Groups to oppose Pretoria name change

2012-02-22 10:43

Johannesburg - Several interest groups will oppose the government's plans to rename South Africa's capital city Tshwane, it was reported on Wednesday.

AfriForum, the Freedom Front, and the National Taxpayers' Union said they were against the name change and that they would form a united front to prevent the government from carrying out its plan, Beeld reported.

Gauteng Premier Nomvula Mokonyane, and Arts and Culture Minister Paul Mashatile said on Monday that the Pretoria name change issue had to be concluded by the end of 2012.

Freedom Front leader Dr Pieter Mulder told the newspaper the proposed name change was a politically strategic move to score points in the run-up to the ANC's leadership elections in December 2012.

"Renaming a capital city is not something you conclude in a hurry. Reconciliation and co-operation are being pushed to the background for the sake of ANC interests. We will fight this on all levels, because it's unnecessary," Mulder said.

Mashatile said he planned to hold meetings between the city council, AfriForum and other interest groups before a final decision was made.

  • jaz82 - 2012-02-22 10:51

    Why change something that is not wrong. just let it be

      Lorenzo - 2012-02-22 10:54

      Changing names of cities and roads is literally the last thing that the government should be worrying about! Wow seriously dumb...

      Poloyatonki - 2012-02-22 11:16

      AfriForum, the Freedom Front, and the National Taxpayers' Union are no different from ANCYL.

      Lloyd - 2012-02-22 11:18

      rather use the money for social upliftment

      Nicholas.Spaggiari - 2012-02-22 11:38

      Do you know how much money it costs to change a street name? Why waste so much money on crap like that.. ha ha ha ha.. You know, the international community will probably get confused when flying into cities that have name changes on a daily basis. Bring back the good old Transvaal!

      Nicholas.Spaggiari - 2012-02-22 11:39

      Even the name Gauteng sucks, it sounds like a type of illness.

      msendi - 2012-02-22 11:40

      Changing those colonial names is a part of social upliftment. Those who are opposed to name change are just wasting their energy. Sooner the white extremists will be living in Tswane, Mandela Street using money with mandela's image… How nice is that???

      thomas.mazibisa - 2012-02-22 13:10

      Instead of working on the real problems affecting the people they busy on things which divide the people. What the benefits the people in name change?? Why not improve on service delivery instead?

  • Johan - 2012-02-22 10:54

    Why this obsession with name change The cost will be enormous and what will it achieve!

      Lorenzo - 2012-02-22 11:07

      Nothing...! I still call O.R Tambo, Johannesburg International. And I will always call Pretoria, Pretoria.

      phathuchicos - 2012-02-22 11:24

      Good for you time when you book an emirates flight from Dubai don't be shocked when the self-help machines gives you an error.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-02-22 11:45

      I suppose you will claim next that Cape Town was a fully established city before Van Riebeeck arrived here? When the Europeans arrived here, there were just huts and cattle, no civilisation, so i really don't get how some people can claim we "stole" the land from them. Africa is the birth place of ALL humans, therefore this land belongs to everyone, who has paid for their piece. Things cannot always be free.

      Lorenzo - 2012-02-22 11:49

      @The-Azanian - Obviously if I'm booking a flight I won’t use Joburg genius. But if you have ever actually travelled internationally you’ll know that nobody knows what O.R Tambo is… but when you say Johannesburg they know.

      Barry - 2012-02-22 12:50

      Yes Johan costs are enormous and it achieves nothing except gratifies the native African and justifies his feelings that he did not build or design anything yet inherits a thriving infrastructure and economy. When this is unable to be maintained and falls apart and collapses as has done all over Africa, the slums and shacks will have an appropriate name.

      Martin - 2012-02-22 14:05

      azanian, if im correct the international call sign for or tambo is still JAI and will not change

  • MSGRule - 2012-02-22 10:59

    Wow like a dog with a bone. Does not want to let this one go. Is this to prove a point possibly??

      kayceechick - 2012-02-22 13:07

      My Pit Bull lets go of her bone when I tell her to... now what point does that prove? Someone somewhere is wanting this change for some unknown reason (munnee for sure)

  • Xoli - 2012-02-22 11:02

    Wonder how much money and time the GOv. spend on these name changes..they should instead invest their time and money on something else..Oh and by the way Pretoria will always be Pretoria to me. dont care what they think

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-02-22 11:47

      I like your attitude Xoli :-)

      msendi - 2012-02-22 11:57

      As if you can stop the winds of change… What "something else" are you talking about? It doesn't matter how much it cost. The money you are talking about is nothing if some people paid with their lives for change. Let get rid of our colonial past before it is too late…

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-02-22 12:15

      Clearly you have no idea of the true value of money then. They could use the money to build houses, award bursaries, social development programmes. Why waste money on changing a name? Unless you are going to fund this renaming with your own personal income... shut up.

