Heated stand-off between cops, Motlanthe backers

2012-12-17 19:53

Mangaung - A heated stand-off took place in Mangaung on Monday afternoon between police and about 150 pro-change ANC members from the Free State and the Western Cape, after police told the group that they did not have permission to gather.

The group had gathered near the University of the Free State, where the ANC's elective conference is being held, to chant and sing their support for Kgalema Motlanthe.

"We are not allowed near campus to give our support to our delegates but the Zuma guys are being escorted," one ANC member said, referring to a convoy of cars driven by President Jacob Zuma supporters that had been seen driving through Bloemfontein on Monday afternoon.

The mood among the pro-change members was disappointed and angry after the morning’s ANC nomination process, during which Zuma emerged as the clear favourite to retain his position as ANC president.

"They [Zuma and Mantashe] don't care if they rape the constitution. They think and hope they might rig the national elections in the same way they rigged the ANC conference," said Mpho Mojanaga, a delegate from the Free State.

While the group insisted they remained loyal to the party, they said this loyalty did not extend to Zuma.

"Zuma is on his own for the 2014 election. We will not campaign for him," said Ronnie Thabane, a Free State ANC member.

The stand-off was apparently sparked when a pro-Zuma delegate from KwaZulu-Natal approached the group with a firearm and threatened to shoot, in the presence of police who did not intervene.


  • ianon.ym - 2012-12-17 19:57

    Thugs from the bottom-up.

      louwhan.hoffmann - 2012-12-17 20:04

      are you talking about thre round bottoms of the SAPS on the pic?

      winston.jan - 2012-12-17 20:07

      Agree with you, the real thugs in SA.

      lownabester - 2012-12-17 20:10

      Motlanhe is like a gambler, Go big or go home. all his chips on the table.

      ancbasher - 2012-12-17 20:28

      Kgalema, please leave the ANC. The DA can do with people with principle that can take a stand against Zoomer!

      chaapo.sithole - 2012-12-17 20:44

      Not surprising. This is the only way they know how to "conference" and discuss issues. It starts with the mother body then devolves down to the communities characterized by the sheer anarchy disguised by the euphemisms service protests, protests over pay etc.

      themba.maseko.568 - 2012-12-17 20:59

      These Kgalema support are simply sour grapes, and do realise have lost. They must support the ANC and not Zuma or Kgalema in 2014. But I hope it is not true that some guy came with a gun and police did not intervene!!!

      dee.bone.39 - 2012-12-17 22:17

      @themba. They must support our COUNTRY u silly person and not the ANC or kgalema or that moron idiot zuma. Then you can call yourself a true south african. At the moment you are not

      dee.bone.39 - 2012-12-17 22:17

      @themba. They must support our COUNTRY u silly person and not the ANC or kgalema or that moron idiot zuma. Then you can call yourself a true south african. At the moment you are not

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-12-17 22:26

      This is really worrying as the police are not allowed to support any political party in the execution of their duties. I do hope this was filmed so that SAPS can be taken on about their actions.

  • douglas.reid.921 - 2012-12-17 19:59

    Beautiful african democracy

      rupesh.hari.7 - 2012-12-17 21:02

      Yes, Lindiwe Mazubuko is also part of that beautiful African democracy. Remember that before you get condescending about my continent. When she wins, it would be part of that beautiful African democracy.

      bobby.rosewood.1 - 2012-12-17 22:47

      If Lindiwe gets into power, it would be the dawn of a new era. I as a pale male would support her all the way to the Union Buildings, as she has what it takes to get the country back on track.

      rob.bancroft.94 - 2012-12-17 23:06

      In your dreams, Rupie. And when will that happen, when Jesus comes back? As dougie says, this is "democracy" in Africa and that change will never be allowed.

  • vince.vanrooyen.1 - 2012-12-17 20:01

    Hahahahahaha.....and the winner is the DA!!! hahahahhaah

  • shimeAschendorf - 2012-12-17 20:01

    Mafias, Zuma's re-election a blessing to the DA

      themba.maseko.568 - 2012-12-17 22:47

      Its good to hear DA hoping for nothing!

  • sharon.erwin.96 - 2012-12-17 20:01

    "The stand-off was apparently sparked when a pro-Zuma delegate from KwaZulu-Natal approached the group with a firearm and threatened to shoot, in the presence of police who did not intervene." Ja, neh -a guy pulls out a gun and waves it around and the police do nothing? If it was one of Kgalema's supporters there would have been fierce reaction from those same policemen!!

      piet.snot.77964 - 2012-12-17 20:18

      I am sure that the next time someone is charged for waving a firearm aroung he/she will qoute this incident - everyone must be treated equally in the application fo the law.

      Tuyez - 2012-12-17 20:53

      Did you see that or thats just allegations.

      Philip - 2012-12-17 22:19

      Banana anyone?

  • Charles Frederik Robberts - 2012-12-17 20:02

    Typical goons!

  • danie.malan - 2012-12-17 20:07

    The police will obviously be pro-Zuma and his followers... so much for an independent SAPS!

  • salee.sithwell - 2012-12-17 20:16

    The mood was disappointed and angry? Shame. Poor mood!

