Fine for racist insult at gym

2012-03-16 10:02

Richards Bay - The woman accused of saying "kaffirs will always be kaffirs" to a lawyer at a gym was fined by the Richards Bay Magistrate’s Court on Thursday.

Ashika Ramdeen, 38, pleaded guilty to a charge of crimen injuria and was fined R4 000, half of which was suspended for five years.

In handing down the sentence, magistrate Godfrey Khumalo said it was “disgusting” that people use such words against others.

“I don’t want to even mention that word you used as I don’t want to remember it. Society needs to be protected against such behaviour,” said Khumalo.

Ramdeen’s lawyer, James Scharnick, reading out Ramdeen’s admission of guilt, said she understood that her words were insulting.

Phrase spoken to daughter

In a seven-point statement Ramdeen admitted what she had said to her daughter at the gym.

“I said it in earshot of the complainant and did not care if he heard [what I said]. I said these words entirely of my own free will,” said Ramdeen’s statement.

Prosecutor Scelo Hlela had asked for imprisonment and a severe fine.

“It is worrying that offences of this nature are commonplace in the area of Richards Bay. Ramdeen should be well aware where this country comes from and maintain that knowledge of that period everyone is willing to forget. What is disturbing is she used the phrase to her daughter.

“Will this country ever move on from racial hatred and intolerance if parents are teaching their children [such words and behaviour]? This type of behaviour must stop as it breeds intolerance,” said Hlela.

The complainant, Jabulani Cebekhulu, 34, said the emotional pain caused by what happened couldn’t be removed by a simple fine but that he understood that the court’s hands were tied.

“This is a crimen injuria case, which is often not taken seriously, and she [Ramdeen] must be sentenced according to the current legislation which governs this offence," he said.

Racial intolerance

“We need to protect citizens from all types of racial intolerance and I don’t mean just protecting black people; there is racial prejudice in our society such as incidences of xenophobia. But if people don’t raise the issue legislation will only come about after an extreme incident has taken place.

“Nevertheless, I am happy people are talking about race, tolerance and the incident since it was first reported in the media,” said Cebekhulu.

Ramdeen had a dispute with Cebekhulu at the Richards Bay Virgin Active Gym on March 7 when Cebekhulu asked her to vacate an exercise machine on the super-circuit.

He said she had “jumped the queue” and wasn’t following the sequence.

Cebekhulu opened a case against her shortly after the racial slur. She was arrested and kept in the cells overnight.

  • RealNikka - 2012-03-16 10:16

    This woman should have used the old racists favorite line "I cannot be racist coz my best friend is black"..

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 10:20

      I say let's leave it and move on.. Mission accomplished, women is guilty, court has dealt with it, apology issued, case closed.

      JohanLombard - 2012-03-16 10:24

      At least she has apologised. We are still awaiting an apology from Juju and friends, regarding their hateful songs about shooting the "boers"

      lindz.kok - 2012-03-16 10:33

      news 24 again trying to stir the racist pot, do you have any white indian or coloured friends realnikkita? anyway old news, im running to court the next time i get called setteler or pink pig and it has happend to me many times in public to.

      methedex - 2012-03-16 10:48

      It is reported today, that the Public Investment Corporation - an investment manager for state institutions - has bought R17 billion in SANRAL bonds. 89% of this investment is made-up of the Government Employees Pension Funds. "Finally it is clear why government wants to save this project at all cost, despite it being unfeasible and despite it receiving so much public resistance. These types of cover-ups were prevalent during the apartheid regime, but never could one have imagined such a huge cover-up in our post-democratic dispensation," said Narend Singh MP, the IFP's spokesperson on Finance and on the e-tolling project. It is now clear that there are huge economic issues at stake. If the tolling project fails, Government will not only have to bail-out SANRAL, but it will also have to bail-out the civil servants' pension funds as well. We believe that this might possibly be one of the biggest post-democratic era scandals to date. I will raise this matter at the next possible opportunity at Parliament, as the taxpayer deserves answers on this matter," concluded Singh. Mr Narend Singh MP, Inkatha Freedom Party, March 11 2012

      Marion - 2012-03-16 11:04

      @RealNikka - please explain what you mean by 'not getting wasted around your white friend - there is a price to pay'?

