FF Plus demands more Gauteng tolls info

2011-05-31 22:31

Pretoria - The Freedom Front Plus announced on Monday that it intends forcing the SA National Road Agency (Sanral) to reveal all the costs associated with the Gauteng Highway Improvement Project.

Spokesperson Anton Alberts said that he would be lodging an application on Tuesday in terms of the Promotion of Access to Information Act to obtain all documents from Sanral that "would indicate what the real costs of the Gauteng Highway Improvement Project have been to date and what formula was used to calculate the tariffs".

He said he would also want to know who was involved with the project.

"It appears that the published costs of the project of Sanral is less than half of the true expenses paid to date and that Sanral did not act very transparently," he said.

The application follows a news report on Friday in the Star newspaper which quoted a confidential report sent anonymously to the newspaper.

The report said that the cost of operating the Gauteng tolls could be as high as R14bn.

On Monday the newspaper reported that "a private company appeared to have acted as judge, jury and executioner in the Gauteng toll road project".

Alberts said: "More and more information comes to light every day which indicates that the process was possibly cooked up and that taxpayers and road users are possibly being caught with a trick by being forced to pay for an expensive project which could apparently have been handled more cost effectively."

  • Neo Genocide - 2011-05-31 22:55

    Did someone speak ?

  • Boerseun - 2011-06-01 06:38

    Rather ask government of their idea to have tolgates all over RSA...that's another looming threat.

  • PMG - 2011-06-01 06:52

    Does the FF plus still exist,Piellie Piet and his mate kortbroek are so far up Zoom Zoom's ass that both of them have totally vanished.Never ever trust an afrikaans leader,they will sell there own mothers for R2-50,just look how DeKlerk sold this entire country down the river.

  • Born To Fish - 2011-06-01 07:09

    It is Simple, Lets all just not pay! If we pay for the Tolls in Gauteng we are going to have tolls all around the country on infrastructure that is 50 years old. DO NOT PAY!!!! DO NOT PAY!!!! DO NOT PAY!!!! DO NOT PAY!!!! DO NOT PAY!!!! DO NOT PAY!!!! DO NOT PAY!!!! DO NOT PAY!!!! DO NOT PAY!!!!

      paulf - 2011-06-01 07:23

      I honestly do not see why we have to pay for tolls. Reason being is that we already are Taxed on Fuel to Maintain the Roads Infrastructure. Now we are burdened with additional taxes, it is not fair to anyone using the roads. This has become a money racket and where is all the money going to? We would love to know this.

      Jules - 2011-06-01 11:39

      If everyone wants to make a statement then in the first week of the new tarriffs just cover your disk and take off your number plates. Then sit back and see how they are going to "charge" anyone for using the road..... If we do not take stand we will just end up paying over and over and over for a service that should be free!!!

  • Wow! - 2011-06-01 08:08

    I go along withthe general attitude of "Do NOT Pay". Let's rather contribute to a fund that will allow us to fight this endless taxation of the VERY few. I can bet you that many will not pay - and they will be predominantly black - AND the law will not pursue them because they are afraid.

  • Uwe Klopfer - 2011-06-01 08:34

    i will probably end up having to pay around R2000 a month for the toll fees. Lets say R1500. I refuse to pay. I can't renew my vehicles license due to outstanding toll fess. Maybe i get pulled over once a month by traffic cops and get a fine for vehicle license not up to date. Fine : R500. I dont pay that either because of all the fines i have received for the last 4 years i have not received one summons. No summons, me no pay. So guess what ? I wont pay :)

      Matt - 2011-06-01 09:49

      Check for back roads... it IS possible. I can get from Germiston to Sandton either on backroads (about 24km from home to work), on M-highways which have no tollgates (33km for me)... 2 ways to avoid the highway from Van Buuren to Sandton which DOES have tolls. Or, I had to travel to Florida as well - normally you'd take the highway (about 40km and with plenty tollgates), so I checked a map and found a route on the M2, Main Reef and Maraisburg - 30km, quicker, and no tolls... DO NOT PAY!!!

  • Moipone Bokaba - 2011-06-01 09:49

    All people who have cars bought from foreign countries with foreign registration i.e. Botswana, Lesotho etc, i suggest who hold on to those cars and if they need fixing fix them now to escape this madness, let's see where the summonses or invoices will be sent..

      Matt - 2011-06-01 10:02

      Question - how do you get a foreign-reg car? I've seen people whom I would not imagine live in those countries with foreign-reg cars. Also, a lot of DRC-reg cars which is odd because last I heard, the Lubumbashi border post was almost impassable by car?

      Matt - 2011-06-01 10:04

      BTW, something the Congolese are able to do (illegally) - in the DRC they don't give you plates on a car, they post you a letter with your license disc and registration number and you must take it to a plate maker who then makes them. So, if you have a friend in the DRC, he can always fax it to you, you get the plates made here - perfect license + DRC plates on your car here but it traces to another car in the DRC. That's how easy it is to have a car here and avoid speed traps, fines, tolls, etc.

