Govt gets tough on rapists, abusers

2011-06-07 14:47

Cape Town - The Department of Women, Children and People with Disabilities has appealed to courts across the country to deny bail for suspects charged with the rape and murder of women and children, Minister Lulu Xingwana said on Tuesday.

"Rapists and perpetrators of violence against women and children have no place in our society. Hence we are calling upon our courts to deny bail for suspects charged with rape and murder of women and children," Xingwana said during debate on her budget vote speech in the National Assembly.

She said women and children continued to be "ravaged" by the scourge of violence, including rape and murder.

Extra measures

"Every day, we receive reports of horrendous attacks on children and women, including the rape and murder of lesbian women in the so-called corrective rape."

Xingwana said gender based violence had a severe and long-lasting impact on victims, including serious mental health problems and the risk of subsequent victimisation; gynaecological complications, unwanted pregnancies, HIV infection; serious physical injuries or disability and death.

She said the numbers and severity of cases required the government to take extra measures to reverse the tide of violence against women and children.

An Advisory Council on Violence against Women and Children would be established to deal with some of these issues.

The South African Police Service had also strengthened its capacity to deal with these cases.

Empowering victims

Family violence, child protection and sexual offences units had been established in all 176 policing areas.

Forensic social workers had been hired to assist child victims and to submit evidence necessary to support conviction.

At least 28 Thuthuzela Care Centres had been established in areas with high incidents of violence against women and children.

Xingwana said the department would also promote the Domestic Violence Act to empower victims of violence and communities to use it to prevent cases of abuse.

"We will be mobilising women to ensure that they do not withdraw cases of abuse but allow the law to take its course."

  • Chris - 2011-06-07 14:50


      ikabot - 2011-06-07 15:17

      Chris. I heard that a rape and murder was committed in your neighbourhood and they never solved the case. Can you account for your whereabouts on the date in question? No? You can't? Okay, you're getting charged with the crime. What? You want your phone call? You watch too many movies. *chuckle*

      Chris - 2011-06-07 15:32

      how many times have you heard " the suspects was out on bail " \ " previously charged with rape \ murder" and again they get the opportunity to do it again. I’m just glad that someone in gov is standing up and speaking about this sick crime – it’s a SA thing to rape. It should be clear – if you rape it’s the end of your normal natural life here on earth – you will be thrown in jail and never ever see daylight again. Finish and klaar.

  • Smaal - 2011-06-07 14:54


      jowza - 2011-06-07 15:02

      read it again if you cant understand it

      Smaal - 2011-06-07 15:42

      60 Child rape cases (2010) a day and according to studies only about 11% of rape cases are reported. That is about 530 child rapes a day.... A DAY Jowza! According to Interpol (2008) a woman is raped every 17 seconds. South Africa is not only the rape capital of the world but one of the most violent and it’s not as if the powers that be don’t know this yet they persist in treating the symptoms and not the causes. Now an “An Advisory Council on Violence against Women and Children” after the fact? The ANC disbanded specialized units dealing with cases like these and now? Add to this a few stories we have read here at news24... I think that even a half brain buffoon can see a trend here. You are correct Jowza, I don’t understand. Talk talk talk, then create a committee to talk some more then talk about what was talked about and this all while woman and children are bleeding at the side of the road. Excuse me for getting upset!

      jowza - 2011-06-07 15:53

      reading all your posts,seems like lots of things upset you.

      Smaal - 2011-06-07 16:01

      Yes Jowza. A lot of things upset me but what upsets me more is that we seem to be doing nothing about it and it seems that if one gets up and does something about it then you are the one in the wrong.

      jowza - 2011-06-07 16:07

      well smaal.i help out at the local police station in my spare time

      Smaal - 2011-06-07 16:16

      @Jowza: So then you know what blood smells, feels and taste like.... and this you understand? Oh well, good for you helping out at the police station.

      Gedoente - 2011-06-07 16:53

      I know about many women being raped at the local police station. Maybe we should start there minster

  • sjackson - 2011-06-07 14:57

    What happens if the woman crys rape or abuse even if it's not true just to be spitefull towards her husband or partner? Also if a male gets murdered, is the suspect allowed to get bail? murder is murder whether it be a male, female or a child.

      Baas-Julius - 2011-06-07 15:01

      I was thinking exactly the same thing, this article is either written very poorly or its ok to rape and murder men. Murder is murder, doesn't matter who commits the crime, so stop bail on all murder and rape charges irrelevant of who commits it.

      ikabot - 2011-06-07 15:08

      True, sjackson. Even if a person is charged with killing someone, chopping them up and eating their liver, incarcerating someone who hasn't been found guilty of anything is wrong.

      wacky fairy - 2011-06-07 15:11

      Duh! forensic evidence will prove her wrong dufus.