      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 11:12

      @Marion lol waking up with Mustache made of a permanet marker...putting a pepper in your mouth while u sleeping....all those sort of I have to out-drink him to relax...

      theO rAcLe - 2012-03-16 11:55

      The K Factor word is a word only relax already ... What about "shoot the boer"...maybe we should say we don't like the word "boer" then what.

      lindz.kok - 2012-03-16 12:31

      It may often be that those live long who are slain with words alone, an old norse quote... words cant kill.

      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 13:43

      @Linds if words do not kill, how about you refer to your Niece/Daughter/ Mother/Grandmother as "B!tch, Sl*t,Wh0re,Skank."?? or you dont see anything wrong with that??

      lindz.kok - 2012-03-16 14:09

      look my reply was not an atack on you or anyone els here, i just feel people have become over sencetive, i have been personaly atacke and brushed it off and so should others, but if people that cant defend themselfs are being verbaly abused you should stand up for them.

      Grant - 2012-03-16 14:14

      @RealNikka - if the woman had said "real nikka's will always be real nikka's", would you still be so loud-mouthed? As for racial intolerance - as long as the ANC keeps fueling the fires, it will NEVER go away. Either start CHANGING it, or start ACCEPTING it...anything else is no-man's-land!

      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 14:56

      @Linds so you are saying people are too sensitive when being called a K**fir ...I am also expecting you to say the same if someone calls your grandmother or mother a "B!tch or Sl*t,Wh0re"..They shouldnt be sensitive.....right??? because in your eyes it is something minor

      Gerhard Grobler - 2012-03-16 15:03

      As shall

      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 15:04

      @Grant "Nika" means "give" in Xhosa if someone said real givers will always be real givers I do not see anything wrong with that...I am not getting your point... All of these people who make racial comments are adults...I have seen steve hofmyr say cr@p about black people..But I cannot use his stupidity to attack an innocent white person..If anyone is saying they are racist becaue of ANC ..they really need to grow up. we are adults and we can make our own decisions not to be influenced by anyone...So racist people should stop hiding behind Afri-forum/AWB/DA/ANC for their racist remarks...

      lindz.kok - 2012-03-16 15:13

      you are looking for a fight it doesnt matter what i say, so i will take my leave. enjoy troling.

      Xboxs - 2012-03-16 15:28

      It always unbelievable how white South Africans always seem to defend people who make racist remarks . I have read almost all the replies here and only a few of the whites have actually said they were disgusted by the woman's action. I am so glad i am not a South African. What a sad country this is with really sad people. Always making excuse to be racist and these are the same people who claim to have a higher IQ? I don’t think so! RealNikka don't waste your breath on some of these people they were born this way (maybe genetic) and will die this way, let us hope the younger generation can escape their “mental” disorder.

      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 15:29

      @Linds I am not looking for a fight, I just want to see if you react the same to the situations similar to this one and you avoiding to answer that..The only reasons I asked my Q , was to make sure I understand what u are saying before I call u a hypocrite

      Lif - 2012-03-16 17:09

      Should the president get a fine for doing this? ----->

  • JohanLombard - 2012-03-16 10:21

    This is the correct punishment. Fine all people who utter racist remarks. This should also be applied to all the ANCYL members that sang "shoot the boer".

      marnusmnorval - 2012-03-16 10:24

      WHAT ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT.. the ANC taught us that black people can be racist hehe. but yeah i agree with you

  • Slowboat - 2012-03-16 10:29

    Seems that you can catch Tourettes at all Virgin Gyms, must be something in their water...

      marnusmnorval - 2012-03-16 15:40

      Some people dont know what Tourettes is . Those people go to the police for something this silly

  • RealNikka - 2012-03-16 10:29

    I need R4000.00 for the new Ipad, I need a virgin active membership card ASAP...

