Gang violence: Forget about army, Mthethwa says

2012-07-11 22:24

Johannesburg - Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa has said the army does not have the equipment to fight gangsterism in Cape Town, according to an SABC television report.

"The army doesn't have the equipment the police have: it doesn't have rubber bullets, it doesn't have water cannons," he told the broadcaster during a visit to Lavender Hill and Hanover Park.

"They have live ammunition... People should stop politicking... People are dying here and the police are trying their best to ensure we strenghthen our investigative capacity... Forget about the army, really."

Mthethwa was accompanied on the visit by provincial police commissioner Arno Lamoer.

At least 23 people, including seven children, have died in the area as a result of gang violence in recent months.

Premier Helen Zille wrote a letter to President Jacob Zuma on Monday asking for the army to be deployed to Lavender Hill and Hanover Park.

Mthethwa and Defence Minister Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula were sent copies of the letter.

  • tumisang.kolobe - 2012-07-11 22:47

    The police in the western cape are compromised because they are on the payroll of drug dealers and gangs.release the army all gangs will be dismantled and peace will be restored.What do you need rubber bullets for...You live by the sword then die by the sword.....

      tumisang.kolobe - 2012-07-11 23:17

      Mind sharing with me,whats so idiotic about my comment Mr Cliff?I want to hear your intelectual perspective so that I can learn.

      cliff.slabbert - 2012-07-11 23:29

      Sorry Kolobe, I thought you were the other guy that passes idiotic comments and I reacted badly . My apologies.

      cliff.slabbert - 2012-07-11 23:31

      I think we all get bloody angry about all the mismanagement of our country.

      dee.980 - 2012-07-11 23:31

      I agree Tumisang - Mthethwa seems to be confusing the armed gangsters with 'crowd / protest control' - where rubber bullets and water cannons would be used. lmao .... Does he think the gangsters are marching and protesting perhaps? ............ But it's really NOT funny. He takes no responsibility nor offers any solution. Just talks like a fool.

      tumisang.kolobe - 2012-07-11 23:38

      @Cliff...Noted...and of course we are goint to differ with opinions in the near future especially on land and nationalisation...for now Mthethwa missed the mark completely...@Dee I absolutely like your sense of humour....sometimes we just have to laugh at ourselves....The minister is confusing gangsters with protesters here....Imagine using a water canon when a hail of bullets is being fired....Lol....

      freddie.l.roux - 2012-07-12 07:14

      Whilst his comments are bemusing this is by no means a laughing matter at all...Our childrens blood is being spilt on the streets of our land while the ANC choose to turn a blind eye for "political reasons". Tumi it's not only the WC police that is compromised...the entire SAPS is compromised, did u forget about Telly Selebi and Cowboy Cele??

      martin.britchford.5 - 2012-07-12 12:41

      who said anything bout using rubber bullets minister? live ammo, cut the gangsters in half with bursts from the 50. cal, if the police could sort this out do you not think it would have been done already?

      martin.britchford.5 - 2012-07-12 12:44

      like back in the day, 6 or so army officers would accompany 2 police into townships, they are not constitutionally allowed to go in by themselves, they must be supervised by the police, why not against gans in this manner to act as back up and fire power?

      martin.britchford.5 - 2012-07-12 12:46

      or let pagad have their way

      denise.ryan.5203 - 2012-07-13 15:21

      How do you know the ANC is not serious about solving crime? It is all about priorities... If they cannot make money from it, they are not interested. In 2003 when South Africa’s crime rate was going through the roof the ANC did virtually nothing, yet they passed the idiotic Plastic Bag Law of which they were extremely proud and it was on TV every five minutes. They were going to clean up the environment and create thousands of jobs…turned out these thieves only cleaned out the consumer’s wallet. In a country where farmers are being murdered at the highest rate in the world and the public is suffering under crime, the latest ANC priorities are to clamp down on smokers. Just remember that obesity kills almost just as many people as smoking does, but you do not see the ANC issuing draconian laws against obesity, because then they will be punishing themselves. No. The ANC smoking laws are not about Your Health. It is about Their Wealth. The ANC is not really concerned about what you put in your mouth, up your nose or in your arm... all they are concerned about is how much money they can make from it. "There's no way to rule innocent men. The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. When there aren't enough criminals, one MAKES them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws... Create a nation of law-breakers, and then you cash in on the guilt." -- Ayn Rand "Atlas Shrugged"

