Fallout at farm murders meeting

2012-12-06 16:01

Pretoria - A meeting on rural crime between Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa and right-wingers was abandoned shortly after it began in Pretoria on Thursday.

Mthethwa said afterwards he took exception to the mention of the African National Congress at the beginning of the deliberations.

"As we started, the delegation raised issues about the ANC. I can’t talk about ANC matters on a government platform," he said.

"We were ready so that if there was anything that relates to crime matters we would attend it. We actually had to cancel the meeting."

The parties held separate news briefings, starting with Mthethwa and national police chief General Riah Phiyega, then leaders of the rightwing movement, Gelofte Volk (People of the Covenant).

Gelofte Volk leader Andre Visagie said the "Boer leaders" of three organisations - Gelofte Volk, the Afrikaner Weerstandsbeweging (AWB) and the Commando Corps - wanted to discuss farm murders with Mthethwa.

"We wanted to discuss the security situation in South Africa. I had submitted the agenda of the meeting to the PA (personal assistant) of the minister," he said.

"It became clear that the minister was not informed [about the agenda] by his people. He told us that he didn’t know what we had on the agenda."

Visagie said that at the use of the word "ANC" instead of "government", the minister became upset.

"My perception is that it is the same thing because the ANC is the government. I said we are not sure whether the ANC supports the riots [at farm wage-related protests]," he said.

"He [Mthethwa] said 'now you are making it a political thing'."

Visagie is former general secretary of the AWB.

In 2010, he resigned to start the Gelofte Volk Republikeine, and said he wanted to fulfil a promise he made to slain AWB leader Eugene Terre'Blanche.

Visagie accused police of turning a blind eye to the violent protests accompanied by destruction of property by striking farmworkers in the Western Cape.

"We wanted to discuss with him what our people should do in circumstances when police are just audience, looking at damage being done to property."

Visagie said if happened again, his organisation would intervene and protect the farms.

Asked what they would do, he said he would be taking his firearm to the turbulent areas.

"I will take my legal firearm with me, I will go down to the Western Cape and book in at one of the farms being threatened," he said.

"If it comes to [the] push, I am going to help that farmer to protect his property, because the police have failed to do it."

  • surfing.sam.9 - 2012-12-06 16:10

    "If it comes to [the] push, I am going to help that farmer to protect his property, because the police have failed to do it." I do not support far right wings, hence I do not support the anc, but it is time we all start to protect what is ours, this might be the solution to get more involved. People of all colour need to stand up like this.

      Kawasaki1985 - 2012-12-06 17:01

      @ Me - Just like the Gauteng Highways, great to see a big chunk of 'Unity in South Africa "AGAIN"

      henry.mckonjes - 2012-12-06 17:16

      ANC is left wing buddy

  • bradley.kecskes - 2012-12-06 16:12

    "If you can choose what to bring to a gun fight bring a long gun and a friend with a long gun."

  • bradley.kecskes - 2012-12-06 16:13

    "Have a backup plan...because the first plan wont work."

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2012-12-06 16:14

    Another farce from the anc and it's so-called minister nathi mthethwa. Any reason is a good reason.

      armand.horn.58 - 2012-12-06 17:00

      Yup, they call him a minister. But being involved with so many back hand dealings, I think he is more of a criminal than anything else....... with a one sided agenda!

      colin.dovey - 2012-12-06 17:38

      Much like Joemat Pettersson - an "F" - she looks like Zuma's sister in a past life. The ONLY ANC "Ministers" who pass muster are Naledi Pandor and Dr Aaron Motsoaledi

      om.nom.nom.01 - 2012-12-06 18:42

      A good leader will come prepared. A good leader will take control of a meeting when emotions run high. A good leader will find solutions to an awful problem. Not storm off like a spoilt brat at the first opportunity!!!!!

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-06 19:01


  • bradley.kecskes - 2012-12-06 16:15

    "Decide to be aggressive ENOUGH, quickly ENOUGH."