      JohanLombard - 2012-03-16 11:23

      Hahahaha! Trust me, your membership fees will quickly tally up to more than R4k so you will end up making a loss! :-)

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-03-16 11:29

      I already have a membership! Waiting for the next person mentioning the word "boer" or wait for it.... "afrikaner". Whahahaha!! So silly.

      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 11:57

      Muttley just go around Targeting people...what do u call a farmer in Afrikaans..."A Boe.." ..."Haaaaa!!! I am suing your @ss, better pay me"

      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 11:58

      Johan lol... I have to make sure that I use a I will be shouting "Yebo" make sure I get my money's worth lol

      JohanLombard - 2012-03-16 12:04

      LOL Nikka! I think if you scream Yebo, Yebo someone may just be charged criminally for attempted murder, and you may not see any money! I think it is better to jump the line at the super circuit. Seems like that is the place where most of these incidents occur.

  • Hermann - 2012-03-16 10:31

    I do not condone what she did, it is not acceptable, but hey hang in there. I am white and Malema called me a thief, even worse he called me a land thief. Malema got away with it. Double standards prevailing?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 10:36

      Move on...

      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 10:38

      Yeah I feel you ...I am back and I was called a Killer and Steve hofmeyr got away with it.. Double standards prevailing?? ""I don't know how the world thinks we should transform, integrate and let go of our prejudices and stay nice, tolerant Christians when BLACKS can shoot a three-year-old child in the head,"-Steve Hofmeyr

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 13:40

      @RealNikka, you offended by what that old lemon says??

      Anita Mququ - 2012-03-16 17:39

      Mnxm wethu!!!!

  • Den - 2012-03-16 10:37


      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 10:48

      Ey dont act as if you the only victims here..Steve hofmeyr calls black people all sort of names (Killers, savages,rapists,incompetent,people who think they entitled to ish other people worked hard for etc...)and the n!gga gets away with it...Lets just be happy one racist is taking a fall for every other racist....

      Lubsan - 2012-03-16 10:51

      Two wrongs don't make it right. I think you're clever enough to understand that...

      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 11:04

      @Lubsan 100% correct

      Grant - 2012-03-16 14:19

      Its not about 2 wrongs! You tell one twin he can stay out to midnight, and the other that he can only stay out to 7PM... do you think he is going to want to obey a rule when its only directed at HIM? Make things fair, and people (in general) will be more likely to play the game!

      Anita Mququ - 2012-03-16 17:40

      Till further notice....yes it is

  • shonisani.ratshivhadelo - 2012-03-16 10:44

    lets the world know that racist is stil existing , more here in PE (jef Bay and Mandela Bay)... we dont have to act like there is nothing hapened. those ppl deserve hard panishment

  • Yolokazi Lethabo Langeni - 2012-03-16 10:48

    Anyone, and I mean ANYONE - black, white, asian, old, young, educated, religious, famous - who takes the actions of one person and apply them to everybody else, IS AN IDIOT. And I don't have respect for them. If 96 black people steal, murder and rape - then 96 black people are thieves, murderers and rapists. If 67 white people steal, murder and rape, then 67 white people are thieves, murders and rapists. Enough with the stereotypes and misdirected anger and fear already!

      Martha1234 - 2012-03-16 13:22

      Brilliantly said!

      dumisiledee - 2012-03-16 14:06

      Yolokazi for president:)

  • Rey - 2012-03-16 10:57

    No freedom of speech in South Africa.

      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 11:03

      Freedom of speech has its I cannot run up to your daughter/Mother/Wife/Sister and just call them "Sl*ts,Wh0re,B!tches etc" and claim freedom of speech..

      Azande - 2012-03-16 12:37

      Speech and name calling are two different things dude, please get a grip on it.

  • Blaine Dillon - 2012-03-16 11:07

    Why doesn't any of the ANC members get fined for singing \kill the boer\?

      Tony Lapson - 2012-03-16 11:14

      Because it expresses peaceful intentions.