  • asdhasgd - 2012-12-17 20:18

    "Zuma is on his own for the 2014 election. We will not campaign for him," said Ronnie Thabane, a Free State ANC member. HA! They'll still vote for zuma xD what tossers.

      mosesdamosh.kgotlagomang - 2012-12-17 20:30

      Why can't this hooligans form their own party..they should not forget that we all joined the ANC voluntarily.They are ill disciplined and should be expelled from the movement!South Africa will not be turned into yet another failed African democratic state!

      krish.reddy.104 - 2012-12-17 21:09

      Who needs you , sour grapes.

      marius.fourie.526 - 2012-12-17 22:14

      Moses the failure you are trying to avoid already occured my friend.

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-12-17 22:35

      @moses you should wake up and smell the stink of the ANC-flowers! What do you mean "will not be turned into yet another failed African democratic state"? Democratic = you can do what you like. They may have joined voluntarily, but they may also resign voluntarily. They are not fighting the ANC, they are fighting the wrongs of the ANC by replacing the leaders that are leading the whole tribe over the cliff to a sure political death.

  • mlimiliba.siqendu - 2012-12-17 20:26

    They came all the way from the Cape to oppose the ANC. But let's not forget that the Cape voters at most are for the opposition. Just wondering if it's not a masquerade. And if you can ask the opposition parties what their policy is I can't be surprised if they can all say 'The African National Congress'. They really have nothing to offer. For them it's ANC this and ANC that.

      jannie.beirowski - 2012-12-17 22:45

      Mlimiliba. None are as blind as those that do not want to see. Step outside your body and have a good truthful look at what they have to offer and what the leaders of the ANC have promised, but not given. As a party the ANC may have been good, but the leaders of the present that represent the party have really been very successful in giving nothing to the nation. Nothing but a very bad name to another failed african democratic state.

  • - 2012-12-17 20:27

    If nothing is done promptly... Marikana is going to look like a kindergarten party. ANC on ANC violence is going to be at a high and that inevitable tear imminent... What was it the little boy said to his father in a Toyota advert a couple of years ago? "I was just smiling dad...!"

      eric.pookgwadi - 2012-12-17 20:50

      He will soon ask for his machine gun n clearly its what he is good of

      krish.reddy.104 - 2012-12-17 21:14

      This is a brilliant and proffesionally organised conference. We all can judge for ourselves. Congratulations ANC. Did you see Malema tried to disrupt the conference. Now he is begging for recognition.

  • - 2012-12-17 20:27

    Zuma or Motlanthe, who cares? Stop corruption

  • morrisn2 - 2012-12-17 20:28

    Haha shame on DA hopefuls! Would it be 4 the 1st time DA comes against ANC under JZ`s leadership? Should i remind them bout 2009, despite wht happened in Polokwane ANC emerged victorious! They`ll kick this right-wingers ass!

      terrylee.heuer - 2012-12-17 20:36

      Please read the headline again there's no mention of DA!!!!

      Daniel Nunes - 2012-12-17 20:39

      What retard? If the DA gets under your skin so bad its cause you know theyre right. Its funny that you TRY to act so smart on here but really you look like an idiot hence the support for cANCer i suppose:) have a good day little boy.

      Kimson Komodo Chan - 2012-12-17 22:21

      This has nothing to do with DA what a comment from a retard!

  • trevor.pietersen.3 - 2012-12-17 20:29

    HEATED stand off...because those "ATM's" (African Trade Marks) are to FAT to sit on....

  • morrisn2 - 2012-12-17 20:33

    At ANC when it comes 2 national elections we dont support individuals but the organisation! So its good 2 dream DA fellas!

      vince.vanrooyen.1 - 2012-12-17 20:39

      Like they dreamt in Potch!!!

      Daniel Nunes - 2012-12-17 20:43

      Why so addicted to DA coconut? your comments are proof that the ANC is a complete failure retard.

      karl.vanrooyen - 2012-12-17 20:50

      Blind faith leads u into darkness

  • Adeeb Saban - 2012-12-17 20:39

    Animal Farm

      joburgdon - 2012-12-17 20:54

      I'd be surprised if many people understand your comment. Everyone is equal, just some are more equal than others.

      J.Stephen.Whiteley - 2012-12-18 06:38

      A satire by George Orwell on governments gaining power by revolution. The farm animals took possession of the farm and expelled the farmer. The pigs began to walk on two legs, and coined the slogan, "Four legs good, two legs better!"

  • tj.maseko3 - 2012-12-17 20:40

    If u are not invited in an faction mabro it' clear that u not belong, just stay away

      grant.hide - 2012-12-18 00:11

      Sound like its totally anti-democratic. We as a whole, everyone in SA is a South African citizen. If you wanna put your head in the sand while some people are above the law then I wont feel sad for you when u get reared by your own kind.

  • mshiniboys - 2012-12-17 20:40

    Arewe heading for another ice age?

  • Daniel Nunes - 2012-12-17 20:42

    Viva S.A Viva, at least its done the African way neh. lekker...go ANC woop woop the future looks bright:)

  • karl.vanrooyen - 2012-12-17 20:45

    Ha ha ha. Safrican politics .ask madiba for some leftover bullets n bombs ?