  • andrew.mackie.90 - 2012-12-06 16:16

    Will the minister clarify for us laymen the difference in the wording - Government and ANC. Is the ANC not the government of the country? Had he been properly informed by his PA a possible way forward and constructive dialog could have taken place. Surely the minister in his top position should have been more accommodating.

      armand.horn.58 - 2012-12-06 17:02

      I think he just wanted a reason to end the meeting and make a scene and look down on the right wingers

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-06 18:58

      Andrew..with you on this...

      mark.a.fysh - 2012-12-06 20:29

      Absolutely agree Renier.

      rupesh.hari.7 - 2012-12-06 23:20

      While the ANC likes to think ANC and government go hand-in hand, they are actually different entity. The government can change through a vote, but not really the ANC. Meeting right wingers itself is accommodating.

  • chirnsidep - 2012-12-06 16:30

    Nothing wrong with wanting to protect law abiding tax payers when the police refuse to do so.

  • mpumelelo.matross - 2012-12-06 16:30

    Whatever happened to dialogue.White people talk to black people (if I have to simplify it) on a daily basis, they smoke together, have fun together but why can't we as South Africans have the decency to have conversations irrespective of colour. Crime, poverty,housing,employments affects us ALL (Black,White,Indian,Coloured,etc).Lets grow up now!!!

      justin.sly.77 - 2012-12-06 17:03

      With you on that Mpumelelo...

      hengu.willemse - 2012-12-06 18:02

      a dialogue must come from two sides... this government and it's supporters are only interested in a monologue - mthethwa has shown you. how may more of our farmers need to be slain before we stop talking to the wolf? action is justified in protection of life and property!

      colin.dovey - 2012-12-06 19:20

      Nice one Mpumelelo - we may all be surprised how much South Africans can be united - irrespective of the ANC crap handling of the country.

      rupesh.hari.7 - 2012-12-06 23:21

      renier - you mean the police minister. I am sure many blacks do want to have a dialogue. Your statement itself smacks of racism and it gives the impression that only whites want to have a dialogue.

      sibusiso.mkoko - 2012-12-07 09:55

      renier.gouws eish y unga vali le toilet yakho on ur face? U just had to riun it ne. Fool

      LanfearM - 2013-01-08 10:32

      @ renier.gouws - I may agree with a couple of your points, but your attitude stinks! Besides, some of you "boere" speak worse English than any of the ministers [so your very unfunny quip of "minista" is pathetic]. You said: "...One day they will be remembered with revulsion, similar to that felt for the Nazi's." Perhaps you should have said that the ANC will one day be remembered with the same revulsion the old NP is remembered with, neh.

  • rob.bayliss.94 - 2012-12-06 16:31

    Now that is an interesting twist....the government is distancing itself from the anc. Sure these right wingers can be more than a little provocative, but really, for a minister to adopt such an approach, in the face of the governments ineptitude or unwilingness to deal with the crimes against farmers and their families, is disgusting.

      LanfearM - 2013-01-08 10:36

      @ renier.gouws - nah, I think there is actually the classic "third force" from outside our borders that mainly orchestrate it. It is no secret that Malema for one, was funded from outside SA. It is more government's complete corruption and incompetence that is to blame. They don't even try to address crime, not only farm murders, all crime, including that against their own ethnic groups.

  • jonathan.birkholtz - 2012-12-06 16:33

    End of the day these people are protecting themselves their families, coz obviously police couldn't care less, but let it be the other way around and its a huge problem and at the rate farmers are getting murdered SA is soon 2 b the next Zim!

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-06 18:46

      It sure looks like it....

  • bradley.kecskes - 2012-12-06 16:37

    "Watch their hands. Hands kill"

  • pushocapture.maake - 2012-12-06 16:37

    A bunch of left outs seeking special attention. If you wanted to talk to the ANC, you invited the wrong person

      justin.sly.77 - 2012-12-06 17:09

      Thats for damn sure, there is no talking sense to the cANCer. They only understand violence.

