Gallery's attitude appalling: SMME

2012-05-21 19:44

Johannesburg - The "impervious" attitude shown by the Goodman Gallery regarding a painting depicting President Jacob Zuma with his genitals exposed is appalling, the SMME Forum said on Monday.

While the forum defended the right to freedom of speech and freedom of expression enjoyed by entrepreneurs, including artists and galleries, it failed to see artistic value in a painting that could only further polarise society.

"Surely the Goodman Gallery would not have dared publish PW Botha's or the apartheid generals' genitalia for the many documented instances of rape and sexual abuse meted to our black sisters and mothers?"

The SMME said in a statement the gallery, City Press, and artist Brett Murray should be reminded that Zuma was the president of all South Africans regardless of political, religious, or cultural differences.

There was also concern how reproduction of such images would affect children, especially in a "society that is grappling with the perennial social challenges of sexual abuse".

"Displays such as the one under consideration are unfortunate and do not help advance any rational public discourse," the SMME said.

The 1.85m-high painting titled The Spear is part of Murray's Hail to the Thief II exhibition. The portrait has sparked debate about freedom of expression and the right to dignity and privacy.

The African National Congress was set to argue in court on Tuesday that the painting should be removed because it violated Zuma's right to dignity and made a mockery of his office.

  • Jason - 2012-05-21 19:56

    Is there any other kiss ass organisation that wants to slam the stupid painting? Every two minutes some other lunatic government agency or person seems to have something to say yet the masses go cold, hungry and uneducated into the night. if only they felt the same passion towards our ppl as they do towards his dick.

      Sean - 2012-05-21 20:01

      Well said !

      Lacrimose - 2012-05-21 20:09

      The weapon of mass distraction :)

      Jason - 2012-05-21 20:21

      Tsotsi - does that invalidate the comment?

      Pieter - 2012-05-21 20:23

      How can it be racist? Who said it is Zuma? Did the painter say so? No!!! Did Zuma say he posed for the painting? No!!! Who said it is a black man? Did the painter say so? No!!! Can you see from the painting that it is a black man? No!!! Why not? Because the main color of the person is yellow, not black. The shadows are black but all people's shadows are black. Shadows do not come in white even for white people. So, why does it offend black people if it 1. cannot positively be identified as mr. Zuma? 2. cannot positively be identified as a black man? What if it is an Asian man? They are closer to yellow than a black man?

      Peter - 2012-05-21 20:43

      @TheJaydedKing - Dont try argue your case to him, he doesn't understand the world so he tries to incite racism and resorts to name calling because he lacks the ability to argue with reason

      Peter - 2012-05-21 21:08

      @Tsotsi-Baby - This has gotten more publicity than the schools the government still has not given books to half way through the year. Care to explain how the government is uplifting the people there? What about all the strikes due to Service delivery? Or the R30 Billion wasted on e-tolls from the pensioners fund, just to make that clear there are white and black pensioners. So does this make you plain stupid now?

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-21 21:22

      @Peter i would like to expose your stupidity but white moderators at news24 are deleting my comments. #Power to the people though

      Peter - 2012-05-21 21:27

      @Tsotsi-Baby - Lol in other words you have got no defense nice excuse for not having anything to say, your a troll and a racist and you will never win an argument in an intelligent debate.

  • Squeegee - 2012-05-21 19:57

    Oh get a life and start focusing on real issues affecting "our black sisters and mothers".

      Andres - 2012-05-21 20:39

      Agree! As Tambo's daughter said, I'm paraphrasing: 'Do the unemployed have dignity? Do the homeless have dignity? Do the the poverty-stricken have dignity? Focus on the dignity of our people and stop focusing on an indignity imposed on yourself, inspired by your actions.' Who cares how the president feels? If he cared more about rooting out corruption, graft, government inefficiencies so the African poor of this nation had a better future, maybe the intelligent people of this nation would care more for his 'dignity.' People FIRST, serve us and earn our respect... then, we shall gladly give it.

  • nhamo.dzenyika - 2012-05-21 19:59

    That art was a pure insult to the Head of State but comments here are not surprising. If one was to ask this forum which is the most popular party, DA will get 90 percent over ANC. So comments here are not a true reflection of the thinking on the ground. High time some people change their attitude towards the black-led government

      David - 2012-05-21 20:15

      "Black- led"???--it is not led -there is no leadership-that is the problem!! This government could not lead a dog to the park without losing both the dog and the park.

