Hands off our king, KZN leaders say

2012-01-24 22:30

Durban - It was disrespectful to demand an apology from Zulu monarch King Goodwill Zwelithini for an alleged gay slur, traditional leaders in KwaZulu-Natal said on Tuesday.

"We condemn the gays and lesbian group [for questioning] His Majesty iMbube to apologise to them," the provincial Congress of Traditional Leaders of SA (Contralesa) said in a statement.

"This shows how disrespectful they are and worse to the point of that they would approach the king on twisted facts. They are just seeking fame out [of] our king." The group said Zwelithini had in fact raised concerns about moral decay.

"The king does not owe anyone an apology."

According to The Times, Zwelithini told guests in Nquthu that "traditionally", there were no people who engaged in same sex-relationships.

"There was nothing like that and if you do it, you must know that you are rotten. I don't care how you feel about it. If you do it, you must know that it is wrong and you are rotten. Same sex is not acceptable," he was quoted as saying.

Zwelithini reportedly said this as he delivered his speech on Sunday at the 133rd commemoration of the January 22 1879 battle of Isandlwana. The event was also attended by President Jacob Zuma. Gay and lesbian activist groups criticised the king's reported statement.

Contralesa said the journalist who wrote the story should have sought clarity before writing his report based on "twisted" information.

Earlier on Monday, the SA Human Rights Commission said it would write to the king to ascertain whether he made the statements and if he did, to immediately retract them.

It would also raise the issue with Zuma.

KwaZulu-Natal premier Zweli Mkhize wanted to meet the commission's head, Lawrence Mushwana, to discuss allegations against Zwelithini, his spokesperson Ndabe Sibiya said on Tuesday.

"[He] strongly feels that the public has been misled."

He said Mkhize was disappointed at the interpretation the king's speech.

According to Mkhize, the Zulu king denounced any form of abuse, and did not lash out at gays and lesbians.

Addressing members of the royal household portfolio committee in the KwaZulu-Natal legislature on Tuesday, Mkhize challenged anyone who claimed to have evidence of a homophobic statement made by the Zulu king to produce it.

He played a DVD of Zwelithini's speech, which he said did not contain an attack on gays.

Sibiya said Mkhize felt it was important for him to meet Mushwana so he could explain what the king said and provide him with a copy of the speech and the DVD.

Like Contralesa, Sibiya said Mkhize was disappointed that the commission had commented before it had the facts.

On Monday, the Zulu royal household criticised the "reckless translation" of Zwelithini's speech.

"At no stage did His Majesty condemn gay relations or same sex relations," his spokesperson Prince Mbonisi Zulu said.

  • gbbfg - 2012-01-24 23:43

    And there ladies and gentlemen we have everything you need to know about them. This concept of blind faith in a leader gets you precisely what every poverty-stricken person in Africa has. It really does make perfect sense.

      Larry - 2012-01-25 07:18

      Exactly, it goes to the root cause of everything that is wrong in Africa.

      Sean - 2012-01-25 07:28

      Like lemmings running off of the ciff together.

      Francois - 2012-01-25 08:42

      The problem is that even if he is king, he is not above the law in SA. The SAHRC should investigate him. None of the political parties will take him on as that will mean an immediate loss of votes via the "mielie meel for votes" campaign and even the opposition would like to have him say that the ANC is a bit bad, but he will not say that if they push the case.

  • Michael - 2012-01-25 00:20

    And we routinely get people here mocking royalty in Europe. Seems African royalty are not only a source of embarrassment, but still blindly followed and revered. And they call Europe backwards. Go figure...

  • Nikki Bodenstein - 2012-01-25 00:32

    King of idiots

  • Thabani - 2012-01-25 00:34

    King Goodwill is a disgrace to South Africa and the Zulu nation in particular. These people don't belong in this era. God must just help us with new leaders.