      Pieter - 2012-03-16 11:15

      If this happens they can cancel the toll gates because the ANC will have to pay so much

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-03-16 11:48

      What?! Didn't you know that racism doesn't work both ways?? whahahahahaha! Frustrating...

      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 12:00

      @Muttley God gave white people Money and he Gave us the race card...If you want, we can trade any day :) lol

      Azande - 2012-03-16 12:48

      Realnikka hahahahaha @ trading. hahaha

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 13:41

      @RealNikka, I'll see your race card and I'll raise you one govt tender..

  • Rey - 2012-03-16 11:14

    I am sure this lady has learnt her lesson and won't do it again. Also her treatment serves as a warning to others. Isn't that the purpose of the judicial and criminal process. It is a pity it didn't work so smoothly in other cases.

  • Henning - 2012-03-16 11:18

    Aww shame, the emotional pain caused by the woman....grow some balls big boy

      Xboxs - 2012-03-16 16:31

      Next time someone calls you mother a p!nk p!g,remember to grow some of those big balls you preach about ok? doucheb@G

  • JohanLombard - 2012-03-16 11:19

    I am sure that she almost instantly apologised without blaming her heritage, or some other historical issue. She took her punishment and for that she should be forgiven. It does not happen often in South Africa. Usually when people make racist remarks, they defend themselves and even take it to the Highest court. I am not condoning what she said in the first place, but the way that she handled it afterwards shows that she is a better person than most of the others that have been taken to task for their hateful comments. Maybe Juju should learn from this woman.

  • MuttleyScholtz - 2012-03-16 11:25

    So I can actually make money if someone calls me a "boer"? I have never lived on a farm in my life. How rude!? Whahaha! What petty creatures we are...

      Bambanani - 2012-03-16 11:32

      a boer will remain a boer

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-03-16 11:39

      and ignorant people will remain ignorant =)

      Azande - 2012-03-16 12:32

      on a very polite note, is there something racist about calling someone "a boer"?

      MuttleyScholtz - 2012-03-20 11:00

      It depends on the manner which it is used. The word in itself is not racist. It is all about how it is used. Someone (from another skin colour) being angry at me, and suddenly calling me a "boer" refers to me being a white person but in an offensive way, thus racism.

  • Colbrin - 2012-03-16 11:31

    I would like to see that black people also get a fine from a court. i am not a racist, and i dont condone any form of racism, but in this land of us too many black people say what they want and it's never racism.

      Azande - 2012-03-16 12:30

      reference please

      Kevin - 2012-03-16 13:02

      @ Azande: Mfundo Dlungwane writes on Facebook "We must kill all the white babies"

      Barbara - 2012-03-16 13:06

      You call people derogatory names, you are racist. You treat people as if you are superior to anybody else because of your colour, you are racist. You look past the issue and find reasons to say 'ja but ...', you are racist. Don't do these things and you will not be regarded as the racist idiot. What is so difficult to understand about this?

      Azande - 2012-03-16 13:09

      @kevin, is that statement racist? has that been reported to the police? if yes, have the police ignored the report? If your answer to these is yes, well I get the point.

  • DayanGovender - 2012-03-16 11:38

    I so agree - adults are guilty of poisoning the future of this country - I agree the fine is too lenient - people have to learn to think before they speak - you don't always have to make racists comments when dealing with situations of conflict - it not about the colour of the person its about the situation, what would she have done if another Indian person was guilty of the same crime. Don't be ignorant people - deal with the problem not the race of the person. Idiots comes in all colours.

  • Robsschele - 2012-03-16 11:38

    Dave Barnes-----Sticks And Stones lyrics You would have kept those words on your tongue, If you had known the hurt they had done. While your fists stay by, right by your side, Your words they bruise me deep inside. I'd rather have sticks and stones and broken bones than the words you say to me, Cause i know bruises heal and cuts will seal but your words beat the life from me. Sometimes your words are thick as lead, You swing them strong upside my head. But what hasn't killed has made me strong, So i'll take my scars and move along. I'd rather have sticks and stones and broken bones than the words you say to me, Cause i know bruises heal and cuts will seal but your words beat the life from me. Goodbye is the best way that I know, To forgive and still be letting go. I'd rather have sticks and stones and broken bones than the words you say to me, Cause i know bruises heal and cuts will seal but your words beat the life from me.