      Hadebe - 2012-05-21 20:22

      David, shame, calm down, parks n dogs, are u sure u okay? watch that suger level of yours, say whoooaah 4 times, then ul b okay huh!

      Peter - 2012-05-21 20:32

      @Hadebe - Are you sure your ok? Thats the question Lol did you read your comments at all?

      IcemanGP - 2012-05-21 20:36

      If \that art\ is an insult. What is your opinion on this art?

      Hadebe - 2012-05-21 20:38

      Peter, u little cheap copy cat...

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-05-21 20:39

      Positive actions by the black led government wouls help me a lot in changing my attitude towards them. Currently they don't do much to earn any respect from me. But I agree, this painting has not contributed towards making our country a happier place, it has had a negative affect on things. It should be taken down, and the artist should apologise.

      Claudio - 2012-05-21 20:41

      Hey Nhamo - just a quick thought. I would bet a months wages that such a painting depicting Mandela would never have been made. Why - because Mandela is dignified, honourable a good leader - WELL RESPECTED, and honest and perhaps as many whites and blacks would have objected had Mandela been depicted this way. Zuma has none of those qualities and deserves to be pilloried in this manner.

      rob.fleming.104 - 2012-05-21 20:43

      Are you as offended by this painting?

      Peter - 2012-05-21 20:48

      @Tsotsi-Baby - Im sorry to break this to you, and im not trying to be racist, but with out whites you would not have electricity, democracy, running water, cars, the computer your writing your rubbish racist comments on, etc. So please shut up and stop making your self look like a fool

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-21 21:14

      @Peter Only whites whites whites whites? what about Indians,Chinese,blacks themselves.

      Peter - 2012-05-21 21:20

      @Tsotsi-Baby - Your the only racist here dont try spin it around on me. For you its only black or white so thats how im answering you. I'm white so if you attack my race why would i bring Indians or Chinese into this... anyway FACT All those things i listed where invented by white people, would you like to go google that quick? I'll bite though, im interested to know so please tell me what black people have invented? It would honestly be an education to me

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-21 21:33

      For education you would probably have to go back to school. Technological progress is not exclusive to whites only,fella #Power to the people

      Peter - 2012-05-21 21:40

      @Tsotsi-Baby - Did i say it was? No so just accept defeat you are fighting your racist lost cause without an intelligent argument. Please troll else where or if you prefer i can continue to make you feel like a simpleton. You complain whites this whites that, but at the end of the day you would have very little without us. You say we dont treat you with decency why dont you start by treating us with decency instead you rant and rave your stupid racist views instead of thinking hmmm maybe only some white people are not considerate to black people. All you see is a white person and thats your enemy. I pity you and those like you because you cannot think for yourselves

      Ricus - 2012-05-21 21:42

      Your thinking has kept your people in poverty!

      Tsotsi-Baby - 2012-05-21 21:47

      @Peter stop this racism and troll thing for a second.......why do you think blacks would not have the things you mentioned?

      Peter - 2012-05-21 21:58

      @Tsotsi-Baby - Because they wouldn't have a currency to trade with first of all, no offense, honestly i dont mean any offense, but secondly i cant see how Zulu's, Xhosa, Venda etc living in their tribes would have been at all interested in those things to begin with. They are there for all now because Whites brought everyone together. yes it wasnt the right way to do it I was born post apartheid so i have no issues with Black people or any race i just want my taxes to be used properly and for the government to care about me as much as they care about themselves. But anyway if they hadn't come along do you think Zulu's and Xhosa would be living as neighbors today? Look i honestly dont know the whole history between the 2 groups but from what i can see its been rough to say the least. There are still tribes in parts of the amazon that have never been in contact with civilized people. Thats because they were never integrated into one society where they work and live together and that's why they lack technology. look there are hundreds of reasons, im just touching on the frst things that come to mind and im not saying im 100% right

