Holomisa: No funeral talk at Qunu meeting

2013-06-26 12:02

Johannesburg - Funeral arrangements for ailing former president Nelson Mandela were not discussed at a family meeting in Qunu, in the Eastern Cape, United Democratic Movement leader Bantu Holomisa said on Wednesday.

"Yes, I can confirm that," he told Sapa.

He declined to provide further information, referring queries to the Mandela family.

Holomisa attended Tuesday's meeting with the Mandela elders, Mandela's eldest daughter Makaziwe Mandela, his grandson Mandla Mandela, and Public Service and Administration Minister Lindiwe Sisulu.

Briefing elders

Holomisa gave the Mail & Guardian a more detailed account of the meeting.

"The purpose of the meeting was to brief the elders about Mandela's condition," he was quoted as saying on the newspaper's website.

"With some family members living in Johannesburg and others in the Eastern Cape, it becomes important to make sure everyone is kept up to speed with the developments.

"One does not want to leave the elders behind," he reportedly said.

"They were not given any additional details on Mandela's condition.

"They were told exactly what President Jacob Zuma has told the nation... and it was not a shock to them.

"They have been monitoring his health and have been reading the newspapers."

Holomisa told the M&G the meeting had finished around 15:00.

He said the Mandela family in Johannesburg would continuously update the elders in the Eastern Cape. He denied claims that it was an "emergency" meeting.

According to the Mail & Guardian report, Holomisa said the meeting did not include talks about Mandela's funeral or any logistical issues surrounding his health.

Funeral the responsibility of government

Holomisa said plans for Mandela's funeral remained the responsibility of the government as he was a former president.

Presidential spokesperson Mac Maharaj said on Tuesday that Mandela's doctors were continuing to do everything possible to help him recover and to keep him comfortable.

Holomisa reiterated this, telling the newspaper there were no new developments around Mandela's health.

Holomisa reportedly said he had been invited to the meeting in his capacity as a "family friend", and there was nothing unusual about his attendance, as he had attended other Mandela family meetings in the past.

The M&G reported that Holomisa and Mandela had a long-standing friendship, which had survived even Holomisa's expulsion from the ANC in 1996.

He was expelled for revealing ANC "irregularities" which occurred in the former Transkei under apartheid.

Burial place

Earlier on Wednesday, Gauteng newspapers reported that Mandla Mandela had stormed out of the family meeting.

The Star reported that it had been told by three sources that the family was torn between Mandla Mandela - who wanted Madiba to be buried at his birthplace in Mvezo - and the rest, who believed his wish to be buried next to his children should be respected.

The Star reported that the meeting was held to discuss a "significant" family matter.

The Times reported that a group of elders planned to fly to Gauteng to assess Mandela and decide what to do.

It reported that the meeting had focused on Mandela's health, and on the moving of the family graves from Qunu to Mvezo in 2011. The graves were moved by Mandla Mandela.

The Times reported that the family wanted the graves of three of Mandela's children - sons Makgatho and Thembekile, and daughter Makaziwe - to be in Qunu.

The newspaper reported that it understood a fuming Mandla Mandela, who moved the graves without consulting the family, stormed out of the meeting.

  • Firstseed Mbeva - 2013-06-26 12:07

    Classified right?

      Aqeelah Khan - 2013-06-26 12:29

      Yebo TOP SECRET - the first one for the Secrecy Bill

      Tersia Louw - 2013-06-26 12:51

      Aqeelah, second one after Nkandla.

  • Michael Young - 2013-06-26 12:08

    Mandla Mandela seems like he wants to be known for who and what his grandfather is but he himself is always in the news for the wrong things. Instead of doing good and continuing and realising his grandfathers dreams he instead seeks as much attention and money from his businesses using his Mandela name. Mandla needs to hamba

      Mike Geyer - 2013-06-26 12:12

      he would never be able to replace the great man

      Mphumzi Papichulo Makeleni - 2013-06-26 12:17

      this mandla guy is useless.

      Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-06-26 12:31

      Miyo 27. Mandla is chief of the Mvezo Traditional Council. At the suggestion of his grandfather, he also became chief of the tribe.

      Michael Young - 2013-06-26 13:13

      @ Jacqui we are talking about Madiba's grandson disrespecting his wishes and relocating burial sites. This has got nothing to do with his status. This is purely a family matter. He has no right to do what he does just because he is a "chief of the tribe".