      Sydney - 2012-01-25 06:43

      The one and true God - Zeus :P

      Xolani Ziqubu - 2012-01-25 06:48

      Uze uthi uNgangezwe uyihlazo nje uyazi utheni? Awuzazi uyini. Ujahe ukujabulisa abelumbi ngalenkulumo yakho. Zama ukuthola umyalezo wenkosi ngaphambi kokunya ngomlomo. UMthaniya kazi uthini lapho ekhona mezwa izinkulumo ezinjena...

      Gestoffle - 2012-01-25 07:54

      @Balstrome - there is only one God....Maradonna....(some might say Pele)

      Sydney - 2012-01-25 09:14

      Hmmm, the FSM is certainly more delicious. :)

      Stephen - 2012-01-25 10:16

      I dont need a God, or a leader, I'm reasonably sane.

      siphomk - 2012-01-25 13:07

      iyizwiye inkosi itheni? get yo fact straight baba uyaziphoxa

  • Marcell - 2012-01-25 00:47

    I agree with the king.

      Deon - 2012-01-25 03:02

      Mooi man, ek stem ook saam met ons groot koning.

      Vince - 2012-01-28 18:09

      Ja Deon, hy naai jou lekker in die oog elke keer as hy jou belasting geld mors! Ek het net twee woorde vir die koning........F_k Jou koning reuse d00s

  • CoenieKukkuk - 2012-01-25 01:13

    See the News24 story here: A Modern African Fairy Tale:

  • vloors - 2012-01-25 01:20

    disrespectful se gat.

  • Blip - 2012-01-25 01:59

    This pseudo-king draws his massive allowances from the ordinary non-Zulu South African taxpayers who owe him ZERO allegiance and even less respect when he misbehaves. If he drew his funds from only his own subjects, we'd respect him more as he wouldn't have his hand in our wallets.

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-25 09:00

      We , the TAX payers , should have more control of the gravy train , after all its our money. I would love to see the top 5% tax payers , strike . Damn the man.

  • Kgothatso Kgothi Mnguni - 2012-01-25 05:41

    Disrespectful my gat!!! Nxa

  • Jacques Theron - 2012-01-25 05:45

    I am a republican. I don't recognize any monarch. I believe monarchies are corrupt and perpetuated by leeches that contribute nothing useful to society. However this person is recognised as a cultural leader by the South African constitution. On that grounds alone I will afford him the appropriate respect. The same constitution protects me from hate speech and bigotry by small minded individuals. I hope he remembers it before he dumps his trash on me and other people like me.

      Blip - 2012-01-25 22:19

      He's someone else's chief, but you are expected to pay out of your own pocket for his super-opulent lifestyle. That's not right. You owe him nothing at all. He, in fact, owes you.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-06-05 15:02

      The king can kiss my shoes. My cat is more regal than that fat lump of useless jelly.

  • Enlightened - 2012-01-25 06:21

    ednapd; I agree with Roland. You make a big statement here. What happens if one is a non believer? You HAVE to respect their views. Just remember they stand at least as big a chance of being right as you do, regardless of whether you think so or not. I have noticed a nasty little tendency among religious people towards a non tolerance of those with different views. Show respect for other peoples stance, I'm sure that's all they ask. By the way, the king is a public figure with much influence on his people to just make statements at his leisurely In a person of his stature, I feel is irresponsible. Measure is of utmost importance as what he says will have consequences on peoples perception of things, in this case, gays and lesbians. Whilst I am neither gay nor lesbian, quite frankly, as long as they do not try to be gay with me and respect me as I respect them, it is their choice and they should not be judged by that choice but by their qualities as people.

      Kevin - 2012-01-25 06:42

      Enlightened, you mis the point. Goodwill Zwelithini is a freeloading waste of the taxpayers money. He is the "King" of nothing, he has no kingdom, he is a ward of state and should respect the constitution. I resent every cent of the tax money I contribute paying for the myriad of "Chiefs", "Nkosi" or whatever the hell you want to call them. They contribute nothing to the advancement of society whilst wasting money that would be better spent on health or education. The concept of stae paid kings is a barstardization of the English system where the Queen gets the civil list in return for performing the duties as head of state. To get the civil list, Queen Victoria bequeathed all the royal families then assets to the state. The British Government does not have the money to return the assets and do away with the civil list. All Goodwill Zwelithini has contributed to South Africa is several wives dozens of freeloading children and stupid comments.

