Gordimer: ANC taking SA beyond apartheid

2011-11-21 11:05

Cape Town - Nobel laureate Nadine Gordimer on Sunday slammed the ANC over the protection of information bill and said it was “taking South Africa beyond apartheid”.
The award-winning author was speaking in Johannesburg at an 88th birthday celebration, the Times reported.

Gordimer said the bill goes "totally against all ideas of freedom".

"People have fought and died to gain the opportunity for a better life, which is ruined and dirtied by corruption.

"The corrupt practices and nepotism that they [politicians] allow themselves is exposed if we have freedom of expression.

"When we all voted together, which was a great moment in my life, [we thought] everything would be alright. That was a childish idea."

The bill is expected to be voted on in the national assembly on Tuesday.

The National Press Club has also launched a new protest against the controversial bill, calling on the public to wear black for Black Tuesday.

  • Sammy - 2011-11-21 11:09

    HAHAHAHAHA Take that ANC freaks!

      Bardy - 2011-11-21 11:29

      I think it's high time we see a different party in control. Be it DA or any other party than ANC!

      Delusion - 2011-11-21 11:30

      "Power tends to corrupt, and absolute power corrupts absolutely" Lord Acton 1835-1902. A typical NAT regime has ermerged again, only more corrupt this time. The more things change, the more they stay the same... Normally the ANC wheels grind painfully slowly over important issues. This Bill (and nice jets for the elite) have been given such priority, energy and attention by the comrades cadres. Why?

      Hans - 2011-11-21 12:04

      This is simply what all readers here were saying for past few years now. Gordimer has been a very big supporter of teh ANC and it's original causes, but now even she realises that these guys are a depressing joke.

      rowen.loretz - 2011-11-21 12:09

      affirmative action....talks of mine and farm grabs, politicians enriching themselves through fraud and corruption and illegal tenders, mismanagement of tax payers money , poorly run municipalities with fatcat mayors and municipal managers, blue light bandits that can do what they want, killing other roadusers, communities that don't have access to basic services such as sanitation and healtcare, lack of teachers and nurses across the country that get paid peanuts for their hard work. Infrastructure that is crumbling especially in the eastern cape and kwa-zulu natal..., high costs of living and chasing investors away, union strikes that cripple businesses ...this is some of the achievements of the ANC government. It is time to put an end to this. ANC must go before we have uprisings , which i think will happen very soon. We need a competent government that can serve the citizens of south africa , not itself.

      Jeff - 2011-11-21 12:37

      Gordimer, you supported the anc pre 94 now go and have a rough one.

      Pooksie Poodles - 2014-07-14 18:51

      The old ANC under Mandela and Mbeki, had a lot of problems. There was incompetence and corruption for sure. But they could be forgiven for that in a sense, because under their leadership South Africa was improving. People of all races were being integrated. The economy was flourishing. Poor folks were getting electricity, housing, running water, many of them for the first time ever. Foreign investors were pouring money into South Africa. Tourists were coming. The new Zuma ANC is a shambles. South Africa is stagnating and I don't see it improving. Gordimer supported the old ANC as did many coloureds, Indians, and whites, and even some Afrikaans people. Hardly any non-blacks support the ANC today apart from poor, barely educated coloured tribal groups in the Northern Cape, like the Griqua and Nama.

  • Bigrp - 2011-11-21 11:12

    Ironic how some big anti-apartheid voices are now all coming out against the ANC and the way they govern...

      Kala - 2011-11-21 11:35

      @Bigrp - It's not really all that surprising. The current regime is heading for an apartheid all of it's own.

      BA - 2011-11-21 11:51

      Gordimer it's only you liberal fools that now think it was a childish idea. Question is: what are you going to do now? Become super racists?

      Ryan - 2011-11-21 12:14

      BA, youre an idiot because you obviously dont know who Nadine Gordimer is. heres a summary for you ...Nadine Gordimer won the Nobel Prize in 1991 for "her great work in benefitting HUMANITY" (the words of Alfred Nobel). Her writing has long dealt with moral and racial issues, particularly apartheid in South Africa. She was active in the anti-apartheid movement, joining the African National Congress during the days when the organization was banned.