  • byron.matthews.562 - 2012-12-06 16:38

    Minutes of the meeting: Mthethwa: Don't touch me on my ANC visagie: I will touch you on your ANC Mthethwa: Don't touch me on my ANC! visagie: I will touch you on your ANC! Mthethwa: Don't touch me on my ANC!! visagie: I will touch you on your ANC!! Security is called in and the meeting abandoned. End of minutes.

      angelanair3 - 2012-12-06 17:03

      Well done Byron - I had a good giggle - sometimes these politicians really do act like a lot of clowns - or buffoons! And its amazing how things degenerate into racist ranting! Farm attacks are real. And it matters to the people who own farms and smallholdings - it also does nothing for the stability of the country and affects food security.

      justin.sly.77 - 2012-12-06 17:09


      wilma.hanekom - 2012-12-06 21:15


  • jannie.kotze.7 - 2012-12-06 16:43

    Nathi Mthethw is cANCer. He did the same as zoompie - use R200 000 to build a wall around his private property with police secret funds, i.e. Nkandla style. He will find any excuse NOT to stop genocide of white farmers. That is why he acted childish to walk away from the meeting over a trival issue. Sis!

      christo.oosthuizen.9 - 2012-12-12 16:40

      Just more proof that farm murders are Government sanctioned.The minister knew about the meeting but when the issue was raised he quickley distanced himself from the facts as he is looking after his job.cANCer are paying him to do a job and that job is to ignore what is supposed to be ignored.

  • jairaj.sureschandra - 2012-12-06 16:45

    In my view the farm attacks in our country is gone out of control. So often we hear of families, irrespective of race, being killed in those regions. If, policing in those areas were effective, then I am convinced that such attacks, if not minimised, will be eradicated. But what do the farmers do. They are desperate for help and out of desperation, they turn to certain organisations for help. They want help that's all. They don't want trouble. Can our government help them. Have they. Give our government a thumbs down if you have been a victim of crime. I know I will .......I'm tired of being a victim ..... I know the farmers are ....

      justin.sly.77 - 2012-12-06 17:11

      I completely agree, all farmers want to do is farm. But being under threat of torture and death constantly, drastic times call for drastic measures.

      TaniaSandraSteyn - 2012-12-07 22:38

      Thank You, Jairaj. Very true words.

  • dirk.naude.12 - 2012-12-06 16:46

    Yes, of course we need to lend a hand to the Farmers. These parasites (and FFS I’m referring to the ANC) running the country can't even manage a military with a budget. How the hell are they going to offer protection in the first place? I say shoot the bastard that want to play bandit with the objective to pillage and kill (mutilate). Solution to the farm murders (mutilations) : Reinstate the Commandos asap. "The parasite makes nothing for itself. Its only tools are taxes and tithes meant to trick you into offering what it has not earned.”

      bradley.kecskes - 2012-12-06 16:59


      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-06 18:37

      I concur....

      mark.a.fysh - 2012-12-06 18:45

      The Commando system was farmers main defence. The ANC dismantled it.

  • BulletProof. - 2012-12-06 16:47

    "It became clear that the minister was not informed [about the agenda] by his people. He told us that he didn’t know what we had on the agenda." He goes to a meeting and he doesn't know the agenda. What a F****** they know!$@#$

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-06 18:32

      Empty vessels make the loudest noise....

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-12-06 16:47

    Remember Nathi is not very Bright.

      FeebleGastro - 2012-12-07 04:22

      None of them are.

  • jairaj.sureschandra - 2012-12-06 16:50

    In the circumstances in which the helpless farmers find themselves, they should surely not rely on the ineffective Government Police to keep them safe and secure. Surely we are not expecting them to, surely .....

  • phae.rayden - 2012-12-06 16:51

    I had the frightening experience of being caught up in the AWB's 'rescue' of Bophuthatswana in 1994. It was a disgusting display of racism by enraged and disorganised Boers who had their @asses whipped. We don't want you to help, you've done enough damage already thank you. On a different note Mtethwa is a snake, and he's playing these guys for fools. We desperately need a solution, but not with these idiots, both sides have their own twisted racist agendas.

      omo.naija.750 - 2012-12-10 17:57

      renier.gouws.33 - You need to have your head examined if this is the type of demonic argument you think you want to present in regards to that incident.Those men were cowards who shot and killed unarmed black people.They got less than what they deserved ,they should have been boiled alive in a cooking pot.I sympathize with farmers and hope that they get a solution to this crisis but i don't sympathize with racists like you who can lie so blatantly when there is video evidence of what really happened. You really have to have a cold heart to justify what Eugene and his band of animals did on that day.

