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Fired miners threaten violence

2012-10-06 13:00

Rustenburg - Hundreds of the 12 000 miners sacked by the world's largest platinum producer gathered on Saturday to protest their dismissal and mourn a colleague killed in clashes with police.

The workers meeting at a stadium in would also debate how to respond to the mass dismissal by Anglo American Platinum (Amplats).

Some told AFP they would use violence to force mine management to rehire them.

"If they are not willing to talk to us many things will be burnt starting from today," said Hendrick Mpondo, 27.

"If they say they dismissed us we are going to fight against them," he said.

"Right now some of the workers were planning to go and burn the smelters."

Near the Thembelani shaft, three vehicles torched on Friday night lay by the road side, a sign of the violence that has accompanied the strike.

Groups of workers from various shafts made their way into the stadium under police escort, singing and chanting slogans, while a helicopter circled the area.

This came after a National Union of Mineworkers (Num) branch leader at a different mine was shot dead in nearby Marikana on Friday evening.

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Comments
  • jay.reede - 2012-10-06 13:06

    And where is the president ???

      willem.vanrensburg.562 - 2012-10-06 13:09

      Working on his house....lol

      chris.debeer1 - 2012-10-06 13:16

      Target practice...

      joe.smit.549 - 2012-10-06 13:26

      Fatman and Bobbin. Nowhere in sight!

      lsfreak - 2012-10-06 13:27

      ON Holiday... Where else!!! BTW I think, the fuse has been lit and we're in for a tough ride over the next few months. Miners on strike, truckers on strike, airports and ports starting a strike next it the nurses and then the Army (if we still have one) :/ Find your forgien passports now :/

      mukosit - 2012-10-06 13:27

      And where is the ANCYL ex-president? Maybe he can help.

      sirthulani - 2012-10-06 14:12

      Don't blem the president for everything what is happening pliz,I know that you hate the guy so much but js show him a respect for a change,okay?

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-06 14:18

      @Sirthulani ~ WHAT IS THERE TO RESPECT????? Please name me one thing about Zoooomer that warrants respect?

      keith.f.murphy - 2012-10-06 16:01

      sharpening his spear with his six mermaids at the compound dring home made brewered beer !

      long.tom.509 - 2012-10-07 14:21

      Busy nobing one of his 9 squeezas

  • chaapo.sithole - 2012-10-06 13:10

    Then arrest and imprison the lot if they commit any acts of violence. It is precisely because violence has been rewarded in other situations, that you see an explosion of it. These are not workers protesting but thugs who are planning a systematic rampage and destruction of infrastructure with impunity. They have already killed, so why should they be handled with kid gloves?

      freddie.jones.58367 - 2012-10-06 13:54

      Why wait until they commit acts of violence? Arrest them now for the crime of incitement of violence.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-06 14:19

      Shoot the whole bunch of them, now that will be a massacre benefitting the country. Get rid of the filthy scum.... and their branches grabbed from the nearest tree.

      heathway.master - 2012-10-06 19:00

      When I first started working, the first thing my parents told me was not to wipe my behind with my job. They told me it was one of the most precious things a person could have. These strikers have wiped their behinds with their jobs, and the mine should stand firm on never ever hiring them again. Let them learn than everyone is responsible for their own actions, and they must sleep in the bed they have made for themselves. As for threatening violence, they are continuously violent so what is at all different. Let mine security shoot them between the eyes as they carry out their job of protecting mine property. The whole of South Africa is now sick to death of the behaviour of these completely ungrateful and undeserving scum.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-10-06 13:11

    Don't rehire them - or offer them jobs at salaries lower than what you were prepared to pay.

  • george.slade.161 - 2012-10-06 13:11

    Not to Worry --President Viagra and his NEC(Nincumpoop Executive Cadres) made a bold statement this they would not put up with this :

  • singatha.jongihlati - 2012-10-06 13:12

    F**k you!!! Sympathies and all about your working conditions and living conditions,but hell,you can't just summarily burn everything that does not agree with you.Up yours and your intimidation!!

      gavin.lott.9 - 2012-10-06 13:14

      agree 100%

  • aj.oosthuizen.7 - 2012-10-06 13:13

    Okey, this is just went too far. You miners were fired for a legitemit reason: you refused to do your job, and yet you expect them to rehire you? And more so you are threatinging to burn this companies buildings to the ground? This is breaking the law by all means, the company should call in the police, the army if they need too......this has gone on for too long..