  • Lesiba C Mmotlana - 2012-07-11 22:52

    hw can u fight Thugs n Killers with rubber bullets n Water cannons?Come on Mthethwa use ur brains here ,u want to say Zille didnt do anything abt crime at her province?criminal wont kill criminal,ANC!!!

      devon.riley.52 - 2012-07-12 02:53

      The fact is that the national governent is doing everything they can to curtail the efforts to deal with the problem

      shaun.cousins1 - 2012-07-13 08:39

      It gives me the impression that A) the anc support murders, B) The army is unorganized to actually do something.Imagine sending soldiers there and they all under the anc.

  • paul.john.790256 - 2012-07-11 22:57

    Mthethwa is missing the point... The very policeman that is expected to fight the gangsters, due to their relatively low salary, lives in the same neighbourhood as the gangsters. So after a shift of fighting the gangsters, he needs to come home and face threats to himself/herself and family. Better to employ the army and get troops from another part of the country to fight the gangsters in the Western Cape. This way the innocent family members are kept out of harms way. It was done in the past and it stopped the gang related killings. Why not try it again? Is there an political agenda from Mthethwa

      Rational100 - 2012-07-14 08:09

      @paul... The minister of police does not command the army and u should know that by now. If Zille wats the Atrmy she must approach the minister of Defence. The minister of Police is being deliberately misunderstood by people who have issues with the ANC. Zille can and must declare a state of emergency in the WC and then bring the Army in knowing quite well she will be held accountable for whatever collateral damage arises! Remember, this SA and there is a constitution, it's not Iraq where people from Texas come in and shoot at residents like flies! ...Zillle will and must be account thereafter!

  • steven.loots.33 - 2012-07-11 23:06

    Wat te donner wil jy met rubber en water doen. Skiet die bliksems met regte patrone.

      keith.murphy.9638 - 2012-07-11 23:47

      Nie patrone nie piet hulle moet sommer met die tanke skiets eu helicopters en fighter jects in steuren miskien drones ook

      keith.murphy.9638 - 2012-07-11 23:49

      eu die anc moet a no fly zone implement eu 24hr drones

  • Manie - 2012-07-11 23:07

    Maybe it is time to look at the truth.if u live warm and cozy its hard to see the realities of life.I think people like nathi should be expose to the violence and loose loved 1s as a result of that then we'll talk again.

  • cliff.slabbert - 2012-07-11 23:09

    You guys get more and more f$#%^&* ridiculous every day! Get the bloody army all over the place dammit , the police cant do their job because they are leaderless and you are a politician ! Wake up! Rubber bullets - what a joke !!!!!!!!!!!

  • Ball - 2012-07-11 23:14

    Water cannons and rubber bullets? Yes, the well-being of criminals is more important than the safety of civilians. What a clown.

  • herman.heil - 2012-07-11 23:24

    This my fellow countrymen and women is so rich comming from a person who has not served a day as a policeman in the gang area of the Western Cape. He has no clue what is happening there, nor has he any means to stop what is happening there. Real action whithout compromise is needed and idiots like him will never know how to stop this rot.

      keith.murphy.9638 - 2012-07-11 23:39

      THis idiot is a nother Donkey and people are being killed dailly? What example is he setting the poepsak

  • Tommo - 2012-07-11 23:25

    Its easy telling us what you won't do. Now can you please tell us what you will do????

  • keith.murphy.9638 - 2012-07-11 23:26

    You know why this minister makes such a statement ? Becos its coloreds and they dont vore anc thats why.

      keith.murphy.9638 - 2012-07-13 20:03

      How the hell does a minister respond like he did instead of saying the government shall find a way to take action.This guy is a real poepsak .My God people are being killed and he respond like that for a minister !!!!!!!!

  • Erna - 2012-07-11 23:37

    What does Mthethwa want to do with rubber bullets and water canons against gang warfare? We're not talking about mass protests here where hordes of people need to be controlled. I don't think he understands the situation at all.