  • christian.mbiya - 2012-03-16 12:01

    Damn...It's very shocking how South Africans still struggle with the issue of race..and i mean all race (black, white, indian, and coloured) it used to be in the past that ONLY white people were races but let me tell you this anyone and everyone can be races but its all a personal choice if you want to be ignorant and foolish enough to "hurl racial slurs"..I am not even from SA but I must say the moment i got to SA i could just see the attitude and behavior of the various racial groups towards the other. why can't we just move on from the past..yes you were underprivileged and etc..and yes as some colored people say "the government doesn't care about us bruin mense" and i could go on and on but lighten up, hating someone from another ethnic group is not going to change anything in your past or future but its all going to take us in a circle of hate, racism and more hate "screw this", i call to all south Africans to stop being so small minded, ignorant and pathetic grown ups. "do unto others as you would have them do unto you", what happened to that? i mean even Christians are racist!!! it's embarrassing for me as a believer and child of God. I never new I was black until i came to south Africa and it was pointed out to me that I'm black and blacks are all this or that!! practice what you preach that's my last words to you all and that's the bottom line. forget what was done to your great grand father. father, mother great grand mother, uncle, or whoever it's all done!

      timmy.ditsele - 2012-03-16 12:36

      Stay out of south africa.

      phumlax - 2012-03-16 13:37

      IF the sins of the fathers befalls their sons, it is not far-fetched that their pain does too. We know where we come from and the impact thereof, some are still going through the same as we speak. The issues associated with race were never addressed, we rather opted to forgive but we lie to ourselves if we say we can forget. Only people like you can, because you do not have the experience. The scars are still running deep and if we have parents who are still preaching this to their kids, this is still going to be for generations to come. Before you all stone me, i do not say only blacks are victims, racists are from everywhere and anywhere.

      Xboxs - 2012-03-16 16:00

      You are right about racist Christians existing in SA. There are millions of them here. I once attended a church in Winchester hills. First thing i noticed was that my family was the only black family there. Throughout the church service people in the congregation were staring at us like we were some kind of alien beings. Even the pastor threw questionable glances at us during the service. The next Sunday when we attended the church service, the pastor all of a sudden decided to preach in Afrikaans even the hymns were sang in Afrikaans. Funny things is that is an english speaking church and has always been so,so i put 1 and 2 together and got the message loud and clear : blacks are not allowed to worship here. At least they “TOLD” me a polite non verbal way. Ever since then i have avoided any church headed by white pastors.

  • Malcolm - 2012-03-16 12:01

    They need to get the chip off their shoulder!Move on!!!!

      Nkulekweni - 2012-03-16 12:16

      Who is they Malcom? And you need to buy yourself another brain cell.

  • Japana101 - 2012-03-16 12:02

    Hit dem up!

  • RealNikka - 2012-03-16 12:06

    @Theo lol then the Afrikaans people have to go change the whole language and decide what is a farmer in Afrikaans...What is the most correct name for a Farmer in Afrikaans, If I may ask?? coz I might have to go and sue my Pretoria Boys High afrikaans teacher for teaching me hate speech

      Desmond - 2012-03-16 12:25

      Find out where the G is on your keyboard before typing yor name.

      Barefoot - 2012-03-16 13:01

      'm interested in knowing the answer to that too?

      RealNikka - 2012-03-16 13:39

      Desmond... I expected you to be as polite as Arch Bishop "Desmond"

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 13:42

      @Desmond, your racism is as irrelevant as Malema's apology.. FO.

      dumisiledee - 2012-03-16 14:33

      @RaalNikka hahhahahhahhahaha

  • Azande - 2012-03-16 12:28

    indians racist against blacks, thats interesting, she probably considers herself white.

      dumisiledee - 2012-03-16 14:34

      Hawu @ Azande? they do think they are white, haven't you noticed? lol its sooo hilarious

  • Nuro - 2012-03-16 12:47

    But you can call white people what you want.....I love this country.