      Xoli - 2012-02-22 13:17

      @Msendi I hope you are making a joke, or you are a "something else" could be houses, EDU, or anything that will bennefit the people of SA, how is renaming a place going to bennefit me and you? Do you know how much the ADMIN fees might be for doing such a thing? bet you didnt think of that, thats if you know what thinking is....OH MY GOSH ignorance

      Rob - 2012-02-22 16:01

      It is funny it was the colonialist past that established the streets, towns and cities you want renamed. You have a weird sense of thinking.

  • Klipkop - 2012-02-22 11:03

    You cannot erase our (SA) history by changing names! Save the money and give it to the poor. I will always call blue bull country PRETORIA. Did the boere change the name of Port Elizabeth when we kicked out the brits over a hundred years ago? No. The poms killed many south africans during the boer war, black and white and we kept all the Eng names. Why? Cannot erase history by changing names! You already changed all the names in Limpopo and northwest and we know you (ANC) rule the country.

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-02-22 12:37

      @Tshililo: Every human on this planet has a history here.. we all come from Africa. Therefore you don't have a right to say who is and isn't allowed here. And moron is spelt with one r... MORON

      Xoli - 2012-02-22 13:24

      @Tshililo or something along those time ask someone to help you with your spelling, no you know what dont, the double RR suite you perfectly...* this forum is over flowing with "MORRONS" or Tshililos today...

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-02-22 14:12

      Lol xoli u r cool :-)

      Axel - 2012-02-22 14:38

      @Tshililo, I wonder if your knowledge of your history covers the Lifaqane/Mfecane wars (around 1820) when as a result of Zulu expansionism thousands upon thousands were slaughtered or subjugated by Shaka's armies and mercenaries, entire tribes driven from their homelands, and some even forced into cannibalism to survive. He was a devious murdering despot whose name instilled terror. He forced the zulu language and traditions on those he conquered and exterminated those who refused. Compared to him, your paler compatriots seem like choir boys!

  • Zipho - 2012-02-22 11:05

    Finally this name change thing is coming to an end, Cape Town you are next..

      MSGRule - 2012-02-22 11:14

      @Zipho - Idiots are out today in force. Comments and thoughts like this will kill this country.

      Dominique - 2012-02-22 11:17

      In your wildest dreams. Cape town is more likely to become independent of the rest of SA before any name change takes place.

      Gerald - 2012-02-22 11:53


      msendi - 2012-02-22 11:55

      Stop fooling yourselves by thinking that Cape Town belong to DA. Cape Town is a part of South Africa and SA's ruling party is ANC. With their majority in Parliament, ANC can get rid of provinces and there is nothing DA can do…

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-22 13:30

      @msendi, lol! That is where you wrong, we can do anything we like about it... And it's moron not that "fuddy duddy" way you spelt it.

  • Debbi - 2012-02-22 11:17

    What a huge waste of money! Not only will it cost the taxpayer for the actual physical name change (street signs, etc) but businesses are going to have to fork out huge amounts of money to reprint all their letterheads, business cards, compliment slips, change their websites and marketing materials - ludicrous!!

  • phathuchicos - 2012-02-22 11:20

    When you take a look at a map of Africa, south africa is like a European country due to its European city names...we need to diversify some of the our city names like Durban to ethekhwini and Pretoria to Tshwane if this is a country that represent everyone.

      phathuchicos - 2012-02-22 11:44

      Tshwane means to agree on common topic which is peace...i think it would do good since it would be standing for something everyone wants in this country "peace" instead of the name that we don't even know where it came from.

      phathuchicos - 2012-02-22 11:46

      @ and we should change you to palayadonngi

      Gerald - 2012-02-22 11:56

      and there is diversity in all your UNPRONOUNCEABLE name changes? seem all one sided to me!

      msendi - 2012-02-22 12:01

      Now someone is talking. The train is moving whether they like it or not, no one can stop it…

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-02-22 12:26

      @Azanian: if you are ignorant of the origin of the name, then go and bladdy do some research and learn something. The name comes from the guy that FOUNDED the city.

