French fugitives 'will fight back'

2011-01-20 09:10

Sutherland - It is believed that the fugitive French couple who are being sought by police are still on the farm on which they have lived for the last 10 years.

"We believe they are still on the farm. There is nowhere they can go," said Gerhardus du Plessis, owner of the farm Hardie, 24km outside Sutherland, on Wednesday.

Dr Philippe Menieré, 60, and Agnes Jardel, 55, have been on the run since Friday when they shot dead a policeman and wounded another. They are in possession of several weapons.

'Fight to the death'

Police on Tuesday afternoon found where the couple may have slept on a hill near the farmhouse on Friday.

"They walked a lot, they know the farm. They know where to hide. I don't think they will give up without a fight. They will fight back if they are found. Especially Philippe will fight to the death."

He said Menieré was a fanatical member of the Ramtha cult. "He will fight until he is killed because then he is apparently elevated to a higher level in the cult."

Menieré, who was apparently a medical doctor in the French Foreign Legion, is also trained in Eastern martial arts.

"He is a thin man. He is thin as a rake. If he eats a piece of meat as big as a cigarette lighter a day, he will get fat.

"I thought they didn’t have money left for food but he said they had enough supplies. They only eat what they need. They are tough and fit and will be able to survive for a long time. They need very little.

"If I had known the French would start shooting when the police went to search the house for weapons, I would never have sent along my sons, Cobus, 28, and Jaen, 26," said Du Plessis.

"Cobus said when the Frenchman saw him with the police, he said, "So you are also here. So bad, so sad."

"In the beginning, we were scared they would come look for us in town. We sleep in different people's homes at night," said Du Plessis.

Helicopter search

Meanwhile, more police members arrived on Wednesday to help tighten the net around the Roggeveld Mountains outside Sutherland.

"General Liziwe Ntinga is now in Sutherland to take over chief command. Colonel Tip Bring is the operational commander," said Lieutenant Colonel Hendrik Swart, spokesperson of the Northern Cape police on Wednesday.

Members of the intervention, dog unit and trackers took part in the search.

"As radio reception in the mountains is poor, a helicopter is used to transmit messages. The helicopter is a target for the heavily armed French, of course, but it delivers a necessary service."

  • Lunga - 2011-01-20 09:15

    Quinton Nassif: The only man that can catch them.

      nikimbeko - 2011-01-20 09:48

      Oh Maybe the SAPS should give Chuck Norris a call......

      Allin - 2011-01-20 09:53

      You're BOTH wrong. Readers Digest can find ANYONE! You can run, you can hide, Readers Digest WILL find you!

      DL - 2011-01-20 10:00

      Mara louw can criticize them to death!!

      Krush - 2011-01-20 10:22

      They should put a bounty on their heads....

      Krush - 2011-01-20 10:23

      Steven Seagal is the LAWMAN.

      maureen.farndell - 2011-01-20 10:40

      It seems Allin's suggestion is the most popular - soooo - by democratic vote we must send Readers Digest after them........... They will never get away!!!!!!

      Lunga - 2011-01-20 10:51

      Clinton Nassif.

      word-of-mout - 2011-01-20 14:05

      Chuck Norris, the Texas ranger. Plus these are his kind of operational areas. And remember, he can shoot a bullet directed to him.

      King Dean - 2011-01-20 14:19

      @Allin - So will the Jehovah's Witnesses...

  • bjorn533 - 2011-01-20 09:19

    They still on the farm I believe, these french peeps probrably built a underground shelter and are right under that house.

      Tshifhiwa - 2011-01-20 11:55


  • Brandon96end - 2011-01-20 09:26

    Interesting story.... The stuff of movies. Scriptwriters listening?

      Logs01 - 2011-01-20 10:24

      RAMBO SA I. Maybe the Police when looking for S&*T and now gets more than they can handle? Maybe RAMBO SA II & III to follow....

      Krush - 2011-01-20 10:25

      Survivor Sutherland?

  • Simon Botes - 2011-01-20 09:31

    This story grows more and more hair every time you hear it! In this article they claim the frenchman shot at the police with a hunting rifle after police had confiscated several firearms from the french couple. Now you say they are heavily armed? So a hunting rifle is heavily armed? lol - Never forget the Anni Dewani murder, it's not always how it looks. Maybe it's time the SAPS investigate more than just the French couple.

  • Simon Botes - 2011-01-20 09:33

    @Lunga I beg to differ - Vernon Koekemoer is the only man that can catch them ;-)

      Liesbet - 2011-01-20 09:42

      Ah, how could we forget Ou Vernie!

  • nikimbeko - 2011-01-20 09:46

    Bring the S W A T team. but only happen in movies.... hahaha excuses for being incompetent.

      Corry - 2011-01-20 12:34

      We don't have SWAT, however, we have the STF which are wayy better. Well, they were anyway. Most of the skilled guys are in Iraq.

  • Martin - 2011-01-20 09:53

    NUKE THEM!!!

      Aobakwe - 2011-01-20 11:43

      lol, thats jackass.