  • Jeffrey Mangz Longwe - 2012-07-11 23:44

    Although i agree he's talking nonsense on the water canon and rubber bullet part, it would look bad for the country to deploy an army to get criminals. CNN would jump on that story quick and show that part of country only as always and say we are in a crisis. Bad for investment and image, look at Mexico for eg. This is'nt political just a common sense move on someone who understands their economics. Yes even though they support ANC. Just train those cops and give them real bullets dammit.

      freddie.l.roux - 2012-07-12 07:23

      Mangz sorry but u are sounding more ridiculous than Mthetwa...The ANC's stance on nationalisation has done more harm to SA's investment image than any deployment of an army force in a volitile civilian area would ever do. You can't compromise the safety of your citizens for the sake of the opinion of a few stupid political and economic analysts. Maybe the ANC don't see the coloured DA population as their citizens then? What does Mthetwa know about economics?? Oh yes he is quite savvy....Maybe he should dip into that private intellligence slush fund and build a wall around the gang area's...pathetic really.

      brandt.kruger - 2012-07-12 08:30

      We actually did deploy the defense force in 1995 in SunnySide Pretoria to help with crime prevention. They had about 120 crimes reported in in day when we started there. After a month only about 1 or 2 crimes was reported per day. Only the presence will help a lot.

      john.s.stalwart - 2012-07-12 08:39

      Come on realy now,though your comment is wel reconstructed yet it's useles,people's lives are at stake and what you worry about is only how the world would judge the economy of South Africa! It aint matter how South Africa will be judged in the world,for reason'sake the economy here is in the muds,now if police can't contain gangsterism then the army should do and i trust that they wil,if it is war then let it be. The minister of police is only dreaming in what he's saying,maybe even recovering from the booze he had on tuesday,water cannons and rubber bullets against heavily armed gangsters did he say!? How asinine dat is,a weak approach towards dis inunendo is a compromise of civil ian's lives,thus a rough hand is needed to handle these gangster and that is the Army.

      john.s.stalwart - 2012-07-12 08:39

      Come on realy now,though your comment is wel reconstructed yet it's useles,people's lives are at stake and what you worry about is only how the world would judge the economy of South Africa! It aint matter how South Africa will be judged in the world,for reason'sake the economy here is in the muds,now if police can't contain gangsterism then the army should do and i trust that they wil,if it is war then let it be. The minister of police is only dreaming in what he's saying,maybe even recovering from the booze he had on tuesday,water cannons and rubber bullets against heavily armed gangsters did he say!? How asinine dat is,a weak approach towards dis inunendo is a compromise of civil ian's lives,thus a rough hand is needed to handle these gangster and that is the Army.

      marty.krog.7 - 2012-07-13 13:07

      They deploy the army or reserves for domestic intervention all over the world. The USA, Columbia, UK etc etc. You name it, the army has stepped in. Besides, do you really care what some redneck in Alabama thinks about us trying rid ourselves of a very real and dangerous problem that is half protected by the corrupt and impotent police force we have the privilege of paying for. I think not.

  • Jeffrey Mangz Longwe - 2012-07-11 23:48

    So the world has nuclear weapons and atomic weapons and guess what we have, yep water canons and rubber bullets. LOL this has made my day

  • mat.vee.92 - 2012-07-11 23:53


      tumelo.mabua - 2012-07-12 07:43

      De Villiers concurs with that(former Bokke coach)

  • james.otter.10 - 2012-07-12 00:14

    Let's cut the inspired leadership thing and look at this from a basic management standpoint. Mrs Zille sees the gangster problem in her province to be very serious and has asked for assistance, suggesting military intervention. Minister Mthethwa has rejected her request. Policing is a National government function not a Provincial government function. The problem is therefore clearly yours, Minister, the way the governence is structured. The people are not looking for leadership they simply want to see the problem dealt with managerially, because they justifiably feel threatened and unsafe. What are you going to do? (Nice MBA question).

  • kyle.beningfield - 2012-07-12 00:19

    While Mr Mthethwa sleeps behind 10 feet high walls and under VIP protection, its easy to feel safe. As for the Army not having water cannons and rubber bullets, so much the better. Innocent people aren't dying from rubber bullets or water cannons but from live ammunition. Something I'm sure the Army has plenty of! The gangsters aren't using toys Mr minister. How many more lives will be lost before something is done? Its evident the police are incapable of fighting these gangsters who show no regard for the lives of innocent children. Something needs to be done and urgently.

