Farmers call for Mulder's head

2012-02-21 19:36

Johannesburg - Deputy Agriculture Minister Pieter Mulder is not fit for office, the African Farmers’ Association of SA (Afasa) said on Tuesday.

"He must immediately do the honourable thing and resign," Afasa president Mike Mlengana said in a statement

"This will give him time to revisit [the] history of this country wholly and not selectively."

Mulder, also the leader of the Freedom Front Plus, said in Parliament last week that "Bantu-speaking" people had no historical claim to 40% of South Africa's land.

Mlengana said: "As African farmers, we are extremely saddened and astonished by the deputy minister’s remarks."

The issue of land reform was a thorny and highly sensitive one, he said.

The National Emergent Red Meat Producers Organisation (Nerpo) supported Afasa's call for Mulder to resign and described his conduct as "regrettable", especially coming from a Cabinet minister.

"His regrettable conduct leaves us with a serious doubt that he is ready to serve in government," said Nerpo managing director Aggrey Mahanjana.

On Monday, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe also took a swipe at Mulder for his remarks.

Launching a book on the ANC's centenary, Mantashe said the first war of resistance was fought in 1659 by the Khoi and the San people.

"He [Mulder] believes the genocide that followed that war left no Khoi and San people... He believes there were no people left."

  • Poloyatonki - 2012-02-21 19:56

    ITS 2012 PEOPLE MOVE ON, for F#$* sake.

      Max - 2012-02-21 20:25

      Well said, just because I am jobless and my great, great, great grandfather once owned a farm now all of a sudden I think I have the right to claim the farm can anyone be so delusional?

      Makatikamusona - 2012-02-21 21:43

      @Poloyatonki - we can not really MOVE on without having the important issues re-addressed. Land is one of the most valuable asset you could possess, I now start to see why most african are crying that they have been sellout during the negotiation, I see what they are blaming the likes of President Mandela. I support what ANC and PAC are saying that land must belong to the state without compensation, and the current farmers if they want they can then be employed there to permamently manage those farm for basic salary of 1million rand. And their perfomance must be closely monitored, so no performance no pay. I am saying this because I see where this is going, very soon and I am saying very soon those farmers are gonna hold us ransom with high food price. Imagine them asking that I give away my Ipad for a sack of potatoes. I was laughing thinking that they might have bought those farm with a mirrors like they were apparently buying tens and tens of cows with a mirror from SHAKA ZULU, SHAKA ZULU how pathetic

      bernpm - 2012-02-21 22:09

      Read: "FRONTIERS, The Epic of SA's creation and the tragedy of the Xhosa People" by Noel Mostert (ISBN 0-7126-5584-0, publishers Pimlico)

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-21 23:09

      Agree, Poloyatonki. makatika : Strange attitude. Tell me, do all black citizens in Zimbabwe have their own land? Congo? Somalia? Nigeria? Botswana? Swaziland? Why are you so racist about the land issue? Tell me, do all white citizens in S.A. have their own land?

      Makatikamusona - 2012-02-21 23:44

      @maseratifittipaldi - The land must just be handed over to government because it is only a matter of time... And who said this Zimbabwe? Congo? Somalia? Nigeria? Botswana? Swaziland? That would mean you could eugene terreblanche,pieter mulder,derby lewis. You like pulling the race card when faced with reality.By the way you have a brain to figure out the answer to your question, but if you struggling then the answer is just two letter NO

      Joe - 2012-02-22 04:32

      @Makatika - The reason food prices are so high (and  will continue to climb) is because government has an inability to manage this economy. You will be shocked to see how much land is already in the hands of government. Farms that were once highly productive are now waste lands. You have an iPad - life's good hey? Hold on to your seat, this ride is going to get bumpy. All this land grab talk is threatening to remove the food from your table. Farming takes skill, determination and discipline. Many farmers have already given up because the input costs exceeds the output costs. Zim people could run to SA, where will you go? Hope you can eat that iPad when your hungry!

      Max - 2012-02-22 05:21

      @Makatika, there are some fundamental flaws to the argument for PRODUCTIVE land redistribution. The first one is, if all the white farmers are replaced by black farmers do you think they will employ more labourers? I don't think so and therefore only the +\- 100 000 new black farmers will benefit. Secondly, if the 100 000 farms are given to 100 000 jobless whites, will the farm as productively as the current owners? I don't think so. So why will the 100 000 new black farmers be able to farm productively? Thirdly, there is two different ways of farming, commercial and subsistence farming. Commercial farming puts food on every ones table, subsistence farming only puts food on the table of the farmer and his family as is the case in the rest of Africa. The people that is crying for land, which one do you think they want to practice? There are way to little black doctors, engineers, dentists, etc. ...and black COMMERCIAL farmers. If the same argument of land distribution is followed in these other areas we must start redistributing the practices of these professional people to jobless black people. How long do you think these practices will stay open? In short, don't break our current agricultural sector because it is providing us with food, DEVELOP NEW FARMS for aspiring black and white farmers which will grow our agricultural sector and create NEW jobs for farm labourers. Don't be blinded by this black and white race card that is played by the ANC to further their own agenda.

