Faith issue in schools tackled

2013-03-18 20:40

Johannesburg - A team of faith-based organisations is to develop an "anti-harmful" religious strategy in schools, Gauteng Education MEC Barbara Creecy said on Monday.

"The practitioners from faith-based organisations are developing an anti-harmful religious practice strategy to guide and protect learners from spiritual attacks and abuse."

In a statement prepared for delivery at a signing ceremony with religious groups, Creecy said "harmful practices" included Satanism and occultism.

They were being dealt with as and when they arose and were reported.

"The situation in our schools is not at crisis level because teachers also offer spiritual support where they can, but when capacity is required, external help is arranged through districts," the MEC said.

The team will work together with the department's inclusive and special schools directorate to offer support with the consent of parents.

The process is co-ordinated by the department's faith for quality education co-ordinators.

Creecy said: "The strategy will include the role of parents, teachers, and learners and will be in line with the department's religion policy in public schools."

  • Garth Baldwin - 2013-03-18 20:51

    and by anti harmful are we to read pro mainstream religious doctrine?? what happened to freedom of religion? Im willing to bet that as soon as these practices become outlawed the number of children getting involved will increase

      goyougoodthing - 2013-03-18 22:33

      They can take their 'faith' and shove it. There is no place for severe psychologically unbalanced people who believe invisible men speak to them, in my child's education.

      Hein Huyser - 2013-03-18 23:47

      I agree with it, as long as the religion of evolution, using science to promote its filth, is treated in the same manner.

      Art Brigg - 2013-03-18 23:52

      Well, if the kids didn't know about Christianity they wouldn't know about satanism, so the fact is, Christians are to blame for this. I believe the term is "backfire" (since Christians use it as a tool to threaten those who don't believe - aka "hell" which kids use as a tool for rebelling).

      ClassWarTrotsky - 2013-03-19 06:32

      Any religion is harmful to rational thought.

      gemma.vandermerwe - 2013-03-19 08:45

      @Hein go find the definition for religion and then re-think your comment

      Neville Young - 2013-03-19 09:21

      Enough harm has already been done to young minds by mainstream religion.

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-03-19 10:36

      Hein, and the religion of gravity?

      leroy.reynolds.353 - 2013-03-19 10:52

      +1 for th previous comment on gravity lol!

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-03-19 20:47

      And the two prophets, Newton and Einstein.

  • Sarah - 2013-03-18 21:08

    ????? Does anybody understand what's written here?

      Erna Westdyk - 2013-03-18 22:08

      Thank you Sarah - I thought I was the only one who didn't understand!

      debduplessis - 2013-03-18 22:31

      worst piece of writing ever! Full of cliches.. i guess the ANC might understand! But the educated dont!

  • goldd.goldfinger - 2013-03-18 21:14

    Its because of these Faith based beliefs that's why these other beliefs (satanism etc... because without the Bible they would be no Satan) manifest, ..So why don't we just stop telling children all these lies once and for all ..or at most teach them as folktales, maybe, so that the children don't take them seriously

  • dave.leverton - 2013-03-18 21:18

    This is a joke right ? As far as I recall we have freedom of religion as well as a secular public school system. Who gave Creecy the right to decide which religions are harmful. Let me guess, Errol Naidoo and Ray McCauley are involved ? The ConCourt is going to be very busy.

      Rustic - 2013-03-18 22:59

      Ray McCauley is a master of mass-delusion.

      Hein Huyser - 2013-03-18 23:51

      Dave, I will teach my children about my God, I do not need a school or a teacher to do that. My only wish is for the religion of evolution, that uses science as a vehicle, to slip into the backdoor, to be treated in the same manner. It failed in all the developed nations, but watch us making the same mistakes. After all, we forced putcomes based schooling into our schools, why not the other failed systems?