  • luzukotosh - 2012-07-12 00:26

    You are the one politicking, obviously your police are not doing a good job because people are still dying, why did the minister go there with the army anyway???

  • danie.smit.587 - 2012-07-12 00:44

    Zille , could you and your advisors be so dumb? You should rather insisted that the specialise gang units was re establish, than use army excess fire power in a SA township again. Please before you open your trap again on the army consult with your defence experts in the DA, it will prevent you from making a ashole of yourself again. For all the unin formed. The soldiers are trained to use fire power to keep the enemies heads down, and reduce enimy fire, while they advance. That fire concentration in a township will kill every one even a inocent baby in a cot inside a house. Do you still want the army in Hanover park?

      raymond.dick.12 - 2012-07-12 01:11

      It depends on how you manage it Danie. Calling Zille dumb is in itself quite dumb. You are obviously only half read and half smart but completely out of your depth. It is not so much the degree of fire power that the army brings but the sheer weight of numbers. Not in concentrated groups but small groups at every corner which monitor and control movement. The SAPS do not have the numbers and they are not supposed to be involved in shoot-outs with gangsters. The police are supposed to have investigative skills with which they can track and find the source of the problems. The problem is they cannot use those skills because they are involved in fire fights or cannot enter the areas because of far for the resultant fire fights. The army's presence will nullify the fire fights and allow the police to police. Get it? Now say sorry to Mz Zille

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-07-12 06:17

      Tisk tisk u idiot

      blink.stefanus - 2012-07-12 07:33

      you lost me at 'a ashole'.

      alon.fisher.752 - 2012-07-12 18:31

      Danie where is it requested that the army use excessive firepower like in the days gone by?No one is talking about artillery barrages ,airstrikes,mortars etc, but infantry soldiers with patrols and manning hotspots together with snipers will do the trick. The people themselves are cryingg out for help and it is the governments job to oblige them.

      marty.krog.7 - 2012-07-13 13:13

      You are as dumb as a bag of hammers. And if you actually were in the army, then you were probably on awol, or in DB most of the time. You really have no idea what you are on about. Now go back to your duties as the village idiot.

      sanda.mnyazi - 2012-07-13 13:21

      hahahaha yoooh Danie i cant stop laughing at your comment

  • Billy - 2012-07-12 01:12

    snt that equipment used for riot control? the gangs arent going to protest against the police in the middle of the road they are not going to march down to some office building demanding territory. they will shoot you with live rounds, they kill, why did you have the army with you there today if you are so confident?

  • clinton.ahrens - 2012-07-12 02:21

    The minister is useless just like his big boss JZ water cannons and rubber bullets for cape town gangs he has no idea what those gangs are packing they can start a war with the weapons they have

  • maokeng.mankge - 2012-07-12 05:01

    Hahahaha d most stupid ignorant Minister w have here..Can dis politicians go back 2 skul n learn..It clearly shows dey r in dis 4 money..Sent ur VIP protection unit den 2 Cape n kip ur water tanks

      riedewaan.jooste - 2012-07-12 07:24

      Eish honeslty mr minister woteva ur name is! The shame was with the scorpions when they opened up fraudelant cases they were removed coz ppl incharge was scared their scandals will come out. At nyt u slp in ur warm bed with protection if da so called police gt da resources why did nothin change coz they as useless as u r! Its our country nt urs so give our ppl what they wnt and not what u tink . Our ppl gt killed and robbed we live in fear in our own homes. Plz prepare urslf wen u cum out agen 2 talk 2 our ppl! Not evryone is stupid like u. The army will b a short term solution bt atleast it will give u and ur police force time 2 plan.

  • zimbobwe.mugabe - 2012-07-12 05:33

    I thought rubber bullets and water cannons were for protesters not a war zone. Why do you need a water cannon to arrest a gangster drug dealer. Stupid anc cadre mampara deployed!!! This people will ridicule everything good the DA is trying to do.