      Heibrin - 2012-02-22 06:41

      @makatika: you want the land to be owned and managed by the state, however can you name one state-run enterprise that actually works? Furthermore, you call for a 'no-performance, no-pay' scheme, where are your calls to implement similar schemes at the current state-run enterprises, such as Eskom, SABC, etc?? How many of their directors do you think would have been paid under such a scheme?? Grow up, or at least think before you barf.

      SarelJBotha - 2012-02-22 08:20

      In March 31 2011, a total 1,155,508 Land parcels were identified as State land – of which 1,085,084 were urban, 64,976 were state-owned farms and 5,448 were state-owned agricultural holdings. In addition 41% of the SA land-surface were former black homelands: now also owned by the State and occupied/farmed by millions of black people. Now you tell me how it is that the ANC says whites own 80% of the land. They are liars. We need an independant land audit or eventually the masses will starve.

      bruning.vankriekenbeek - 2012-02-23 10:11

      Mantashe, the Khoi and San are not the people making wild claims about land "stolen" from them by whites. You are. Lol!

      Peter - 2012-02-26 15:49

      makatika - what on earth are you on about. For that matter, how old are you, your idea's seem that of a 5 year old?

      Peter - 2012-02-26 15:51

      If land is so important to you, why then have you made no effort to try to farm the 1000's of hectares already handed over? What is it exactly that you plan to do with the land - makatika?

  • cameronjohnprice - 2012-02-21 20:01

    I dont get what the big hoo haa is about. Was he speaking the truth or not?

      Luvo - 2012-02-21 20:12

      Poephols who don't know nothing or don't have an opinion must stay away from these columns lest their ignorance be revealed.

      Wim - 2012-02-21 20:17

      Luvo, so why are you here?

      cameronjohnprice - 2012-02-21 20:18

      @ wim - good one. @ Luvo - Will you care to enlighten me?

      SarelJBotha - 2012-02-22 08:21

      The truth is not popular with the ANC, that's clearly shown by Zuma.

  • Phillip - 2012-02-21 20:03

    Tell this troll to go to hell!

  • Ben - 2012-02-21 20:04

    They would be more in favour of people squatting on the land to the detriment of all S.Africans. I am waiting for someone to come out and point out the effect that would have on the largest group of people, the poor. Not about what politicians say because they are in it for personal gain.

  • Wayne Maalkop Nelson - 2012-02-21 20:06

    ai y go on about my ground grap no offence bt white farmers are best in farming it a fact meen gongo wants white farmers if he payed 4 that ground then it is his finished so the bunthu or what eva name is must buy the farm 4rm the farmer

  • Solo - 2012-02-21 20:08

    He must be getting desparate to even consider such a statement. It's a shame really...

  • Roche Enslin - 2012-02-21 20:13

    Mr Mulder's ridiculous comments aside, the new SA government is practicing legalized reverse discrimination through BEE and AA policies using the Apartheid as an excuse in a two wrongs make a right logic argument. These policies are breeding broader victimization and discrimination as the majority remain poor, whites feel marginalised and the white and black elite get richer. its a receipt for anarchy on a grand scale. Government think they can throw in a little welfare and a couple of cheap houses and we will shut up and go away and it will all be ok.

      Wim - 2012-02-21 20:23

      Why ridiculous? Because its contrary to ANC myths?

      Ben - 2012-02-21 20:38

      You are right by saying whites get marginalised. I am white but while I can work I will survive no thanks to any law. The biggest problem is that with all this political talk, corruption and the rest there are people who go hungry and I am not talking about white people. The position is not getting better with food prices increasing all the time. In my opinion hunger is as bad for a black man as a white man.

      Lulama - 2012-02-22 07:35

      @Roche, I agree with you, BEE and AA are not helping us as a nation trying to work together but what would work in terms of leveling the field and making sure that the black people that are miles behind white people are brought to common ground.

      tumi.ramotsebe - 2012-02-22 10:07

      Firstly whites are not marginalized big white own coporates and industrial companies also do mention in their job specs that they want only white people, sometimes even make mention of the fact that they want fully bilingual(Eng/Afri)people - now is that not marginalising black 1. @Ben S - LOL CORRUPTION has always been was there in the times of verwoed & malan...why do you think de kock is in prison? some just hid it well and you happen to be in the democratic era where you are privy to some of this information...dont make yourselves hipocrites, white did it in their time and when its done to them they want to cry foul oooouw litte babies shame you are so fragile....pity

  • Luvo - 2012-02-21 20:19

    My take on this was that Mulder was merely expressing the remixed history version that gets told in most white households which goes along the lines that blacks don't have a claim to the land and other nauseating stuff that only whites can believe to justify their illegal occupation of an ill-begotten land.

      Solo - 2012-02-21 20:26

      lol...well said...