      Moipone Bokaba - 2011-06-01 10:53

      @Matt, i can only respond to that off air, you just never know who is monitoring these blogs. (wink wink).

      Matt - 2011-06-01 11:09

      @ Moipone - lol! I can't view people's profiles on this connection :-( When I lived in Durban though, I called the "cars for export" people, the ones that sell 10yr old Jap cars for R20k to people outside SA - he said that if I can show a foreign passport (even a UK one with permits in it!), he'd sell me the car... then I just had to get it reg'd in Botswana or Mozambique and drive back 1x a year. I didn't have the cash back then ... But there must be a way because when I see loads of whites driving Zim/Swazi/Bots/Moz cars, or someone dropping their child off at our creche everyday for months with a Zim car... something's fishy ;-)

  • Matt - 2011-06-01 09:57

    How about we post some backroads to help the readers avoid tollgates? I'll start: JHB - Sandton: M1 has no tollgates on this route Germiston - Sandton: Highway: M2 to JHB (from Primrose: Main Reef Road till before Malvern East, go via Cleveland to connect), take the Sandton turn-off and take the M1 Germiston - Sandton: Get to Primrose, take Main Reef to Malvern East, head for the Convent, pass it, turn left, the right down the hill to Bedfordview. Turn left, carry all the way down (Bruma), turn right into Friedland (Cyrildene), go down Sylvia Pass, take the first left or second right to eventually head for Louis Botha. Then take Osborn or Louis/Ivy; go down Victoria and connect to Athol Oaklands; turn right at Gray Park, then right and right again (Illovo) - at the circle turn right (Rudd/Corlett), go down Rudd to connect to Rivonia Road (Sandton). Germiston-Florida (Roodepoort) - go to Primrose, then Main Reef- after the bridge turn left and head for Cleveland. At the dead robots, turn right and go straight for a while; turn left to get onto M2 to JHB. Go all the way down and when M2 ends, turn left into Main Reef - keep straight - turn right when you see a humped bridge (Edison), go over and keep left - eventually it becomes Maraisburg Road - carry on straight all the way, becomes Goldman - before you know it you're in Florida and cna get to Roodepoort/Krugersdorp that way

      Annemarie - 2011-06-01 10:27

      Pretoria to Sandton and JHB? The Old JHB Road is already congested without the N1 users adding to it? Any other alternatives?

      Matt - 2011-06-01 11:03

      Not sure hey - I've never been to PTA before :-O I know the M1 goes to Pretoria but does that include linking with another highway? BTW - I've noticed that the tolls seems to apply to N/R roads but as yet not on M roads

      Matt - 2011-06-01 11:05

      Question - how do you get to the N3 to Durban from Germiston without touching the new tollgates? I know the N3 is a tollroad but I can budget for that and the N3 is decent, R150 each way once every few months won't kill me, but I noticed that to get onto the N3 to Durban, there are a few tollgates somewhere between Germiston and Alberton, and I see the Springs route is also infested with them?

      Uwe Klopfer - 2011-06-02 11:49

      @matt : so basically want to get on to the N3 lets say at Villiers ? Easy:) you get on the R59 highway in alberton, Michelle Ave or Swartkoppies will work fine. Drive till you get the Johan le Roux off ramp in Meyerton. Taurn left at the top of the offramp. Drive up to T-junction. Turn right. at the first 4 way stop you turn left, over the klip river. Next 4 way stop you turn right (old midvaal racetrack acrros on the left). You drive up to the T-Junction and turn left. This road takes you to Villiers and you join the N3 just across the Vaal river and you need to pay the toll at Villiers. Hope it helps :)

  • GMan - 2011-06-01 10:30

    I love seeing everyone mobilizing against this utter unfairness. I will join the racket: DO NOT PAY!

      Matt - 2011-06-01 11:03

      Gman from Gtown or am I thinking of another chap with the same name?

  • Ang - 2011-06-01 11:05

    Do not pay! The German tolls collapsed after 6 months, if nobody pays, what are they going to do, take the whole country to court? It is absolute nonsense that we are the ONLY country in the WORLD that is tolled on Major routes around a city, DO NOT PAY!!!

  • The Flying Circus - 2011-06-01 14:11

    F**K Sanral !!!!! I will not pay. They can try to trace me and everyone else who does not pay. The admin burden in trying to chase up on this will close them down.

  • ir8m8 - 2011-06-01 14:28

    Dah...and you were assuming this was all above board... but the consumers in this province will do the usual, bitch and moan, bitch and moan, boycott for a couple of days and then just give in, wait for the morons of the political parties to fight their fight. Simple: Just dont use the bloody roads, eventually the taxpayer will have to cought up and the roads will be accesible to all again, foreign investors (probably chinese) will be stuck with finger in hole...

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