Govt set for final talks on tolls

2012-09-22 14:00

Johannesburg - Government will next week meet with various interested parties for a final round of talks on the Gauteng Freeway Improvement Project, the office of the presidency said on Saturday.

Spokesperson Thabo Masebe said the first of the meetings would see government holding talks with the Opposition to Urban Tolling Alliance (Outa) at the Union Buildings on Tuesday.

"Government will use these meetings to respond to the issues that were raised by the stakeholders and to put on the table the way forward."

He said government had taken into account the public's concerns about the cost of e-tolling and would respond to the complaints next week.

On Thursday, the Constitutional Court ruled that an interim order granted by the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria in April, which put the project on hold, be set aside.

It concluded that the high court had not considered the separation of powers between the high court and the executive.

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-09-22 14:26

    "Toll talks" to take the "light" off the Jul Jul case..."sneaky"

      james.bondiski - 2012-09-23 06:57

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      marc.hugo.75 - 2012-09-23 11:04

      The ANC might not know it now, but this is going to be a massive nail in their coffin. It might be the last time they convene discussions on the matter but the matter is never going to be over; not till it is entirely scrapped. They could pay for this whole scrap iron project in 3 years by retrenching a mere 7% of the government payroll. But they don't have the spheres.

      marc.rule - 2012-09-25 14:30


  • mluleki.duku1 - 2012-09-22 14:58

    There's nothing to talk about jst scrap the damn thing, cnt they c that we nt happy about these tolls or they mst kiss n say goodbye to Gauteng. Our votes will do the talking cum 2014.

      matthew.patrick.925 - 2012-09-22 15:10

      As long as more voters think about their vote

  • rbphiri - 2012-09-22 15:10

    It's simple mathematics people the Tolls equals bye bye to free votes for the butthole anc in 2014. Let them continue with the tolls maybe than voters will wake up and vote them out.

  • bertus.pretorius.1 - 2012-09-22 15:29

    Amazing how fast they can move with this compared to delivering textbooks...

      lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-22 15:45

      There's no instant revenue in textbooks

  • beaves.vdmescht1 - 2012-09-22 15:37

    Why should we pay toll fees when yet we pay unnecessary taxes on a daily basis. Our roads. Have been going for a bowl of cereal the last 10 years anyway .What happened to the tax money we as South africans have been paying for maintenance for our beloved roads .A certain percentage of the petrol price is also Suppose to be put aside for that Which obviously was not happening !! So now we enrich the rich (our beloved govermant )and the poor will only get more poor !! Drop the petroll price Permanently and then talk of E TOLL

  • gregory.jurgens - 2012-09-22 15:39

    This government is extremely competent when it comes to taking money from the people. If only they could use the same enthusiasm for the hospitals , education system , service delivery and poverty alleviation.

      michael.molemahang - 2012-09-22 16:18

      tender.ANC=JZ and friends

  • toofaan.monsoon - 2012-09-22 15:54

    Dear Gauteng people : If this BS does go ahead, please insist that at the very least that every last cent is accounted for and does not end up in some criminal politicians back pocket. Also, please tell this Gordhan fellow that the only way anyone can sit around the table is if he is completley transparent about where the 20 Bill is going (with verifiable sources obviously). If he can't let's just hope Cosatu actually does hold the mother of all protests.

  • thembalam - 2012-09-22 16:06

    Let's put things into perspective here, money have been borrowed through the issuing of government bonds to the international community for the tune of R20Billion to be repaid over 20year period!!! Now if you understand anything about bonds, its a guaranteed form of shares!! Those that hold these shares in the form of bonds, are expecting an agreed return over the 20 year period!!! Its not a simple matter of giving back the lump-sum!! Its interest over time that attracts people to buy bonds!! If SA government falter on the repayments of these bonds at any level, I'm afraid it will have dire consequences to the country's credit rating. So there you have it, one way or another SA tax payers will be paying for these don bonds for the next 20 years to the international community!! Either through toll fees or increased taxes one way or another YOU WILL PAY!!! I hate to be the bearer of bad news!!! Let's all just calm the F*kc down and pay these damn tolls!! Look on the bright side - those gantries over the highways are beautiful aren't they!!??? Have you driven pass those things at night!!? LOLEST!!!

      lacrimosewolf - 2012-09-22 16:23

      It's still not explained why nearly all the toll money goes on admin fees and all to an off-shore company. Loan or not, citizens are paying twice for something that is now 400% over the original quote.

      henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-09-22 16:43

      no Tsepo, i will not pay for a road to enrich bond holders, aka the state pension fund. i will also not pay to enrich a few people who has a stake in this. this road was constructed by the apartheid regime and was commisioned in the late sixties. it was a concrete road that required little maintenance. now it is a blactop with substandard materials. no i will not pay tolls. add it to the Gauteng fuel price and everybody will pay for it.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-22 17:33

      You seem to forget or unaware that over R600b has gone missing from the taxpayer into the pockets of the thieves who are ruining SA. They also spent R400m in Bloemfontein last year celebrating the formation of the ANC. They spend millions of the taxpayer's hard earned money celebrating anything and everyrhing, renaming streets, etc. They also gave R16b to the World Bank to assist in allevating the global financial crisis; were ready to extend a loan of R2b to that womanise called Mswati, etc. See, they have the taxpayers money to splash around. We are not paying a cent more of FREE ways.

      james.bondiski - 2012-09-23 08:41

      @TSHEPO i hope that is sarcasm in your voice.SURELY YOU CANT BE SERIOUS???

  • kasper.mbayi2 - 2012-09-22 16:30

    The final talks will be just a waste of time public concerns. Because govenment already finalised about it. He just fooling public about talks he can't listen nothing from poor people.

  • irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-22 16:48

    Don't know what these government clowns want to talk about. WE'RE NOT PAYING - FINISHED AND KLAAR! Save the talks because the outcome will be the same WE'RE NOT PAYING!!!!!

  • themba.thwala.98 - 2012-09-22 17:38

    Once these morons have taken a decision, no amount of talking sense to them is going to change anything, unless the intention is for them to change other's minds. The fact that they would not even disclose who the SA shareholders in this grand theft are, add that their determination to ram the e-tolls down our throats is also proof that their grubby paws are all over the e-tolls feeding trough. Let`s resist this with all we have

      John - 2012-09-22 17:56

      The question of shareholders is right on the mark!! Next question. Who are the shareholders of the privately owned CORPORATION called the SOUTH AFRICAN RESERVE BANK? Why did this CORPORATION get itself entrenched into the CONSTITUTION? FREE MONEY!!!! No better kind of business!

  • John - 2012-09-22 17:47

    Passive resistance kicked the British out of India. Refuse to register! Refuse to pay! SANRAL is a private CORPORATION that wants to profit from OUR road usage. The government does NOT own the roads! The MEN and WOMEN own an equal and undivided share of everything in this country. There is no such thing as government PROPERTY! The government is the SERVANT of the PEOPLE, not the MASTER or the OWNER as they would wish you to believe!!!

      marc.hugo.75 - 2012-09-23 11:08

      Completely correct John. I couldn't have said it better.

  • Tshilidzi Wa Ha Mukhovha - 2012-09-22 18:11

    The judge decision is final and OUTA and CoSaTU knows it very well. I am telling you the government must come with a reasonable tariffs so as to convinced Joburg motorist to register for E-tag. People these E-tolls(open road tolling there are a lot of people who are employed there and if it scraped where are they going to work as you can see we have a high volume of unemployment in south africa. Just think about these people!

      Clive.D.Buckley - 2012-09-23 07:53

      mooshi.thirtytwo - 2012-09-23 08:55

      Well consider the following: 80% of everything you buy and use comes through Gauteng by road, poor rich, everyone is going to pay at the end of the day, for at least 80% of everything you use and buy. My wife, me, and daughter is all travelling in different directions in Johannesburg, we are all going to pay R 550 / month additional – R 1650 / month. Maybe you can afford this, I can not afford this additional tax…do you want to guess what? I will need to cut on my budget and the only thing left where I can cut on my budget is my domestic worker. So much for the poor and you can thank the ANC for this.

  • Hendrik JJ Kruger - 2012-09-22 20:07

    Employ incompetent people and you get this. Well done.

  • manfred.meyer - 2012-09-23 06:57

    This governments insistence to push unpopular resolutions and bills (e-tolling, information bill, fracking to name but few) despite heavy resistance from all corners, shows it's complete disregard for the working class of this country. We are all merely regarded as sheep. Infact, I don't know why I am writing this now.. All the ANC & its cronies will be reading is 'baaah baah bah'.

  • emile.vanrayner.7 - 2012-09-23 11:29

    there are contingencies set aside for road maintenance. it is part of the planning process for every road ever laid by govt. you have to adjust the budget for maintenance of every road. people certainly are not driving more often, what with the cost of petrol steadily on the rise, so the reason the roads are in bad condition is because govt is not maintaining them. wherever the money for this is, its being stolen

  • marc.rule - 2012-09-25 14:33

    HEY I dont care about this crap. WE NEVER ASKED FOR THIS E-TOLL $H!T.

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