      Ben - 2012-02-21 20:31

      Wrong, I learnt my history from history books and I can assure you this is not a topic ever discussed in our home.

      davieoosie - 2012-02-21 22:08

      What do you know about our house holds and what we discuss? It's all in your mind. This land is mine, just as it is yours. Go buy your own piece of it, just like I did. You've got BEE, affirmative action and what not and you are still not satisfied. You will never be satisfied. Even if there is no whites left in this country, you will destroy each other.

  • Alexander-Malan - 2012-02-21 20:24

    "His regrettable conduct leaves us with a serious doubt that he is ready to serve in government," So there we have it, from the horses mouth. To be fit to govern in this country you have to totally unconcerned with fact or truth. Hmm… me thinks that they ANC fit this description to a T.

  • Julie - 2012-02-21 20:29

    Mr Mu Mr Pieter Mulder said that the black people should'nt claim ALL the land in the country! ALL the land does not belong to them and he is 100% correct!

      Heibrin - 2012-02-22 06:48

      @Craig: yes, it's actually quite easy: read the first explorer's journals and diaries, they give history as it happened, including when and where the settlers first had contact with the Bantu speaking people.

  • Barefoot - 2012-02-21 20:30

    I only have a problem with - "bantu speaking people"

      Ben - 2012-02-21 21:17

      Barefoot, google this problem of yours and come back and tell us whether this man used the correct term or not.

  • Solo - 2012-02-21 20:30

    I'm not sure why while people feel this desperate need to OWN Africa.... and when they fail (in the long run)... they point fingers and get annoyingly delusional about reality. It's disturbing to watch

      Craig - 2012-02-21 21:37

      We dont want to own it, we just make it productive and are disappointed when the indigenous peoples cant... It is frustrating watching a Ferrari being used as a chicken coop...

      Solo - 2012-02-21 21:48

      @Craig. Say you are right (which you are not, but I'm just entertaining your delusions)... why do you so concern yourself with what the owner of the said "Ferrari" does with it??

      Heibrin - 2012-02-22 06:50

      @Solo: it becomes our problem when said owner turns around and demands, begging bowl in hand, that we feed said chickens, even though he own the Ferrari, the rights to use it etc, etc.

  • Mzwandile - 2012-02-21 20:30

    Mulder must do an honourable thing and resign as a Deputy Minister. I could not believe that someone in such an office can still use words like "Bantu" speaking people, an apartheid expression to denegrate African people. What a shame living in the past. Anyway no wonder he distort history he must have got that information from a book written by Verwoed.

      Corne - 2012-02-21 21:16

      Maybe you are not familiar with the linguistic and academic term used. Go and do some researsch and you will find that the term is internationally reconised for a group of more than 250 Bantu languages spoken mainly in south and east of Cameroon. No expression to denegrate anyone was used.

      zterblanche - 2012-02-21 22:36

      @mzwandile some people are only alive cause its illegal to shoot them. You are one of those. God, so stupid. Facts are facts. DISPROVE them, I dare you. I don't remember the word Bantu being a racist term? be proud of who you are. Or is it that you cant be?

      Vusi - 2012-02-21 22:37

      I'm going to butt in here and defend the Mulders, even though they don't want my vote. What Dr. Mulder said in parliament was true and now I am speaking as a black farmer's son! My father has been buying his own farms with his own money since 1994. We didn't have the time to sit in the sun and wait for a government to give us land. But all of this is TOTALLY irrelevant in 2012. Our big issue is producing food for the nation. Farming is scientific. People should stop dreaming about farms until they know what farming is all about. The productive farms can not be taken from farmers who have paid for their farms and are producing food for the nation. The Government does not have the resources to set up every farmer with equipment and knowledge to farm productively and scientifically. If all land was taken from whites, then what will I get? I'm black, like the other 45 Million black people. Are we each going to get a farm? The ANC should make up their minds what they are. Are they Communists? Then take all the land and create state farms and see how quickly we all starve to death. Is the ANC a capitalist party? I would think so by judging all the flashy cars. Until the ANC has defined its own policies they should stop sending out these confusing messages that affects our foreign investment opportunities.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-21 23:17

      makatika : Seeing you attack the man and not his logic/facts, I assume you agree with the view presented by Vusi.

      Makatikamusona - 2012-02-21 23:49

      @Vusi I got you trolling basket, you can't even answer a single question, just focus on your book young man. You can only talk when you graduate at the end of year Do you think I am an account type of a Guy, you wrong young man. I buy everything cash otherwise it mean I can't afford I would rather save cash instead. Thus just free lesson for you farm boy

      Vusi - 2012-02-21 23:58

      HA HA HA Makatika! You are so funny! Let me tell you a secret! I always look at the comments to see if you have commented. You know why? Because you have an opinion. You stand by what you believe and that I have respect for. It doesn't matter if we have different views, I admire the fact that you stand by your viewpoint! I'm just teasing you about the T Shirt Brother! I actually like you! You've got spirit!

  • ISO - 2012-02-21 20:31

    After all the land belongs too all South Africans.