  • Alwyn - 2011-01-20 09:53

    The cops take 4 days on a farm to track down two Frenchies?WTF no wonder the criminals have a field day in this country,where are the Koevoet spoorsnyers?,tracker dogs?Choppers?,,,,This is a joke

      deegidideegs - 2011-01-20 10:43

      They Ovambo trackers in the field searching for the couple.

      Worldwise - 2011-01-20 11:36

      Koevoet was disbanded in 1994 by the ANC. How old do you think the ex Koevoet members are anyway?

      Alwyn - 2011-01-20 12:21

      Actually they are average 47 years old,i worked with them ,and believe me they still would have the skills to find them within a day ,ask our MK friends,O yes and a lot of them are still police members,mainly at stocktheft units,so get your fact straigt before you comment-to Worlwise,or World arse

      Corry - 2011-01-20 12:36

      Dude, you're trackin people in an environment they know better than what you know your dick. Plus they are armed and are french foreign legion trained. They are the real McCoy, not some weekend warriors who play compeuter games and think they have good tactical nous. You go prancing around the area looking for them then if you're so fkn good. My bet is you wouldn't last a day before taking one in the head.

      Alwyn - 2011-01-20 12:54

      Corry i were propably in uniform while you were in liquid form ,but let me explain something to you ,the french foreighn legion or Legion d, hnour is overrated,they were trained for Sahara Type of conditions,and there is no proof that this Frenchie was in The FL, so comment when you have facts

      OuBoerseun - 2011-01-20 13:55

      Alwyn, the saying goes "When I came from Baghdad, you were still in dad's bag"

  • Darwinian - 2011-01-20 09:55

    7 days...50 police result

      Melly30 - 2011-01-20 12:26

      Funny!!! lol

      corro51 - 2011-01-20 13:09

      And your point ?

  • Richard Mclennan - 2011-01-20 09:59

    I love this bit in the article: "He is a thin man. He is thin as a rake. If he eats a piece of meat as big as a cigarette lighter a day, he will get fat."

      brianR - 2011-01-20 14:24

      then they would have spotted him easier

  • DL - 2011-01-20 10:01

    Check the pond for the frogs...

  • General.AlanMuller - 2011-01-20 10:03

    maybe if the police spent less time harassing law abing citizens about collecting and playing airsoft.....

      Ritmas Xitsavi - 2011-01-20 10:21

      true General . inoccent citizen of this country are being harrassed for public drinking and now they police are faced with the reality thet are afraid to arrest them--two against 50 trained police?/

  • Sparkling - 2011-01-20 10:06

    Please send Winnie and Malema to find them, please

  • Smaal - 2011-01-20 10:08

    Oh this sounds serious. I think we should send in Malama or Zuma to negotiate with the couple. Better yet, sent them both in to demand a resolution to this unacceptable situation or maybe Winnie can help.

      wattalotokak - 2011-01-20 10:18

      No - they must debate it first, then send ateam to investigate, and then debate the findings...then we can consider singing "Shoot the French"...! bwahahahaha

  • MP3 - 2011-01-20 10:09

    holy friggin cow, seriously? all this fuss over 2 french people? "wont go down without a fight.." geez, talk about sensationalizing a pathetic story... since when did emotional opinion pass as objective reporting??? i'm pretty sure that if the nosy neighbours didn't go and call the cops everyone involved would still be alive and well.

      brianR - 2011-01-20 14:26

      the nosy neighbour was the owner of the farm...

  • Otello - 2011-01-20 10:14

    Ramtha cult?

  • Boerbokkie - 2011-01-20 10:15

    Bonneé & Claude?

      Lekabisto - 2011-01-20 11:12

      ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha !!!!!! classic

      andrewdelange - 2011-01-20 13:46


  • brannawyn meester - 2011-01-20 10:19

    Like I said I know the farm, I know the couple, I know that if don`t want to be found this is the place to be but the wrong time of year! the problem is water in the winter you can use snow and that means that you can hide in a 200m radius of the house, but as it is summer you must get water from one of the dams and that in it self is how you will catch them, they will go and get water most likely in the early morning while it is still dark.

      Retahreffak - 2011-01-20 11:59

      @brannawyn meester - Whaa hahah, stop drinking that sH!t, get yourself something to smoke.

  • daxiedvd - 2011-01-20 10:30

    They can't last much longer if they are out in that veld, it's a harsh place to hide out if you can't store enough water, plus there won't be much water in the mountains in January, they'll probably off themselves if the elements don't do it first.

      Hans-Erik Iken - 2011-01-20 11:16

      If the guy was indeed in the french foreign legion he will be a tough bastard and he will know how to survive out there. Being a frenchman he would have been an officer as well, and they have to be tougher then their soldiers to set the example. Also he will know how to camoflage them and to kill without making a noise. I wonder if the cops are competent enough to handle this guy. If he is a survivalist it will make it even harder, he would have set up stashes of food and ammo around the farm over the years. Being a member of a cult will mean he has other prioritues then staying alive probably. All in all a difficult situation.

  • Doug - 2011-01-20 11:08

    Send in the JW's they will find them.