      flysouth - 2012-05-22 08:59

      If you have always been resident in SA then you have absolutely no knowledge or experience of proper, decent and functional non-partisan government - and therefore your call that people change their attitude to the ANC government is stupid - and that is putting it politely! The manner in which the ANC has governed this country, with only a few rare exceptions since 1994, is execrable and to be condemned by all right-thinking persons, black or white. They have by now fully proven themselves quite incapable of putting aside their totalitarian-leaning ideology, based on failed communism. This leads to the inevitable failure of governance which we see daily, all around us. In a normal society government functions effectively in the background, providing what the people need by way of services etc, whilst here we are locked in what Lenin called the 'eternal revolution' at the hands of the ANC. This of course is simply the ANC following the Leninist theory of how societies should function. For most people, what is wanted is basic service delivery, minimal taxes,law and order and to be left alone to get on with their lives. Too many here is SA, mostly blacks, seem to have been propagandised by the ANC into believing that perpetual revolution is a natural way of life - it is not.

  • Christopher - 2012-05-21 20:00

    A similar picture exists of the Prime Minster of Canada. Google "Harper Nude" to see how the civilised world handles such issues.

      nkululeko.gcwensa - 2012-05-21 20:17

      What you 'Whites" perceive as civil might not be appropriate for us African ..respect that

      Peter - 2012-05-21 20:27

      @nkululeko.gcwensa - if its not appropriate for you then dont look at it idiot

      Jason - 2012-05-21 20:31

      Nkululeko makes a valid point. Racist but valid.

      Peter - 2012-05-21 20:36

      @nkululeko.gcwensa - Oh and Stop using the race card like its your birth given right. Its been 18 years, please grow up since you seem to think your so civil

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-05-21 20:41

      I think we should listen to nkululeko - it obviously is having a very negative influence on race relations in this country. The consequences are no good for any of us, time to be brave and remove the thing, and apologise, we're already on such bad terms, why inflame them more?

      Cornelius - 2012-05-21 20:48

      @ christopher, why can't you lead civilisation by going to David Murray and ask him to produce an artwork of you with your testicles hanging and then you hang the artwork in your house so that you can watch it with your kids or sisters. At least you will understand how Zuma and those who are close to him are feeling about the artwork. The artwork is an abuse of democratic space. Its a racist artwork that's why majority of black people despises it. They feel insulted. Whereas many white people find it fun because the artwork is not insulting one of their own. Surprising when Malema was attacking Zille in a racist manner many whites were quick to understand the racist attack. But today because it is Zuma a black person they say its freedom of expression. People of shallow minds!!!

      Riaan - 2012-05-21 20:51

      Then don't look at it.

      Peter - 2012-05-21 20:53

      @Chum Scrubber - In a civil society that would work but organizations like the ANC will never apologize for any of its wrong doings. So that goes to show you we don't live in a civil society

      IcemanGP - 2012-05-21 20:53

      @Cornelius, check this link, then rephrase your comment.

      Peter - 2012-05-21 21:01

      @Cornelius - So you speak for all black people now? Its funny how you make this out to be racist but when the DA is getting stoned by Cosatu or the government is not providing medicine, education, services you dont make a fuss. Funny how you have double standards hey?

      Sean - 2012-05-21 22:04

      @nkululeko.gcwensa - Things are appropriate when it suits you !! All you can f@cken do is use the race card , so bloody pathetic !!

  • nettie.potgieter.5 - 2012-05-21 20:00

    Who is this SMME Forum?????????????

      Jason - 2012-05-21 20:32

      Send More Money ePlease

      Peter - 2012-05-21 20:33

      A waste of time group looking for media attention and support because they think they support a worthy cause. i.e. a bunch of sheep

  • Sonja - 2012-05-21 20:04

    SMME....Sheep Masses Making E'Noise.... No-one cares!!!... Read the constitution, Bill of rights.... and P Off!!!

      Ricus - 2012-05-21 21:46

      It is unfortunate that the constitution is not worth the paper it is written on!

  • Erna - 2012-05-21 20:11

    Here we go again! Don't they realise that all these viewpoints is making it worse? They are the best advertisement for the painting!

  • sharon.ackerman.77 - 2012-05-21 20:13

    I have to agree with this article. There is no reason for that artwork to be displayed, irrespective of what or who the president is or stand for. Or have done. Cannot see how it can bring an allready devided nation together.