      Azande - 2012-03-16 12:50

      what are they called thats not acceptable?

      Nuro - 2012-03-16 12:56

      @Azande.....Malema calls us "Rapists".."Criminals"..."Bastards"...and even the government wants to sing songs that encourage people to kill what do you call white people behind their back?

      Azande - 2012-03-16 13:13

      I wont dispute your claim coz i dont know the context of malema's statement, however i have to ask, did malema direct the stament generally to all white people or he was refering to specific white people within a specific context?

      Nuro - 2012-03-16 13:23

      @Azande....please did Malama name those that raped...did he not say all whites should be treated as criminals because we are....When you sing the song "Shoot the Boer" what context is that...can it even be right in any context.....The easiest way out for any one is when they say "My words was used out of context....or I am not sure in what context it is used.

      PB - 2012-03-16 14:42

      Azande, what difference would it make whether it is directed against a specific person or not?

  • Mark - 2012-03-16 13:04

    My Brother calls me a White K****R can we fine him and split the difference? LOL

      Xboxs - 2012-03-16 16:24

      Then your brother needs some serious counseling.Can you imagine your brother calling your aunt a white b!tch? Will that also make you LOL?

  • Barefoot - 2012-03-16 13:11

    may white are saying there are words being used against them, what are those words? maybe 'm also saying them unknowingly so please educate me please. two months ago i was called an 'aap' in afrikaans just for using a public rest room and the guy didn't want to use one that was used by an ape did i go to court? no! not everyone reports abuse. would calling someone an ape be classified as racial abuse? i don't have the time to waste on racists or people who don't know how to speak properly

      Xboxs - 2012-03-16 16:35

      LOL,doubt they will have answer for you.Oh i forgot ,they also said mulungu is a racist word.Watch them play that tune.

  • 1PeterG - 2012-03-16 13:15

    ...and I think the Presidents spokesperson should be arrested the next time he makes a racist statement...racism must go away

  • Lindokuhle Masikane - 2012-03-16 13:24

    The comments here show that we as South Africans hav a long way to go. Not even 1white persn has come out and completely disregarded the racist statement of this woman. Goes to show the attitude white people still have about black South Africans. If u wana b a racist f*ck, pack yr bags and scoot, we dnt need you here. And if u dnt like the fact that black people are running the country, you can go swim with the sharks 4all i care. Nxxay man, asizudlala nina phela.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-16 13:44

      Because we've all discussed this incident, had our say and now we poking fun at it - even black people - you just about 4 articles too late.

      Barbara - 2012-03-16 13:55

      You are right, we do have a long way to do. Because if you cannot even see the support in some of the above comments, nothing will ever convince you. And we can continue seeing the worst in each other ...

      Yolandè Rwaai - 2012-03-16 15:15

      Then they wonder why Black people won't vote them back into power.

      Lukas van Reenen - 2012-03-17 07:17

      Your comment is proof that your attitude towards white`s is racist for indian`s was involved in this incident so pal , I hope your bags are pack for there are no placce in this country for racist like yourself

  • janti.cloete - 2012-03-16 13:24

    Maybe you should google the word and read up on its history to see where it comes from...??? And why it was used...

      Xboxs - 2012-03-16 16:38

      Really that is your stance? You are the second Namibian based blogger who has expressed such views here. And there i was think Namibia a racism free country ,well i must be more ignorant than i thought!

  • Anita Mququ - 2012-03-16 17:47

    Tshotsho maan suka!!!

  • Toni - 2012-03-27 14:32

    The so called K word is deeply offensive and harks of the deep dark days of apartheid. We've all been scarred by it and it is time to move on, not hang on to old racial slurs when we're too brain dead to think of some creative put down.

  • Bianca Du Plessis - 2013-05-26 13:58

    I am 36 years old white female and have never personally had any bad vibes from any race...but then I treat people with respect.

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