Heated cross examination in Jub Jub case

2011-06-21 12:41

Johannesburg - Molema "Jub Jub" Maarohanye's lawyer on Tuesday accused a police officer of "lying" and "playing games" during the musician's murder trial in the Protea Magistrate's Court.

Ike Motloung was cross examining an officer from the crime intelligence cyber unit. Magistrate Brian Nemabidi ordered that the man not be named for "security reasons".

The sergeant was responsible for copying a downloaded version of a cellphone recording onto a DVD, showing Maarohanye and his co-accused Temba Tshabalala allegedly drag racing.

The DVD footage was again played to the court on Tuesday.

Motloung charged the policeman was "lying" about where the request to put the recording on DVD came from.

"I'm asking you a simple question, why did you originally say that the request [to put the recording on DVD] came from the IO (investigating officer)? You're lying, aren't you?

‘Playing games’

"You are trying to play games with me. You think you can hide easily." He also dissected the process the officer used to put the recording onto the DVD.

During a short adjournment, family members of the victims began yelling at Motloung.

"This is not a joke," one of them shouted.

"For the sake of what happened, please calm down," a court official said. The footage belongs to an 18-year-old witness testifying against the two men.

Ntokozo Mahlangu previously said she refused to give the defence her cellphone's memory card, as it had private data on it.

Motloung said at the last court appearance he wanted his own expert to analyse the cellphone and memory card.

State prosecutor Raymond Mathenjwa objected to Motloung's application and asked the magistrate to wait until the police technical support unit (TSU) testified.

He said it was "not safe" to release the cellphone, which was already evidence in the case, until the TSU had testified.

The credibility of the recording had also been questioned a number of times.

Maarohanye and Tshabalala face charges of murder, attempted murder and driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

They were allegedly drag-racing when one of their Mini Coopers ploughed into a group of schoolchildren in Mdlalose Street, in Protea North, on March 8 last year.

Four children were killed and two others suffered severe injuries, including brain damage.

  • Jan - 2011-06-21 12:50

    I can only pray that these thugs land in jail for a very very long time. It will not bring back the dead or heal the crippled but at least justice will be done. I do not know how on earth their so-called lawyer sleeps at night - We all know they are guilty - let them pay.

      Boss VR - 2011-06-21 13:14

      They drove the cars - they were tested for drugs and the results were positive. They were found and identified on the scene as the drivers - Kids lost their lives. But now they are prolonging it in the hope that the dockets will disappear or they are busy trying to buy the case. But i promise you if it was someone famouses child they would be serving their sentence already. I mean look at the guy who spilled his drink on JZ he almost went to prison for that and these idiots who murdered are still walking free, they think they will get off free like Mandoza... Lets just pray they gets life sentences for what they did. I mean they know they did it why not just man up and take what they deserve...

      Travie - 2011-06-21 13:51

      hows about another quater chicken from Nando's?

      Toohotdurban - 2011-06-21 15:21

      ...justice can be bought why do you think they are taking soooooo long on the case which was clear, cut & dry. friends in hiiiiigh places i guess. the justice system in this country is so fu@#$d up

  • SiphoNdlandla - 2011-06-21 12:53

    Eibo why can't they just put him in jail for once and for always. He is guilty. They are wasting to mush money on this case now. It is just because he is the artist they slugging this case, and i think the tax payer pays for the case also.

      Rover_ZA - 2011-06-21 12:59

      @SiphoNdlandla As much as I agree with you, due process must be followed, otherwise justice is but an illusion.

      Thor - 2011-06-21 13:15

      I see you are an ANC supporter what has happened to your favorite line “innocent until proven guilty” or does that only apply to corrupt ANC leaders.

      thobsion.ANC - 2011-06-21 13:25

      These boyz should have been jailed by now, I don't know who is still waiting for a bribe to let these boyz walk free.

      Phalane - 2011-06-21 13:35

      Inxeba lendoda kalihlekwa! It will be you one day my broer. Our Constitution say one is innocent until proven guilty. Yehlisa amaphaphu!

      K_za - 2011-06-21 13:44

      It's your ANCYL leader Malema's buddy. Why not ask him?

      Ou Van - 2011-06-21 14:45

      Sipho is a troll. Whitie posing as a darkie. Just read his other comments.