  • jacques.h.kirchner - 2012-10-06 13:14

    Marikana was only a hint of what's to come...It does not take a rocket scientist to see that the real sh#t is going to strike the fan soon! Strike season is open people. I work as a logistics manager and can tell everyone that most of the professional drivers I know (non unionised) are against the current strike. They (long distance drivers) are merely following the mine workers' example....

  • jola.jose.7 - 2012-10-06 13:16

    Who cares

  • johnny.potatoes61 - 2012-10-06 13:18

    If they want to be a threat to our society, then they should be eliminated.

  • sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-10-06 13:22

    "If they are not willing to talk to us many things will be burnt starting from today," said Hendrick Mpondo, 27. What is it with people and burning things? I just don't get it. Their attitudes have already cost them their jobs. How far are they willing to go, and who is going to stop them?

      rayno.grever - 2012-10-06 14:13

      They are obviously fond of a lekka braai that's why they burn everything medium to well done

      J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-10-06 15:36

      Hendrick Mpondo should be arrested immediately for incitement to violence. Also arrest anyone who wants to burn, they are surely easy to see. Let the police turn the water cannons on them. - Kathy

  • frans.naude - 2012-10-06 13:27

    I say let then ruin the economy... If they earn nothing they will regret the day they wanted more! Maybe the whites should also start striking... Wonder where the "previously disadvantaged" will be without our tax??

      whatda.fuqbro - 2012-10-06 13:51

      You're being majorly hopeful thinking that they'd learn there lesson by turning the country upside down - they're too primitive to understand cause and effect. The only way to deal with them is to teach them boundaries - barbarianism consistently and rapidly met with brute force. The drawback is that the world is run by liberals who would disapprove of such an approach.

      jacques.h.kirchner - 2012-10-06 13:53

      Frans, it is not in our nature to strike. Can you remember what Thatcher did to the coal miners in the 80's? Although in the UK, it set a presedent for the rest of the Western world to follow. I cannot strike because I WILL lose my job in doing so. That will cause me to default on my bond, my car repayments, my medical aid, my life insurance, my short term insurance etc. But even more importantly, my children's education. Remember, I do not qualify for free schooling for my kids because my wife would still be working...Rather than grabbing opportunities available at bettering the future for their kids by way of free education, idiots like these will support Malema when he visits and disrupts schools to garner support. (admittedly a while ago.) Stop feeling sorry for yourselves. The playing field is not level. It is tilted in favour of your previously disadvantaged a$$! Use it wisely.

      jans.opresser - 2012-10-06 22:38

      frans,you sound as if "our tax" came from LEGITIMATE EARNINGS!? have you not forgotten that "our tax" money came from the spoils of APARTHEID? you also have forgotten that these people striking were only 18 years ago denied any chance at ever having a decent life because of "our tax"

  • joan.darcy.9 - 2012-10-06 13:28

    These people must have been given many warnings to return to work or lose their jobs, in the weeks that they have been on strike. Now it is time to pay the piper. they must also realise that if they burn everything they wont have jobs to go back to.

  • renier.lubbe.7 - 2012-10-06 13:31

    Illegal strike + Illegal violence = against the law! Time for the LAW to step in! Should I cause damage or death to others I will be thrown in jail. If I am striking and do the same I get a police escort to gather with others in order to be instigated to do more harm. Senseless...

  • jacques.h.kirchner - 2012-10-06 13:31

    Although a rogue cop, Cele's instruction to shoot, was the best thing I've heard in years. Hopefully Ria Whathersurname, shares this view. These uneducated thugs won't think twice about shooting at the cops. Fighting fire with fire is the only way to deal with imbeciles. Methinks though that the African way of dealing with wage negotiations will, in the end be triumphant. ANC cannot dare to act against it's bed partner COSATU...

  • hsnam - 2012-10-06 13:31

    Shoot to kill, show no mercy. Teach them a lesson.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-06 14:20

      And shoot them again to make sure we're rid of the vermin. Just when you think you've got rid of rats, they always come back.

  • neilpretorius83 - 2012-10-06 13:32

    1 tsotsi striker, 1 hollow point. SAPS, your allegiance is towards the law-abiding, not this riff-raff. Shut them down.

