'Hit squad' cops to apply for bail

2012-06-22 07:53

Johannesburg - Eighteen members of the disbanded Durban Organised Crime Unit are expected to appear in the Durban Regional Court on Friday to apply for bail.

Twenty officers were arrested in connection with alleged hit squad activities in the Durban Organised Crime Unit based at Cato Manor. Charges against two officers were withdrawn on Thursday.

The two were part of the National Intervention Unit and not the Durban Organised Crime Unit, but were among the 20 people arrested on Wednesday in a joint operation involving the Hawks.

The 18 policemen face 14 charges of murder, 14 of unlawful possession of ammunition, 14 of unlawful possession of firearms, and four of housebreaking.

Also on the provisional indictment are 14 counts of defeating the ends of justice, and 14 of unlawful possession of weapons and ammunition.

  • marion.friedenthal - 2012-06-22 08:03

    If you want to have witnesses who will be able to testify do not grant them bail.

      gregory.wellsclifton - 2012-06-22 08:50

      Not the sharpest tool in the shed are you Marion? These guys have known about the arrests for many months, yet have not intimidated even ONE 'witness'. They have quietly gotten on with the business at hand. Would you, faced with a situation like the many they have been there for in Durban, not wish to have them stand up for you?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-06-22 08:57

      marion, judge by media?

      ferreira.charmaine - 2012-06-22 09:43

      Marion, these officers were were involved in finding many missing children in the KZN area. If it was not for these dedicated officers these children would have never been found and reunited with their families. I fully stand behind Durban Organised Crime Unit officers as they did their jobs thoroughly and followed up on leads and caught those responsible!

  • somikazi.pita - 2012-06-22 08:29

    Are these the guys who were targeting and killing DANGEROUS CRIMINALS?

      jack.milosevic - 2012-06-22 08:39

      Exactly, apparently the criminals are protesting and have organized a march with ANCYL some time next week. They say the brutality enforced on them is to severe.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-06-22 08:57

      They were only killed because they shot at the cops. They didn't go out to kill people... That is a misconception..

      somikazi.pita - 2012-06-22 10:07

      @PointBlank, I know that. That's why I don't understand why they are being prosecuted.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-06-22 10:11

      @somikazi, here read this for what really is going on:

      denis.gomo - 2012-06-22 10:13

      @ Somikazi...Yes they are. Also so called Cato Manor cops. They are just what the doctor ordered for mzansi..had their eyes on the ball...their therapy was the kind of therapy SA needs to deal with hijackers, CIT heisters, armed robbers and murderers. They are my heroes. If ever they are convicted, I will visit them in prison and bring them flowers. True crime busters.

  • steveroodt - 2012-06-22 08:29

    A couple of bad apples does not make the whole barrel rotten.Most of these police men have done sterling work in Durban and deserve better treatment that they are receiving. All i can say to their family's who have been left alone at night in our crime infested city your loved ones will be home tonight.

      somikazi.pita - 2012-06-22 08:34

      The State will make it their priority to prosecute these men and yet they keep on letting dangerous criminals roam around the streets...

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 09:11

      The Police are not above the law. If charges were laid against them, surely they must be arrested and answer them? If they were wrongfully arrested, they can sue as well. C

  • watsongeorgejan - 2012-06-22 08:41

    Trust the media's sensationalism, they're now \hit squad cops\ and we know there's more to this case than meets the eye. Let' hope your not left with an egg in the face when they're exonerated.

  • shakes.tshabala - 2012-06-22 08:42

    Let the bastards rot in jail. We are GATVOL of public servants, ministers and politicians that are corrupt. These public figures should be tought a lesson forever. They spread the same among us as honest citizens

      jack.milosevic - 2012-06-22 08:44

      What's wrong, did they arrest half your family for armed robbery?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-06-22 08:58

      Shame shakes, you so ignorant, read this so you can open your eyes:

      shakes.tshabala - 2012-06-22 09:54

      Guys, I think you read me wrong or I expressed myself wrong. I refered to Public servants, Ministers and politicians that are corrupt and THEY MUST ROT IN JAIL, AND NOT OUR COPS THAT ARE TRYING TO GET THE BASTARDS BEHIND BARS.

