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Girl raped by friend's boyfriend

2010-12-22 17:22

Johannesburg - A 15-year-old girl was allegedly raped by her friend's boyfriend in Jabulani, Soweto, police said on Wednesday.

Warrant Officer Kay Makhubela said she was with a friend and the friend's boyfriend and they had been drinking liquor.

Suddenly the friend's boyfriend allegedly started assaulting her and demanded that she take her clothes off.

"He raped her without a condom," said Makhubela.

The 20-year-old boyfriend was arrested and was expected to appear in the Protea Magistrate's Court soon.

The girl was taken to a doctor and was expected to also be counselled.

Comments
  • Banned - 2010-12-22 17:58

    When you 15 and drunk just how will you defend yourself?

      hannes.visagie - 2010-12-22 18:19

      not to condone the underage drinking, she should not have done that in the first place, but a 15 year old girl cannot defend herself against a 20 year old man.

      moiraine - 2010-12-22 19:21

      I think we really need to have a strong education campaign about the dangers of drinking, and how to protect yourselves. You hear so many of these stories of young girls putting themselves in dangerous situations and then being raped. Having said that, it is not her fault, she would have been totally unable to defend herself and he should have known better.

      Wendy - 2010-12-23 08:01

      well said

      pillay010 - 2010-12-23 11:27

      What exactly is this 15 year old doing drinking. Parents need to have more control over their kids. If she was not out drinking she would be safe at home

      The Patriot - 2010-12-23 12:24

      Now you all question the under age drinking. Are you saying the girl deserved it? This is the problem with the men in this country. Always an excuse to justify rape. WTF is it with you people?

      mashishiv - 2010-12-23 14:20

      @Patriot.This young girls dont deserve to be protected. go to a resort called fountains in Tshwane, you will see why. i even doubt she was raped, you'll find out that she and her boyfriend's friend thought the boyfriend was sleeping and he woke up to find them having sex, and she now cries rape!

      The Patriot - 2010-12-23 18:05

      @Mash, Oddly, I expect that comment coming from you.

      Itoldyouso - 2010-12-24 11:50

      @Patriot, you are quite right in all you say, however (and sadly) reality is quite different and common sense should prevail - without it the "soft" targets WILL become victims WITHOUT DESERVING IT, you can moan and groan all you like, moaning and groaning will not change our reality.

      Mike - 2010-12-24 13:32

      A 15yr old girl can infact defend herself if she is properly trained and has martial intent. In my opinion all girls in this country should recieve some form of self defence training at a relatively young age. In point of fact I know of a 14yr old girl who was able to ward off two adult male attackers using nothing but a pencil. (She stabbed one in the neck and the other in the eye)

  • Kristi10 - 2010-12-22 19:23

    Where was the "friend" during all this? 15 year old drinking with a 20 year old man? What is the parent's responsibility? I am sorry that this terrible crime happened to this girl... Everyone please take care of where your kids are and with whom.

      Kristi10 - 2010-12-22 20:44

      The fact that I do not have a black lady that help me raise my kids does that make me a "poor white"? I raised my children (daughter 16 and boys 13 and 15) to think before they go an socialise with people I have also taught them to be responsible and always know where they are even when I am working very late and very long hours like most south africans... Colourblind, as parents you must know where your kids are at all times I work very very hard to give my kids a better life than what I had. (Trust me i did not have it easy) I thought my kids that their responsibilty is to respect the hard work I put in for them to have a better life. Drinking at a young age is disrespectfull to the hard work that parents have put in to make a better life for their kids regardsless of what colour skin they might have. It is not white people's fault the girl got raped.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-22 20:57

      Whoa whoa whoa...in never implied any of that Kristi. Please read my post carefully. I wasn't blaming you, not white people for the girls rape. I was blaming broken social structures and broken homelife for the lack of supervision that led to the underage drinking and subsequent rape. I am sure you have a wonderful family and that you are doing your best to raise them well. Goodluck with that and have a blessed festive season with your family. :-)

      Grazy - 2010-12-22 21:29

      Uhmm, it stays a bitch of a thing to do your bit to give a black a job and pay her to look after your kid while you work, and him to get a salary on a distant mine, and at the same time do your bit to set them free without a salary so that they can hold their family structure together. Eishhhhhh it is difficult to be white, you can never win.

      Kristi10 - 2010-12-22 21:30

      @ Colourblind, your post started with the claim that black people go of early in the morning to go to help raise white kids and come back late at night therefore the poor black children have no parents... That is blaming. We ALL have to work. I do have a wonderfull family that I am very proud of. I wish you and your family a fantastic festive season and only the best for the new year.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-22 21:52

      Kristi, it has less to do with the fact that black moms have to work and more to do with the fact that they have to commute 3-6 hours a day to get there because of where their settlements are located. Those are hours they lose spending time with and raising their families. It's sadly the way of our world which is a pity. Changing this, in my mind, is part of the solution. How, I have no idea at this point in time.

      Kristi10 - 2010-12-22 22:01

      I get your point and it is very very sad. I would like to widh every parent and child a better festive season than what this girl and her parents are going through.

      Fudge Pecker - 2010-12-23 01:49

      Please don't let the Black moms raise white kids, they might murder, steel, rape and get into child porn thereafter, like the child porn freaks from Pretoria.... Grazy, shut up! Many black domestic workers get paid leave.... and many of them sell out their WHITE employers to get robbed, murdered & raped... Colourblind, you don't seem to be very colour blind, with all your white white scriptures....! Comments like yours provide the fuel to the fire...!

      Krush - 2010-12-23 02:51

      Well then colourblind maybe they should stop having so many children if theyre unable to afford to raise them properly.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 08:56

      Krush, I am a strong supporter of population control, but with the lack of a proper social security and pension system in this country having tons of kids so that they can look after you in your old age is actually a brilliant idea, don't you think? Until a workable system is in place to take care of the elderly, it doesn't make long term sense for black families to be smaller. The counter argument is that less children would have better opportunities, but the risk is just too great as there are no gurentees that that one child will indeed be successful. There is also the very real possibility of death through crimes or accidents (squatter camps are dangerous environments) and that would leave a childless mother destitute at her old age. The issue is a lot more complex that you want to make it out to be.

      mazwi.sthe - 2010-12-23 09:14

      well said colourblind.

      carinx - 2010-12-23 10:28

      @colourblind. I've never come across such selfish explanation for having a lot of kids. so one should have 12 who have to go without food, reasonable living standards & conditions, education etc just so ouma & oupa can live well? and how well will this 'well' be if all the kids are without jobs too? ag please! you are living in a dream world. also, poor earth is also feeling the strain of all these parasites. omg you must be zuma's father or something

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 11:22

      @carinx I'll type slowly so that you can understand because you are obviously not reading what I said or not comprehending. Firstly: I am an advocate for small families. Our planet cannot sustain our population if it continues to grow at this rate. Any responsible person in this day and age should not be having more than 2 children in my opinion. Secondly: While you may think it is selfish, it is a means of self preservation and a cultural norm. In many cultures kids are tasked to take care of their elders. It is in my opinion just as selfish to stick your ageing parent in a retirement home, out of sight and out of mind, and forget about them as some Westerners do. The best is obviously some middle ground, but with the lack of resources and options some of these people have I struggle to see how people can be shocked or surprised by the choices they make. You must be very naive and complete oblivious to their hardships.