      DamnTheMan - 2013-03-19 08:18

      @Hein Huyser Jews think xians and muslims are wrong. Muslims think Jews and Xians are wrong. Xians think Jews and Muslims are wrong. Atheists think they are all right ... You people, which god are you referring too and how can we tell the difference between your god and any other god ? You people...

      gemma.vandermerwe - 2013-03-19 08:47

      @Hein then take your child to a religious private school where they don't teach evolution and it's "filth". That should give the poor child a headstart

  • Rendani Nemavhidi - 2013-03-18 21:28

    I think now the agenda is becoming clearer. This so called atheism is actually a cover for pro Satanism tendencies. A pupil is killed by her peers who happen to have been deceived into Satanism, the DET is trying to solve the problem as best as they can, the King comes out to warn against Satanism and all these people that are seeking solutions are rubbished. As the works of darkness are exposed by the light of Jesus we shall see those that are compromised complain more and more. Jesus is Lord

      seanrossouwslr - 2013-03-18 21:35

      Yea..not believing a god made the world is actually believing a god made the world and worshiping an angel he made who disobeyed the god,who we dont believe in.

      Robert Coughlan - 2013-03-18 21:38

      Satan is a character in your fairy story Rendani. Without your religion, the concept of 'die duiwel vannie kinderbybel' would not exist. Christianity invented satanism. It fabricates its own demonic enemy as a great excuse to exercise its influence on society.

      Margie Swanepoel - 2013-03-18 22:03

      Where is the proof that this was a "so-called" satanistic murder? Satan does not exist. We do not believe in god or satan. Period. How many murders are committed by christians - but nobody says anything about that. How many children are sexually assaulted and raped by ministers, priests, etc. The so-called Sunday rapist sat in court with his bible every day - so why is christianity not harmful according to you. Please give me one case where it has been proven in court that a murder was committed in satanic ritual. The only people who believe in satan are the poor religious people who believe in god - and they are the only ones who promote and advertise this "devil"

      goyougoodthing - 2013-03-18 22:32

      Jesus, or Joshua ben Joseph, is no lord, he was a man who didn't like usury and got into trouble. That is all.

      Art Brigg - 2013-03-18 23:54

      Hey dummie Atheists don't believe in Satan because they don't believe in God and they don't believe in a 2000 year old religion split by thousands of denominations, pedo priests and money grabbing evangelists.

      Hein Huyser - 2013-03-18 23:54

      Rendani, it is called the religion of Secular Hamanism. Get to know this religion, or you would not even recognize it if it stares you in the face.

      Robert Coughlan - 2013-03-19 00:22

      @ Hein " is called the religion of Secular Hamanism." I must say, I do like me a bit of ham, but I wouldn't go as far worshipping it ;-) You guys make it almost too easy......

      gemma.vandermerwe - 2013-03-19 08:49

      Facepalm Little knowledge may be more dangerous than none at all

  • ancbasher - 2013-03-18 21:35

    Maybe a team of scientists should rather be doing this...

      Robert Coughlan - 2013-03-18 21:52

      True, some robust critical reasoning skills would naturally lead them question the supernatural mumbo jumbo that satanism relies upon. Oh wait, all religion relies upon supernatural mumbo jumbo, so that's unlikely to happen. Can't have children learning critical reasoning then, can we? Heaven forbid, they may think for themselves.

  • Rendani Nemavhidi - 2013-03-18 21:41

    All those that are complaining must just come out clearly and say they want freedom to drink human blood instead of hiding behind freedom of religion. The modus operandi of Satan is to advocate for so called rights whilst the real agenda is evil. At schools Satan gained a foothold by deceiving Govt to do away with Prayer and reading of the Bible. And then whem cat had been gotten rid off mice began to play. God is watching and soon the power of God will overtake and the man of lawlessness will be crushed under Jesus s feet.

      ancbasher - 2013-03-18 21:48

      What garbage...

      Ntokozo V Zwane - 2013-03-18 21:57

      lovely bed time story it would fit well next to a humpty dumpty story book. What makes your religion right ?

      Robert Coughlan - 2013-03-18 22:04

      Be careful what you wish for, Renandi.

      Margie Swanepoel - 2013-03-18 22:08

      Do you have proof of any of this. No - just like there is no proof that your sky fairy exists.

      Bob Wowzer - 2013-03-18 22:29

      Nemavhidi, that's quite enough from you pal. Go back to sleep.

      Cathy De Jongh - 2013-03-18 22:45

      Utter rubbish

      Phae Rayden - 2013-03-18 23:49

      Oh and the billions of people drinking the symbolic blood and eating the body of JC is so much more understandable and acceptable. Crushed under JC's feet, who's the sadistic freak then Randani. You guys can never think straight whilst living in blinding nonsensical fear, so very dangerous for humanity.