      Thobile - 2011-06-07 15:55

      She is addressing what is currently an uncontollable and massive issue in our country and the fact is women and children are vulnerable in SA. Not to say that men arent but if you look at the statistics you would understand that this is a plague we are dealing with. Its not the time to say what about me as im almost all the cases men are the perpetrators against Women and children

  • apie - 2011-06-07 14:58

    When are they going to do something about white murders?

      jowza - 2011-06-07 15:02

      people of all races effected are nothing special

      Ten Ras - 2011-06-07 15:04

      that's the last thing on the list...U moron what about black murders? Death gat no race

      Dnt8 - 2011-06-07 15:14

      ag shame man!!! it sad when the loss of human lives gets placed in racial categories of importance....

      mamakalami - 2011-06-07 15:21

      Apie - This is about women and children of all races.

      schmerz - 2011-06-07 15:52

      yeah let's protect woman and children while we 'shoot the boer'?

      jowza - 2011-06-07 16:07

      schermz.are you also into it?

      schmerz - 2011-06-07 16:23

      @jowza, A different way of saying the same thing but you might be able to consciously process this one: As if being racist is not enough. Now they have to be sexist too? - Trust me I am 100% for protecting women and children, but you can't say 'death to rape' while singing 'shoot the boer' It's like saying save the whales but eat the dolphins?

  • saabnut - 2011-06-07 14:58

    Good one -The "minumum sentences" announced some years back are almost never applied. I'll only believe it when I see it. So far, the only penalties we seem to see imposed on sexual deviants is promotions to/ within Parliament!

  • Janine - 2011-06-07 14:59

    ABOUT TIME! Yes - I am shouting. This should have happened years ago - let's just hope that the courts take notice of it.

      Maverick - 2011-06-07 15:24

      @Ikabot: Falsely? Oh, so a girl with a short dress is "asking for it" and should get what she asks for, no? He is as guilty as sin, and he knew it. So do 90% of the literate South Africans. Wake up, buddy, you're coffee is cold...

      mamakalami - 2011-06-07 15:34

      The legal system has taken too many chances at a very high price to women and children. Unfortunately a lot of unscrupulous people will try to use the legal system for their own agendas. I agree to no bail for rapists and violent criminals.

      CorbZA - 2011-06-07 16:13

      @Maverick Chill dude, he never said anything about a short skirt. The courts ruled that it was consensual, but that he had abused his relationship with her. And the courts know a lot more of the details then we do, as we only hear what the media tell us. If it was a dodgy decision, it would've been appealed. People must be careful of talking themselves into thinking someone is guilty because they want them to be guilty.

  • tkotze - 2011-06-07 15:01

    And if the tea lady is unhappy with me and claim rape without any foundation, should I spend 1 year sitting in jail leaving my boy to grow up without me, leave my wife without my support, leave my family without my income, expose myself to life long emotional and physical damage all because I upset the tea lady by not giving her a good enough raise while the other tea ladies did get one because they did a decent job and had good work ethics? I don't have time for women and child abusers but things like bail is there for a reason, to protect the innocent. It was an irresponsible call by the minister. Repeating offenders of acts against children and women I would support. But one thing the country still has to some degree is the protection of the innocent, something I want to keep. Sitting in the cells with the same guys committing farm murders is not something I would want to do if I am innocent

      jowza - 2011-06-07 15:39

      i would not blame them if they suspected people like youtkotze

      schmerz - 2011-06-07 16:13

      @wacky fairy, let's pretend for 2 seconds that you are a straight male. Let's say you were wrongfully accused of rape(which means you did not do it). Let's say you are denied bail. Now you have to spend time in a cell without having done anything wrong. You are in the company of low-life thugs and criminals. 3 huge guys approach you and tell you to bend over after breaking your nose. Now, you get sodomized. (calling to the guards won't help) So, in your mind it's OK to get raped in prison because you are innocent? And this is not unrealistic, this happened to a friend of mine for spending a night in jail because of drunk driving...

  • Paulo - 2011-06-07 15:03

    shoooo what a break through its almost revolutionary!

  • Mad man - 2011-06-07 15:04

    At last our sisters who are domestic workers on farms and white residential areas will finally be protected from these rapists who employed them. Thank you every much my government

      Maverick - 2011-06-07 15:26

      You want to stick your *** in a domestic? Ever heard of aids?

      anna - 2011-06-07 15:26

      you do speak like a mad man ...

      jowza - 2011-06-07 15:36

      Maverick.lots of your forefathers were into it

      jowza - 2011-06-07 15:37

      anna.keepa check on your father and hubby

      Orcanda - 2011-06-07 15:47

      Mad man where is your so called evidence to it? Come on we are waiting for the statistics. I think the statistics will show more rapes commited by blacks against white woman then anything else. What a clutch plate you are . But what can you expect from an empty tin, they usually made the most noise. I would say finally our farmers will be protected against black rapists who rape and murder innocent babies of 2 years.

      wacky fairy - 2011-06-07 15:50

      @ Mad man... yea right white farmers raping black maids your freaken sick dreams man! Your not just mad you are dellusional!

      jowza - 2011-06-07 15:56

      depends on who compiles statitics.raping of minors are perpetrated by sickos of all races

      Felix - 2011-06-07 15:58

      Great trolling there mad dog, you're even putting jowza out of the race for stupidest post.

      jowza - 2011-06-07 16:08

      you obviously think a lot about yourself,felix

      FRpower - 2011-06-07 16:36

      Mad man what planet are you from...i know planet Dumbass. Your comment is pathetic,ile send my domestic worker back to you as long as you feed her,look after her children,and pay her a salary.You prick.