      IcemanGP - 2012-05-21 20:32

      Go to this link, and then rethink your comment.

      Jason - 2012-05-21 20:33

      Its an artwork, not an attempt to bring a nation together. in this country to bring ppl together you would need a serious amounts of glue and large doses of amnesia.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-05-21 20:43

      I agree with you. I didn't, but now I do, this thing is now out of control, it is very negative.

  • maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-21 20:15

    This is so pathetic. The ANC camp is trying their damnest to keep this silly thing alive, so they can wring the maximum negative emotions out of it. And to think...they get paid!

      Jason - 2012-05-21 20:34

      Was wondering why though. What is the point of polarising everyone?

      maseratifittipaldi - 2012-05-21 22:23

      Well, the boss was pole arising everyone !

  • matt.cumming.77 - 2012-05-21 20:16

    Please stop covering this tedious story. Get some real news...

  • Gabrielle - 2012-05-21 20:17

    I honestly think racism, sexism, and patriarchy has nothing to do with this painting. Why does everyone get so caught up with the idea that that is the function of the penis being present in the picture? If that is what the artist intended to comment on i think he would have painted Zuma having sex/raping a host of women at once. If it was supposed to be a degrading cultural remark Zuma would have been portrayed in his traditional clothing. However, the artist portrays Zuma in the same way Lenin was portrayed in a famous propaganda poster entitled "Lenin lived- Lenin lives- Lenin will live!". Therefore considering Russian history, the use of the phallic symbol is mere reinforcing the idea that Zuma is a "DICK-tator". Clearly the use of the penis is needed to make the comment about dictatorship because no one recognises the Lenin poster's symbolism and even with the penis drawn still no one makes the connection. I suppose that's because in grade 3 no one taught Zuma Russian history, as it is part of high school history. If he chose to go back to school, he would have learnt that, instead he chose to tend his sheep and learn stick fighting, see a top billing interview that is the truth! If anything Zuma should be flattered, although Lenin was a dictator he was highly educated.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-05-21 20:46

      We don't have a very highly educated populace, so it is not appropriate as the finer meaning is not understood. It is now fodder for the ANC to use to incite hatred against whites. The painting has achieved negativity, thats all, the artist should do damage control and remove it as well as apologise. We don't live in the first world.

      Gabrielle - 2012-05-21 22:02

      art is not made only made for the masses. Art, music, theatre, is not only made for educated poeple. If that were the case art would not exist in our society. If our government could utilise funding more effeciently we would be able to invest in our people and their needs, and possibly art too. After world war one, Germany had a population which was poverty stricken, uneducated, and hitler's regime was at the time germany's answer. Weimar germany (a counrty oweing a global debt that was only payed off 2 years ago) saw the burning and banning and eventually killing of many artists, because they made contraversial art that started to let people think. People need to make art, possibly start using it as a forum and serve an educational purpose. If you read the newspaper you might see the political cartoons daily, its called satire. Satire is the use of humor, irony, exaggeration, or ridicule to expose and criticize people's stupidity or vices, particularly in the context of contemporary politics and other topical issues. And the only reason people are offended is that it is based on some truths, Zuma does have weak political stances that tend to lend itself to socialist association, he has raped a woman, he believes showering prevents Aids, and he has many children out of wedlock and ties to corruption. Why should someone appologise for making art and expressing an oppinion? Our president "sings kill the boer" regularly and doesnt appolise?

  • Andres - 2012-05-21 20:17

    Why doesn't someone go and ask Bill Clinton what he felt about the Monica Lewinski inspired satire that flooded the streets of America? Political satire and protest art is part of democracy. It isn't always in the best taste, but is there in any free society. If these ANC-aligned organisations don't like it, they're pissing on Mandela's legacy of wanting a free and open society, regardless of who expresses that freedom and openness. Typical small-minded 2nd rate wannabe 3rd world leader mentality: "I support constitutional rights and free speech, as long is it doesn't take aim at me." Plus, the stupid race card being played... Absolute idiocy when no better rebuttal is at hand. Did Clinton claim African-Americas were out to get his pasty-ass? NO! Being the tallest tree is tough and full of potential public-scrutiny... that's what happens when you're president and your lifestyle choices are questionable!