      rbczovczov - 2012-02-22 13:13

      @wesley, you say Pretoria was named after the person who founded the city right? My question to you is, "Were there no indigenous people already staying in the area when the "founder" arrived? Did he ask for their opinion or approval before re-naming the place Pretoria?

      wesley.bischoff - 2012-02-22 13:29

      @rbczovczov: I am sure there were Khoi-San people there. They are the original inhabitants. And sure, if they had a town founded and established then (before the Europeans arrived) sure, they can decide on the name of the city, if it was 'stolen' from them. But they didn't. Pretorius established the town that was to become the city of Pretoria and as such, the city is named after him. If the history books or someone has evidence that a Khoi-San inhabitant founded and made the city what it is today, then by all means, let the name be changed to honour him. If not, then what-the-f*ck-ever.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-22 13:31

      @rbczovczov, before Pretoria there was no city or town...*sigh* Tswane was the area or region where people lived..

  • whambides - 2012-02-22 11:40

    Christ, there going to be no history in SA after these idiots are finished.....But then again they stuff everything up in the end.

  • Tamarin - 2012-02-22 12:04

    I don't believe that the people who want to change Pretoria's name have any idea what the impact of that will be on everything. all the money spent on changing signs when instead we could have fixed roads or spent it on education. but noooo, rather change something that is internationally known as PRETORIA and waste the taxpayers money...why???...because we have nothing better to do than be corrupt and fix things that are not broken.

  • Donald - 2012-02-22 12:10

    Yes, please change its name, as the city is no longer what it used to be anyway. It is now an insult to Pretorius as well as to its former glory.

  • umngane - 2012-02-22 12:30

    On the other side of the coin, who profits from the name changes? Who owns the companies that will be tasked with replacing the signage, printing new maps, guidebooks, atlases? I want to buy shares. I vote for bigger signboards saying "Tshwane, the township formally known as the city of Pretoria" Sadly I think the populist politics won't end until a high level of education is maintained (not in our lifetimes), and name changes are part and parcel of the trend. Russian cities had their names changed, and later changed back again, as the political tides changed.

  • Sazi - 2012-02-22 12:36

    Why in the world would they want to change the name? Just proof that our hard earned tax money goes into worthless things because this would mean, maps have to be changed, road signs have to be changed, heck even the GPS woman will have to be changed? Idiots man!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-02-22 13:36

      Got to keep the voters happy Sazi - and this is a hassle free easy quick way of pleasing them...

  • Deborah - 2012-02-22 12:42

    Tshwane exists. Pretoria is part of Tshwane. With me so far? Good. I exist. My left kneecap is part of me. Now consider how likely I am to change my name to Left Kneecap. On a 5-point scale, it's about a minus 5 million. And I'm not even an international capital city. I appreciate people's need to make themselves popular with their voters, but there must be other ways. Let me see ... providing accommodation for pavement squatters would be good; building and tarring township roads; improving the accounts department ... lots of scope there, before we even get around to potholes and pavements and invasive alien vegetation.

  • Tony - 2012-02-22 13:32

    The ANC have no right to talk about reconciliation. This is a classic case of "my way or the highway"! Xenophobic attacks are much the same.... Says a lot about the majority of South Africans. Nice people who couldn't give a hoot about others.

  • Jean - 2012-02-22 13:32

    The name Pretoria sounds just too white on the black ear. They will persue this change at all cost. To the African it is an attievement to try and humiliate the white man. They feel victorious and they are at the same time seen and admired as the heroes of Africa. How convenient?

  • RobertKeeling - 2012-02-22 13:34

    "Mashatile said he planned to hold meetings between the city council, AfriForum and other interest groups before a final decision was made." And of course we all believe that, don't we? Like hell - they are just stalling with more lies. The name will change come hell or high water!

  • Grimett - 2012-02-22 13:40

    Have you ever seen people hiking in the Eastern Cape,their placards are still XA,XB,XC, etc. but none of those places still bear those vehicle registrations,you can change it on paper,but Pretoria will remain in the hearts of the people for generations to come,even our Black poets will recite Pitoli in their poems of oppression,your official documents will say Tshwane, but you cannot erase Pretoria/Pitoli from our hearts.We need to keep some names,changing them will not alter what happened there.Many were hanged in Pretoria but none in Tshwane.

  • vivisu100 - 2012-02-22 14:05

    What an idiot effort,waste of money for a nonsense crab!

  • Andre Viljoen Joubert - 2012-02-22 14:08

    To change is human. To progres is devine. Something the ANC knows nothing about.

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