      Vusi - 2012-02-21 22:47

      No Iso, it doesn't. It belongs to the man who paid for it. A simple capitalist concept! Or have we become communists while I was sleeping? You get the drift of my story?

      Vusi - 2012-02-22 00:49

      @Craig I don't have to grovel to lick anybody's boots. I grew up in a family that can get up and fend for themselves. What do you think if my father had sat around waiting for a government to hand him a farm, we would still be sitting in a shack somewhere like fools! There are enough fools waiting for Father Christmas. I can look after myself, thank you. So I don't give a s-h---t what Cecil John Rhodes or Verwoerd did. What matters is I'm a free man today and in control of my own destination....and you know what.......very proud I'm not as pathetic as Malema or any of his followers!

      Vusi - 2012-02-22 01:27

      And Craig......while we are discussing the sorry tales of Cecil John Rhodes and 1913.........let me tell you why Africa will forever be filled with wretches crying about those that have. Over the next few decades the divide between rich and poor will just widen, no matter what land Malema might grab someday. I see this pathetic culture here on campus everyday. Guys come to study here to get a "job" one day. In their limited thinking it will be a BEE position and a BMW. Most of them come from disadvantaged backgrounds and that I have sympathy for. But they will never be rich because of their limited thinking. I don't want a job when I'm finished at this university. I will create jobs and use other people to create my wealth. I know exactly what that will be, chose my course to get there and had a long term plan. Often when I read these pathetic cries on here about the white man's wealth, I just sit and laugh and feel sorry for the poor sod posting. At least he has a computer, but I always see him driving off I his little Toyota dreaming of the black BMW. Africa is a train station that has been taken off the main transport route. All its citizens are sitting on the station waiting for the train to come and the train just never arrives for nobody! Look at Zimbabwe. they are starving, they have been free for 31 years but they still are fighting, God knows who????? cont below............

      Vusi - 2012-02-22 01:38

      The wonderful heroic freedom fighters all turned out to be master thieves of the tax income. That resulted in 45 Million of us still living in poverty because the money that should have been invested in manufacturing, has now been spent at the BMW dealer buying a black 750i. R1.5 Million a pop. Do you know how many small businesses could have been created with just the R25.4 Billion stolen last year? Do the math. My point is my fellow South Africans will always be poor because the government job and the BMW was the only motivation. None of them have any long term goals. Life is about choices. I'm going to get these stupid sods working for me. If it only takes a little BMW to buy his soul, then I shall be the unscrupulous devil! So enjoy your journey trying to get back at Cecil John Rhodes. I hope they give you an award one day. You don't want to die without anything to show for your life, now do you?

  • Wiskey - 2012-02-21 20:31

    During December I was in the hartland of the Zulu kingdom. Natal drakensberg. I thought I would see Zulu traditions and the like. What I saw was Koi San drawings in caves. The fact is bantu speaking people are settlers just like europeans.

      Eric Schollar - 2012-02-21 21:11

      @Wiskey. Apparantly some people think its ok to settle someone else's land if you arrive on foot but a crime against humanity if you arrive by boat. Buggered if I can see the moral difference. If SA is to be given back to the indigenous people, the Khoisan have no competition. And remember that they are currently being driven off the last of the wastelands left to them by black and white settlers - in Botswana. Now there's a crime against humanity!

  • Alexander-Malan - 2012-02-21 20:35

    Well done Pieter Mulder for having the guts to say it like it is. I continuously write about merit in the rugby column, here it seem we have to write about truth and fiction and the difference between the two. Black people where not the only people in SA and for damn sure not the first. This is fact, you can climb a wall, jump off a cliff, but it will always be the truth. Funny that white people must accept all there wrongs of the past, funny that we must be only too willing to give back land, which we developed. But it seem black people can take all, with no thought to truth or rightful ownership. Question: is this not exactly what the current government accused the previous government of????

      Mfudzi - 2012-02-22 16:25

      alexander you must just go back to school. remember, there is no white african in the whole wide world and there are no black europeans. finish and klaar

  • Phuti - 2012-02-21 20:38

    ag Mulder is a product of apartheid who believes that blacks should be oppressed.That is why DA is not an alternative to ANC because they pretend as if blacks were never can't claim to have freedom without is the same as a person who buys a car without drivers license .I think blacks should not try to appease whites no no,this whites should understand that this is Africa not Europe.Viva Azapo Viva

      Craig - 2012-02-21 21:40

      Mulder is not part of the DA... ignorant, perhaps a name change to head content would be in order... phutu...

      berni.venter - 2012-02-21 23:08

      Hi Phuti. I am also a free South African and I don't own land. Cant afford it. I am a single parent with a daughter in High School. All my time, money and energy is spent on providing for her. So the question is how much land would each previously disadvantaged person in South Africa qualify for? A hectare each? Population in 1996 = 31,127,631 excl White, Coloured and Indians (those born post '96 do not qualify) And who gets the plot next to the river and who gets the plot in the middle of the Karoo with no water? And who decides??? PS How many mouths does a commercial farmer feed vs a subsistence farmer?