      Ryan - 2011-11-21 12:15

      so when people of this calibre critisize and chastize the ANC, even its blind supporters should take notice

      Sharmay - 2011-11-21 12:16

      @BA no, childish to think that the ANC could play fair and do things by the book. Childish to think that the country could be free and the wrongs could be fixed to make a better life for all South Africans in the hands of the ANC. Nothing about colour, only about ideals. Chop.

      Marion - 2011-11-21 13:25

      Let's not forget the other Nobel Laureates who are voicing their concerns about the ANC's actions these days. Just a pity one of them is deceased and another is probably just way too ill to voice his concerns. But I am sure he has plenty of concerns about how his dream for a united South Africa is crumbling. And the walls came tumbling down.

      appietrader - 2011-11-21 14:55

      Gordimer is what "a useful idiot" is to quote the Russian dictator, Stalin You are even a Nobel prize laureate, which makes it even worse, YOU should have known better!!!

      Heinrich - 2011-11-21 17:46

      Shows consistency.

      Nkulekweni - 2012-02-02 16:46

      BA you an idiot full stop.

  • PB - 2011-11-21 11:13

    anc, if you might fool your uneducated masses, but the rest of the world can't be convinced by your corrupt b.s. spindoctors. This is EXACTLY the same as the info bill of the apartheid regime that you had such a lot to say about.

      msendi - 2011-11-21 11:38

      Do you mean that all those doctors and professors who voted ANC are uneducated?

      Bob - 2011-11-21 11:56

      msendi, I don't believe doctors and professors voted this corrupt government into power, any that did will surely not be voting for them the next election, what we need is strong opposition to this corrupt ANC, the way it stands that has to be the DA, if they also turn out to be corrupt then we must vote another party in, it really is that simple, we need an opposition party.

      Ryan - 2011-11-21 11:57

      @ Msendi .. Influential people and rights organizations around the world have heavily critisized this bill. No-one besides the ANC and corrupt individuals think its a good idea

      Ryan - 2011-11-21 12:01

      @ Msendi ... it does amaze me that some doctors, professors and other educated people no doubtedly vote ANC. but the massive majority of ANC voters are no doubtedly uneducated and are not aware of how rotten the ANC really are nowadays. I bet most ANC voters either vote along racial/struggle lines or foolishly believe they will get more handouts from an ANC government

      PB - 2011-11-21 12:12

      msendi, what I meant is that no one who thinks for themselves and face facts, can be convinced that this bill is good for anyone but the corrupt members of the ruling party who wants their dirt swept under the carpet. But then again, there are very 'educated' people who got their degrees within a couple of days of "studying" from funny universities on the internet are very loyal anc supporters....

      rickvcooper - 2011-11-21 12:22

      All the doctors and professors you speak of, msendi, must have bought their qualifications if they are stupid enough to vote ANC.

      msendi - 2011-11-21 12:23

      @Bob… When DA is in power, if it will ever happen, the opposition party of that era will call it a corrupt government, like you do. The reason why ANC will win the next elections is because people of this country are loyal to their political organizations than the country itself. We no longer need a strong opposition party, we need a party that will compete with the ANC with an intention to take this country forward…

      Ryan - 2011-11-21 12:42

      jeez Msendi, I can't quite decide if you are pro or anti ANC. your thoughts seem to be a bit all over the place. anyway, I hope the latter. :)

      msendi - 2011-11-21 12:54

      Ryan… Being pro or anti-ANC is not important. The most important thing for me is living in a country where there is a balance, politically. I don't want to go to the elections knowing the winner, others are only there to stop the winner from getting two third majority. For me that is not democracy and it promotes corruption because there is no competition…

      Bob - 2011-11-21 13:24

      msendi, I think you are just partly repeating what I said, you got me really confused and yourself probably, what do you mean "We no longer need a strong opposition party" "We need a party that will compete with the ANC" I think that is the most confusing statement I have ever read.

      msendi - 2011-11-21 14:19

      @Bob… What I mean is that we don't need a DA, COPE etc. that label itself as an opposition even before the elections. We need them to be brave enough and compete with the ruling party. At the moment ANC is without competition, they are comfortable. Others are only fighting for the position of opposition…

      Nitesh - 2011-11-21 17:34

      yes msendi, they bought their qualifications just like everyone is doin wake up....