      Hadebe - 2012-05-21 21:03

      Wuld pay for the ticket? i can go there, there are some people i wuld like to meet.

  • Aubrey - 2012-05-21 20:23

    I love this painting ,and wish to see more pee pees of those corrupt Leaders being exposed ,and i don't care about you South Africa who keep on making noise about this pee pee. you care too much about someone who don't care about you as a Nation.i wish to see another painting for Mdluli showing his corrupt pee pees .viva corrupt pee pees viva......?

  • Philemon - 2012-05-21 20:24

    Not only is it appalling it's also disgusting and it displays the thinking of a standard looser, close down that gallery beacause it's a total waste of space, freedom of expression se foot!

      IcemanGP - 2012-05-21 20:30

      Go here you blind sheep.

      Andres - 2012-05-21 20:33

      Let's curtail your freedom of association, freedom of speech, freedom of expression and see how you feel? Disgusting narrow-minded attitude simply because someone literally paints "your leader" is a bad light. Freedoms are all good as long as they apply to you, but not someone else who may hold a different view?

      Phae - 2012-05-21 21:39

      'standard looser' insult, not very thought provoking. I prefer you to close down your mouth, because its a total waste of space in your face. How's that for childish banter?

  • rob.fleming.104 - 2012-05-21 20:25

    I am curious....why is no one saying anything about this Zuma painting...surely they both offend?

      Gabrielle - 2012-05-21 20:35

      because the artist is of colour!

      dulcie.theron - 2012-05-21 21:51

      I agree, this is definately appalling, maybe the spear should hang in a gallery where it's portrayal would be understood?

  • Daniel - 2012-05-21 20:29

    1. The penis looks like it was drawn by a five year old (I think they'll be just fine) 2. Artists would have gladly drawn PW Botha as such were S.A. a democratic country and not the inhumane police state that it was at the time... which would you prefer?

      Hadebe - 2012-05-21 20:59

      Id prefer u leave us in peace.

      Peter - 2012-05-21 21:25

      @Hadebe - and I would prefer you find some other way to communicate you racism

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2012-05-21 20:34

    I think it's time the artist took the painting down and apologised to Zuma, this whole thing is just polarising our society and unnessessary. I've had enough, it's time people started being responsible, as much as I did not think much of the whole issue in the beginning, I now believe it is having a very negative impact - for all of us.

      Mzolist - 2012-05-21 21:17

      u mr president uyapipiyela kuphela,mina ngimazi ngalokho .withing he married abt 2 wives.hai suka umpipiyel noba ungathini

      mike.clery - 2012-05-21 21:22

      @Chum Scrubber - a voice of sanity at last. The reaction to this painting was a foregone conclusion, and I'm puzzled by why minority groups can't or won't see that defending this painting is NOT in their interests. The comments make me think that most white South Africans have a death wish.

      Ricus - 2012-05-21 21:52

      Well the President isn't responsible at all and doesn't set a good example, he has failed miserably!

  • Derek - 2012-05-21 20:35

    What on earth are the SMME doing pronouncing on this issue!!!!

  • Vic - 2012-05-21 20:37

    If Zuma was perfect and set an example to the youth and country, I would be against the painting. He has been to court for alleged rape, thieving back handers and his circle of friends are much to be desired. So I say, stuff him and all his get on the bus and exploit buddies.

  • justing888 - 2012-05-21 20:43

    Hadebe & your ilk - you have not learned a valuable lesson - free speech is for all not the political elite & those pretenders who think they are, respect is earned not demanded, criticism is a way of life - get over it. Whether the painting is appropriate or not is for the individual veiwer - it has nothing to do with race - you are far to lazy to think up some appropriate term - racism is an easy way out, why not put your energy into more productive pursuits,like nation building - show us you are the better person & be the bridge between the rival factions & find a solution in our constitutional democarcy.

      Hadebe - 2012-05-21 20:56

      Wud u say da same, if it was verwoed on the picture?

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-05-21 21:11

      To be fair, I don't think there would be much of an outcry from mlungus if the painting was of Verwoerd. He is kind of past history now. It would be a bit confusing though, Verwoerd would not exactly have earned the penis - he wasn't known for knobbing his freinds daughters and nieces, or having multiple wives?? So I don't see the point really Hadebe - can you perhaps explain...