      141mat - 2010-12-23 11:39

      @Colourblind. How are you going to be able to look after the elderly if there are so many of them. The bigger the family the less chance they have to get out of the economic situation they are in. It is really strange to say that the bigger the better when it comes to poor families. You should know how many black families have to look after others children and its not just 1 other its usually a few. I fully agree with you when it comes to family structures being a cause of the problem. Thats what you need to fix NOT FLIPPEN HAVE MORE. That is so stupid. More people means more unemployment which means more government grants have to be given out meaning that the money has to be spread out over more people and each will get less. How does that help, i do not get it, not at all. But again yes, i stand by your statement that fathers need to come home (be a dad), my dad was hardly ever at home he was always going around the country for his job andhe did not get much and so i know what that can do to a person but I thank God everyday that when he came home he was a real dad to me. Families break apart way too easily these days. With that said I wish ALL a very merry christmas and may your new year bring more happiness and hope than you can handle. Peace.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 11:58

      @141mat While I agree that it is a downward spiral, and the numbers game does seem counter-productive in the long run, it is a model that is common amongst poor folks all around the world. Places in India, squatter camps in South America that rival our own and even ghettos in the USA experience poor families having more children than they can reasonably afford to have. The model is based on survival, maximising potential breadwinners and having hands around the house to help with tasks and chores. For example, it helps having a kid to walk 3km to go fetch water for drinking, cooking and cleaning when you have a household to run and cannot sacrifice 3 hours to do something so simple yourself. I think a lot of people seriously underestimate the hardships these people face and how challenging something so simple as filling a tub with water to wash can be for these people. Simple things we take for granted. How full and busy is your day? Can you imagine having 3 hours less do complete your other tasks if you had to go an walk that distance every time you needed 10 litres of water for something? People need to take the time and go and see these hardships first hand to really understand. White people also had large families in though times to help carry the heavier loads of those times.

      AZB - 2010-12-23 12:52

      @Colorblind- I agree with you, part of the problem is the family structures in townships. Another part is intimidation. Think about it, most of the criminals live in the townships, you want to tell me the locals don't know who they are? They do but they do nothing because they are scared. The youth and in particular the black youth should be nutrured and educated. Something I believe the various youth organisations be involved in (is'nt that what they are there for?; but no they much rather play daddy politics). Also, family size and the number of kids makes things worse. In the past 16 years I have not heard once from the Government a word or two to encourage adults to have less kids. With 15m people on the dole (hand-outs) and growing this surely cannot be sustainable and affordable to the country.

      THH - 2010-12-23 12:58

      @Colourblind Bud you seem to be an inteligent person so would you not say that it is high time that these large families give up and rather put a less of a burden on the system. In doing so there would be more jam to spread on everyones bread that you wont have to bring another life of hardship here to carry your water and actually have it running in your house. I know you will say but I dont know what its like but when I look back on my childhood I only had a father and it would have been great if had decided to marry and make more children to lighten the load but that would probbally meant that I would be earning a minimum wage today due to how thin the jam would have had to be spread. What I am saying is dont sit around and wait for the system to change when you are making it worse by having more than you can afford in hopes that they will care for you or will fetch you water or whatever you might need them for and actually bite the bullet and make the change start with you.

      Bratt - 2010-12-23 13:13

      Nothing seems to promote racism like these 'forums'. You really get a wake-up call on the mentality of our fellow citizens. Great job N24.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 13:30

      @Bratt, indeed, but News24 thrives off the controversy. They need the hate and the racism, otherwise they would do more and report differently in order to limit it. @THH, I get your point and agree with you, but people will not let go of their current lifeline (big families) until a proper safety net is in place. For many it would be suicide to do so in a system that has failed them over and over and over again. The risk is just too big and the minuscule chance of a slightly better life if they do take the risk is just not worth it.

      THH - 2010-12-23 13:56

      @Colourblind Dont you think it is high time that all understand that life is better to have one that is loved and has the absolute best all his life and in doing so can bring in what 10 min wage earners could and then your future is also sorted and you dont even need the system.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 14:29

      @TTH While I agree with you, it is easy for us to say that because we have nothing to loose. Our futures are secure. Those less fortunate will need some more convincing. This is only theory and theory hardly every works in practice exactly like expected. Even though I believe it is the way to go as well I cannot guarantee 100% that it will work for every family.

      THH - 2010-12-23 14:39

      @Colourblind Agreeded but the chances stand a lot higher than the other route but like you say that is how I see it and you will see it because we have one common ground through the power of a Education which is lacjing in most senses of these cases.

      THH - 2010-12-23 14:40

      Not "lacjing" But "lacking" my bad

      cancer1983 - 2010-12-23 16:14

      I like you Colourblind! You're an objective, rational thinker. Passion for change is a good thing, but passion should be tempered by objectivity to consider issues from all perspectives. There's two sides to every coin. We cannot pass judgement on another culture unless first attempt to understand that culture. I'm going to jump into the argument; I just wanted to applaud your cool temperament in your responses. It's not as common as one would expect.

      kg - 2010-12-23 18:44

      @colourblind. My Grandmother was one of ten children and lived in abject poverty as a child; she married my grandfather, equally as poor and also from a large family; they had four children who my grandmother managed to get educated, despite working long hours as a shop assistant whilst relying on family to help with the kids, (her husband died when the oldest was 8 and the youngest 3 years old); those 4 children gave her 7 grandchildren, each one now well educated and pretty well off. My grandmother was looked after in her old age as are the parents of the children. Therein lies the answer: hard work and fewer children who are well brought up and decently educated.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 19:42

      Sounds like a poor family rich in love and support, kg. A strong family unit. That model can work and does work occasionally as your example proves. I consider 4 children to be a lot! Especially when living in abject poverty!

      kg - 2010-12-23 22:12

      You're dead right. But the point is that the fewer children one has, to an optimim of course, the more time and attention can be spent on the few. It took more than one generation for my family to work that out, but I am seeing other families in South Africa catching on a lot quicker and going from huge families to two or three children families in one generation. The more we see of this the greater our chance to prosper.