      Ou Van - 2011-06-07 16:43

      What the hell is wrong with you two?? (mad d00s and jowza) Did the syphilis finally drive you two stark raving mad???? Please go troll somewhere else you two degenerate pieces of excriment. F&(ck me, you're dumb. Please, please, I beg you, stick to being as stupid as you two are. Sooner or later you'll take yourself out and humanity (not even sure you two qualify) will be better off.

  • jon-pierre - 2011-06-07 15:05

    finally a story worth a comment or two. Violence against women and children is wrong however you can not deny a person bail purely because a woman say it was rape, how many women go out get drunk, have unprotected sex then cry rape, i say grant them bail, but slap a tracking device on their ankle , if found guilty lock em up and throw away the proverbial key or let their community punish them, a bit of community justice seems to sort out most problems, hang em , shoot em - who care - just find a permanent solution to removing them from our streets, because someone like that cant be rehabilitated and does not deserve a second chance. women and children should be protected - men should fight these battles, you know a guy who is rapist, abuses his wife and kids, as a man its your job to put a stop to it.

  • qj - 2011-06-07 15:11

    hang the convicted by their penis for 24 hours & if they live put them in jail. If the die feed them into the Eskom furnace so they can contribute something useful to society!!!! POWER for all.

  • Gore - 2011-06-07 15:21

    Another thoughtless rant from a minister. Wrong solution to a long standing problem.Lets be tough on convicted rapists NOT alleged ones. The issue here is some innocent men will rot in jail due to vindictiveness of the female allegation. Remember innocent until proven guilty.

  • watalife - 2011-06-07 15:25

    Now we will have more men locked away because woman just claim rape. What about poor men who get raped/murdered/abused?

  • Citizen - 2011-06-07 15:26

    Good!! Lets hope they implement it!

      watalife - 2011-06-07 15:49

      Lets hope they dont get it wrong again,If any person should be locked away for rape and the evidence does not support it then the so called victim must be sent to jail full stop.

  • DonQuixote - 2011-06-07 15:28

    The same minister that storms out of art exhibitions because they show homosexuals in them? So who put cash in your back pocket to say this??

      jowza - 2011-06-07 15:38

      so he does not like homos.

      Smaal - 2011-06-07 15:52

      Maybe you and Mad Man should get a room Jowza *Wink wink nudge nudge*

      jowza - 2011-06-07 16:10

      you should join us smaal.

      Smaal - 2011-06-07 19:12

      @Jowza: Who me? No thanks, don’t do tail gunning but I’ll let you have a leg up on that one.

  • Heronakamura - 2011-06-07 15:29

    Does this mean that those who rape and kill men will get a less harsher treatment?

  • Orcanda - 2011-06-07 15:39

    Then they must start with Zuma. He is also a rapist

      jowza - 2011-06-07 15:58

      get your facts straight.all they did was eat beetroot and have a shower

  • wacky fairy - 2011-06-07 15:46

    For all you idiots out there even if a woman cries rape ( which is an uncommon occurance). Foresics and a lack of evidence collected via a rape test and the courts will prove that the claims are faulse. What sickens me is that you chops believe that bail should not be denied because maybe , just maybe, someone might cry rape. Africa has the highest case of child and woman abuse & rape in the whole world. It has the highest cases of child murders and child trafficking in the world. The average black male belives woman are inferior and that if they wear a short skirt are begging to be raped. They treat their woman and children the same way they treat their cattle as a commodity to do with as they please. So it is not surprising when an article is posted on a woman proposing that bail should be denied to rapists ( especially child rapists) they retaliate by claiming that some woman is going to cry rape and this is a valid excuse why all rapists should get bail. Sick , F... up mind set. BUt then we have a president who rapes and gets away with it so its no surprise!

      Cacophony82 - 2011-06-07 16:17

      So in the time it takes for the forensics and evidence that would clear a man of rape to be put together, he should be raped in jail? Bail is there for a reason. To protect the innocent from being unjustly incarcerated.

      Luja - 2011-06-07 17:13

      To what you are saying, just few months ago I was arrested for the statutory rape of 2009, because I refuse to pay R2500.00 as a maintanence to the child born of such sexual intercourse of one night from the girl I met at the bar. are you saying I should have denied bail too?

  • wacky fairy - 2011-06-07 15:51

    @ Mad man... yea right white farmers raping black maids your freaken sick dreams man! Your not just mad you are dellusional!

      jowza - 2011-06-07 16:11

      no you are wacky

  • CorbZA - 2011-06-07 16:03

    Because rapists think about bail before they commit their heinous crime... Feeble effort, in my opinion.

  • Investor - 2011-06-07 16:04

    SA does not have a crime problem - it has a police problem !!!!!!

  • Cyril - 2011-06-07 16:17

    Okay, Lets start with Jacob Zuma should we???

  • Mikus - 2011-06-07 16:17

    the Guv is going to get tough - really - what are they going to do, stop providing encouragement? Oh, I also was under the impression that the "elections" had already been taken care of, why the posturing now?

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