  • malusi.shumane.7 - 2012-07-12 05:34

    Come on, minister. Ds z hogwash @ it's best. So d army cnt be equiped with rubber bullets n water cannons? Hv d police used their equipment 2 fyt dt particular crime? So more lives shud b lost while we hv iddling army? If Zille politicises ds, ANC has taken it 10 levels above DA. SIES!!!

  • malesela.teffo - 2012-07-12 05:45

    Cadreship deploymnt ke mathata...hw do u fight gangsters wth rubber bullets n water canoons? This minister nid some serious attention. Gangs wl shoot some ass comin wth a watercanoon.

  • reinhildheimo.bohmer - 2012-07-12 05:53

    "...Gang violence: Forget about army, Mthethwa says..." Forget about Mthethwa - we say !

      mokhoaetsidavid.chicco - 2012-07-12 06:44

      and forget for being south afrcan then

  • lerato.kay.3 - 2012-07-12 05:55

    Gangsterism crops up from drugs and other related crime. Hence to bring the army will be of little help as the army is not capacitated to do detective work, remember these gangsters are part of the community; they are the fish and community members are the sea. So proper fishing is required to get rid of these gangsters. Bringing in the army has never ended in a song anywhere in this world! Ok in the event that the army is deployed, how long will it stay? What will be the withdrawal tactic? How will handover managed? Will the army be allowed to use live ammunition in a densely populated neighbourhood. All that's needed is good police work, a right minded government will never deploy the army! One thing for sure this will be solved by police working with the community, forget politicians trying to play the blame game.

      wo0two0t - 2012-07-12 14:53

      Somehow I dont think Helen wants the SADF to replace SAPS just to assist as they are under resourced. Where does it say they would be responsible for investigating etc?

  • Melt Olckers - 2012-07-12 05:58

    But there was no problem in selling sharp point ammunition to Gadaffi for crowd control.

  • tom.vorster - 2012-07-12 06:02

    We dont ship our great army around Africa on peace keeping missions without them being trained in dealing with civil unrest, I doubt they spend their days in some remote Congolese village potting uppity villagers with sharp ammunition (that doesnt score points with the locals). Nathi is playing politics and hopes that the gang violence will place the Western Cape back in the hands of the ANC where it can begin to emulate the successes of the Eastern Cape administration.

  • sandile.makasi - 2012-07-12 06:14

    Yho! What a big blunder by Nathi Mthethwa surely there must be something constructive to say instead of his uneducated statement. I agree that sending the army alone is not enough. Much more must be done about gang violence and the tik drug abuse.

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-07-12 08:07

      Maybe having the army there while training a special police force to deal with these issues. Rotate these policemen in to different part in SA and at a certain given time draw them from different place with a new mixture of cops in from all over SA. Just keep a certain managing structure as the core and even rotate them as well. The reason for this is the corrupt influences these gangster bosses and monies can have on them and their work. In the meanwhile the investigators can do their jobs in more calm conditions. Yes, I agree. This gang violence and drug abuse MUST stop.

  • vincent.vinsaint - 2012-07-12 06:18

    Rub gangsterism off their minds and flush it away with water? Jy kan so maar send a Priest! Nkandla zol is very strong, quit it and check into a rehab.

  • brendon.nel.7 - 2012-07-12 06:23

    My god we really do have some first class top chops in our ranks. And some of the comments this morning. Wow. I mean really pull ur heads out your arses and smell the coffe man. The army aren't mindless idiots shooting at everything that moves. They are trained in crowd control and anti terrorism. Which is exactly what's happening in CT. Terror. Rather don't comment if u to stupid to say something sensible. Good day to u all.

  • Michael - 2012-07-12 06:34

    Fight fire with fire, it's a reasonable philosophy and in the case of the runaway gangsterism in the Cape clearly indicated but.....anyone remember when SA mechanized groundforces were sent in to Lesotho to quell a little unrest in that country - they (the SANDF) had their asses handed to them by a bunch of children with sticks and stones. Maybe we should send in the Navy....

  • tumelo.mabua - 2012-07-12 06:36

    Isn't it logical that an army presence will stop this violence in the interim? So if the police finds the gangsters they will spray them with water for being naughty boys! Struggling to see the ministers view point here! The army diffused taxi violence in some areas, even more recently the BRT system in Soweto! really now!