  • jones.mkandawire - 2012-06-22 08:44

    No place for hit squads in modern society. Put them inside where all murders belong. Booysen too

      jack.milosevic - 2012-06-22 08:48

      @Jones: Totally agree with you, it just not fair on our criminals. They deserve to be treated like any other citizen.

      steveroodt - 2012-06-22 08:50

      Until you have been locked in you boot for 12 hours your wife and kids raped then burnt in the veld. WHO U GONNA CALL the ghost busters.Me thinks your going to be the one calling for brutal force against your attackers

      richard.hipkin - 2012-06-22 08:59

      jones, you have internet, use it to open your eyes:

      leanne.rodney.3 - 2012-06-22 09:21

      Shame jones, have a bit of a vendetta going there!!!!! @DurbanSquatter -totally agree with you!

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-22 09:45

      Modern society? Where?

      jakes.jacobs.313 - 2012-06-22 09:55

      You dont know Booysens, so dont comment. He is a man of high integrity and a super cop. Obviously a successful anti crime unit makes you jittery.

  • Ian - 2012-06-22 08:47

    let me guess these guys were knocking off criminals and they get prosecuted while criminals walk free and attack innocent people, should have done a dexter, no bodies no trial

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 09:00

      Let me guess, you cannot wait for the facts to come to light before shooting your mouth off?

      richard.hipkin - 2012-06-22 09:01

      They were not knocking off criminals, they were hunting them down and in the process were being shot at, attacked and ambushed - the criminals that were killed in all of this were killed in self defence. Many of us have worked with this unit in various situations and they are one of the best units in the word. Finding some of the most violent scum in this country often requires one to do things that may be frowned upon, but they have never done anything like murder people...

      Ian - 2012-06-22 09:02

      let me guess you are just another ancyl retard, fffng idiot

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 09:07

      No idiot, wrong again. Now will you shut up until you know what you are talking about? \r\nPointblankza, thanks for the headsup. I hope they clear their names if they were merely serving and protecting

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 09:36

      You first brainless bimbo. Are you a sangoma by any chance? If not, did you put your thumb inside your backside and sucked the information relating to my political membership out of it? You are good ... Lol

      Ian - 2012-06-22 09:44

      listen idiot, i dont care if the cops were on duty at the time or wether they went out and knocked the scumbag criminals off, I'm just pleased we have a few less pieces of trash on the streets to worry about, we need more cops like that not this ancyl loving trash like you, now pls f off

      Ian - 2012-06-22 10:26

      so if you agree with me, then what the problem, I say lets do a dexter , cut up every single criminal and drop them in barrels of acid, dont want to pollute the ocean with criminal filth

  • Zanele - 2012-06-22 08:52

    Yes they are a hit squad, as much as they were doing a good job with the criminals, they have killed innocent ppl, unarmed. i mean what happened to surrendering. they actually thought they were running KNZ. they are Mafia like themselves. I say let them rot in jail. And why were they only targetting black people only anyway?

      jack.milosevic - 2012-06-22 09:00

      @Zanele...."And why were they only targetting black people only anyway?" Zanele, when was the last time you heard of a white south African murdering another? Statistics speak for themselves, if 90% of all crimes are committed by blacks, then by pure logic 90% of the time black people will be "targetted". Be perfectly honest now...if step on to a flight and see a Muslim sitting next to you, what is the first thing that crosses you mind....yes might he be a terrorist. THAT IS A FACT!!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-06-22 09:02

      What are you talking about?? Oh my God, you are such a troll... Pure ignorant mischievousness.

      bradktm - 2012-06-22 09:04

      So you have all the facts - please share them with us Palooka!!

