Govt toilets not for sale - Cosatu

2011-07-13 14:06

Johannesburg - Officials cannot sell government toilets that are supposed to be provided for free, the Congress of SA Trade Unions said on Wednesday.

Cosatu spokesperson Patrick Craven said poor people could not pay for toilets or low-cost houses, which they were entitled to be given for free.

He was responding to the recent toilets scandal in Tshiame near Harrismith in the Free State, where the Maluti-a-Phofung municipality has built 1 000 toilets on land earmarked for low cost houses, and intends to sell sites with toilets for R12 000.

"In any case, the toilets are so close together that it will be impossible for people to build houses on the adjoining land," Craven said in a statement.

'Ugly face of corruption'

Craven said the police must investigate and arrest any councillors or officials found to be guilty of corruptly profiteering at the expense of the poor.

Human Settlements Minister Tokyo Sexwale on Tuesday described the situation as the "true and ugly face of corruption and misuse of power".

"The Harrismith toilet-saga represents the ugly face of the kind of corruption we have been calling people to stand together against.

"This represents the worst form of planning which degrades the dignity of the poorest of the poor," he said in a statement.

Sexwale was to visit the township of Tshiame on Wednesday in order to see for himself the extent of the scandal.

Confusion over enclosures

In the Free State's first toilet row in May, the Human Rights Commission received a complaint that 1 600 toilets in the ANC-run Moqhaka municipality had been left without enclosures for the past eight years.

The matter was apparently the result of an agreement between the municipality and local residents, that the municipality would provide the sanitation and residents would erect the enclosures.

Residents have denied this.

A similar matter attracted huge attention in the Western Cape.

On April 29 the Western Cape High Court ordered the DA-led City of Cape Town to enclose 1 316 toilets in the Makhaza settlement on the Cape Flats.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-07-13 14:10

    Crap for free from the Govt...

      partykarate87 - 2011-07-13 14:26

      "poor people could not pay for toilets or low-cost houses, which they were entitled to be given for free" - WHY???

      McDaNife - 2011-07-13 14:33

      This sh1t is not going on, waiting to hit the ceiling I suppose

      Together - 2011-07-13 14:43

      um, is this a labour dispute? Why is Cosatu commenting? Or are they part of a political party?

      jowza - 2011-07-13 15:03

      is a closed toilet an optional extra?

      p123 - 2011-07-13 15:45

      Idiots, it's your ANC comrades doing this, whu don't you join a non corrupt political party. Now for dumb ANC supporters, this is not racist comment!!!

      ihtfcatkii - 2011-07-13 15:58

      BWHAHAHAHAHA!!! Awesome! I hope all these morons buy these plots WITH toilets and get ripped off good and proper. Enjoy your empty promises you imbeciles, you voted for it!

      winter123 - 2011-07-14 11:46

      So, if I undersand correctly: the poor is entitled to free services, the municipality had a meeting with the community members and came to the agreement that the toilets would be supplied by the municipality and the community would be willing to erect the enclosures? How was that ever going to be put into practice? Did the municipality actually trust that the community would hold up their end of the bargain? Yet again, proper planning seem to be a very foreign concept to these officials... I don't understand though: are the toilets alltogether on one site or are they just too close together for houses to be erected to enclose them in individual structures? Why is it so easy for these municipalities to f*ck up something so simple actually...?

  • Dave - 2011-07-13 14:13

    Our daily dose of corruption news

  • BRONZE - 2011-07-13 14:15

    Why are they saying exactly the same thing the Minister said yesterday? Come on Cosatu.

      Together - 2011-07-13 14:50

      I agree. I wasn't aware that this toilet business was a labour dispute. Maybe Cosatu will find a way to turn it into a plumbers' strike - damanding a 20% increase and an 8-hour week. Oh no, they can't - plumbers are mostly self-employed, right?

      BRONZE - 2011-07-13 15:27

      Yeah, they are self employed unfortunately. But Cosatu must stick to fighting for labour, I know they are failing (goodness knows they can't negotiate anything without pulling the "strike card") but they must focus. Let the community and other civil organisations fight this one.