  • Tsepo - 2010-12-22 20:40

    DA EXPRESS DISAPPROVAL OF CHILD RAPE On behalf of Democratic Alliance we would like to condemn child rape in different episode happened in Jabulani Soweto. The report released by the Medical Research Council stating that one in four South African men had raped a woman or girl, is deeply disturbing. Of equal concern is that roughly 10% of these men forced themselves on a victim before the age of ten. If we are to stand any chance of rectifying this appalling situation, urgent action needs to be taken in three critical areas. First, the fact that minors and young people are participating in such acts of cruelty needs to be addressed. Second, the severe underreporting of rape is a fundamental problem that needs to be addressed .Third; appropriate attitudes and positions need to be taken by those in leadership positions. I would like to see the law to take its case in Registered sex offender goes back to prison for child rape. We can no longer send the little boys to a shop. The Democratic Alliance believes that, by not placing more emphasis on the rights of victims of crime, the government is failing to fulfil a key responsibility to the citizens of this country. Upholding the rights of victims must become a central focus of the criminal justice system. Ensuring victims' rights is crucial to: Thanks COUNCILLOR TSEPO MHLONGO

      Robnob - 2010-12-23 06:41

      FINALLY a voice of reason in these forums. Thank you Councillor.

      Karin - 2010-12-23 08:56

      Quote "Rape is the only crime where the victim becomes the accused" unquote

      Badger - 2010-12-23 09:09

      Councillor Tsepo, If you run for the President's Office I will back you all the way. We need a shit load more people like you in government. I don'y care if you are Black, White, Brown or Green as long as you get the (decent) done. Thanks !!

      S.Soga - 2010-12-23 11:01

      @Colourblind....well said, couldn't have said it better myself. Tsepo, wtf man? please don't bore us with such crap. The townships need you brother!!

      Bratt - 2010-12-23 13:20

      So... what are you going to do about it? This is what we want to know.

      mashishiv - 2010-12-23 14:41

      @Tshepo. You were very quiete when white grandparents were arrested after being found making child porn movies, i never heared your voice when toddlers were killed by a racist farmers son or when an afrikaner author made racist remarks by saying she hated black people, or dont you consider yourself black like the coloureds do?

      THH - 2010-12-23 14:58

      Get into the grass roots and dont come here looking for support all what you look like is a puppy looking to get petted. The only thing you are going to do here is stroke peoples ego's and that comes from a supporter but I wonder what you going to do about it like Bratt said

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 19:01

      I don't mind politicians embracing social media and technology in order to communicate with constituents. It is very forward thinking and admirable. But, as the people here have said, what would the DA have done differently? You need to get to these communities and convince the people that you could have made a difference. If you were to gain power tomorrow, how would you change things so that this would never have happened. You need to start winning some hearts and minds out there!

      Robnob - 2010-12-24 06:49

      Easy for you @Colourblind to ask what the DA do to convince the people they can make a difference. Whats the point? The majority are mostly uneducated and will vote for the ANC till they die. Logic and reason are not what they base their votes on.

      Viva! SA - 2010-12-24 07:22

      Excellent Councillor Tsepo! Please go public (News papers and TV) with your inputs. There are millions of citizens in this country that need and hope for leaders like you! Go for it!!

      Colourblind - 2010-12-24 08:34

      @Robnob, so they should not even try? Just give up and and wait 40 years until all these loyal ANC supporters die? The same loyal ANC supporters that participate in public service strikes? What a defeatist attitude you have. Politics is like sales. They need to go and sell their policies and initiatives in these townships. Until these people don't know that the DA are planning to help them and look out for them, they will not even consider voting for them. Some people in rural areas think the DA want to bring back Apartheid for crying out loud! That is the level of ignorance (or disinformation) that is out there. It is up to the DA to correct this, and it will not be done via the internet, I can assure you that.

      Robnob - 2010-12-24 10:04

      O no, I'm not saying don't try. I know that the educated vote is vastly outnumbered yet I cast my vote at every opportunity. Unfortunately the wrong message is being sent out by the ruling party, whom the general public trust with their lives. If you look at what is happening in the Western Cape at the moment the DA (who is generally doing a good job) risks losing that area too due to foul play. In the last week more than 500+ informal houses have gone up in Worcester, unemployed people from the Eastern Cape relocated by the ANC to gain votes in the upcoming election. This is Worcester alone! Where else are these people filling up just in time to cast an ANC vote?

      Colourblind - 2010-12-24 10:21

      Oh, I have no doubt there is foul play afoot and that we are outnumbered Rob. I moved to Cape Town from Gauteng recently and the differences are vast. What I am saying is that the DA should take the fight to the Ruling party. Go on the offensive. Use their successes in the Western Cape to win hearts and minds. Show them instead of just telling them. Take community representatives in the wards that used to vote ANC and now vote DA to explain why they changed their vote. They need to get creative. If they are already doing these things I apologise, but then they are not marketing them enough.

      MallyVonD@24.com - 2010-12-24 19:35

      SO DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT!!!!! Another politician talking k@k!!!! All we do is listen to you okes talk sh*t and NEVER EVER DO F#CKALL ABOUT ANY OF THE K@K IN OUR COUNTRY!!!all we hear from you the DA as well as the ANC is blah blah blah blah eish and yoh with a little scratch of the head!!!

  • johnstonel32 - 2010-12-23 03:06

    Colour has nothing to do with it - didn't you read ... A 15 YEAR OLD GIRL WAS RAPED BY A 20 YEAR OLD MAN - who gives a shit if they're black or white for f's sake - RAPE IS RAPE !!!!!!!!!!!!!

      141mat - 2010-12-23 11:41

      Well said

      moiraine - 2010-12-23 17:56

      wish they had a like button here!

      Maryna123 - 2011-02-21 14:46

      @moiraine There is a like button - the little hand at the bottom of each comment, click on it and the 0 increases.

  • SA_Cherub - 2010-12-23 06:54

    It's amazing how ALL stories of crime bring out the race debate ... I personally feel that being raped is being raped ...I am a white woman and was raped in matric by my white boyfriend ... to me that was traumatic and a bad memory ... I have never once thought "thank goodness he wasn't black" or "am so glad I was raped by a white guy" ... RAPE IS RAPE ... Rape is a violation of a woman's body, dignity and her entire being, regardless of what colour or age she is, and regardless of what colour, age or background the rapist is.

      Bhuga - 2010-12-23 08:35

      Thank you for educating some of these dam ass SA_Cherub. No man has the right to violate a woman... Man who rape should have there dicks cut off. No means No. I'm getting tired of people reading news articles and misinterpret things said in the news article. Suddenluy it ends up in a race thing... Two years ago, man ropped and trided to rape my mother but he was not successful.... The mere fact that he want to rape my mother, evoked some feels of hate. I was prepared to kill... He was arrested and is serving a 5-year sentence... but his life is a living hell becuase ot the connections i have in prison...

      deeply_dippy - 2010-12-23 10:04

      SA_C i was almost raped by a school friend. Luckily i fought him off and ran! but it was traumatic enough. @Bhuga - good on you!I totally understand your anger. Last night my family were robbed on the south coast whilst they slept. my 15mnth son was with my mom for this week. all i could think of was if they had hurt my family and especially my son i would have hunted them down and made them suffer. luckily my initial anger and hatred has calmed down and i thank God that they were only robbed.