      Ian - 2012-06-22 09:23

      @ jack in the box, stupid racist troll, dont you know, not all blacks are criminals but all criminals are black, just look in the papers for yourself

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 09:50

      Ian, you can stop using your backside to think. Why not go to any jail and see how the entire rainbow nation is represented there? Blacks are in the majority. \r\n\r\nMoreover, had you engaged your brain instead of you know what, you would have thought about criminals such as those who killed the owner of Teasers, that Krejir guy, the \sword\ killer, the \skielik shooter\, the Eugene de Kock and a number of others. Maybe you see a black only as a colour? \r\n\r\nLong story short, stop thinking through your behind, please ... Lol

      Ian - 2012-06-22 09:52

      eugene is my hero, cant wait for him to get out

      somikazi.pita - 2012-06-22 09:54

      Well I don't think its a matter of targeting Black people...these are criminals who have been terrorising innocent people, Black; White; Indian...

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 10:01

      Jack milosevic, remove your racist blinkers. What colour were the people who murdered Lolly Jackson again?

      somikazi.pita - 2012-06-22 10:02

      @ Jack, really?! When you see a Muslim you see a terrorist?! In SA...really!!!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 10:04

      Ian, sorry dude. Yours is going to be a loooooooooooong wait ... Lol

      duma.nkabinde - 2012-06-22 10:44

      Murder is not justifiable, what is more disgusting is killing people that you suspect to be criminals for a paycheque. SIES

  • nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-22 09:00

    Far more effort and energy should go into establishing what has brought us to this point where the 'untouchable' criminals need to be 'touched' according to their ROE. I'm sorry, but the criminals have set the rules, and when tough cops respond and play according to those rules, then there is an outcry. That's just a little too 'rich' for my liking. The public better make up their mind and decide what they want, because 1st world Justice systems and 'civilised' Law Enforcement simply doesn't work in our SA context, not to mention the state of our SAPS. This should never have to happen in any society, but with the level of violent crime and total disregard for human life? If we're going to beat serious/violent crime then we need to be a little more mature, less naive, and admit some very sinister facts. We've all heard and understood the arguments: where does it lead/end? it's not professional/civilised etc etc. Well if leads to dead criminals and law abiding citizens can live a little easier, then I'll put my name to it. Wake up time!!!!! Decide what you want!!!!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 09:03

      Except the First World's rules do not match those of criminals - police playing by the rules set by criminals thus behaving like criminals themselves

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-22 09:14

      themba - yes, it's not easy to accept, and we shouldn't be in this situation in the first place. It's certainly not my first choice of how 'things should be', but what do you do when serious/violent crime is totally out of hand? I would rather have guys like these around (in our specific SA context) than not have them. It's a very dangerous thing to condone, and I don't think I am condoning it because it certainly shouldn't be the normal way to go about things.........but somewhere somehow we've got to be able to fight back on their terms.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 09:28

      BCPP, we've got to fight back using the law - not the rules set by criminals. That is anarchy. The Police must be able to say \\we were protecting and serving.\\ The thing is, the Police must be able to justify their actions. They will be able to do so ONLY if they act within the bounds set by the law, not within the bounds set by criminals, or they will also be sent to jail.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-22 09:47

      @themba - yes I agree, and once again you quote the 'norm' / 'convention'. The point is we are beyond the 'norm' / the 'conventional', so now what?

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 09:56

      I have just remembered a poem: \If you keep your head up high when all are losing theirs.\\r\n\r\nIf we can combat crime using the existing laws and without reducing ourselves to criminals ...\r\n\r\nThe laws make provision for-Killing in DEFENCE of private property, life and limb. Criminals kill in ATTACK in order to ROB. That is the difference.

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-22 10:06

      @themba. If things were at least close to 'normal', I would be the first to support and agree with you. But you're wrong on another thing - criminals don't just attack when committing a crime or when confronted. Many engage in the most horrific torture of their victims, including rape, and also senseless killing when it really wasn't necessary. In short, based on the current situation, I cannot agree with you.

      denis.gomo - 2012-06-22 10:21

      @BigChief...people like Themba have never,or had a close relative or friend suffer at the hands of violent criminals. They think it's a joke. No amount of explanation will convince them until they become victims...but then,by that time, they'll be no more need to convince them...they'll be 6 feet under.