      omo.naija.750 - 2012-12-10 18:17

      @phae.rayden - Well said,these racist right wingers are using the plight of the farmers to promote their agendas and unfortunately the ANC does not give a damn.I will like to help the farmers and i know a lot of guys who will like to help. Contrary to what some right wing media wants you to believe not every blackman wants to kill a Boer. Day in day out there are several Africans who condemn this barbaric acts but the right wingers pretend that only whites condemn farm murders.The farm murders have gone beyond racism ,it is now in a stage of total anarchy and savagery. There are people who are willing to help but these farmers are not doing themselves any favor by joining racist organizations. The other day i saw in the papers where some white guys tied the doll of a black person to their bakkie and dragged it through the street.The fact is they won't dare do that in another African country because they will be killed instantly but they do such in SA without any care. How do you think that makes us level headed black feel.Even if we wanted to help ,we will be turned off by such racist acts.I watched several documentaries about farm murders on youtube and 99% of the time racist insults are shelled on all Africans. Remember the behavior of Andre visagie on enews??? Why will any sane person join the AWB after all the blood they have shed??? There are other ways farmers can make their stand without turning into Nazis.

      omo.naija.750 - 2012-12-10 18:28

      The farmers are their own worst enemies because they are alienating themselves by joining all these laughable organizations ,stepping on the new flag while flying the old flag and performing other racist acts in full view of Africans.They must have a change of attitude if there is to be unity.The fact is the farmers are stubborn and most of them are hardline racists so they will not change their behavior.They keep forgetting that they can not get anything done politically without the help of the majority.They seem to think they have some magic power that make things work out.It is about time the few non racist farmers come out and ask for help from the black community. Do you remember the story of the white Zimbabwean farmer who went to pray for the sick commissioner who wanted to seize his land??? That single gesture saved his farm.Today he remains on his farm because the commissioner no longer wants his farm.You see how just a bit of common sense and some show of humanity can turn things around for the better. How many Boers can do what that farmer did ?? I am guessing none ,instead a Boer will confront the commisioner in a provocative manner and in the end lose his farm.The world we live in is not perfect and sometimes you have to swallow your pride and make sacrifices for a better future. Aggressive attitude hardly ever achieves anything especially when you are outgunned and powerless.The Boers need to re think their strategy,it has not not worked and will never work.

  • managa.ndwax - 2012-12-06 16:53

    Move to Australia my man

      louis.hager.12 - 2012-12-06 17:10

      Move back to the Congo my man.

      dirk.naude.12 - 2012-12-06 17:12

      Se gat. Australia belongs to the Aborigines, Wallabies and oke's with funny accents wearing ridiculous looking cork hats - to ward off flies apparently. Ons boere hoort hier.

      justin.sly.77 - 2012-12-06 17:14

      Typical racist thing to say. If a white man complains about crime, he must go overseas. You show your intelligence by your ignorant comment.

      Ritz40 - 2012-12-06 17:19

      And you back to Zimbabwe

      red.anger.37 - 2012-12-07 02:13


      hannesenbrianda - 2013-01-08 10:06

      My move to Aus 11 years ago was a great decision "mate". I am better of here that I would have been in the Republic. Just a pity that your government ask the Australian government to stop recruiting South Africans - e.g. doctors, nurses, engineers etc. Do what Ireland and the US have done and ask the Australian government to recruit the whites. It is a win-win for all, whites can find work in a real democracy, Australia gets their skilled workers and Africans have Africa to screw up by themselve.

  • ian.robertreid - 2012-12-06 16:54

    Let me tell u this? if bandids come 2my place with intent to rob, kill and destroy~ there will be reaction~ not a threat~ a promise!

      dirk.naude.12 - 2012-12-06 17:23

      I believe you, hitting a heavy bag without wrapping your hands convinced me. :)

      rupesh.hari.7 - 2012-12-06 23:24

      I agree. Whether a racist or a bandit or anyone I don't want enters my property without permission, will live 6 feet under.

      hannesenbrianda - 2013-01-08 10:37

      The police will prosecute you as far as they can of you take the law into your own hands - not a threat - a promise. Then you will find the efficient side of the police force.

  • nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-12-06 16:58

    Now what is Nati's problem? Did Zuma not in parlement stated that minority parties have no say in the country? That the ANC and only the ANC is ruling SA. That is why the can do what they want including destroying the country.

