Gauteng sees drop in serious crime

2012-11-06 17:22

Johannesburg - Gauteng has seen a decline in serious crimes such as armed robberies, assault, murder, and hijacking, provincial police commissioner Lieutenant General Mzwandile Petros said on Tuesday.

However, crimes such as theft out of vehicles, illegal possession of firearms and ammunition, and driving under the influence of alcohol or drugs were on the increase.

Petros presented an overview of the 2011/2012 crime statistics to the Gauteng provincial legislature's community safety portfolio committee in Johannesburg.

There were 18 bank robberies in 2011/2012, compared to 25 in 2010/2011.

Cash-in-transits heists saw a 55% reduction, from 122 to 54 in 2011/2012.

There was a 37 percent reduction in ATM bombings, from 211 reported cases to 132.

The ATM bombings went through "zigzag" phases, said Petros.

"We find that ATM bombings increase when those we arrested in the first place are released... they go and commit the crime again."

Contact crimes such as attempted murder, murder, rape and attempted rape, and assaults with grievous bodily harm went down from over 2000 cases to 1437.

Although business robberies at big businesses had declined, there had been a spike in attacks and robberies of foreign-owned businesses, especially in townships.

"Businesses owned by foreign nationals are targeted due to the high cash flow on the premises."

  • patricia.dewet.92 - 2012-11-06 17:34

    Wonderful, just wonder why they have to transfer you from WC, nothing happened there, and suddenly you did it in Gauteng.

      rodney.bevan.58 - 2012-11-06 17:47

      It's all in the timint, timing is everything in politics. Especially when you realise it's election time. Guaranteed there will be no adverse comment from the ANC in the run up to Mangaung, everything is just peachy.

      Claudia_Meads - 2012-11-06 17:48

      Indeed - at the same time you saw a serious decline in SA's maths competence - so go figure (oops, pun alert..!). I was on the floor when I read the buffoon saying "...ATM bombings went through "zigzag" phases..." OMG - just help SA..!!! To reiterate another post.., I am convinced, the ANC are already busy making Apartheid-style notices for Mangaung, saying: [ STUPID BLACKS ONLY ]

      en.gineer.359 - 2012-11-06 17:56

      Don't make up stuff just to try sound clever. It was Petros who introduced the concept of war rooms in the western cape, which saw a marked decrease in violent crime. That's why he was brought to Gauteng, not some small town in the Transkei.

      typersa.baddy - 2012-11-06 18:40

      Mmmmm, found this interesting!! "We find that ATM bombings increase when those we arrested in the first place are released... they go and commit the crime again." Why do you release em in the first place you idiots!!!

      gieljam.gomtor - 2012-11-06 18:52

      The only drop they will really see is when they look at a replay of Joel Stransky in the 1995 world cup

      beverly.young3 - 2012-11-06 19:35

      RUBBISH!!!!! the delcine is that no one bothers to call the police. They call private security and Eblockwatch..........ooooooh I get so annoyed at these statements. They can only report on figiures if anyone has bothered to report it to the police.

      Desilusionada - 2012-11-06 20:18

      @junior.mahlo.9 and timmy.khethani (that utterly rude person to call someone a bitch) No Claudia is actually right. Zig-Zag is NOT up and down. Zig-Zag is left to right. Umm Up and down on a graph is.. well up and down. Do you now get it?....

      alf.pop - 2012-11-06 21:20

      Are these declines real or are they due to the fact that attempts by the public to report crimes to the police were not answered? Are we dealing with "audited" figures here - in other words have the real figures been "massaged" like the so-called facts in most government/ANC reports? unt?

      christopherlbecker - 2012-11-07 07:00

      It's not the SAPS that's solving the Gauteng crime issues, but a booming (and I mean booming) private security industry up here. The reason CT crime has not come down but more likely has increased (according to friends and family in CT) is because the private security industry has been relatively slower to take off there. Yet government takes credit for the private sector fixing its failures.

  • Mike - 2012-11-06 17:37

    Right! I believe provincial police commissioner Lieutenant General Mzwandile Petros. Do you?