  • Sarel Brits - 2012-02-21 20:39

    Bunch of goat herders what do they know about farming

  • hellodanie - 2012-02-21 20:45

    Malema lies for years and gets away with most of it. This poor man just dares to speak the truth - and now all this racist crap! Why are so many South Africans so afraid of such simple truths?

  • kleurlingaksie - 2012-02-21 20:50

    Wat is dit met die swart ouens,dink hulle,hulle gaan weg kom met die g@m"!s van hulle.Net die dood gaan ons skei van ons regmatige plek,...swart en wit!

      Mc - 2012-02-21 21:05

      Pa pa waar kom die swart mense? Dit is ok vir jou te dwing om Sarah Baartman vir jou te stroop. Sies

      Makatikamusona - 2012-02-21 22:29

      @kleurlingaksie Ehh o kare o thomile go gafa wena

  • Anthony - 2012-02-21 20:54

    Throughout history, there has been dominance of one nation over another in the pursuit of expanding the "empire" of the conquering nation. Look at the Romans, Vikings, Mongols, French (yes they invaded England and won, William the Conquerer). Can those vanquished people now claim restitution? I think not. Even the Zulu nation went to war agaianst other African tribes in furthering their hold on land. Why then, in this day and age should we look to the past and give back land to those disposessed by either being vanquished by war or legislation? If by war, you were well and truly beaten and surrendered, if by legislation, you sat idly by and let it happen, and you were in the majority!! You chose not to fight or if you did, you were beaten by a superior power, just like a war. You gave up the right to whatever you previously possesed and handed ownership to that dominant power that vanquished you. Get over the self pitying, whining and entitlement mindset and get on with your life. Admit that you were beaten by a greater power who brought technilogical advancement to the primitive people of Africa and made the continent a more advanced society than it would be today. You may rightly claim that the colonialist exploited the native people of Africa for their own benefit but the colonialists also reinvested in the infrasructure of their adopted home to the benefit of all. If you want land, work hard and buy it just like the rest of us

      Louw - 2012-02-21 21:20

      Puik ontleding!

      Ina - 2012-02-21 21:29

      Well said Anthony! This sense of entitlement is really getting a bit much now. I know for a fact that we bought and paid for and spent a lot of money, took a lot of hard work by my husband, myself and the children (once they were big enough to help) to improve what we have, nobody gave it to us. It took a lot of going without to do it too, it did not come easy. I have family who are farmers, and they paid for their farms, they did not take it from anybody. Worked jolly hard to make those farms into what they are today. It didn't happen by itself. So yes, if you want land, buy it, and work on it, especially if you are lucky enough to buy one that is already developed, and the most of the hard word already done.

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-21 22:08

      Anthony : That is one way of looking at it, but not very practical. By your reasoning the ANC can merely pass legislation which prohibits white land ownership and then the vanquished must just abide by this. This is still looking at the land issue from a racist point of view. Fact is - we are all South Africans (black and white) and there should be no need for any South African to take anything from another South African without paying a market related price. The drive to "transform" agriculture, is merely an exercise in racial polarisation to ensure continued majorities at the polling booths. It is a sickly ANC tactic which is costing South Africa dearly. Should all the white S.A. farmers relinquish their land to black S.A farmers tomorrow, what will the effect be? Say there are 200 000 white farmers today. So tomorrow there are 200 000 black farmers. Is this suddenly going to increase the quality of life of the other 39 million blacks ? By no stretch of the imagination! In fact, there will most likely be a drop in quality owing to loss of continuity. So the stupid ANC must get off its racist horse and look at the best way of enhancing the agricultural output both in terms of quantity and quality - for the sake of ALL South Africans. I cannot see the ANC taking a "South Africa First" approach on this issue, because they have demonstrated over the past 17 years that it is only the ANC which counts for them. Not you, not me, and not the millions living in poverty.

      Greg - 2012-02-22 10:30

      Idiot!! Think about what you're spouting and don't disengage the brain! The governemnt of the day can legislate to dispossess whites. Militant blacks can kick whites off their farms and possession becomes 9 tenths of the law. Really!!!!

      Mfudzi - 2012-02-22 16:31

      you are hallucinating. ask the rhodesians. they are here in SA right now. but i warn u that time of reckoning is not too far off. remember the constitution is amendable, isn't it.

  • Linley - 2012-02-21 21:03

    what is a bantu? must find a historian for an explanation.

      Corne - 2012-02-21 21:23

      Maybe you are not familiar with the linguistic and academic term used. Go and do some researsch and you will find that the term is internationally reconised for a group of more than 250 Bantu languages spoken mainly in south and east of Cameroon. No expression to denegrate anyone was used.