  • justin.sly.77 - 2012-12-06 16:58

    I think Visagie is a moron, but I do agree with what he is saying. Police stand by and watch while farmers properties are burnt and their families threatened. Then when they want to defend themselves, the farmers end up in trouble with the law, not the pillaging strikers. This is the typical result of SA justice. The cANCer, oops, I mean government does very little to protect farmers out in the sticks, farmers are getting desperate. If the government is not going to protect them, then it is up to themselves to arm and protect their property and family.

  • jaco.skalkwyk.73 - 2012-12-06 17:01

    If you work for a company that always stuffs up, its not nice being reminded the whole time. ANC is the government. They farm strikes are political. SAPS is under ANC control, Metro Police is under DA leadership. Police got their order from Pretoria. Its clear the ANC did not want to calm the situation, thats why they refused to send in the army. The whole thing backfired tho, cause the facts came out and the problem was not the farmers, but ANC's min. wage structures. That same day the strikes were called off... The problem is also not with SA citizens, but immigrants. So now we have foreigners making demand in our country and we receive no protection from our government. With foreigners receiving citizenship left right and centre, the ANC must make sure that they get those new votes, so they have to show support towards these new votes. The old ANC votes are getting less and less, so its only natural to have a backup plan. Eventually farmers would rather buy a machine to do the work. Its reliable, does not strike and does not murder your whole family and walks off with a nokia 3310.

  • morne.demeillon - 2012-12-06 17:13

    Maarten & Bernard & Chris klomp idiote is julle!!! Hy het nie eers geweet wat was op die agenda nie, onvoorbereid!! Maar die punt is dit gaan oor plaasmoorde!

  • matshane.seleko - 2012-12-06 17:15

    The ANC is a governing party,since it mostly decide on policies and other legislative matters,meaning it may not be wrong to assume it's synonemous to government.Ok,why then didn't the honourable minister Nathi Mthetnwa just say,'Hey you!,watch your mouth,rather say government,not ANC',instead he decides to stage a walk-out?Was the minister afraid of the debate,or was he being plain childish,like it has been suggested?

  • daniel.rossouw1 - 2012-12-06 17:22

    Just shows me that the minister don't want to listen even if it is to Std 8 dropouts. He is a public servant and they are still citizens and he should listen and do something. If it was Zuma he would have listened and he's got no education.

      alan.yates.18007 - 2012-12-06 17:33

      He may have little formal education, but I understand that he does have a 'machini gun' - perfect for the job of defending innocent people on isolated farms.

      sibusiso.mkoko - 2012-12-07 09:45

      Daniel Daniel Daniel! Shud he listen and argue with red-neck uneducated boere fool and stoop down to their level? Cumon!

  • jabu.phakula.1 - 2012-12-06 17:33

    deploy the army, nath is right if they want to talk abt anc mthembu is the right person

  • ignatious.marekolle - 2012-12-06 17:43

    I didn't know that we still have such evil monsters in our land so called left -wingers.

      zapadela.tistarocha - 2012-12-06 18:28

      Left is good,,,,,,,,,,,,,These are right wingers you refer to

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-06 18:28

      Oh my goodness....

      red.anger.37 - 2012-12-07 02:20

      you said it! all you left winger monsters are evil and should all be exterminated

  • siphoza.zandela - 2012-12-06 17:58

    Viav DA VIva, VIva AWB VIVA!!!

  • Karabo Phetoane - 2012-12-06 18:11

    The Minister was just wasting his time with that mindless stooges,you cant get any constructive dialog with them.They must stop abusing,killing and torturing farmworkers and they will see farm murders stopping.

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-06 18:26


  • dewaldt.duplessis.5 - 2012-12-06 18:25

    Viva Visagie! Ek het laas week fotos van plaasmoorde op genocide watch gaan kyk. Ek was so hartseer om te sien hoe klein kindertjies en ou mense soos diere geslag was! Ek het my oe uit gehuil en ek ken nie eers die mense nie. I'm scarred for life! Dit is siek verby en dis realiteit! Boere bewapen julself en skiet hulle moer toe jou familie is belangriker as om op so waglike manier geslag te word. Lank lewe die BOERE! Veg vuur met vuur die dae van niks doen is verby.

      rupesh.hari.7 - 2012-12-06 23:29

      So you feel bad about the farm murders, but no hartseer for girls being raped and murdered in mitchell's plain or are you one sided thinking? Read the newspaper more, and you will see crime is bad whether it is on farmers or others.

      dewaldt.duplessis.5 - 2012-12-07 10:45

      Rupesh I feel sad for all rapes and murders. But farm murders is a unique case as in genocide off white farmers committed by blacks! The brutal rapes and murders in townships is a different case because it is blacks committing it to their own brothers and sisters not us WHITES! if seen what happens in townships because I have black friends who also has been victims but survived the ordeal! We must get rid off the Barbarian black and white! If one off my family members killed or raped someone black or white I would put a shiny bullet between their eyes without hesitation! I'm so sick and tired off fearing for my life and those of others.

