the solution and not part of the problem. D!ckhead!

      mshiniboys - 2012-11-28 14:38

      JohnnoBeefee So you pop up again...I tell you what, if you see a black racist please let me know because as far as Im concerned...there is none.So stop being a regular crybaby on this platform and be part of the solution too.

  • domenico.pulella.9 - 2012-11-28 11:27

    Nobody should be Mudered; Period!

  • djmain1 - 2012-11-28 11:29

    From the sounds of it, these are definitely not "common" murderers we are dealing with - these are psychopaths. That's reason enough to treat these crimes differently.