      Grant Coffey - 2013-03-19 05:34

      //All those that are complaining must just come out clearly and say they want freedom to drink human blood instead of hiding behind freedom of religion. The modus operandi of Satan is to advocate for so called rights whilst the real agenda is evil.// At no point do your supernatural ideas trump the rights enshrined in our constitution. I'm guessing you would have loved the crusades or the dark ages tho.

  • Ntokozo V Zwane - 2013-03-18 21:53

    This is quite funny to be honest. So everyone must be religous 'freaks' in a country that strives for unity in diversity and this satan made me do it excuse must stop. I wil believe in whatever i choose to believe and not a single soul on earth can tel me diffrent or tell me theyre beliefs are right

      Art Brigg - 2013-03-18 23:57

      Eduan - your answer is "dictatorship".

  • konfab - 2013-03-18 22:05

    I agree, religious faith is the issue. Get rid of it in schools.

  • Jaap Strydom - 2013-03-18 22:24

    Satan was the first to prove that the Almighty God can keep His promise and stand on His word when Satan pleaded to God te be the ruler of darkness until the end of time,so be careful to whom you plead for your own cause what is written in the Bible still is and will be.What will you loose if you were wrong about God and then what will you do if you were wrong if one day you find out to late that ther is a GOD in Jesus through HIS HOLY SPIRIT?

      ancbasher - 2013-03-18 22:30

      Jis Jaap, klink soos Lord of the Rings of iets...

      konfab - 2013-03-18 22:42

      Don't insult LOTR!. The creation story in that universe is relevant to the events in that universe. Unlike a certain chapter of a certain book...

      Cathy De Jongh - 2013-03-18 22:49

      @Jaap Strydom I find it difficult to understand that any human being would think, let alone write, such stinking BS

      Greetar Mondalamo - 2013-03-18 23:00

      that is true Jaap.Absolutely nothing to lose.

      GB Garratt - 2013-03-19 07:35

      Oh dear. A retard who believes Satan exists. Satan is a made up figure to give Christians and excuse to behave badly. "The devil made me do it". scumbag, lying, cheating, greedy, ever-smiling Christian, Hansie Cronje.

  • Jonathan Crossland - 2013-03-19 00:26

    Religion out if schools. We dont need intolerant christian views taught to our kids.

  • Alta Steyn - 2013-03-19 04:52

    @Cathy, it is beyond your rational thinking yes, if you knew GOD and His Son JESUS at all, you would not think it is stinking BS. If the Bible is in deed a fairy tale and GOD is a fairytale creature, why is what is happening in this world right now, all the chaos and mayhem written-up so vividly in the book of Revelations. Open your eyes, girl, God does exist and He is not happy.

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-03-19 10:41

      Because this chaos has always been happening.

  • Alta Steyn - 2013-03-19 05:01

    One last thing, no one on this earth was placed here to do as he or she pleases, especially if it is to the detriment of others, and that includes commenting on this forum. GOD gave people the gift of freewill, to use it in accordance to His will, and not to abuse as we think we should. I really feel sorry for people who does not believe in GOD, because I know where I'm going, but do they? It must be hell not believing in something wholesome as JESUS and having no direction. But the fact is, these non-believers will not realize it until it is too late. We can only pray for mercy.

      Garth Baldwin - 2013-03-19 07:21

      so what you are saying is that we have free will according to your god? that's fantastic and solves this whole issue.. our free will being non xtian is to express our god given right to NOT believe in god. now leave us and our children alone.

  • Grant Coffey - 2013-03-19 05:31

    The only anti-harmful religious strategy is not to have one.

  • Celeste de Lange - 2013-03-19 06:05

    Personally I think religion belongs at home and church/mosque/temple. I am atheist but respect all religions.

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-03-19 10:42

      I don't respect them, I tolerate them. "How do you respect someone who says you will burn in torment for all eternity if you do not agree with them? Respect is impossible at that point. You are threatening me with violence that exceeds the limitations of any suffering here on earth for the crime of not agreeing with your religion. Your holy book calls me a fool (Psalm 14:1-3) and says I can do no good. Your beliefs and your religious texts discriminate against me. They portray me as evil and corrupt. Yet you want me to show you respect?! When you come to me pleading with me that I show your beliefs respect they do not deserve and which you and your religion fail to show me, the only response that comes to mind is a hearty and sincere "F#CK YOU"."