      Nitesh - 2011-11-21 17:36

      @ msende, u can buy anything since the anc took over in SA

      msendi - 2011-11-21 18:27

      Uyabheda wena Ntenesha…

  • Itumeleng - 2011-11-21 11:18

    and how they play victim when the tables have turned. How can one say that the ANC is taking us beyond apartheid when you never really suffered the injustices of that era. Forget about apartheid, we should be argueing freedom of speech and proper code of conduct for journalist. Im all for media freedom but journalist must base facts and truth over fiction.

      Kala - 2011-11-21 11:38

      Controlling the media is pretty much what a government would do as the first step to apartheid.

      Ryan - 2011-11-21 12:09

      Itumeleng, heres a few facts for you in case you think Nadine Gordimer is some racist white woman. Nadine Gordimer won the Nobel Prize in 1991 for her "great work in benefitting humanity". Her writing has long dealt with moral and racial issues, particularly apartheid in South Africa. She was active in the anti-apartheid movement, joining the African National Congress during the days when the organization was banned. so when people like this chastise and critisize the ANC, even their blind supporters should pay attention to what this person is saying

      rowen.loretz - 2011-11-21 12:19

      @ Angry ANC youth...u know why you are angry. well let me tell you. Your ANC comrades in government is milking the system, doing just what they want...buying breitling watches and BMW X5's, going on "overseas holidays" which they call business trips, these are your brothers and sisters, your cANCer, ...I understand if you are angry , but get your facts straight...stop being deceived , open your eyes. The ANC don't give a 5 cent coin about are nothing to them except another vote, and quiet frankly they dont even care about your vote cause they got the vote of the other deceived masses. The DA wants to build a better future for ALL south african citizens, together ...we need to put our past and our differences behind us...we can forgive and move on. I don't mean forget about you history, but to understand that you cannot change the past by changing the future...what has been done , has been done. look for a bright future...think about that!

      rowen.loretz - 2011-11-21 21:58

      This was for Itumeleng not angry youth...apologies to angry youth.

  • mnbain - 2011-11-21 11:21

    I want examples of things that became public that they wish we had never seen.

      sibusiso.mpofu1 - 2011-11-21 13:19

      When Mbeki clapped Winnie! Developments and construction work in Nkandla homestead! Bra Mac!

      rowen.loretz - 2011-11-21 22:00

      My apologies angry youth, my comment was directed at itumeleng and i must have caught your name accidentally. so sorry...

  • Angry_Youth - 2011-11-21 11:21

    I'm thinking, that before the bill goes through, the media should publish all the dirt they have on every one, so that the public knows, while we still can, without fear of "retribution".

      Mike_or_Mpho - 2011-11-21 11:30

      Even better, we needs a wikileaks-type of website set up to expose these fools each and every day. ANC will try to suppress its people, but it forgets that we will rise against these bafoons, one way or the other. In many ways, the cANCer is shooting itself in the foot. maybe, in the long term, it's the best thing that happened to SA politics since 1994; full frontal exposure to the world what the ANC really stands for so to speak

      Herman - 2011-11-21 11:31

      Gr8 idea, flood these thieving comrades and make everyone aware of what they did, do or is planning on doing......

      Angry_Youth - 2011-11-21 11:39

      But how do we do it? There are a lot of scared people out there. Website like Wiki-leaks is an excellent idea!