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 10:29

      Denis.gomo, you are talking sh***. I lost brother who was murdered while on his way from work late at night. That's all I'm gonna say just to educate you.\r\n\r\nBig criminals ATTACK their prey. Stop twisting my words simply because you disagree as a matter of principle, not as a matter of fact. Anyway, if the Police heed your advice, they will spend more time in court defending their decision to also behave like criminals than on the streets.I'm tired of this. I have my friend Ian to debate with and have a good laugh while at it. So have the final word my Big Chief

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-22 10:47

      Well Themba, as it turns out, (so far anyway) there was no 'hit squad'. This turns out to be a smear campaign against excellent cops doing an excellent job, and that went against the grain of some serious gangsters including corrupt police officials. Now it's starting to sound like a typical SA story. Photos were manipulated, threats made etc, but these cops persevered and so far none of the 'evidence' is holding up. What a sick country.

  • Biiza M Herbert - 2012-06-22 09:10

    no one is above e law here ey shld go to jail thse bastards we a tired of polic brutality wtf

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-22 09:19

      Yes on the one hand I agree, on the other hand organised crime is currently above the Law, and taking innocent peoples lives sometimes just for fun. The situation cannot be considered normal, and therefore one can hardy stay with the 'conventional' approach.

      monica.vanderwesthuizen.1 - 2012-06-22 09:52

      What planet do you come from!!! Im from planet EARTH.....and on this planet we live among some of the worst criminals in the Universe!! I want protection for me and my family.....they gave up time to spend with theirs while protecting mine......I thank them and trust they will get a fair and just trial....without the likes of you!!!

  • jakes.jacobs.313 - 2012-06-22 09:52

    If we had a Police Force full of Officers like these we would not have a crime problem in SA. Their instruction was shoot to kill.....remember? They were just doing their jobs and I for one, take my hat off for them. I also bet that not one of these charges will stick. We need guys like these. I would love to know the details of these charges and then you will be able to explain it or why it was done.

  • Neal - 2012-06-22 10:02

    Only in South Africa do we arrest the top cops and let let hardened criminals out of jail!!! Durban is going to be a far more dangerous place without the Cato Mano Cops to protect us!!!!!!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 10:11

      Jackie Selebi won't agree with you. He was a top cop, no make that the head honcho of Interpol. Yet he is languishing in jail. Richard Mdhuli too, the suspended \top cop\ is about to swap his italian suits for orange overalls if the Hawks have their way. \r\n\r\nMy point is: chillex. The \top cops\ will hopefully prove their innocence in due course.

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-06-22 10:14

    Please read this article from Noseweek detailing what really is going on here, the court has already kick one "State Witness" out for being completely unreliable...

      nigel.burgess.52 - 2012-06-22 10:49

      OK - seems it was a smear campaign against good cops by bad cops and gangsters. Either way, I support these guys unconditionally.

      monica.vanderwesthuizen.1 - 2012-06-22 10:49

      Have done so already. So glad we on the same page with this case. As for some peoples view's...."say no more" And we cares how they got rid of the scum anyway....scum stays scum and we are well rid of them. Leave them to go home to their loved ones and dont waste the tax payers money.

  • miki.brits - 2012-06-22 11:17

    As I see it, the only reason why they were arrested is because they were getting too close to the KINGPINS of the crime syndicates. The Kingpins are probably very well known people! Maybe they are in our Police, or Government or even in the Military?? WHO has enough clout to mobilize this kind of move?????? HMMMMM, Makes one think, doesn't it!!!!!

      Neal - 2012-06-22 12:22

      I think you hit the nail on the head miki!

      themba.thwala.98 - 2012-06-22 13:00

      See what, your dead animals' bones or crystal glass?

  • miki.brits - 2012-06-22 16:10

    @ Themba.... Oh, it's definitly a 'crystal glass, sunshine!! The dead animal bones I leave to you and your ilk!!

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