  • Sydney - 2012-01-25 06:44

    There shouldn't even be any damn kings.

      jody.beggs - 2012-01-25 09:03

      Especially Kings maintained will my TAX money, and your of course . Dam the man.

      Sydney - 2012-01-25 09:15

      lol. At least I got some tax money back this year, paid for a nice dinner in a decent restaurant. :D

  • Faizie - 2012-01-25 06:52

    Well if its about respect and his family, perhaps the King and his family can respect mine. His son Prince Simakade Jackson Zulu does not pay child support for his daughter. Will Contralesa take up my plight also

      Xolani Ziqubu - 2012-01-25 07:15

      Is your child gay?

  • christian.helberg - 2012-01-25 06:54

    We don't have to be respectful to him, he is not our king! Respect is earned! The Zulu people should to respect him, tired our our hard earned taxes paying for his lifestyle too, the Zulu people should support him not us. WE DONT HAVE A KING!

  • Mandy Mc Donald - 2012-01-25 07:08

    @Muthu. now that is ignorance at it's worst! People in general are comfortable with what they know, anything different scares them and is intimidating to them. WHO are you to judge other people's sexual preferences? Don't preach morality when you deem it fit to be hateful towards people you don't understand! People who do not understand diversity are just plain narrow minded.

  • Sean - 2012-01-25 07:31

    This is a song from a band called "Dead Can Dance" In the Land of the Blind, the One Eyed Man is king......

  • Kurt - 2012-01-25 07:51

    He is the Zulu King, Not the South African King. So we in a Democratic state can and will demand an apology for a narrow minded, old school, "King".

      Blip - 2012-01-25 22:22

      He's only a chief who calls himself "king" because it sounds grander.

  • Nathi - 2012-01-25 07:59

    Give the King a bells.

      Nduduzo Emmanuel Mdluli - 2012-01-25 08:14


      Blip - 2012-01-25 22:23

      Like you do with a cat that keeps bothering birds?

  • Warwick - 2012-01-25 08:08

    If this clown is the king of the zulus, why must ALL South Africans pay towards his upkeep of many wives, children, homes and cars. This from a man that still runs around in animal skins looking for young girls.

  • SarelJBotha - 2012-01-25 08:12

    This "king''s upkeep is paid for by tax pyers, so we can say things about him. If the Zulu's want to continue with this king, why let the rest of us pay, against our will? Surely they should pay for him and they alone.

      Blip - 2012-01-25 22:24

      Then this "king" would live like they do --- pretty much in poverty.

  • andrew.farrer1 - 2012-01-25 08:17

    there's no place in a democracy for these traditional "leaders"! time to dump these free loaders. If they are leaders, let their subjects support them, not our tax money.

  • Bibi - 2012-01-25 08:23

    At least the Queen of England works and is entitled to a bit of her exhorbidant salary. But what the hell does this guy do. We support an extremely lavish Western lifestyle, if he is a traditional king he should live in a kraal with his wives, kids and cattle and leave the taxpayers money alone.

      Blip - 2012-01-25 22:32

      The British monarch once OWNED every square metre of their kingdom. So, when they handed over their realm to the people, to be bought, sold, divided up and shared, the value of all that land easily offsets the millions they receive on the Civil List from their loyal subjects. The British monarchy -- and its pageantry, its palaces, estates and castles -- attracts billions in foreign tourist revenue too. The Zulu "monarchy" attracts not even one single Rand. The British monarchy draws money only from British subjects, and not one penny from any foreign non-subjects living outside the royal realm. The authentic British monarchy actually HAS a clearly-defined royal realm, whereas the Zulu pseudo-monarchy only has a fuzzy, vague idea of where it begins and ends.