      Craig - 2012-02-21 21:48

      Bantu is a classification of a group of people based on their linguistic roots. Like Francophone, and Latin based languages (English, French, Spanish etc) Bantu language groupings are rooted in Western and Central Africa. Not only that, there has been extensive research done on pottery analysis by archaeologists, and more recently by DNA testing. An example of this is the origin of a chicken (like the one on the braai!). All chickens have a DNA link back to Central Asia!

      berni.venter - 2012-02-21 23:23

      Hi Linley. Hope this helps:

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-02-21 21:10

    "... a serious doubt that he is ready to serve in government said Nerpo managing director Aggrey Mahanjana" I don't think Mulder is ready yet. He has not stolen nearly enough, and he is always pathetically on time for his meetings. The fool has not even once been suspended with full pay this year. Aggrey Mahanjana - I like the name. Makes me think... Agriculture...Tomorrow is another day.

  • Makatikamusona - 2012-02-21 21:18

    The fact of the matter is Pieter Mulder must resign or the President must just fire his @$$, someone in his position should know much better what and what not say. This means he is one baised individual and does not represent the interest of the South Africans or Government. If he had issues perhaps he should have raised then in the boardroom or something, we are not sure if he is trying to gather some vote from DA for his family party. I was listening to his brother(Cornelius) on Metro FM talk now, the guy he is so racist and he thinks he can create a his family country called Orania within south africa, he can go settle in Indian Ocean for all I care If president Jacon Zuma want to gain the trust of the South African, the trust that he can take decisive action when the need araise, then he must fire this Guy from government immeidately

      Corne - 2012-02-21 21:25

      Cornelius is not his brother - don't be so ignorant

  • Corne - 2012-02-21 21:21

    Is this AFRICAN FARMERS ASSOCIATION OF SOUTH AFRICA for all South Africans or only for blacks ? If it is only for blacks then it is a racist institution that should not be allowed to exist.

  • Craig - 2012-02-21 21:24

    HE SPOKE THE TRUTH! It seems that most of the "bantu descendants" in office are nothing more than arrogant, ignorant buffoons. Once again ignorance and arrogance make good bedfellows Why not use the opportunity to call a meeting of all interested parties to find a solution instead of posturing and mud slinging. In fact, why not ask a farmer fro a solution and leave politics out of it?

  • Solo - 2012-02-21 21:39

    Some white South Africans always claim to only want all of us to work together for the sake of OUR country, but they have one condition... Africans should leave things as they are, them privilaged and owning almost everything and Africans accepting the little they have and that we forget how this unfairness came about. But how when we have eyes and can see that it is not JUST! We are more than willing to work together, but just be fair and stop pretending that there was no land grabbing by your ancestors.

      Craig - 2012-02-21 22:06

      NO - Africans should strive to better themselves instead of destroying what there is and wanting a hand out. Last I heard Piet Retief and the other trek boers was GIVEN land, and the rest seems to have been bought and paid for somewhere down the line... Is that not why we have a land claims court to address these very issues? What more do you Africans want? Who actually grows the food to feed Africa - the politicians or the (majority white) farmers? If they are good at farming, let them farm - how hard is that?

      Solo - 2012-02-21 22:20

      Talk about Piet Retief, more like Piet The Thief. Given land? who are you trying to fool here? Stop with the lies already, they are getting tired and hardly anyone believes them anymore. You got to farm our food because you took our land and cattle so that you (am referring to your boer forefathers here) can have cheap labour. the idea was to dispossess Africans so they cant feed themselves thus your ancestors got cheap labour because Africans HAD to work on your farms in order to survive. it was a clever (and evil) plan but its over now. I believe we can still work together though, but stop with the lies

  • Sasmart - 2012-02-21 22:14

    Mulder did not say that there were no Khoi and San people left...he did say that there were no African people in the Western Cape before colonization. The Xhoza people were settled east of the Kei River. The Khoi Khoi were, in fact, in the Western Cape, and the Cape area makes up 40% of South Africa.

      Makatikamusona - 2012-02-21 22:30

      How old is this Murder Guy

  • sidney.gilroy - 2012-02-21 22:45

    Fact : We are HERE and we live NOW. Not 300 years ago. Fact : If you want to SERVE the people of SA, as we suppose government and it`s officials are doing - you HAVE to be sensitive to ALL the inhabitants you serve and their respective issues. Fact : Pieter Mulder DISREGARDED all the sentiments towards land ownership in this country and put us BACK 22 years in thinking and diplomacy. Fact : Pieter Mulder is NOT fit for office, and I as a WHITE man is ashamed to be associated with him.

      berni.venter - 2012-02-21 23:34

      Hi Sidney. Such a storm in a tea cup. Amazing the lack of outrage when a high ranking Government official steals, lies and cheats! Shame, give them another chance and redeploy them to another province or department. Race has nothing to do with it! It boils down to the 300 year issue was not raised by Mr Mulder, he responded.

  • TawwaTienie - 2012-02-21 23:36

    Hy praat net die waarheid, en die waarheid maak seer. TREFFEND.