  • marguerite - 2011-07-13 14:15

    why they trying to sell it then? i thought it was all planned in their budget and promised to the people.. FOR FREE..

      Creeky - 2011-07-13 16:17

      "............the toilets are so close together that it will be impossible for people to build houses on the adjoining land,...." That my friends is what AFRICAN PLANNING IS ALL ABOUT!!!! ROFLMWAO!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAA!!!! A CLUSTER SH!THOUSE COMPLEX..........or is that a COMPLEX SH!THOUSE CLUSTER? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAA!!! (Falls off chair) Only in Africa!

      Azizi - 2011-07-13 17:37

      Creeky you are one of those WT mlungu's.

      Creeky - 2011-07-13 19:04

      Nope....@ Azizi.... I see and read about the SH!T (pardon the pun) and I laugh! I live in Europe and laugh a Africa! You on the other hand... "Mhlungu" is your BOSS..........LIKE IT OR NOT!!!

      Creeky - 2011-07-13 19:05

      Azizi............get used to matter what the ANCYL says or rants about.... Mhlungu will ALWAYS BE THE BAAAS!!!!!

  • willieman - 2011-07-13 14:16

    'Ugly face of corruption'you are part of the collective Mr Craven you need to be arrested as well

  • Gorilla - 2011-07-13 14:16

    Of course - how ridiculous... you don't expect people to pay for services do you? Where on earth have you been?

      Together - 2011-07-13 14:45

      Absolutely - especially if the aim is to end up without your own currency, running on US dollars like Zimbabwe. Must be embarrassing for a bunch of socialists to have to pay for everything with US dollars.

  • K_za - 2011-07-13 14:18

    VIVA ANC!!! Show the DA how to really pull off a toilet saga.

      Pickle - 2011-07-13 14:31

      You were born stupid right?

      navarac - 2011-07-13 15:01

      @ (In a) Pickle You seem to seriously lack reading comprehension skills.

  • Civil_Rights - 2011-07-13 14:18

    Officials cannot sell government toilets that are supposed to be provided for free. So basically the poor can't afford to take a crap, but they are obligated to take crap from the Government. Government should erect more toilets in parliament-becoz that's where the biggest load of sh*t comes from.

      Krush - 2011-07-13 14:50

      You get what you vote for.

      jowza - 2011-07-13 15:02

      i voted for the dagga party.where is my zol

      lollie sue - 2011-07-13 15:46

      @jowza, hahaha dude

  • TBOOZE - 2011-07-13 14:19

    by the time everyone realize who Tokyo is ,he would be a president and a Billionaire, he was behind that whole Mbeki situation ,in fact he wanted to be the president but Zuma was to popular then and they needed the Zulu people vote,now his taking Zuma down .. as for nationalization come on , you dont think Malema can come up with that ,im sure two years back he didnt even know such word exist . as for Kgalema Motlanthe he will be the deputy president for life

      Tom - 2011-07-13 14:50

      well if it has to be the ANC then it might as well be Tokyo in the drivers seat.

      willieman - 2011-07-13 15:13

      What has this got to o with toilet saga

      Together - 2011-07-13 15:27

      Um – seriously, TBOOZE? How can people run purely on rumour and innuendo - unable to think for themselves? The fact that Tokyo knows what words like responsibility and accountability mean, the fact that he hasn't been involved in countless court cases and doesn't owe a 1000 people favours - that he knows how to talk with dignity and authority - surely these things would appeal to you as a South African? You would rather have a swearing, unskilled and inexperienced juvenile (apparently he is still a "youth") because he tells you what you want to hear? Sometimes I think someone is throwing drugs into SA's water supply...

  • bentz5000 - 2011-07-13 14:33

    The government really do not give a f*ck about the poor. As if keeping them poor is not enough, they steal from the poorest of poor and still manage to sleep at night. Bunch of animals

      Paralegal - 2011-07-13 15:11

      Please don't insult animals.

  • slojam - 2011-07-13 14:40

    Oooooh! This is a sh|tty story indeed!