  • betha - 2011-06-21 12:55

    ive got two bullets that will sort this case out

      Jan - 2011-06-21 12:58

      Can I sponsor your bullets !!!

      thobsion.ANC - 2011-06-21 13:26

      you out of line kwedini.

      Toohotdurban - 2011-06-21 15:18

      ....somebody once told me if the bullets are finished then throw the gun at them

  • willieman - 2011-06-21 12:56

    Please execute this thugs and jail minister of justice

      reinier.van.den.bergh - 2011-06-21 13:41

      the minister and this puncks are BIG buddies

  • MissRed - 2011-06-21 13:00

    This has been dragging on to long now everyone knows they are guilty!!!! How much more evidence do they need!!!!! Now the are grabbing at straws hoping the evidence will be thrown out of court so that they won’t be convicted... I hope THEY ROT IN JAIL (if they ever get there) for killing innocent children.

  • DeonL - 2011-06-21 13:01

    Not very good defence saying: "you are playing games or lying"

  • Daveza - 2011-06-21 13:02

    So this lawyer is suggesting someone fabricated a 2 minute video of two vehicles racing down the road ? Let's keep it real.

      Xclusiv - 2011-06-21 14:07

      its about two seconds long broer!

  • Mubashir - 2011-06-21 13:06

    i got a bullet which sort this case

  • Sisie - 2011-06-21 13:08

    Because the longer they pi** about, the chances of them getting off are greater. It matters not that there is video/eye witness accounts or anything like that. if they can argue the little details, they hope that they will get off scott free and it will probably happen.

  • Tinkie - 2011-06-21 13:11

    It appears that as far as this Motloung idiot is concerned, EVERYONE has a vendeta or hidden agenda against his client/s.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-06-21 13:12

    These criminals must be imprisoned...Papa kan nie langer wag nie !!!

      MissRed - 2011-06-21 13:21

      Only then( when pappa gets them) will Justice prevail......LOL

      myoomsemotor - 2011-06-21 14:14

      dont play with the dead.......

      WC Republic - 2011-06-21 14:38

      Hmmm papa is licking his lips

  • nduk'zempi - 2011-06-21 13:25

    frknc dogs,if i saw them,God have mercy.

  • Melck - 2011-06-21 13:26

    They will go free, THIS IS OUR JUSTICE SYSTEM IN FULL FORCE AND OPERATION. What a joke !!!!

  • HJS - 2011-06-21 13:26

    How do we tolerate bulls*&t like this. They drove the cars, the kids were killed, both plain clear simple facts. All this technical/legal wrangling is simply a ploy to try and literally let them get away with murder. It does not even matter whether they tested positive for any drugs or under the influence or not. It is a known fact that a lawyer's duty is to "fight for his client", but is there not perhaps a moral limit to what extend a laywer will go? If one of the dead were one of his family members I am sure he would not have been nearly as "vigorous" in his pursuit of technicalities. Scum bags the whole lot.

  • Lorax - 2011-06-21 13:27

    No sympathy for this idiot. He should go to jail, so he can bend over and take his punishment like a man. Repeatedly. For the next 30 years.

  • Bok Fan - 2011-06-21 13:34

    If I remember correctly there was a boer prosecutor in charge of this case. Where is he now. Oh yes I remember Juju's friend Menzi Simelane transferred him because he charged these criminals with MURDER. These two are yob league style killers and they drive the way Malema does politics

  • Bok Fan - 2011-06-21 13:37

    I truly hope the masses never forget that Malema visited this murderer in jail to share a bucket of KFC and provide a change of designer clothes. The friend of a criminal is a criminal. Finish and Klaar

      sabito.shoti - 2011-06-21 13:54

      I wonder if amabhunu will ever try not to associates different things...Malemaphobia is shivering you.

      Lab-Rat - 2011-06-21 13:58

      It was Nando's.

      Nicholas - 2011-06-21 15:10

      Jub jub and his monkey partner will get off clean purely due to the lack of competence in our justice system. but u know what they say, u can take the anc-supporter out the bush but u cant take the bush out of them

  • coconuts - 2011-06-21 13:38

    Perhaps JubJub's money will run out and then the lawyer will have anothe tune to sing as he does not get paid

      reinier.van.den.bergh - 2011-06-21 13:42

      He will get money from Malema and company

  • reinier.van.den.bergh - 2011-06-21 13:41

    Its nice to be Malemas buddy. You can do what you want.