  • rvandenheever - 2012-02-22 05:44

    Ok lets do it this way. The farmers break down all their buildings, sell all their cattle, rip up all infrastructure, fallow their fields, sell off their fences, break the dam walls, cut down all the fruit trees and sell it as fire wood. Then give the land back in the same state as it was before it was taken/won/stolen/bought. On the question to whom the land must be given back to. It must go back to the Zulu king, the Khoi San, the Xhosa and Tswana royalty as they where the owners of the land before the white okes arrived. So now we have sorted out in which state the land must be given back and to whom. AND WHAT THEN????? Many people see LAND=WEALTH but in truth land is just one of the production factors needed to create wealth, you also need capital, knowledge, labour and infrastructure. If one of these production factors are missing you cant create wealth. In most developed countries farmers makes out +-3% of the population. There is a reason for this low percentage, farming is a high risk business with very low returns on capital and its very very hard work. So if the land is given back "to the people" they will have 1 production factor inplace and would lack some or all of the rest. DISASTER WAITING TO HAPPEN!!! MY BELOVED SOUTH ARE F... IF THE DON'T GIVE THE LAND AND F... IF WE DO. Somewhere in the middle there must a place where a compromise can be reached. But this can only be done if all South Africans have a common vision and try to accommodate each other.

  • Kevin - 2012-02-22 05:57

    These farmers are part of the GIVE ME LAND FOR NOTHING GANG. They cannot imagine that he is 100% correct.

  • Fredster - 2012-02-22 07:24

    It is sad when the truth cannot be the truth anymore....

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-02-22 08:18

    according to a March 2011 land-registry survey summary to parliament, the SA State already owned 64,976 of the 85,000 (+) ‘white’ commercial farms and 5,448 agri-holdings registered as ‘white ówned” in 1994 – but the ANC-regime doesn’t know the exact extent of its own state-land holdings because its Land Registry Records do not include the 41% of the total SA land surface of 1,214,470 sq km which used to be the independent tribal homelands – where millions of black people still farm and have settlements today. All this tribal land now is also owned by the State although not lodged in any land-registries…

  • Nlgga - 2012-02-22 08:18

    How about we go do DNA testing and see how many "Bantu people" have the Khoisan genes? Most black people have the Khoisan genes so this will just go back to what Malema was saying about the land...all in all Moerlder then agrees with Malema

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-02-22 08:19

    In March 31 2011, a total 1,155,508 Land parcels were identified as State land – of which 1,085,084 were urban, 64,976 were state-owned farms and 5,448 were state-owned agricultural holdings. In addition 41% of the SA land-surface were former black homelands: now also owned by the State and occupied/farmed by millions of black people. Now how can whites then still own 80% of all land?

  • HiJack - 2012-02-22 08:27

    Ok, why does this article state that Farmers call for his head? Exactly how many MASS FOOD PRODUCING farmers does the AFRICAN Farmers’ Association of SA represent? 3? Who cares about a bunch of goat herders and "peace garden farmers" opinions? Also, why are blacks always almost there but never there? The National Emergent Red Meat Producers Organisation. EMERGENT, aka, not there really. Either they are Emergent of from a "DEVELOPING" country or the like! Shame. Do they do that to give themselves a gap that if they stuff up (as usual), they can't really be blamed? Flip, the inferiority complex these guys hang onto must suck badly.

      HiJack - 2012-02-22 09:16

      What program? AA and BEE that you need to get somewhere in life? ...and then still doesn't. Are you in South Africa? What are you doing here? You came from central Africa so F^%$ck Off back up North why don't you? Yeah, African for Blacks. Juuuuuust like the rest of Africa, one big begging dustbowl. WHITES my friend, is the reason you have many of the nice things you have today.

      HiJack - 2012-02-22 11:05

      LOLOLOL. You MUST have read my post from yesterday. I said these exact words: "Every single black oke in SA will now claim some kind of link to the Koi/San. They are as Koi/San as I'm Eskimo". Thanks for proving me right buddy!!! That's strange though... my grandfather is from South African origins. He was born here. And HIS grandfather as well. So you can kiss my a$$, thank you VERY much. The "nice" things are in my lingeage. What nice things are in yours? AIDS and famine? Black "refugees" are running out of Africa and into Europe/Italy at a horofic rate. I tell you what, white people will leave Africa as soon as you get all black people to leave the USA and Europe and come back to Africa... How's that deal? You are the animal that bites the hand that feeds you, and then gets angry at said hand for not feeind you enough. And when the food tries up, you claim said hand was racist towards you.

  • Marius - 2012-02-22 08:41

    ek gee nie 'n donner om WIE of WAT die land regeer nie, net solank hulle 'n goeie job daarvan maak. Ek gee nie 'n donner om WIE of WAT plase en grond besit nie, net solank hulle GOEIE boere is wat produktief sal wees...eenvoudig genoeg. As 'n swart man soos Vusi se pa weet HOE en WAT om te doen dan is hy goed genoeg vir my. Hoeveel goeie swart boere is daar. Hoekom lei die regering nie meer swart boere op wat produktief kan wees nie?