      Sheik - 2011-11-21 11:55

      The best way to hit back at this law would be to pass on all the dirt to the International press, and let the world know just how corrupt the ANC is. That news will get to us with more impact, and the ANC will spend all their time tring to white-wash the lies. Image Obama sitting next to Jacob, saying " JZ, I read in the Washington Post this morning that you and your boys ripped off the South African public big time with this arms deal of yours".

      Angry_Youth - 2011-11-21 12:37

      Angry_Youth - 2011-11-21 12:38

      It is so truly ironic. . .

      Kala - 2011-11-21 16:40

      @Sheik - Fantastic idea. The bill would surely not cover international press.

  • Shirley - 2011-11-21 11:24

    Its amazing how few apartheid activists have retained their consience and sense of purpose!

      Sheik - 2011-11-21 11:56

      She didn't get a cut.

  • Herman - 2011-11-21 11:25

    Yip, all wanted this criminal anc regime to take over from the bad np regime......and now what, all of SA is going to suffer because the anc couldn't even run their own tea club without robbing it blind, what did everybody expect when they gave them this rich country.......they are even worse than the np and they do what they please.....

  • Lyndatjie - 2011-11-21 11:29

    The ANC will NEVER be able to shut everybody up... not with blogging, tweeting, facebooking, Mixit, Blackberrying, etc etc etc... all they are goign to do now is force everybody to go underground and post ANYTHING they want with ZERO accountability which will discredit those that want to carry on with their thievery and corruption in private all the MORE! I'm wearing black for sure!

      andreviljoenjoubert - 2011-11-21 13:26

      Right now, the US Congress is debating a law that would give them the power to censor the world's Internet -- creating a blacklist that could target YouTube, WikiLeaks and even groups like Avaaz!

      Stephen - 2011-11-21 14:40

      This is my hope too Lyndatjie, it is impossible to keep secrets now, with IT, they’re going to show themselves up for the thieving greedy bast@#ds that they are.

  • michielbester - 2011-11-21 11:31

    The ANC will push through the bill even with major public disapproval.

      Gerhard - 2011-11-21 11:52

      The ANC has become a law unto itself. We all should be extremely worried!

      mbossenger - 2011-11-21 14:59

      Then it should be challenged in the Constitutional Court

  • Maverick82 - 2011-11-21 11:46

    Eish!....met ys ja :)

  • lbnaude - 2011-11-21 11:49

    The ANC took the cloak of "struggle for freedom" to hide it's dagger:Totaliarism!

  • Ralph - 2011-11-21 11:49

    At the moment...Im for any party other than the ANC! Any party other than the ANC will do a better job running this country!

  • Ryan - 2011-11-21 11:53

    I'm wearing black tomorrow

  • chiepner - 2011-11-21 11:55

    I think we tend to forget - the ANC was never like this. Yes they always had their internal struggles and maybe not always 100% correct on specific matters, but the ANC was once a beacon of hope and light for the rest of Africa. Alot of people are starting to show alot of anger for the party now, but we must remember that due to some idiotic choices the ANC has allowed itself to be infested and taken over by parisitic politicians and administrators who sees nothing wrong with being corrupt and power drunk. These people have grown and hijacked the once great ANC to line their own pockets. One thing is for certain - time waits for no man and the people of SA will not cling onto a "name" just because it use to be salvation. At the end of the day I am afraid that if the ANC allows itself to keep in incubating these greedy corrupt officials it will become nothing more than a name. What we see today is not the ANC. It is not the party that has been found on free principals on some day in some little place called Morogoro. It had humble beginnings and grew into a beacon of freedom for all, but now it is nothing more than a vessel for pirates who is hell bend on getting rich quick even if it means the suffering and destruction of all South Africans

      Gerhard - 2011-11-21 11:58

      The ANC with this bill effectively is introducing censorship. A new darkness falls over South Africa.

      Ryan - 2011-11-21 13:30

      and now the ANC arent that beacon of hope anymore, so no-one should vote for them anymore. I hope you dont

      Stephen - 2011-11-21 14:46

      I think there are people who will vote for the ANC till the day they die, they aint got the brains or the balls, to change their vote.