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-11-06 17:43

    Why the hell don't I believe you Commissioner??!!!!

      terrylee.heuer - 2012-11-07 12:12

      I was being sarcastic David

  • en.gineer.359 - 2012-11-06 17:45

    South Africans will never believe good news, I guess for valid reasons. But if people had other sources of info besides News24, you would know that banks and financial institutions have echoed what he's saying. They know exactly how many bank robberies and cash in transit heists have occured, and all have said these figures have been dropping for the past few years. There was a time when there was almost 1 bank robbery a day in one can say that's the case now.

      en.gineer.359 - 2012-11-06 18:22

      Are you able to counter a valid point? Because your comment sounds like you're using daddy's computer without his permission. Point is, if Petros was making these numbers up, the financial institutions would be the first to call bull. Banks by their very nature are stingy with their money, hence they know exactly how many robberies and heists have occured. If his numbers don't agree, they would speak up. Add to that, companies like SBV have independently said the number of heists have gone down, without Petros saying anything. Do you have a MATURE counter to that? Or did i just waste 2 minutes typing?

  • mfanah.radebe - 2012-11-06 17:49

    Ohhhh It december time does numbers will increase like never b4\r\nJozi ahhh!

  • kim.buren - 2012-11-06 17:58

    Oh really?? Not everyone reports crime anymore as some SAP are involved. Shaking my head and rolling my eyes

  • shaylene.stenger - 2012-11-06 18:03

    Hmmmm of what figures are you basing the stats on? What about the crimes that are not reported? I smell a case of Bull Sh*T!

      en.gineer.359 - 2012-11-06 18:07

      You think if there was a bank robbery or heist the banks wouldn't know about it??? And do you think if his figures don't match those figures kept by financial institutions, they wouldn't be the 1st to call bullsh*t? Please stop wasting bandwidth if you have nothing original to say

      shaylene.stenger - 2012-11-06 18:12

      Clearly bank robberies and heists are the only serious crime.... In your view... I'm talking about serious crimes in a broad prespective... So before u want to try dis me to make yourself look smart may I suggest u stop waisting band width on idiot remarks and look at the broader picture!!!!!!

      en.gineer.359 - 2012-11-06 18:43

      Serious crimes in my view....murder, house robberies, bank robberies, cash in transit heists, business robberies, hijacking. All of these crimes are reported (most of the time) to the police since people usually make some sort of insurance claim, and with respect to murder, I doubt there are hundreds of thousands of undiscovered bodies. Of course there are plenty occasions where people don't bother reporting, such as a stolen cell phone, but who in their right mind wouldnt report a murder? Yes crime is still way to high, but serious violent crimes have decreased in Gauteng, like Petros says. The police aren't the only ones with stats....CPF's, insurance companies, research institutions, etc etc. Just saying \you don't believe\ is taking the easy way out

      typersa.baddy - 2012-11-06 18:45

      @en.gineer.359 - We are not only talking about bank robberies you idiot!! Look at farm murders, serious assaults, General murders.... And then violent strikes. Stop talking k** and get back under your rock.

      shaylene.stenger - 2012-11-06 18:52

      What about the rape statistics? Some woman don't report it because of being ashamed or intimidated. Or people who are not insured therefor they don't see the need to report the crime? Or how about cases that have been reported but magically the paperwork dissapears?

      shaylene.stenger - 2012-11-06 18:58

      You have just said in your wording - \most of the time\ , which is what I base my argument on that the stats cannot be correct as there is still unaccounted serious crimes which haven't been reported!

      en.gineer.359 - 2012-11-06 19:09 I say. Do you personally believe there were...let's say, a thousand, no even 200 more farm murders committed than what the police say? Do you believe South Africans get home, find a relative murdered and tell no one? Rape is a different story, since dads rape their own kids, so those figures will always be under-reported. I'm commenting on the title of this article....violent crime in GAUTENG decreasing. I stay in Germiston, trust me I've experienced crime 1st hand. I would be living under a rock if I said I feel safe and all is good, which I did not.

      shaylene.stenger - 2012-11-06 19:40

      So then how can Pedros say that VIOLENT crimes have decrease in GAUTENG, if ALL violent crimes (not just murder and bank robberies)are not accounted for? The stats are then based on incorrect information

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  • peter.t.solomon - 2012-11-06 18:06

    Just on paper. It doesn't make a difference. It's still the most dangerous place to live in SA.