      Peter - 2012-05-21 21:15

      @Hadebe - What is your issue with white people dude? Does a white person beat you with a stick every day of your life? Why dont you put your hatred to better use like fixing all the wrongs done to your own people by the government you helped vote in.

      Phae - 2012-05-21 21:31

      Oh please Hadebe, how unbelievably wrong you are to think that the fool Verwoed invokes any kind of feeling other than disgust in most white people, or that your insults mean anything to us at all. You just don't get it!!!!! Our culture doesn't make gods out of leaders. As far as we are concerned they are paid to do their jobs properly, and with integrity, that's all, no more or less. They have no bearing on our personal lives whatsoever. Try it, its liberating.

      Peter - 2012-05-21 21:49

      @Phae - Next he'll attack you and tell you you've been indoctrinated by the west or some idiotic drivel similar

      Phae - 2012-05-21 21:58

      @Peter its ok because he's just one of the sick and slow. His opinion of me means zilch. He needs to be bounced for his racist incitement to stop him contaminating our country.

  • sean.looney - 2012-05-21 20:48

    its a damn picture in a private gallery. deal with it. the english press have done far worse things to their public figures. how does everything become a race issue in south africa? are people that small minded still?

      Peter - 2012-05-21 21:12

      Yes people are still that narrow minded, its unfortunate but true

  • Ricus - 2012-05-21 20:50

    Zuma is definately not my President, I have not voted for a incompetent leader but one that is professional, dynamic and has high morals and values! And unfortunately ANC is the most racist organisation in the World, even the wealthy investors whom were to invest in South Africa are uncertain of the liquidity and therefore invest elsewhere where the risk is low!

  • Ricus - 2012-05-21 20:56

    SMME Forum you are banned from my future!

  • dericslab - 2012-05-21 21:05

    Thats right, keep talking about the painting. You only making it more valuable :-)

  • johnny.neto - 2012-05-21 21:21

    Has anybody else noticed how extraordinarily quiet the ANC Youth League have been on this whole debacle ? No more "kill for Zuma". I suppose they are reveling in the moment by turning their back on Zuma after JM referred to him as a dictator. Normally they are the first to comment but are exceptionally quiet at the moment. Their silence cannot be instilling any confidence in Zuma.

  • Mc - 2012-05-21 22:19

    The same way they paraded sara baardman, and it was not seen as racist.

  • Kagiso Tlhakung - 2012-05-21 23:02

    whether or not Zuma has many wives how he has behaved doesn't matter. This i say many rapists do we have in this country?? Do you see their privates being exposed in public?? En how many white prostitutes do we hv?? Do u see us drawing their privates en putting them in public for all to see?? Even murderers get better treatment than our president. And Murray is a racist bcoz he attacks everything a black man does, this means he thinks blacks are incompetent and inferior and not fit to govern over white ppl. He's attacking the ANC continuosly but this time he took it too far. Those who say there's no racism should watch the Terreblanche case 2mrw morning

      Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-05-22 08:56

      Must I generalize your population? Blacks don't govern white you cake, it is the government that governs all cultures in this country, it just happens that the president is black, the Indian and Chinese people must be laughing the arses off, because it's always black white black white..... The comments on this news24 makes a person generalize the whole cultural group and it's not very nice...., I have to been so angry at some of these comments that I to have made some that I am not impressed by, I find it very dissapointing that this news 24 does not monitor and filter these comments...

  • Vince.York - 2012-05-22 06:45

    Price of that stretched canvas must have escalated 1000 fold these past few days.

  • Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-05-22 07:18

    You racist gimp, what about the daily rape and murder against white minorities by black majorities, it's always about race, then when a white guy says your racist and leaves the country, what do you do? You tell the world he is a liar and make him come back.... Fking racists gimps

  • Clayton Richard Delport - 2012-05-22 08:47

    How else is the ANC going to get votes? Get everyone to hate the white man, vote ANC, don't worry about corruption, don't worry about the social economic gap, don't worry about the poor, or the open toilets, don't worry about keeping the informal settlements going, don't worry about not getting houses, vote ANC we stand with against whites? What a fkd up mentality

      Steven - 2012-05-22 20:50

      are you a white person?your a racist so keep it to yourselve and learn that you will never rule this country again!

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