      KING SA - 2010-12-23 11:12

      I feel sorry for any woman that goes through this traumatic experience. It is a most heinour crime and a gross injustice against humanity. It goes against all that man has achieved over the ages. In my eyes, a man that does this is not a man but a piece of #%?& !!! I would never ever consider doing this to any woman! No means no, get it into your thick skulls if you are able to think (irrespective of race)!

  • motilallc - 2010-12-23 07:29

    Lack of parental care. A 15 year old should not be drinking in the first place. That moron needs to be raped in prison. Tit for tat! Parents wake up and monitor your kid's wherabouts at ALL times.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 09:04

      You have got the cause 100% right. Unfortunately the solution is more tricky. Very difficult to keep track of your kids when you have limited resources and cannot be close to home as many black moms are :-(

  • T-Busch - 2010-12-23 08:20

    the education department is quick to change subjects, how about they take away LO (life orientation - which really isn't practiced properly) and replace it with self defence classes so that young girls will know how to protect themselves, now kids have to study subjects that are not beneficial to them but nothing about how to protect yourself in a dangerous situation! no wonder kids have turned out the way they have!

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 09:10

      LO is a BS subject I completely agree. Another solution is also to invest in youth centres and sports academies in these areas. These kids have nothing to do when they get home from school. No parental supervision to force them to do homework, no X-Boxes and Playstations and PCs to keep the kids occupied....so they do what boys and girls have done for centuries when parents are not around: drink, smoke and have sex. Set up some well funded after school community centres with soccer pitches and leagues for the boys, skills training sessions for those that are interested (accounting, business, needlework, artisan training, computer skills) and over time you will see a gradual drop in crime and criminals from these areas.

      Milo29 - 2010-12-23 09:45

      T-Busch. This is the best comment I have read so far. Perhaps a martial arts class instead of LO. The kids will have to do an exam on it, same as Eng & Maths. This will ensure that all kids are prepared for the world out there... well said. Perhaps the Ministers of Education should take note of thia.

      141mat - 2010-12-23 11:44

      I think only the girls should get the option as it would not help if they both knew martial arts. BUT AMAZING IDEA, and i think a lot of young women would agree.

      Bratt - 2010-12-23 13:24

      You are now assuming boys do not get raped, just because you do not hear of it. But we'll let that slip. All the children should do the class if it is being offered, for fairly obvious reasons if you think about it. And indeed, probably the most constructive comment since the beginning of this comment fiesta.

  • Bhuga - 2010-12-23 08:36

    I'm getting tired of people reading news articles and misinterpret things said in the news article. Suddenluy it ends up in a race thing... Two years ago, man ropped and trided to rape my mother but he was not successful.... The mere fact that he want to rape my mother, evoked some feels of hate. I was prepared to kill... He was arrested and is serving a 5-year sentence... but his life is a living hell becuase ot the connections i have in prison...

      Bratt - 2010-12-23 13:25

      OMG...

  • Badger - 2010-12-23 09:05

    @ Kristi10 and Colourblind, come over here and give "Big Groups Hugs", hugs hugs hugs !!!!!!

  • Doug - 2010-12-23 09:12

    Drinking liquor at 15! Yes I know it happens but............

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 09:54

      It is fairly common in white neighbourhoods as well Doug. Maybe not to the same extent, and for the same reasons, but I remember sneaking into my dad's liquor cabinet at around that age and sneaking some booze to impress friends when my parent's weren't around.

      S.Soga - 2010-12-23 11:08

      @Doug, you aint seen nothing man, it gets hectic.

      THH - 2010-12-23 13:05

      @Doug what did you do when you were 15? Me well doing what everyone else was, don't think it does not happen.

      nuclear - 2010-12-23 16:07

      It's fairly common in all neighbourhoods. It comes with High School & wanting to be cool! I had my first drink at 15, so can't judge there. She obviously trusted this guy & he violated that trust!

      moiraine - 2010-12-23 17:58

      It is common in all neighbourhoods, I think the kids just drink more expensive stuff in richer neighbourhoods! Sadly, the same goes for drugs. Many kids are out there drinking, sadly there are some who suffer for it, like this poor girl.

  • deeply_dippy - 2010-12-23 09:50

    Firstly, she should not have been drinking and that situation, and secondly where was her friend? Could the friend not have helped? Or was the friend motherless and passed out? Shame on this young 'man' for doing what he did. I pray my son does not turn out to be what a lot of young men are today - disrespectful and lacking in morals.

      Bratt - 2010-12-23 13:26

      It's Julius Malema's fault. Can't believe no one has blamed him for this yet.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 13:57

      Indeed surprising yes.

      MallyVonD@24.com - 2010-12-24 19:41

      i blame julias!!! sorry guys

  • Nice Guy - 2010-12-23 10:31

    If you were all drinking then unfortunately it becomes hard to prove that it was rape. She must just put this down to an enjoyable experience that is best forgotten now......i bet she's just worried what the friend will say - they had alcohol, became frisky, had sex and now she realises the friend will be upset so she cries rape - thats the way i see it. You get this all the time. It's particularly endemic amonsgt the tribes of Soweto

      KING SA - 2010-12-23 11:14

      Dude, are you for real??? What is wrong with you??? Rape is not something to joke about!!!

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 11:30

      Not a very nice comment there Nice Guy. This could have been a bone fide case of a 20 year old man raping a drunk 15 year old girl and you have basically said she is a liar without any evidence. We ask our justice system to side with the victim until proven otherwise, but yet people like you don't do it yourself. You don't find that a tad hypocritical? While your scenario is not impossible, with a lack of evidence at this stage, do you really think it is worth it saying it out loud and making yourself to look like a heartless man, just on the off chance that in a could of days you can say "I told you so!" if you turn out to be right? It is truly sickening.

      Tarryn - 2010-12-23 11:44

      oh...so what you are saying is if we were out having a few drinks with a bunch of friends, and one of the guys had to attack one of the girls, that she consented to having sex with him, just because she was drinking????? i doubt any women will be able to defend herself against a man...Do you have a daughter, or even sisters?? If this had to happen to one of them, what would you say?? dude seriously get your head out of your arse and open your eyes...

      141mat - 2010-12-23 11:46

      And how would you know that? Just a question really interested in your explanation.

      Nice Guy - 2010-12-23 12:15

      What happended to the concept of innocent until proven guilty. Otherwise everyone can just make an accusation and someone innocent gets into trouble. If she was drunk its gonna be near impossible for her to prove that she resisted and said no. Just because the media says so doesn't make this gy guilty. Look what happened with the Shrien Dewani case. We were so desparate to make it look like an organised hit so they media hyped it all up and now we are going to look like fools cos the proof will be circumstantial.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 12:33

      While I'll concede that the man is indeed innocent until proven guilty, the accuser can also not just just be branded a liar, because of the fact that she was drinking. I do agree though that it is going to be very, very, very difficult to prosecute or convict him given the circumstances if they have been reported accurately.

      pointblankza - 2010-12-23 12:36

      @Nice Guy, a female under the age of 16 having sex is illegal period. It is then considered statutory rape... there is no such thing as having a good time at that age. Now, go wash your ox wagon and plough some mielies.