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-07-12 07:09

      Ha ha ha I'm from the cape and trust me, some of those bastard could do with a bath from the water cannon. Them fools be stinking!!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-07-12 08:10

      Wash and spank them comes to

  • kathleen.whiteley.7 - 2012-07-12 06:42

    The ANC will never win W Cape now, except by gerrymander.

  • brian.bogus.9 - 2012-07-12 06:43

    If Mexico can use their army, airforce, navy and police force to fight their drug wars why can't South Africa? Maybe if SANDF intervene our situation won't get as bad as mexico.

      Daniel - 2012-07-13 21:50

      The situation here would probably get as bad as the situation in Mexico if the SANDF were to intervene.

      nicolaas.baker - 2012-07-14 00:23

      @Brain, you ever thought that maybe the army is not capable of tackling such a complicated matter. In the old days they were properly trained for any occurance, nowadays they suip in their uniform, cannot shoot straight and wears pink slippers. The army has become a retirement centre for all those cadres that cannot be employed in govament jobs!

  • Ian - 2012-07-12 06:45

    bloody typical anc mentality, why dont you also tell the police to forget about combating crime, you are the official poster kid for the idiot brigade, anc = association of national clowns, MORONS

  • Karel du Toit - 2012-07-12 06:46

    Eish these people. Cant this minister understand? Gang violence is like gorilla warfare if the army is not equipped to handle it. Can the minister explain the difference between a crowed and a gang?

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2012-07-12 06:48

    He must be the idiot that brings a knife to a gun fight....

  • wilhelm.grobbelaar - 2012-07-12 06:48

    Don't see the point. The army is in any case doing nothing except spending the taxpayers money on "training". So use the "training" in battle against the gangsters. Well, maybe their afraid to actually be in a combat situation.

  • leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-07-12 07:00

    Listen numbnuts, you send in the Army you may start a civil war. If you don't know anything about military strategy rather shut up.

      Karel du Toit - 2012-07-12 07:09

      please inform us. Who will start this civil war? the gangs are no bigger than 20 to 30 people. Maybe the army is not competent enough so they might shoot everything up and start a civil war.

      tumelo.mabua - 2012-07-12 07:13

      It already sound like a one sided civil war! Surely soldiers being around will stop the shooting, while police investigate! And the militery strategy?

      Karel du Toit - 2012-07-12 07:21

      agree so send in the army

      brendon.nel.7 - 2012-07-12 07:21

      Why u flapping ur gums then?? Clearly u have no clue. Take ur own advice

      millionwatts1 - 2012-07-12 07:47

      Not sending the army there will escalate to civil war. You clearly don't know what a war looks like the aptly named Leaproach!

      leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-07-12 08:41

      LOL…says those who has never fired one shot of an assault rifle in anger. The Defence Force is a weapon the kill, not trained to deal with social ills that have been intreanched over many decades.

      leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-07-12 14:56

      millionwoes....oh I know how a war you?

      Billy - 2012-07-12 15:14

      " The Defence Force is a weapon the kill" er.. thats the point, drol. you do realise there is a one sided war going on there already, that the police do nothing about.

      leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-07-12 15:24

      Jou ma is 'n drol en jy weet ooglopend f0k0l van oorlog af. Regering kan nie sy eie landsburgers skiet nie....of verstaan jou twee breinselle dit nie?

      Billy - 2012-07-12 20:59

      lyk my jy het die intelligensie van n pasgebore slak, weet jou ma jy's hier? sien, maklik om strond te praat. drol. so, instead of shouting NAY until the place becomes so gangster ridden that not even the police can go close there, never mind patrol the area what is YOUR solution, warboy? dont say prison, thats like holiday inn to them.

      leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-07-13 13:20

      Not very intelligent are you Billy?! Police must sort this out with force. Army cannot be sent to sort out squabbles between rival gangs. Do tell, whose side will they be on?

      Rational100 - 2012-07-13 22:55

      Ure spot leap roach! This civilian talk amazes me sometimes. The gangster violence in the WC is about turf wars for drugs. Even you shoot dead all the suppliers the consumers will become a new breed of drug lords and the gangster violence will continue. Society with the help of police must focus on killing the market so that u have no buyers and sellers but rather honest citizens who point out any would be drug lords as they start their trade.