      LanfearM - 2013-01-08 11:16

      There is no "own kind" when it comes to crime! Grow up.

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-12-06 19:14

    Mtetwa can run and use technicalities as much as he like, but the truth is that the ANC and government are seen as one thing by most people and therefore both will be held responsible for not doing what is needed to stop rampant crime. At least these rightwingers( More correctly patriots of the Boer nation)had the guts to face this minister, which is more than can be said for many others who just complain but do nothing.

  • Tuyez - 2012-12-06 20:10

    All I can hear here are one dimensional people that sound as if black peole are out there to get them. There is absolutely no genocide here. Black people are dying as well because

      Tuyez - 2012-12-06 22:28

      Renier. We need to stop this polarisation between the races? I do not see the world thru the window of politic or race. Whenever I hear about the murder irrespective of the victims race I feel saddened about it. I have lost love ones in my family but I do not hate the race group of people who did that and their families for that matter. I hate the criminals. I also hate every every criminal, black or white. Thats why I say we must look at the crime as crime not as a race issue or politic. And remember this we choose what we want to believe, I also believe that my opinion does not represent my race group and I also believe how you feel and opinionate on these so called genocide is what you have chosen to believe.

      LanfearM - 2013-01-08 10:46

      Err, Renier, level 7 of genocide watch is denial and level 8 is full blown genocide. Funny how they can call it "genocide", since it is a minority that have been murdered of the white Afrikaaners. Genocide means wiping out or at least trying to wipe out, and entire and distinct ethnic group. @ kenny.williams - have the news not reached you yet?! Rejoice dear ignorant kenny, the song was legally banned.

  • sibusiso.mkoko - 2012-12-07 09:33

    Some1 plz shoot this racist, red-neck, stubborn, arrogant pussy and shut him up for good! Is he the Messiah of the farms? If he dares shoot @ any1 with his gun, alll hell shall break loose. Its a threat!

      LanfearM - 2013-01-08 10:41

      Both of you, sibusiso and renier, are pathetic with your responses. It is people like you that propagate division in our country and make things worse for everyone.

  • byron.matthews.562 - 2012-12-07 10:20

    Geez, I hope everyone had a nice cup of tea this morning to review their emotional responses above

  • khuliso.ratshinanga - 2012-12-12 13:25

    talk talk talk rubish rubish visagie what will you do when farm workers are abused and what is the promise that you made to ET? the minister must ignore these fools and instead engage with Agri-SA

      LanfearM - 2013-01-08 10:40

      I can agree that Agri-SA are the ones that should engage government on these matters. But these matters must be engaged upon, all this violence on farms, not only white farmers being murdered, black farmers too have been murdered, and there are some farms where the workers are abused, but certainly not all! This unrest and murder in the farming sector threatens our food security in this country. Already we are importing a lot of our fresh produce from other African countries such as Kenya and Zambia! Places our ex-farmers ran to after generous offers from those countries' governments to assist them establish commercial farming. I am sorry for those that historically lost land, yet commerical farming is too important, and arable land too valuable, to have it lie fallow or be used only for subsistence farming. That way leads to inflated food prices, imported foods and even more poverty.

  • annie.israel.50 - 2012-12-12 13:45

    The Police have failed in many aspects, CORRUPT LIKE ALL THE POLITICIAN - the people who are busy loosing their farms should take matters in their own hands!! SA is becoming more like Zimbabwe where the "Hitler" of Africa IS STILL IN POWER which amazes me endlessly

  • DezLee - 2013-11-19 18:40

    lol..from what I know about Mr Visagie, he would have been the one walking out. I wonder if the illegal evictions on Piketberg farms were on the agenda? 140 ppl destitute now is probably not as concerning as farm murders I guess?

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