  • amanda.matthews.14811 - 2012-12-17 20:54

    Hulle gaan selfs moer. Dont you just love it.

  • bob.jaan.9 - 2012-12-17 20:56

    how come we have the results of the election, but norhing in the media???

  • Mbavhalelo - 2012-12-17 20:56

    Ja neh, a bunch holigans are deciding the future of south africa, God forbids.

      Sibusiso - 2012-12-17 21:21

      The whole country decides its own future during the general election.This is an ANC conference .If they come up with stupid resolutions and leaders ,then we should not vote for them in 2014.

  • mshiniboys - 2012-12-17 20:57

    Are we going to hear something 'wielding pangas' and shoot them?

  • andre.ackermann.14 - 2012-12-17 21:00

    Motlanthe or Zuma or Comrade X? What's the is only the looks that differ! The head will still be rotting and so with it, those who vote for them.

  • amanda.matthews.14811 - 2012-12-17 21:04

    As an ex kwa Zulu girl I can see this stand off as clear as day light. The Xosas and the Zulus hate each other with a passion. This is tribalism first and foresmost. The one determined to get the upperhand over the other.

      krish.reddy.104 - 2012-12-17 21:20

      Not worse then Afrikaaner vs English or Smuts vs Kruger.

  • phuti.hlabane - 2012-12-17 21:10

    Let them kill each other in the name of democracy,who cares?

  • tony.ezendam - 2012-12-17 21:14

    Excuse my ignorance, but if Zuma looses, is he out in the political winderness? Out cold? He has not been nominated for any other position. Gets a lifetime pension from us taxpayers to keep Nkandla in bling. Right?

  • Psy4genic.Mgcwaba - 2012-12-17 21:17

    I'm afraid the blind loyalty to personalities by many ANC leaders might lead the country to the dumps just because of it's political monopoly...

  • Psy4genic.Mgcwaba - 2012-12-17 21:17

    I'm afraid the blind loyalty to personalities by many ANC leaders might lead the country to the dumps just because of it's political monopoly...

  • phoenix.blunt - 2012-12-17 21:18

    African "democracy" at its best......leave them to kill each other ; after all , its the "African" way.

  • amanda.matthews.14811 - 2012-12-17 21:29

    Just a simple question. Can we not legally cessate the whole of the Cape to break away from the ANC led Government and run our own show?? We could hold our own elections to determine our future in the Cape Provinces with alternatives to the dominant ANC led party?? This might sound pie in the sky but if this could bring normality to South African Politics then why not?

  • amanda.matthews.14811 - 2012-12-17 21:48

    @ krish Different times call for different solutions. Time to get your head around it. The time is 2012.

  • giffini - 2012-12-17 21:56

    I think da best way to clean this mess of electing in ANC is to let the people votes for whom they want to be next president.

  • lawrence.meyer.14 - 2012-12-17 21:58

    Sounds like Mugabes regime...

  • michael.jackwood - 2012-12-17 22:02

    I have decided not to comment a lot on this site due to lack of political understanding by many and everyday insults thrown at the anc and president jacob zuma, i think after this conference all racists would have leant one or two things about anc politics.

      Millos Mpofu - 2012-12-17 22:06

      yes or ja

      patrick.saunders123 - 2012-12-17 22:38

      judging by your vacuous post, you lack political understanding as well.

      immanuell.mathekga - 2012-12-17 23:23

      U ignorant, underlearned, money driven, half-brained individual. None against JZ or ANC. Pure intellectuals r missing in da ANC. There s no fair competition within da ANC. I even wonder y der shud me contests.

  • amanda.matthews.14811 - 2012-12-17 22:11

    @ michael.jackwood So what is your intellectual understanding of South African politics? Please explain. We await your input with bated breath.

  • sexyfancyface - 2012-12-17 22:40

    Who is the National Police COmmissioner? Whats her name and what happened to her?

  • Lebohang Petrus Majong - 2012-12-17 22:53

    i think dis thing of de police not intervening where delegates from kzn made/pose a thread of shooting dose delegates(disgrunted 1) of de free state is similar 2 de 1 of ifp nd nfp where 1 person ended up dead, de police must take such matters seriously(into consideration) cause people might end up losing their lives nd really we don't want 2 c people losing their lives just because of differences/disagreements!! #please SAPS do watch dis#

  • alican.francem - 2012-12-17 22:59

    You wouldn't have expected anything else it is kzn, there are no leaders that side only spears.

      mdawini.vodloza - 2012-12-18 10:09

      go to hell you racist idiot

  • Gerald Jordaan - 2012-12-18 05:11

    Police state in the making ? Or are we already there ? F*ck Zuma et al his corrupt lying cheating bastard cronies !!

  • walter.theo.3 - 2012-12-18 06:15

    So there's M 23 in Mangaung? Zuma has brought nothing but threats of civil war into this country. If people could be so hateful to their comrades what about more about their rivals? Say ANC loses two more provinces in 2014 or worse the national vote, will they accept the results? But we were warned, so cry the beloved couuntry!

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