  • johan.jacobs.33821 - 2012-10-06 13:33

    Threatening the system, without any consequences?

  • acm.munro - 2012-10-06 13:37

    They shouldnt be angry with Angloplats ... after all they went on an illegal (unprotected) strike. They should be angry with the guys who incited them to strike. Thousands of workers don't suddenly wake up one morning deciding to strike. Unknown forces incited them for their own political gain.

  • kevin.gillespie.948 - 2012-10-06 13:41

    I don't think that the unions have clicked yet that these strikes are doing the unions a disservice. The strikers will soon enough relise that they can get more without the unions. So why pay membership fees?

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-10-06 13:48

    In any other country these anarchists would be dealt with swiftly! Just arrest them and be done! We have a bunch of mice running this country!

  • njdejager - 2012-10-06 13:53

    And SAPS does nothing. They are fired. They can be arrested if the do violence or damage. Ship them all to jail then they cant break anything. Where is JZ. He can give them jobs at Nkandla

  • thabo.mkokeli - 2012-10-06 13:56

    thnx to the selfish fatboy Malema now more families wl be out of income.

      rebecca.pooe - 2012-10-06 14:21

      This time it was Vavi,Malemas crew got a raise,after some were killed

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-10-06 14:21

      It's not Malema's fault that they're ignorant enough to believe the bile he spews.

      njabulo.jama.5 - 2012-10-06 14:57

      Its not only Malema and Vavi, its the ideology within Gov that if anything goes wrong we can always blame apartheid. And the mentality with South Africans that violence and intimidation solves everything, an idea perpertuated by unions. I read somewhere that NUM has something like a billion rand in shares in mines/natural resources. Basically NUM is the player and the ref. These ppl shud rather stop paying NUM n fyt for themselves using the legal channels. Lke the Marikana miners ended up doing.

  • marc.schnehage - 2012-10-06 13:56

    Let's hope that Amplats have the balls to meet violence with violence. Take those mofos out permanently!

  • hawthorne1955 - 2012-10-06 14:07

    E violence the choice of stupidity,they are going to ben everthing

  • joeballito - 2012-10-06 14:08

    Time to swop the rubber bullets for the lead ones....

  • frans.vanderpoll - 2012-10-06 14:14

    Just an idea - rig the smelter with explosives - wait for the mob to be in striking distance and than......BIG KABOOM!!

      anakin.skyvader.9 - 2012-10-06 17:01

      Ag nee man!Dan is daar net NOG MEER gebreekte goed wat weer later reggemaak moet word! FFS!

      George - 2012-10-06 20:04

      No smelters, no jobs, EFER. Didn't occur to the geniuses, did it?

  • charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-10-06 14:21

    I wonder what would of happend if it was white people saying they are going to burn something I think the army would of been deployed by now lol

      George - 2012-10-06 20:03

      Perhaps it is time for the overburdened, persecuted, racially abused whites to SIMPLY SAY NO and embark on civil disobedience. No service, no payment. Don't register for e-toll. Don't pay for what is already yours.

  • warren.carne.9 - 2012-10-06 14:23

    Dumb Savages

  • rohin.jadin - 2012-10-06 14:23

    go ahead and use violence. but understand the consequences of your actions and don't your dare go crying that the police / army used live rounds on you. Your choice.

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-10-06 14:30

    Load your weapons and stock up on ammunition. There is a civil war pending.

      njabulo.jama.5 - 2012-10-06 14:52

      LOL sadly and this will be defended by blaming the apartheid gov almost 20yrs after

  • nielletruter - 2012-10-06 14:33

    Out if control animals are put down, do the same with these out of control animals.

  • Pete7930 - 2012-10-06 14:43

    The excitement at the police academy must be overwhelming! Live rounds, real moving targets, a dream come true for all wannabe cadets!

  • njabulo.jama.5 - 2012-10-06 14:51

    I think police should definitely shoot to kill to protect everything against militia. Shoudnt they be arrested and charged for inciting violence and intimidation?

  • Rouen Heiberg - 2012-10-06 14:52

    Nothing a few cases of 5.56mm FMJ rounds wont sort out....but oh no!!...the horror!!!...we cant infringe on their rights!!!..the poor poor innocent harmless strikers!!

  • fshabangu - 2012-10-06 14:57

    Since our beloved country was declared *A FREE COUNTRY* every toothless dog now wants to bite!!!