      Tarryn - 2010-12-23 12:46

      The media say ' she was drinking' not that she was utterly drunk she could not resist, she could have had half a glass to drink before the incident....

      THH - 2010-12-23 13:12

      @Nice Guy You can only be one the many that give us the shocking stat of been the rape capital. Do you think it is a bed of roses for these girls to cry rape at 15 do you understand what the district surgeon has to do to them to secure evidence and what your mentality do to them when in the street. May god bless you that you never have a daughter for her sake, people like you make me want to send you to papa and ask you to put it down as an enjoyable experience.

      Bratt - 2010-12-23 13:30

      At the risk of feeding the troll, the article does say that the boyfriend allegedly assaulted the girl. That doesn't sound very consentual or enjoyable does it? And what's with the 'tribes of Soweto'?

      moiraine - 2010-12-23 18:05

      Actually it shouldnt be difficult to prosecute at all. The girl is underage so if they had sex it is rape. All she has to prove is that intercourse took place.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 19:03

      Very valid point moiraine! I overlooked that fact! Thanks!

  • Tarryn - 2010-12-23 10:57

    Rape is rape....whether you are black, white, green, purple....RAPE IS RAPE!!! It's sickening how whenever things like this happen, it always turns to race....why can't this country get over this, and stand united against rape, murder, robbery???but I guess its always easier to turn the race card...sick...Whether a women is black white, indian, whatever colour, no man has the f&^&ing right to demand anything, especially our bodies and dignity from us!!!!!!

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 11:25

      I doubt there is anybody that would not agree 100% with you Tarryn. Shallow minded people and lazy thinkers just like to play the race card because it helps them sleep at night. Easier to say "It is in their genes" than to actually admit that we as society have it within our power to prevent these people from becoming monsters yet choose to do nothing.

      Tarryn - 2010-12-23 11:47

      Very shallow minded and closed minded people, yes!!

      Tarryn - 2010-12-23 12:49

      Oh so any women that gets raped deserves it, what about a 6 month old child?? what about a 2 year old child?? did you never drink before you were 18?

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 13:06

      Just ignore him Tarryn He is just a troll baiting you into an emotional response. It is because of people like him that these comments blocks are now a haven for trolls and reactionaries rather than people wanting to make constructive comments. The same thing happened to youtube.

      Kenko - 2010-12-23 13:15

      Colourblind, I agree with most of what you said, but how can we as society prevent these people from becoming monsters? They are predisposed to do these awful things, due to their culture and the society they grow up in. I know the argument that it's in their genes sound harsh, but remember it's not a blanket statement that all blacks will behave this way when given the opportunity. There are millions of black people who's genes will prevent them from doing these things, but just the same, there are many black bloodlines that will. Unfortunately they are the ones who are multiplying at a reckless pace and I don't see it in my power to do anything about it.

      THH - 2010-12-23 13:16

      @Ghostworrier Shame bud you need to get laid and actually by a consenting adult not forcing yourself onto drunk vulnerable girl like usual

      Tarryn - 2010-12-23 13:29

      He is a sick pig if you ask me....

      Bratt - 2010-12-23 13:32

      @Ghostworrier - Here's to hoping this doesn't happen to anyone you know.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 13:41

      @Kenko, saying "it is in their genes" is the very definition of a blanket statement and it implies that black men are more predisposed to rape because of some uncontrollable genetic urge. I pose that white men growing up in such squalor for repeated generations are just as predisposed to commit violence and sexual crimes. There are no statistics to back this up though because there aren't really areas where whites have been subjugated to such an extent for such a prolonged period that I am aware of. My argument is that they are a product of their environment, not their genetics, and we as a society have the power to influence that environment in a positive way if we so wished. It just takes effort that we are unwilling to give because people often think: "Their struggle is not my problem. They get what they deserve because they vote ANC". The us vs them mentality is not helpful. We are all in this together. Give your domestic a lift home if you can, that extra hour that she isn't waiting for a bus or taxi could make a world of difference to her kids. Join Habitat for Humanity and sacrifice ONE weekend of binge drinking and rugby watching to build some deserving family a house. We can all do small things that cost very little, but we are lazy, selfish and also wait for someone else (government?) to do things. Us paying taxes somehow absolves us from wanting to do more.

      mashishiv - 2010-12-23 14:58

      @kenko. If rape is a black man's culture, is raping young boys and dismantling them, raping your own daughter and impregnating her with four children for thirty years,racism and being a redneck, a white man's culture?

      ELOQUENCE - 2010-12-24 02:54

      mash,thank you so much for pointing that out!

  • Werner - 2010-12-23 11:05

    Must everything turn into a racial argument????????????????? White, Black, Coloured... does not matter, because what is truly worrying is that rape is becoming more acceptable in the eyes of the predators. It seems like they belief they can get away with it. You switch to any form of news and you see rape. Something needs to be done!!! The system needs to stand up and make it clear that the sentence for such an offence is life!!!

      Tarryn - 2010-12-23 11:12

      Well said....i think the death penalty sounds like a better option!

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 11:44

      I am very sceptical about making rape a capital offence. Don't get me wrong, I think it the a heinous act and deserves a severe punishment, but rape trials typically have very little evidence. A punishment that severe based on so little is a very slippery slope. I concede that in some cases it might be justifiable, but one of the few crimes worse that rape is executing a man wrongly accused of rape.

      141mat - 2010-12-23 11:50

      @Werner. I hate having to pay for those people to live a "better life" in jail where we have to work our BACKSIDES off just to scrape through and then those lowlifes come and screw everything up. I say bring the death penalty back. And do not tell me about the rights of the prisoners what about the rights they stole from another human more deserving of rights. AHHHHH it makes me crazy.

      141mat - 2010-12-23 11:53

      Not attacking anyone, just get really mad abotu things like this. Breath in, breath out, whoosa. :)

      Tarryn - 2010-12-23 12:09

      That is why there should be sufficient evidence to accuse a man, don't get me wrong, i do understand your point, but if a man is wrongly accused, why would there be the evidence to convict him of that crime? If the death penalty was out, there would always be more than sufficient evidence to convict him. Skin underneath the nails, semen found, etc...that is always able to track the right man down. I do understand that the minority of women, how could i say this, might accuse the wrong man as 'revenge' or whatever you would like to call it. But if the man is truly innocent, he will be found innocent. When a women is raped she has to live with it for the rest of her life, it haunts her. The man gets out as little as 5 years later and is able to carry on with his life...where do you draw the line? I personally, God forbid this ever happened to me, would like the predator to never be able to live his life ever again, so that no other women will ever have to go through it.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 12:09

      @141mat, In a sense I agree with you. It is a very sad situation when conditions in prison are better than outside prison for so many people. Government has a lot to answer for, but the opposition needs to do more legwork and make themselves visible in the black communities if they want more votes. They have to give the masses an alternative they can believe in.