  • K_za - 2011-06-21 13:43

    Malema's buddy---say no more.

  • Zama.mncwabe - 2011-06-21 13:50

    Malema is a very good friend of Jub Jub what do you expect anc members?

  • sabito.shoti - 2011-06-21 13:57

    this case is wasting tax payer's moneny. what more evidence is needed to sentence jub jub and shabalala?

  • Just - 2011-06-21 14:04

    throw this guys in a cell, then throw away the keys

  • Spinnie - 2011-06-21 14:05

    They are fishing for a technicality. If I was the parents of these children I would be full with rage because of how long this is taking. He is guilty.... finish and klaar. Well when Julius come and visit you in prison you are semi untouchable. I feel for these parents.

  • Jeanette Abdeaux - 2011-06-21 14:08

    DVD recordings, cell phones, whatever is not the crux of the matter here. The fact that these drug thugs pose a risk to all. That was clearly shown when they killed and maimed these youngsters. They should be jailed for a very long time. Period.

  • matubeng - 2011-06-21 14:09

    @Rover_ZA, Due Process must be followed, Did they follow due process when they took drugs and drag race? Don't sound like Jimmy Manyi, an embarrasing Cabinet Spokesperson.

  • York Hunt - 2011-06-21 14:12

    A day after Jub-Jub was arrested who came to visit him in jail? Mr. Mad Bucket! (Afrikaans readers will know who I mean). What does that tell us? Well Jub-Jub has friends in high places so to speak. Will justice be served? I fear not, readers...

  • Bookworm - 2011-06-21 14:15

    Bring back the death penalty! I challenge anyone to give me one good reason why we should keep paying for these oxygen thieves in our country?

  • Bok Fan - 2011-06-21 14:33

    Hola Sabito I dont like your friends or your comments but I am loving this site.

  • tut - 2011-06-21 14:41

    I wonder how Jub Jub can deny the carnage, hurt and pain he has caused to the families of the victims? If he had any remorse or conscience he should plead guilty and allow those families to pick up the pieces and try move on from their grief and suffering. Unless he hasn't a conscience then that's an entirely different story then....

  • I Are Bender - 2011-06-21 14:45

    The drank and did drugs, Then they raced each other down the street and killed innocent children. They are guilty. Sentence them for maximum jail time. See case solved and closed now pay me my fee of R15000 and lock them up. Enough of this angoing court case robbing us of taxpayers money.

  • Jay - 2011-06-21 14:53

    Does it really matter if they were drag racing or not, surely if they had knocked those kids over, its case closed. Children died as a result of his car hitting into them, as a father myself, that's pretty much all I would need. Tell you what, he's lucky he's alive to actually go to court, if they were my kids, he wouldnt have lived long enough to go to jail, never mind a court room.

      Razor - 2011-06-21 15:08

      so if i knock your child genuinely accidently you'll have me dealt with?

  • Razorwire - 2011-06-21 15:15

    Had i been the father of any one of the victims, i would be looking for a gun to shoot the two bastards and preparing myself to stay in prison for double murder.

  • omrisho - 2011-06-21 16:00

    i reckon jub jub would actually be better off in jail although he probably doesn't think so right now... they can drag this out until forever, but believe me if true justice is not served, then street justice will take care of it, dunno how far jub jub can run or where he will hide, but looking over his shoulder for the rest of his life will be a reality, whether in jail or not

  • biskit - 2011-06-21 16:14

    SA Law Reminds me of a monopoly Board Game...if you got the 50 bucks or the get out of Jail free card you'll only have to skip a turn

  • Liberated - 2011-06-21 16:58

    Is this guy not yet in jail, thot he was already serving his life sentence or is it four life sentences

  • Kristi10 - 2011-06-21 17:13

    Children died ... that is not a joke.

  • Billy - 2011-06-21 17:29

    I'm sure if it was a normal suburban citizen he would be pushing weights in a lock-up for 12 months all-ready. Someone please stop this!

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