      Nomzamo Zamo Zamzesh Mfinci - 2012-10-07 06:33

      You can say that again!!

  • richard.lemmer1 - 2012-10-06 15:08

    Do not rehire !! Lots of people will work for half the money these thugs earn !!! Send them back to im and MOZ ! This is absolute BS !!!!

  • shane.asselbergs - 2012-10-06 15:41

    Good luck and have fun in jail.

  • cecil.wright.142 - 2012-10-06 16:03

    These people are nothing more than brainless, barbaric savages. They are only happy when they are jumping up and down with sticks and panga' s in their hands and burning things. My opinion, if the get violent - shoot the whole lot of them

  • sefako.mokgalaka - 2012-10-06 16:19

    The creation of the news24 forum hopefully was to facilitate a constructive debate. I have noticed a trend amongst the participant to ridicule other races just because they look and sound different. Not every poor person is a criminal or a thug. Not everyone who does not like DA is stupid. Not every individual participating in a strike deserves to be shot at like an animal. Names like barbaric, uneducated, blind follower further create unnecessary racial tensions. Next time one utters these words they must ask themselves if their critisizm is suggesting a solution or just noise making.

      acm.munro - 2012-10-06 19:30

      Well said. So sad about the many 'empty' comments, just jeering and critisising instead of coming up with something practical.

      OneChristovanZyl - 2012-10-06 21:39

      @sefako - Thank you for saying this. I think its time people start seeing what you are saying. Blame helps no one. Success helps everyone. @acm.munro - I started teaching people values, beliefs, the way you communicate and how it affects your money and your life. The response has been amazing. The Facebook page (Secrets to Wealth) currently has 4,000 likes and reaches about 60,000 people everyday. I believe we can still make a difference, but we have to do it quickly. This situation is very rapidly spiraling out of control. Soon, we wont be able to fix, we would all need to start again from scratch. I do hope enough people say "enough" - It is TIME to START doing the RIGHT things in the RIGHT way. (Links if you are interested: http://www.facebook.com/TheSecretstoWealth or the blog http://www.christovanzyl.com/blog)

  • eugene.mulder1 - 2012-10-06 18:20

    Of all the violence and loss of income, the mines should claim against the unions and government. The government is having a blind eye as they surely do not care about the country. In having R560 BILION on losses in the previous financial year on capital income!

  • jacques.shepperson - 2012-10-06 19:48

    they would use violence to force mine management to rehire them. "If they are not willing to talk to us many things will be burnt starting from today," said Hendrick Mpondo, 27. Sounds like war talk...

  • George - 2012-10-06 19:56

    I can't understand why a black entrepreneur does not establish a mine, hire the newly freed labour and make a huge success of it. After all we have the largest deposits of platinum. Does it sound like too much hard work? Its the gimme, gimme mentality that is imprisoning these people nothing else. By this time there should have been hundreds of black owned and established businesses. Instead they want to steal what others have built and created. Greed and envy is their downfall as with our so-called ministers in government.

  • hendrik.breed - 2012-10-06 20:06

    Jan Smuts, where are you when we need you?!!

  • Peter - 2012-10-06 20:39

    Savage nation.

  • ntemi.mark - 2012-10-06 20:41

    lthink these marchers are being brainwashed,why they fancy so much when they march they carry all sorts of weapons,thats not a peaceful march as they claim,its like they going 2 war,another marikana massacare is on the way,this has got absolutely nothing 2do with the president of the country,when pple are gonna get it into their minds?

  • ntemi.mark - 2012-10-06 20:50

    l think the 3rd force is involved here,this commission must get 2the bottom of this

  • kobus.oelofse.3 - 2012-10-06 21:28

    oh just drop a bomb .... thats how you get rid of 12 000 rats . easy. There are people who want to work . just F*off with your barbaric inhuman nature , God did not create humans like this. You are an insult to us all in south africa

  • Michael Kleber - 2012-10-06 21:48

    You dont want to work for the money you earn you go on strike , its your right the mine fires you as it does not want you anymore , its there right , now you want to burn the mine down ?

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-10-06 21:58

    Burn....... burn...may they all burn in hell....this country needs workers not STRIKERS

  • rodney.green.9406 - 2012-10-06 22:30

    The first shots have been fired and the first skirmishes have taken place.The economic war has started.