  • Graham.Jason.Duncombe - 2012-01-25 08:44

    If South Africans are allowed to celebrate the battle of Isandlwana, why are South Africans no longer celebrating the battle of Blood River? Just a thought...

      flippie.vanschalkwyk - 2012-01-25 11:55

      So wat vuur jy dan die 16 Desember Graham? Of maak jou baas jou oor die vakansie dag werk? Meeste mense weet nie wat die vakansie dae ooit beteken nie, hulle maar net te bly daar is. Dis die Dag van Versoening.

      Daemon - 2012-01-25 14:43

      Because the Zulu whipped the Poms with spears and Knob Kerries, against guns and cannons. Those Zulus were brave!! and they won, causing the collapse of a government in the UK. Later on they killed the last of the Napoleons ...whilst he was trying to get leg over at a kraal. Classic.

      Ken - 2012-01-25 20:44

      A lot of us celebrate the 16th of December the way it is supposed to be . Call it what you may but it is The Day Of The Covenant or The Day Of The Vow.

      Blip - 2012-01-25 22:36

      The Zulus won only one battle but they lost the Anglo-Zulu War of 1879. Their "king" -- or chief, really -- was captured and taken prisoner and replaced by a man who, as a mere figurehead, would meekly obey British orders. That's not a "victory", just as what Goodwill is really not a real "king".

  • Jaun - 2012-01-25 09:58

    Lol, WTH does the white man know about culture? You people were so bored with your own little communities that you’s decided to hop onto ships, invade our lands, rape our continents and steal our wealth along with our cultures and ideas. Yes, I said continents. Cause that what we had before you MF’s chose to colonize the world and split our people apart. When will you people understand that your past mistakes have caused the world so much of grief and suffering. When will you understand that we now “allow” you’s into our land… It is by no means your right! True wealth is determined by self respect, generosity and most importantly CULTURE. Catch a wake up ;)

      flippie.vanschalkwyk - 2012-01-25 11:24

      Since when were Black people "allowed" to be racist? Did I miss the memo? CULTURE is just "A set of shared attitudes, values, goals, and practices that characterizes an institution, organization, or group". "Ku Klux Klan", "Nazi", "Cannibalism" and Polygamy. These are just a few groups of people who consider it their CULTURE, but it still doesn't make it right. And also remember, I respect all who proofs to be respected, not because they do nothing and expect the world owes them. Wondered in what state South Africa would be now, if "your" ancestors did not let them onto "your" land? Would they have discovered what the rest of the world already know? Mugabe would most probably be running Zim and SA. Hahaha

  • ReapWhatUsow - 2012-01-25 12:25

    jst another "prick" who says what he likes & thinks it's a-ok!!!!!!!!!!

  • Daemon - 2012-01-25 14:36

    Hear Hear!!.. If it was the good old days, King Shaka would have punished these people with their insolence, and had them impaled, or maybe another death they would not quite enjoy.

      Blip - 2012-01-25 22:38

      Shaka couldn't even control his own tribesmen and so they murdered him.

  • Ken - 2012-01-25 20:47

    @ Daemon. You are a prime example of the 30% pass requirement. You do not have the faintest clue as to what you are commenting on. You idiot.

  • daryn.wickham - 2012-01-25 23:12

    Oh yay another bright african leader who is narrow minded and tramples on civil rights and practices hate speech. Yay now Mal-Emma has another friend. Viva democracy Viva No Equal Rights and Viva Dum dums in parliment who only line their own pockets. 18 Years of Democracy Yay - Same arguments all the time. SA laughing stock.

  • guy.goes1 - 2012-06-05 15:10

    i accept king zwelithini as the king of the zulu nation, i accept that everone can have their opinion regarding gay people. However the laws of the land have clearly spelled out the country's position regarding this issue, it is up to us to respect the law.

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