  • Melinda - 2011-11-21 11:56

    its a good case of SLIM VANG SY BAAS

  • Lonne - 2011-11-21 12:17

    When people like Nadine Gordimer, Desmond Tutu, Henry Jefferies etc start speaking out you know SA is in trouble. I was one of the people who thought in 1994 that the ANC will govern from the moral highground. How little did I know what was to come. The ANC has totally lost its moral compass and has moved away from the ideals of the Freedom Charter. In 1985 we had the Save the Press campaign. Never did I think we would need that campaign again.

      Kosie - 2011-11-21 14:13

      so eugene tereblanche wasn't wrong, his actions and methods was wrong but his vision was correct

  • Spiral - 2011-11-21 12:23

    ANC seems to be getting it from all angles lately... I LOVE IT

  • Ross - 2011-11-21 12:44

    Thomas Jefferson said : " When the people fear their government, there is tyranny; when the government fears the people, there is liberty." Need one say more ?

  • abrhamtwaksak - 2011-11-21 13:13

    hak, hak - die anc is k*k

  • Kevin - 2011-11-21 13:14

    How correct was Mrs Thatcher...she said the ANC could never govern this country efficiently!!!!

  • Elle-Black - 2011-11-21 13:37

    The ANC has gone way past it's sell-by date,I think it's time all level headed ANC supportes come to terms with that.We shouldnt remove the ANC from power we should kick them to the curb

  • mnbain - 2011-11-21 13:58

    African Nazi Party learned well from their predacessor's the Nazi Party

  • Stephen - 2011-11-21 14:36

    I'll be wearing black tomorrow

  • Brainbow - 2011-11-21 14:46

    Nobel laureate, for a reason. Beyond apartheid? People, it's time to wake up!

  • Diep - 2011-11-21 15:43

    I remember a bald headed ex-president (or was it prime minister) of South Africa who pointed and waved his finger in the air with the warning: corruption, chaos, crime and anarchy will come! If we look at SA today, was he wrong???

      phathuchicos - 2011-11-21 19:27

      no he wasn't bcoz they were also practising it as a form of cruelty to other inferior races...

      Smell - 2011-11-21 21:52

      Yes he was wrong. If he and his predecessors had real brains, they would have split away the Republic of the Cape of Good Hope from the rest of RSA in 1948. And that horrible fiasco called Apartheid would have been avoided entirely. The ANC would have had the rest of RSA to nationalize and expropriate without compensation. And the Republic of the Cape of Good Hope would have looked a lot more like Australia, New Zealand or Canada today.

  • phathuchicos - 2011-11-21 18:29

    i hate the way the ANC is running the country and the white attitude towards this situation...

  • Angry_Youth - 2011-11-21 22:23

    @ EKbliksemvirjou It's all good! No issue, I think we are all just a little frustrated at the situation. :) :)

  • KarateMarty - 2011-11-21 22:50

    Amazing when some dirt appears, the information bill hits the headlines

  • KarateMarty - 2011-11-21 22:50

    Must be very true then

  • Nkulekweni - 2012-02-02 16:57

    Is it not time that all the heavy weights...the artists, people of the cloth, academics ect who, like most non racist South Africans, believed 16 years ago that the ANC would lead the country to a fair and just society, come out and make clear their utmost dissapointment as a take a full page advert in the Sunday Times. Often said about the holocaust in which Jewish, black, homosexual, gipsies and other minorities were killed...that people are guilty for keeping silent when those horrors were committed. People's human rights are being abused daily and those with influence are silent....who amongst those with clout has stood up and condemmed the death of children from starvation in this country?

  • Jacques - 2012-05-03 15:09

    It's good that we have such big names becoming more vocal about the ANC's shortfalls and devious plans. If a Nobel laurette in literature starts speaking up, then you know it's time to take heed!

  • Blixum - 2012-05-03 23:44

    Hahahahahaha! You got what you voted for. So stop whinging you bunch of losers. One man, one vote, one bantustan. LOL

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