  • Willie Olivier - 2013-03-19 07:15

    I am so grateful that I don't have children in school today; no discipline,no ethics,no textbooks,no prays,no order, nothing! That's why the kids are looking for guidance in all the wrong places!

      FNWitch - 2013-03-19 12:04

      Discipline, ethics, morals, manners, religion etc is something to be taught at home (by example) and not by school teachers. Why on earth would you entrust another person who you do not even know with educating your child on these matters. How many parents take the trouble to find out more about their children's teachers - who they are, what they believe, their personality, etc - yet they trust them implicitly with the most precious gift of all - their child. Sorry - I do not trust anyone else with the upbringing of my children. Teachers are there to teach school work - nothing less, nothing more.

      Grant Coffey - 2013-03-19 18:55

      //I am so grateful that I don't have children in school today; no discipline,no ethics,no textbooks,no prays,no order, nothing! That's why the kids are looking for guidance in all the wrong places! // We're grateful too, there are too many parents who expect schools to teach them values. Not that praying or the babble is capable of that either.

  • deon.duplessis.144 - 2013-03-19 07:17

    this is a prickly pear I would not like to handle. Personally I say in the interest of all religions concerned, and not forcing any beliefs down on any one, religion should be banned at schools, and parents should step up to the plate, and teach whichever religious path they choose to follow, to their own children. Previous years, this were much simpler, but over the past 20yrs or so, not just SA, but the entire world, has just become to diverse to have a cut and dried approach.

  • Gary De Sousa - 2013-03-19 07:25

    Satanism is legal in this country and "faith and religeons" should be kept out of schools. I hope calvinism is includedthen ,remember how good that was?

  • GB Garratt - 2013-03-19 07:37

    This just has to be unconstitutional. We do NOT want our children brainwashed with religious nonsense about talking animals, wizards, witches, demons, sticks turning into snakes, food falling from the sky, people walking on water, zombies flying through the air and all sorts of magical, absurd and primitive stories. Religion has passed its sell by date. We have enough primitive superstition in this country.

  • darkangelBDF - 2013-03-19 08:53

    Religion, in my honest opinion, is a personal thing and thus should be left out of schools completely... I send my kids to school so they can be taught in subjects that will further them in life. Religion is their choice and I hate knowing that they HAVE to learn about the different forms of it when we see ourselves as agnostics. Surely schools are there to TEACH and prepare our children for a future in the workforce... Not brainwash them with the doctrines of religions? Furthermore, satanism mostly happens outside of school anyway. I know someone who was involved in a satanic cult as a teenager and did NOT discover the cult in the school, but rather outside... This is a pure drive, in my OPINION, by christians to indoctrinate our children even more. The more aware they are made of the existence of satanism or whatever 'harmful' religious behaviour this woman is referring to, the more likely they are to get involved. Curiosity did kill the cat after all?

  • Booger Blaster - 2013-03-19 10:38

    Satanism and occultism are in themselves not harmful, just as Christianity/Islam etc etc are not in themselves harmful, don't judge a religion by it's extremists -happy atheist

  • Jan Combrink - 2013-03-19 12:20

    And Who gives THEM the authority on what is right.. ?? faith-based organisations ?? _ I will Bet my last Dollar... Their will NOT be ONE Luni-solar Sabbatherian Present at their Meetings,,... NO Thank you keep Your hands off our Children...

  • Rodrigo Marques Brandao - 2013-03-19 14:10

    Luke 10v27, he answered and said, “ ‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your strength, and with all your mind,’ and ‘your neighbor as yourself.’ ”28 He said to him, “You have answered rightly; do this and you will live.” Jesus said in v28 you only start truly living when love Him(spend time with Him) and love your neighbor(who God brings along your path)are you living?

  • Rodrigo Marques Brandao - 2013-03-19 14:11

    Gala 5v13"? For you, brethren, were [indeed] called to freedom; only [do not let your] freedom be an incentive to your flesh and an opportunity or excuse [for selfishness], but through love you should serve one another

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-03-19 20:54

      Tell us the one about Jesus throwing a tantrum because a tree refused to give him figs out of season. That one always gets a chuckle.

  • Grant Coffey - 2013-03-19 19:35

    Anyone wanna get some pasta strainers and insist on some representation if this goes through?

      SarcasticHeathen - 2013-03-19 20:49

      I'll join you. Hehe.

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