      Billy - 2012-07-14 02:25

      you assume that i think the army should go in guns blazing shooting anything that looks suspicious. stop assuming, it clearly doesnt work for you. if you police would stop being so proud, you might see this as an opportunity to use the army to work with/for you. since there is currently such a big problem that it has reached presidential level, while the police are currently "handling" the situation, it is clear that the police's investigation techniques are not working, either the police needs more training or they need someone that can helpe releave some pressure so they can do their investigations...

      leaproach.thekeeper - 2012-07-14 10:28

      @rational. At last a ray of sunshine those comments of yours. That's exactly the truth.

  • warwick.railton.7 - 2012-07-12 07:02

    Any country with its army patrolling the streets is in a state of emergency – ask the Irish & South American countries & the Middle East. In SA, that would be an embarrassment to the incompetent anc regime. But don't worry people, SA will soon enough have troops patrolling our every move, and it won't be to curb gangsterism............or else they would have taken parliament out already. Welcome to the coming police state the DA is proposing. Have you forgotten the 80's already? Soldiers are trained to defend their country, not annex it! Careful DA, you might get what you wish for. Knee jerk reaction Mrs. Zille……………play the ball.

      Thobile Lugwadu - 2012-07-12 07:11

      These are the words of wisdom.

      Billy - 2012-07-14 02:43

      words of paranoia, more like it.

  • Wayne - 2012-07-12 07:10

    This is a sad response from Mthethwa. Insted of using the opportunbity to try to assist in correcting the problem, he uses it as a platform to criticise those who are trying to fix the problem. "Stop politicking" he says. How ironic. Where is your solution to the problem Mthethwa? Your are the minister of police. Why are you not doing anything about it?

  • Narwahl - 2012-07-12 07:10

    Oh please equipment my @$$, gangs dont use rubber bullets so why should the cops or the army, the gangs dont throw water at each other or innocent bystanders. You just making excuses and poor ones at that.

  • phuman1 - 2012-07-12 07:13

    Admit the SAPD is not capible to protact themself. Try the army.

  • patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-07-12 07:16

    Come minister make a plan tell us how you will be stopping this. It is easy to say army is not going to work, then let your police show us.

      tumelo.mabua - 2012-07-12 07:29

      Clearly if the police solution worked this article would not have bee written! We wouldn't be talking gangsterism at all! Its time for an alternative.

  • amSilentpmStranger - 2012-07-12 07:18

    Where does politics come in when the lives of innocent ppl are in the balance? These anc figure-head puppets oughta really try using commonsense once in a while. Gangsters have guns and when fighting em you dont use water pistols, you use bigger guns.

  • andre.vandeventer.16 - 2012-07-12 07:20

    You fight fire with fire. You do not embrace criminals who kill innocent citizens with drugs and weapons. The ANC is impotent when it comes to policing. The only safe citizens are the few elite cadres who drive through the country causing havoc with their blue light thugs!

  • kyle.buitendag - 2012-07-12 07:25

    Pathetic, what does our army do currently, besides sit on there lazy @sses, doing nothing...............they should be used, and for goodness sakes, can they not be issued with rubber bullets and water cannons......not very clever Nathi...........

      charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-07-12 07:49

      We work it just showes how ignorend and uninformed you are you don't even know were your army is deployed

      johnny.arnold.167 - 2012-07-12 08:23

      1. They are in DRC, Congo etc...(Thanks for not caring) 2. ARMY wouldn't work well with rubber bullets, rather give us a radio control car if you want to give toys.

  • nellis.jonck - 2012-07-12 07:26

    How do you combat gangsterism with a water canon?

      tumelo.mabua - 2012-07-12 07:30

      Sounds like a cartoon super hero movie!

      Michael - 2012-07-12 11:13

      maybe if you wash them nice and clean they forget about their wicked ways..

  • jeremy002 - 2012-07-12 07:30

    So is he also perhaps implying that the army is not neutral, but in fact belongs to the ruling party? Is the army a politically orientated body? Ooooops! I say meet bullets with bullets and eradicate these gangsters. It is a language that they understand. They only talk the language of "Hot Lead", so talk to them already!!