  • Chopstix - 2011-01-20 11:15

    Use the Southern African Large Telescope to find them

      ange - 2011-01-20 12:09

      Best suggestion yet *LOL*

  • AJ - 2011-01-20 11:16

    Absolute nutters.

  • AJ - 2011-01-20 11:19

    "helicopter is a target for the heavily armed French" - Ok ok, let's not get carried away, sounds like you facing a bloody battalion or something.

      Worldwise - 2011-01-20 11:43

      AJ, an empty glass coldrink bottle correctly thrown at a chopper can take it out. So can a baseball cap. Being fired on with a rifle in a surprise attack could easily take out the chopper. Chopper pilots are well aware of their vulnerabilities. These are civilian and not military choppers. When you know about choppers and their vulnerabilities as the Foreign Legion trained Frenchman does, you can use many things to take them out.

  • Cobus - 2011-01-20 11:20

    That is why there is a need for specialized units in the police - such as trackers. If they haven't found them till now, since last week Friday..whoa, where is the trained trackers? Dogs won't do it...and then..sadly, the new police officers are not trained in rural combat..that's clear. Be carefull..

      woestyn - 2011-01-20 11:53

      Just send in the competent SAPS Task force members and....... o ja, I forgot, they are all working in the Mid -East now making real money and not judged by the colour of their skin when it's time for promotion, bonuses etc. Sukkel bliksems sukkel!!!

      Retahreffak - 2011-01-20 11:56

      The new cops are fat & lazy, the ones who could do it is working in Afganistan & Iraq.

  • Whitefedup - 2011-01-20 11:31

    shades of first blood the movie..... now being remade in Sutherland..... the only propblem is that the chief cop on this case is an even bigger idiot than the one protrayed by Brian dennehy in the original movie....

  • Pragmatist - 2011-01-20 11:45

    Call in Eugene De Cock - he is good at what he does, why is he wasting away when murderers like McBride and Winnie are running around....

  • Aobakwe - 2011-01-20 11:59

    "helicopter is a target" really?! I suppose they also have some sort of anti-aircraft weapons amongst thier 'heavy amourment'. nx, our police should just get serious!

  • Melly30 - 2011-01-20 12:26

    Blow them the F*CK up!! Seriously!!!

  • Darwinian - 2011-01-20 12:33

    We must look into this French thing.. What causes it and who must be held responsible...

  • Francois - 2011-01-20 12:34

    cant believe the SAPS are scared of a 60 year old man. so sad

  • JohannV - 2011-01-20 12:45

    They'll be caught on a neighbour's farm, trying to steal diesel or petrol or a ride. lmao

  • jpuget - 2011-01-20 12:48

    So this guys was in the french foreign legion!!!! don't forget that those guys stand up for their own, so I wont be surprise that they are no longer in country.I think you guys are playing with fire here.

  • o.dasilva1973 - 2011-01-20 13:00

    Here is a link to a doomsday section on the Ramtha site. It is so sad that the police officer lost his life and that, this French couple are now fugitives. The whole situation was probably brought on by paranoia.

  • King Dean - 2011-01-20 14:18

    @Allin - So will the Jehovah's Witnesses...

  • memickycool - 2011-01-20 20:04

    '' i fail to understand where jehovah's witnesses come into this....i am a very proud jehovah's witnesses and those who have understand our religion knows we are not a danger to society,we follow jesus command to love the neighbour,we are not a cult and we only knock on the doors to share the good news of the kingdom of god[ jehovah]which will remove wickedness and all the problems afflicting mankind..we have never sought to separate ourselves from the world,we are not part of this world just as jesus christ was not part of this world....yet we live in the world.and by the world to mean ''those who are in our midst who do not fear god..not the world in geographical sense.those who blasphemy with the name of jehovah..commits an unforgivable sin,history has shown what jehovah's witnesses are -a peaceful religious group that will not force anyone to belong but it is the truth that we preach that sets those who study the bible leading to baptism any occult methods.the guy who posted the comment is free to attend the nearest kingdom hall at times interacting helps to understand or he can simply ask for a free bible study,i am 33 and i been a jehovah's witnesses for 16 years but raised as a witness which makes me 33 years in the truth,i do not regret at all,i have stumbled,almost lost the way of the truth due to bad association but like any normal human being having erred i corrected my ways through the congregation by confessing my sins and am happy to defend JEHAVAH''.

  • respectforramtha - 2011-01-21 10:54

    I experience Ramtha (for the last 19 years) as an Oxfordish Database of information and individualisation techniques that I can CHOOSE from by my own free will. Doomsday? Ramtha taught me for years now to see myself alive and well in 2013, 2025 and beyond. Promoting self-sustainability and Informing me about all the probable earthchanges coming in solar cycle 24, Ice cap melting, Ocean Conveyor Belt problems etc and preparing myself accordingly is a choice for desiring to live through these changes and have a future. Sympathy to those who lost loved ones and those injured and to those two people (NOT current members of Ramtha’s School) now in their life review facing the consequences of their actions and choices in their lives: Ramtha and Jesus taught me not to judge but pray for them.

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