  • Tim - 2012-02-22 09:06

    I'm an archaeologist and I study Bushmen and early farmers. I haven't seen Mulder's argument so I am only commenting on what has been said about his comments. The premise that 40% of the country is not liable for land claims makes sense but is probably not wholly accurate. Most of the eastern portion of South Africa (most of Namibia and massive parts of Botswana) are too dry for agriculture and were not settled by Bantu speaking farmers. I don't know the politics here but based on that simple fact it need be a good argument to prove that territory here was stolen from farmers. If you look at historical records by Burchell, he only encountered Bushmen until he reached the Gariep (Orange) River in the late 1800s. I'm not sure of all the arguments here but I think that if archaeologists were involved our current land-grabbing paradigm would rock.

  • Monica - 2012-02-22 09:50

    Seriously... is it possible that there are no historical records, maps and studies that these guys like this can refer to without embarassing themselves? Come on News24... do a timeline and history lesson to educate us all... erm... how about a SA Facebook timeline of events?

  • Greg - 2012-02-22 10:23

    The reaction to this story is telling. Whites verses non-whites both trying to justify their positions. Africa is the racial battlefield and has been for centuries. Reality check: did the European settlers respect the indigenous population they found here? What happenned in the USA, Australia, Canada, South America. The real history is there for all INTELLIGENT beings to see and discern. Recorded history the European perspective cannot be taken as gospel given the colonial agenda and policies regarding indigenous people. So basically what goes around will eventually come around and now the shoe is on the other foot. Pain for some, justice for others and one day racial harmony!!!!

  • zarin.thomson - 2012-02-22 10:41

    Last time I looked at the history books, they all said the same thing. That the tribes of Africa are nomadic. They didn't understand landownership never had landownership, that is a European invention. Once again the ANC is cherry picking what they want.

  • Sikanyiso - 2012-02-22 11:28

    The comments made by FF+ leader were despicable, horrendous and irresponsible and have a potential of fuelling racial tensions. Mr Muilder should have understood that the Dutch crossed the seas to Africa and the so-called Bantu did not cruise. Theere was a free movement within the continent of Afrika and there were not bounderies.He must look his skin and compare with Africans, it would make it easier for him to get his identity. By. S. Tonise, Port St Johns

      rvandenheever - 2012-02-22 12:47

      Unfortunately not true. Southern Africa was ruled by different Kings and each one had his own area. There was only free movement in the areas that wasn't inhabitat by other people. There were many boundaries, they were just not on a map. Part of our problem today is that them the boundaries was drawn by Britian, Germany and Portugal they ignored the old traditional boundaries. I however want to ask you something. If I immigrate to Namibia I can become a citizen of Namibia after 5 years, why can't I be an South African after 350 years?

      HiJack - 2012-02-22 12:52

      ...because blacks have hangups about colour.

      Mfudzi - 2012-02-22 16:38

      if we have to compensate you it will be just for whatever developement you carried out on the land and not the land itself. if you indeed bought it, you can always produce receipts for which you will be rightfully re-imbursed.go back to holand and reclaim your clan's land. fair enough. julius malema, i will support you through and through. let us mess up our own country.

      bruning.vankriekenbeek - 2012-02-22 16:48

      Mfudzi - You don't have the power to decide who, what or how much anybody will be "compensated" for. Who is the "we" you pretend to be speaking on behalf of? So stop blowing smoke up your @ss my boy, and grow up.

      bruning.vankriekenbeek - 2012-02-22 17:05

      The facts of SA land ownership are short and sweet: 1. Natives never practiced individual land ownership, but 2. Practiced "farming" on communal tribal lands managed by chieftains. 3. These tribal lands lay within defined areas, which were generally restricted to the homelands, or exchanged for ground within the homelands. 4. The black population grew from around 3.4m in 1904 to >44m today. There is no basis for a "claim" to more land other than was originally owned simply because of the increase in numbers. Nowhere in the world does entitlement increase due to the number of offspring. The same land shared by 3.4m is therefore to be shared by 44m. The "claims" are simply ostentatious hot air.

      bruning.vankriekenbeek - 2012-02-22 17:59

      Sikanyiso - "Theere was a free movement within the continent of Afrika and there were not bounderies."(sic) Why don't you try and claim some "free entitled" land from the Egyptians or the Ethiopians and see how far you get with that bit of drivel. Lol!

      Heibrin - 2012-02-23 09:15

      @Mfudzi: Unfortunately your other racist tirade got deleted, however just answer me this: how does the COO of an NGO, with links to Christian camps support a racist like Malema?

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  • kolaiah - 2012-02-27 02:43

    The ANC regime is making the land reform process a sensitive matter because they want emotions of the masses to rule the land grabbing process. Please do not underestimate the intelligence of the white people. You are walking on sunshine today. Tommorrow a dark shaddow of bitter hunger will overwhelm you if you continue to kill the food providers of this country. This is a early warning. STOP HATING WHITE BOERS. THEY ONLY CARRY THE BEST INTERREST OF ALL SOUTH AFRICANS.

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