  • ashley.stroebel - 2012-11-06 18:17

    LOL ...Ya right.....

  • michael.j.anderson.144 - 2012-11-06 18:18

    this is great news! Which means that only 50 women are raped every hour instead of 60. WTF? come to the papers when the crime is zero, until then, ANC, you're one big FAIL

  • sello.r.molefe - 2012-11-06 18:22

    Serious drop in reporting cos people hav given up

  • morrisn2 - 2012-11-06 18:24

    Whats the point of realising such data if ppl arer readily 2 dismiss it as hogwash! If crime not reported hw do they suppose 2 knw it transpired! If u got nothing 2 say, jst shush guys!

      shaylene.stenger - 2012-11-06 18:45

      What about the poor woman who have been raped and are to ashamed of reporting it or are intimidated?

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-11-06 18:31

    Why use a pic of a black guy?. Seriously now news24.

      sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-11-06 18:39

      oh mybad its mzwandile, he looks like crook though.

  • julie.vanniekerk.3 - 2012-11-06 18:37

    Bull dust, I don't believe it!

  • aspruyt - 2012-11-06 18:49

    Yeah it wont show on the figures if the case files are thrown away as I have personally seen them fall out of folders, strewn on the ground and never picked up in police stations. If you don't record it according to these nincompoops it didn't happen!

  • Danie Gerber - 2012-11-06 18:53

    I wonder who the SAPS is trying to fool because it sure aint South Africans. we have lost faith in the SAPS long time ago.

  • N'pho J. Nenzhelele - 2012-11-06 19:02

    possibly people have lost trust in police, hence they don't report crime anymore, ... but how is a black man's face related to this story...

  • Omnivore - 2012-11-06 19:09

    So why release ATM bombers? If theres one thing I like about China...

  • faraimbx - 2012-11-06 19:19

    why so much crime in south africa ? honestly i dont understand , look at Zimbabwe 99% of the cops are corrupt but they dont allow people to get away with rape murder deadly assaults.

  • njdejager - 2012-11-06 19:21 you think everyone is brain dead? Look around you dear Commisioner does this province look peaceful and violence free to you? NO! So whats your point?

  • andre.smit.94009 - 2012-11-06 19:43

    Do you generate these stats on some computer program or do you just suck them out of your thumb? Only 132 atm bombings? Should this impress us or should this be acceptable. Please share these stats with the thousands of victims of rape, assault, murder, armed home invasions etc. Your stats mean about as much as the zim doillar ie its worthless. If you want to impress us then do something so that the south african citizens (yes this is SA so I would think that the south africans should be protected against the criminal elements streaming across our borders). When we feel safe we will believe your stats, but as long as we are victimised I suggest you sell your lies to manequins or maybe barbie dolls, because that is the only iq group that might believe you.

  • makarapakaplan - 2012-11-06 20:36

    Just because you stopped doing the paperwork doesn't mean it's dropped!!

  • Montagnes.Bleues - 2012-11-07 06:14

    Criminals have been anc bussed off to western cape and outlying farm areas by chance?

  • quartus.vanzyl - 2012-11-07 07:16

    Yea....right, crime is coming down. Any more jokes, Petros?

  • Hemlock - 2012-11-07 08:31

    BULLSH*T !!! I don't believe a word of what the ANC say. Once again the ANC are fabricating cr*p in another epic fail in trying to fool intelligent citizens! Time these creeps get voted OUT.....

  • tobie.schalkwyk.7 - 2012-11-07 09:09

    Crime simply shifted from hard targets to soft targets (house breaking and armed robberies of unarmed people at home / restaurants / parties). For some reason those figures have not been mentioned by Petros...

  • annette.duvenhage.1 - 2012-11-29 12:52

    Really, this bafoon thinks we all have the same braincells. Who do they try and fool, two year olds.....?????

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