      Drew - 2010-12-23 12:11

      Colourblind, its very rare to read comments from someone that are level headed and intelligent, without resulting in racial slurs and insults. So thank you With regards to brinning back the death penalty. I really feel we should be focusing on preventing these types of crimes from happening in the first place, not on the actions we take once the crimes have been commited. That goes for all major crime in the country.

      Tarryn - 2010-12-23 12:28

      Drew, I do also see your point there, with the death penalty, what has the govenment been doing to prevent these crimes? What they have done, clearly has not worked, death penalty is harsh, i know, but I think a lot of people will think twice before commiting those crimes if the death penalty is brought back. How much longer will these crimes carry on? until all of us are rape victims? until all of us have been victims of robbery, murder??

      pointblankza - 2010-12-23 12:39

      You need to be 100% certain that rape took place. There have been cases whereby a scorned woman has laid false rape accusations against men. To hang someone for rape, oh boy, what if evidence to the contrary come to light after he has long swung? It happens all the time all over the world, men sit in prison for years before finally proving their innocence. Capital punishment for rape is a very slipperty slope..

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 12:44

      @Drew, thank you and I agree 100%. Prevention is always better than cure. For the longest time I my stance was very anti-death penalty, but I have begun to change my mind on this matter, especially when it comes to exceptionally violent criminals and serial offenders. These "people" are beyond rehabilitation and pose to great a threat to society and even prison populations to be allowed to continue their activities in my mind. @Tarryn In the long run I wouldn't have a problem with rape being a capital offence if sufficient evidence was available, but even then I would be sceptical. How difficult is it for an insane woman with a grudge so scratch a lover and keep semen and then accuse him of rape? Slam dunk right there? It is a tricky one to get 100% right and if our justice system does actually one day get fixed to the point where we can trial rape cases properly, by that time we might have prisons and sentencing corrected too and can deal with it in a different way. At the moment I think we should focus on lobbying for the death penalty for violent serial offenders and getting them removed from society first. Once that is done we can move onto the rest.

      Tarryn - 2010-12-23 13:04

      Colourblind...i do agree with that, hence my comment on 'revenge' or like you said 'grudge'. We do all have different opinions, but the fact of the matter all boils down to taking action...something needs to be done, but like I said what has the government been doing? as it is clearly not working, hence once again my comment on rather stand united and act like a country, and not pull the race card and act like enemies....

      MallyVonD@24.com - 2010-12-24 19:51

      Werner its what i just said... and i will say it again... ALL WE EVER HEAR OUR LEADERS DO IS TALK SHIT... TALK TALK TALK. IF THEY HAVE A BACKBONE THEY WOULD BE D O I N G SOMETHING ABOUT THIS scourge. black,white , pink,brown,yellow, DA , ANC , IFP ,its all the same..

  • Ghostworrier - 2010-12-23 11:44

    No such thing as rape "let me explain" A woman can run faster with her skirt up than a man with his pants down, Ha Ha

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 12:10

      Wow. Rape jokes on a story of a girl that has been brutalised. Classy. Your mother must be so proud.

      Tarryn - 2010-12-23 12:20

      And judging by that comment i suppose you are one of those guys that run with their pants down the whole time??

      pointblankza - 2010-12-23 12:40

      Classy..

      THH - 2010-12-23 13:18

      What a Fcuk Head

      Bratt - 2010-12-23 13:33

      he has a mother?

  • TGIL - 2010-12-23 12:20

    typical blacks

      deeply_dippy - 2010-12-23 12:40

      dude! you are a douche of note. dont say typically black. I was almost raped by a school friend [both white and no alchol or drugs involved], SA Cherub was raped by her then boyfriend - BOTH WHITE. 2 of my white friends were raped by WHITE [YES WHITE]men. so PLEASE shut your stupid stupid trap! go play on the busiest hiway you can find.

      KING SA - 2010-12-23 12:46

      Typical racist!!! Rape is a crime no matter the race!

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 13:00

      My sister was also raped by a white neighbour in a white middle class suburb. Typical male would have been more accurate, although still completely inaccurate. Grow a brain.

      THH - 2010-12-23 13:19

      I am White so for me say this to you are a typical Afrikaner ho does that get you panties in knot

      Arsenefaithful - 2010-12-23 14:03

      TGIL, you racist prick! Whites have done the damage, sit back and let integration take its course you ignorant pig.

  • BlacknWhite - 2010-12-23 12:28

    we live in a sick society! 15yr old drink liquor & young men raping young girls. what on earth is going on here?

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 13:12

      Lack of parental supervision and family structure.

      Hayi-sure - 2010-12-23 13:32

      Whats going young men raped young girl thats what went on!!!!Answered?

  • Reveal Them - 2010-12-23 12:52

    Savages. Uncivilised, animals behave better and do not even do this within their species. Loin cloths and spears.

  • RobW - 2010-12-23 12:53

    @ The Patriot She didn't deserve it, but she made herself an easy target by getting drunk, she must shoulder some of the blame. It's illegal to drink underage, very harsh lesson.

      pointblankza - 2010-12-23 13:06

      No Rob, no, no, no... There is NO excuse for rape period. And we wonder, with a mentality like yours why we have such a high rape stat... jesus man, get a grip!!

      PikeLee - 2010-12-23 13:26

      Sorry Rob. There is never any excuse to rape someone, and no girl ever asks to get raped through thought, actions or environment. Thats like saying she was asking for it because she was wearing a short skirt. That is such an archaic way of thinking!!!

      PikeLee - 2010-12-23 13:29

      Rob, that is like saying she was asking to get raped because she was wearing a short skirt. But it seems that is how you would see things as well. No girl wants, or asks to get raped. Such an archaic way of thinking!!!

      Bratt - 2010-12-23 13:40

      Actually she must shoulder none of the blame. This is exactly why people are afraid to accuse their rapists. They always end up being blamed for it. Like they were gagging for it or something. This guy probably planned the whole thing, acquired the alcohol and baited her. We all know what peer pressure is like at that age. We all know we are not the same. Yes, she could have not drunk the alcohol. She could have refused to go anywhere with her friend. She could have brought a bodyguard with. She could have, she should have... All that is clear is that this guy had his eye on her and probably would have raped her at some point with or without the alcohol.

      moiraine - 2010-12-23 17:52

      This entire debate is pointless in this case. Regardless of anything it is illegal to have sex, consensual or not, with a girl under 16, therefore it is statutory rape even if she was drunk, or even if she was begging for it.

  • PikeLee - 2010-12-23 13:14

    @ghosttwat. who knew Neanderthals could type, let alone read. Or are you on Google translate? I imagine you drawing cave painting type pictures and in mspaint, copying and pasting them into the translation box. Stop drawing rugby balls and goats. Try flowers and butterflies. There we go Neanderthal man, do you understand Neanderthal? How about caveman? copy caveman and see what picture Google translate gives you. I imagine someone with a blue bulls rugby jersey, salivating and drooling at the mouth as you clunk on the keyboard. huh, duh, clomp clomp, feeding on biltong and young children. (no offence against blue bulls supporters)

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 13:45

      Best to ignore them. Like little kids they get bored and leave when they don't get the attention they so crave.