  • jock - 2011-07-13 14:45

    This is South Africa and the Govt.officials have learned from their seniors that it is OK to be corrupt and make a quick buck from the tax payers money

  • Smindlo - 2011-07-13 14:52

    12K to crap? not a chance, I can build my own toliet for a quarter of that money. sell it to the masses rather!!!!!!!!!!hehehehehehe

  • patrice - 2011-07-13 15:02

    One has to marvel at the righteous indignation of both Craven and Sexwale. Which country have they both been living in for the past 17 years ?

      Smindlo - 2011-07-13 15:04


      Glen - 2011-07-13 15:13

      The Republic of the ANC champions of the poor

  • Other Justin - 2011-07-13 15:10

    LOL! And the cANCer is quick to jump on the bandwagon when it comes to toilets, all the while, their toilet saga has sequels......This is typical cANCer stories. Shout and call the DA government racist because of their toilet issues, only to find that the cANCer run areas are much, much worse. EAT SOME HUMBLE PIE cANCer! Where are the cANCer preschoolers tearing down the constructed toilets of the cANCer??????? Bunch of Hippocrates!

      Creeky - 2011-07-13 16:21

      (Lifts the "HIPPOCRATES" with the forklift)

  • L.A - 2011-07-13 15:13

    it makes me feel sick to know that our own comrades are doing this, maybe they are not true citizens, maybe they belong to the past, they are unfortuantely placed to this position they deliberately compromise the policies of this government.

      DW - 2011-07-13 15:44

      It makes us all sick, but we saw it long ago and no longer vote for ANC. Why do you still call them comrades? They are thieving corrupt bastards. Why do you keep voting for them. We tried to tell you, but anyone who stated this before the elections who was white was racist, and was black was a coconut. Can you now see that we were right? Will you admit it and not vote ANC again next time? I guess not. Well then live with your open toilets and thieving government.

  • willieman - 2011-07-13 15:14

    @Krush welcome back

  • L.A - 2011-07-13 15:31

    your comments are sick, are you angry that the ANC is in power? and is trying to serve everyone not just the minority. You have to wake up and smell the coffee before it's too late. Real citizens of South Africa Blacks and whites will definately fight corruption, injustice and inequality. and those who think of relocating to Australia, I guess they don't have money to relocate, they would have gone longtime ago they should leave us alone, we will build this country, day and night.

      Joe Donner - 2011-07-13 15:43

      The ANC does serve just a minority, i.e. the top-level, well-connected elite who enrich themselves while the poor stay poor.

      DW - 2011-07-13 15:45

      LA when will you open your eyes and see that the ANC is only serving themselves and their cadres? They could not care less about the masses. Wake up and smell the coffee yourself. They are not building this country, they are breaking it down and spending the money on themselves, and you keep on and on voting for them. You deserve what you get.

      Together - 2011-07-13 15:49

      L.A. - I can't speak for everyone else, but I am angry that so many of the current ANC leadership have let the party and country down by working hard to enrich themselves and bringing the party into disrepute. And yes, millions of us do work day and night to bring corruption down - and we are always impressed when a minister steps in to do something really decisive instead of just talking and talking and talking and talking and talking... It's the R78 000 cash holidays, the luxury Sandton mansions, the billion rand illegal leases, the forcing people to pay R15 000 for toilets, the trashing of two Public Protectors, the endless court battles, the death parole for people who spend their days on golf courses that should offend you too. I have no desire to go to Australia, but I have a responsibility to do what is right where I live.

      allie - 2011-07-13 16:10

      The ANC elite sees these peasants as subhuman beings

      tryanything - 2011-07-13 19:20

      The anc is not serving anybody And yes im sorry they are in power not angry....they are ripping everybody off not serving them.

  • ZACKIE - 2011-07-13 15:34

    they must all pay for these toilets malema needs money to pay for his new sandton house, these people are getting a good pay up

  • Born To Fish - 2011-07-13 15:52

    Whahahahaha, Sh!t collecting Cadres!!!!

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