  • Carolyn - 2010-12-23 13:18

    When No means No, don't you men understand that word.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-23 13:45

      Us men?

      pointblankza - 2010-12-23 13:56

      Yeah us men? The whole lot of us?

      Tarryn - 2010-12-23 13:58

      Don't generalise Carolyn....

      PikeLee - 2010-12-23 14:12

      I agree with you Carolyn. I am secure enough I'm my own masculinity to admit that we as men must look at ourselves, and how we treat woman. Simple.

      Drew - 2010-12-23 14:34

      There does need to be a huge shift in the attitude of the average SA male towards rape. Why was this kid not discouraged from commiting acts like this from an early age? What makes him think he has the right to do something like this to a woman? For this type of mindset to change it is up to the men in this country (and i include myself in this) to make it clear that rape is unacceptable. As it stands, I dont feel there is enough moral condemnation towards violence against women. You only need to read some of the 'hilarious' comments in this section to see that

      BigBlu - 2010-12-23 18:03

      Carolyn, Tarryn, Drew, I'm sure you would agree, woman get raped irrespective of age-, state of inebriation, or acquaintance. So none of these factors should enter into the debate – YOU DON’T RAPE – FULL STOP..! Rape is the most heinous, savage and humiliating of all crimes. One only has to listen to the account of a victim to understand how it rips a woman apart to the soul. How something so endearing, could be turned into a savage act, underscores a profoundly disturbed beast. I had to endure a deeply unsettling experience: my ex school-girlfriend, was raped by her father. I had nightmares during the saga that followed (I was drawn into it, as she told me first), so I have absolutely no idea, how she managed to keep things together all these years. Albeit not entirely, needless to mention, she was never the same again – we still talk to each other once- or twice a year, but her relationship with men is completely dysfunctional. Although the experience had bonded us as life-long friends, expectedly our relationship did not last, nor did any of hers in the future. The event had changed my life, even I felt guilt and I found it very difficult, to be with someone for the first time. It has compelled me to ask - what drives a man to rape? During the proceedings her father said something that still makes me go cold: he basically said he was overcome by a deep uncontrollable animal rage to dominate her... I think the problem may be much, much bigger than we can ever imagine.

  • PikeLee - 2010-12-23 14:03

    @Colourblind. She doest have a point.This doesn't apply for all men. Generally speaking now, when a man says no to a man, it means no. When a woman says no to a man, it means "lets start the negotiation" If you want to argue that fact, argue with the pro's: http://www.livedash.com/transcript/oprah_winfrey-(%60%60stay_alive''_expert_gavin_de_becker_unveils_the_new_tool_to_keep_you_safe)/714/KGO/Thursday_April_15_2010/192400/

      Barrydegreat - 2010-12-23 14:31

      What is the new "tool"

  • twolare - 2010-12-23 14:18

    People keep making stupid comments here but its the same lot who come back running whenever Malema opens his mouth. Next time you feel the need to complain about what Malema had for supper, please take a look at what you say here everyday and try to spot the difference!

      PikeLee - 2010-12-23 14:41

      twatlare, what are you on about? The only one to mention Malema here is you buddy. This discussion is about rape.(unless you know something about juju that we don't? ) They only difference I can spot here is that you the only idiot who didn't get that. Did you even read the article? As far as what he had for supper, I bet you buy the people magazine to see what your fave isidingo star eats for breakfast

  • Barrydegreat - 2010-12-23 14:30

    Feed Him to the pigs

  • PikeLee - 2010-12-23 14:48

    @Barrydegreat it is actually a book written for woman by a security expert. I don't think comments like that are appreciated in a topic as sensitive as rape however barry...

  • djmilano.26 - 2010-12-23 15:58

    15 and drunk just imagine,what was she doing ?

  • nuclear - 2010-12-23 16:19

    Wow! I'm so proud of some of the guys especially on the comments section. With so many males with such good heads on their shoulders we should really be trying harder to get the message to ALL males! Alcohol or clothing or venue are never reason enough for rape!

  • BigAl - 2010-12-23 16:29

    READ CAREFULLY ****Warrant Officer Kay Makhubela said she was with a friend and the friend's boyfriend and they had been drinking liquor*** It did not say the girl had been drinking, I am not saying that she did not drink - just the fact that we do not know. I don't care if she was legless drunk that does not give anyone the right to force an under age girl to have sex (RAPE) I am sick and tied of certian people (and we know who)that think girls and women are only there for there gratification and baby machines. This country is sick and sad.

      ELOQUENCE - 2010-12-23 23:24

      CERTAIN PEOPLE?PLEASE BIGAL,DO EDUCATE US?*YAWN*

      Colourblind - 2010-12-24 00:13

      I too am curious BigAl. I don't know who. Spit it out. If you are going to make wild accusations at least have the balls to state the clearly.

  • Burnt123 - 2010-12-24 10:06

    I cant belive u people how many times have you told your parents were u r an what u r doing - just becoz the girl made a poor judgement by drinking does not reflect bad parenting from her parents - stop justifying RAPE and acknowledge the fact that this boy took advantage of a your girl and he need to be panished for that.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-24 10:46

      I for one was not only blaming the parents of the girl, but more so the parents of the boy who didn't teach him to respect women.

      moiraine - 2010-12-25 09:49

      Hear Hear Burnt! It is normal for teenagers (and even younger)to want to experiment and very commonly will sneak out and do just that. I know I did, and I am pretty sure my daughter will. Our job as parents is to teach them boundaries in an effort that when they do that, they know how to protect themselves. And if they dont experiment at this age, most of them will just do it later anyway.

  • Burnt123 - 2010-12-24 10:09

    Why do you blame the parents- does your parents know everymove you make or made as a teenager.come on the girl made a poor judgement by drinking with older guyz but that does not mean she deserved what happen and that does not mean she has bad parents as well. she made a mistake an now she has paid for it. STOP making excuses for this idiot that raped her.

  • BigAl - 2010-12-24 10:41

    @Colourblind & ELOQUENCE ---- spell it out??? have the balls??? and you say you dont know???? If I put in the word that we all know, the comment would not be here as it would be deleted. Read the papers – look at the internet news. Perhaps I need to say more, but it will only get deleted. Ok lets take a chance – Who treats there women like cannon fodder – who rapes babies because they believe it will cure aids – who thinks they are entitled to sex what ever the girl or women says – who robs a house then goes on to rape the women and children just because they can – these are all facts as sick as they are. Read the report from the DA it is very interesting. Now lets talk about BALLS – When will the ANC admit they have a problem and do something about it – When will the police deal with it like they should and not count it almost as a misdemeanor (even reports of police raping women colleagues) Report from The Independent Tears stream down 11-year-old Ntombizanele's face and drip on to the coarse blue wool of her school uniform. She looks down at the dirt floor of the corrugated iron shack which she shares with her mother and four siblings, and begins to speak. "I tried to get away, and begged them to leave me alone," she said, her voice wobbling. "He dragged me to the floor and did dirty things to me. I tried to get away, but I'd started bleeding. I was so scared." Raped by two local teenagers, Ntombi suffered physical and mental wounds that were exacerbated by the treatment she received from the police and neighbours. Ostracised by friends in the large South African city of Port Elizabeth, many of whom believe that she should have kept quiet about the incident, Ntombi has since been threatened with further violence by her attackers, who were released on bail by police. **** Like a third of the 200,000 children who are raped in South Africa every year, Fuzeka, 12, was attacked by a close relative **** So having the BALLS to say – who are the RELATIVES?????? I really could go on all night with news reports and other information, but what is the use when people seem not to care in this sad and sick country.If this comment is allowed I will be amazed

      Colourblind - 2010-12-24 11:12

      "Read the papers – look at the internet news. Perhaps I need to say more, but it will only get deleted. Ok lets take a chance – Who treats there women like cannon fodder – who rapes babies because they believe it will cure aids – who thinks they are entitled to sex what ever the girl or women says – who robs a house then goes on to rape the women and children just because they can – these are all facts as sick as they are." Men of all cultures and all races all across the world. What race was Joseph Fritzl? Or the Argentinian that was arrested for pretty much the same thing. Except for the baby raping, it happens all over the world, and has for many many centuries.It is no less despicable now than it was during the crusades, the Viking raids, the second World War or any other time in human history. Don't pretend that there aren't white rapists out there too and that this is solely a black phenomenon you ignorant bigot. Leave your persecution complex at the door and look at the realities of the environment these people grow up in. That is the key to reducing it. It pains me to say I don't think we will ever be able to eradicate it completely.

      ELOQUENCE - 2010-12-24 17:57

      So i suppose that the little WHITE AFRIKANER kids,as young as three years old from pretoria who were subjected to sexual abuse and pornography by their family also have"dare i say"BLACK RELATIVES!!!*gasp*OMG

  • Hopeful - 2010-12-24 10:50

    Wow, all this doom and gloom!! I come with good news. Fifteen years ago the govt said that education was the root cause of crime in SA, but they had a strategy - improve education and crime will go away - educated civilised ppl don't do crime. We have now just had the fourth group of matrics since then. According to the crime stats released by our very able and competent police force sexual crime is down by a whopping 4.4%!!! Wonderful news, although this fellow, being 20, was of this group of educated individuals. O well, you can't win them all I suppose......

  • Chloe - 2010-12-24 11:02

    Now what on earth does a condom have to do with anything. Is she cross about the lack of condom, or the fact that it was a rape. The weirdest sentence I've ever seen in such a serious crime.

      Colourblind - 2010-12-24 11:38

      The fact that there is also now and increased risk that she has possibly contracted HIV during the sexual assault is surely an additional cause for concern that she now has to deal with. That's what on earth the lack of a condom has to do with it.

  • sipho - 2010-12-24 11:34

    You should never trust your girlfriend's boyfriends. I never do.

  • FatBoySlim - 2010-12-24 14:49

    judging by that story, she was raped by her friends boyfriend, while they were all drinking, which means her friend was there. Flippen animals!!!

  • BigAl - 2010-12-24 15:15

    Colourblind – you stupid bloody idiot you have no idea and never will. Like Joseph Fritzl there are many isolated cases around the world, but they don’t rape babies to get rid of aids. You don’t hear of 200,000 rapes per year anywhere else. Yes there are sick whites in this world but they are well out numbered by yes yes yes I will say it BLACKS They have a sick culture and a sick attitude to anything that is good. If this gets posted I will be very surprised. A President who says a shower did it for him. Sick perverted corrupt poor excuse of a man. When blacks rob a house WHY WHY bloody tell me WHY Mr so clever Colourblind WHY in most cases do they have to rape the women and children – they are sick the country with its poor leadership is sick, and your name Colourblind is just right you are Colourblind. You can come back at me as many times as you like, but the facts will never change. I like many here are sick of excuses of the past being used to justify the way they act. A rape is a rape and against the law. Highjacking is highjacking and against the law. Murder is murder and against the law. Robbery is robbery and against the law. The past is the past the law is the law. Why is the law no good?? Because with lost dockets, bad and poor case writes ups, corrupt untrained poor policing and a government who could not care a hoot as long as they line there own pockets.

      Calvin - 2010-12-24 19:09

      Bigal. The white man destroyed the ozone layer. The white man has polluted all the rivers with destructive chemicals. The white man has spilled billions of oil into the oceans.., A white man named hitler, killed 6 million Jews and caused the 2nd world war. The white man invented a nuclear Bomb which in the near future will annahilate every living thing on earth and send the earth out of orbit. Lets see how God Judges the black and white.

  • MallyVonD@24.com - 2010-12-24 19:25

    seems like warrant officer Kay Makhubela has been a busy girl in the last 12 hours. Its such a pity our cops are been stretched like this??

  • BigAl - 2010-12-25 08:50

    Of cause Calvin you are right the white man has a lot to answer for. But so long ago and one hopes he now tries to mend some of it. The point I have tried to make here is lets get over the past and get educated. Lets stop living like the animals of the past where killing and rape were not even words. But if you want to compare then and now it is easy. Hitler wanted the master race (blue eyed blonds) so after killing all the Jews he would of carried on and I don’t thing SA would have been on the lets keep list. Millions died so you and I can be free today – make no mistake it really is a fact. White man and his greed has poisoned and destroyed much of SA, but after fighting for there freedom the new people in charge of SA have changed nothing. Soon you will have sewage in your drinking water and electricity so expensive you will find only a few can afford it. The funniest thing is the reports in the media about how many motorists have been stopped (4,000,000) and many fined for different reasons, this in one month. Pity they don’t put this kind of effort into all crimes. Well Calvin we could go on bantering about all the good and evil, but hell man its Christmas lets make the best of it before SA is ZIM 2 – so lets sing Jingle Bells in stead of Kill the Boer. Happy Christmas Calvin see you in the next world.

  • moiraine - 2010-12-25 09:52

    To everyone here with your race debates: We are all just as bad as each other, cant you just accept it and move on! Instead of fighting about the past cant we discuss how we are going to change the future!

      Colourblind - 2010-12-25 12:55

      Hear hear!

  • rengerkr - 2010-12-25 11:31

    Ag sorry it is the white people,s fault please dont kill us

      Colourblind - 2010-12-25 12:55

      Knuckledragger

  • waynerx13 - 2011-02-21 14:54

    welcome to the world of democracy and when it's citizens aren't ready for freedom...we fought for freedom but what we got is a careless society, our schooling is messed up...no rules for a youth is a recipe for disaster...ANC...Youa have failed SOUTH AFRICA...

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