  • Mike Geyer - 2013-06-26 12:11

    yeah then agree with Bulls why the grave diggers pitch up - Vultures are soaring!

  • Mphumzi Papichulo Makeleni - 2013-06-26 12:11

    "as he was former president" wow

      Aqeelah Khan - 2013-06-26 12:30

      hahahahahahaha ja hey, they think we all don't know how to read grammar

      Mphumzi Papichulo Makeleni - 2013-06-26 12:43

      we must be so stupid khan

      Nhlanhla Lomuhle WeKunene - 2013-06-26 13:02

      this gets me thinking...

  • Surf City - 2013-06-26 12:14

    So bury some of him in one place and some in the other place. Problem solved.

      Michael Young - 2013-06-26 14:02

      people like you are the problem

  • reggie.reginald.3110 - 2013-06-26 12:15

    Maybe they're diving the hole for all the Mandelas from Nelson to Winnie, Mandla and the idiot daughters .....that will be amazing! !

  • reggie.reginald.3110 - 2013-06-26 12:15


      Jurie Nel - 2013-06-26 12:19

      I thought you meant "dividing".

  • Bianca-Anne P. Moll - 2013-06-26 12:21

    Maybe we must accept that those reporting is visual illiterate, they have not develop the ability to interpret what they see. They want to report in such a way...Shameful how news24 will allow all these comments - Suggestion: why don't place articles of Madiba without comments since clearly these comments is disturbing to any descent person.

  • Simon Mwando - 2013-06-26 12:23

    ths Maharaj man reminds me of former Iraq foreign minister

      Zohan Steppingstone - 2013-06-26 12:32

      He reminds me of Piet Koornhoff - lying scum.

      Jurie Nel - 2013-06-26 12:50

      Well said Simon! I believe you are referring to "Comical Ali", whose statements were belied by the background footage even as he spoke.

      Simon Mwando - 2013-06-26 12:57

      yeahh,he kept assuring the masses that evrything is under control whilst e american soldier where a stone throw away!

  • Mokoena Motshewa - 2013-06-26 12:25

    Tata is still alive he need our support

  • Sandra Rennie - 2013-06-26 12:25

    Well if you flew all the way down with Sisulu what did you there ? Pay the grave digger ?

  • Patricia Dewet - 2013-06-26 12:25

    What is the digger for, planting a big tree??

  • Fillas Fedrick Maluleke - 2013-06-26 12:26

    Funeral arrangement is good to organise ealier

  • Kathleen Tayler - 2013-06-26 12:26

    it is obvious that to bury anyone,you need to dig a whole.and it is the families right to discuss funeral arrangements if a family member is expected to pass on.

  • reggie.reginald.3110 - 2013-06-26 12:26

    In fact we should get the school principal who was fined for cruelty to animals, to bury them alive!

  • Leon Coetzee - 2013-06-26 12:29

    well, a sure sign to discern whether or not a politician is lying is to watch for the movement of their lips i.e. no movement = no lies, movement = lies. sad but true!!

  • Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-06-26 12:29

    They wanted to brief the elders about Madiba's condition he said. Then added, one does not want to leave the elders behind. A few sentences later he said they [the elders?] have been monitoring his health and they have been reading the newspapers. Do they think we have all been hit by a pile of bricks?.

  • reggie.reginald.3110 - 2013-06-26 12:29

    Kathleen do you know how to spell, it's a HOLE ...another victim of the education in Africa

  • Ricky Singh - 2013-06-26 12:36

    I suppose we must face the hard facts that Madiba has not long to live.Losing him will be like losing a father and he is the father of this nation and I suppose around the world,such is his power and greatness.These are indeed sad times for all who care about this great elder statesman of Africa ,one we call Tata.We need to brace ourselves for the worst and this is already so hard.

  • Phil Matsinhe - 2013-06-26 12:38

    thanks for the update

  • Du Dfksols - 2013-06-26 12:39

    Nothing wrong in being proactive since the grand's, cousins & aunt's want to take over everything as opposed to this being the current wife and daughters matter and whoever they deem relevant like the General

  • Louw Kruger - 2013-06-26 12:40

    Yes , only money!!!

  • Simon Mwando - 2013-06-26 12:42

    something is not adding up! relatives clearing e grave yard! The extra road leading up to Qunu under emergency construction! 2 chiefs currently in chartered flight to pretoria med! Maharaj playng former iraq foreign minister tricks! TELL US THE TRUTH PLIZ. Lastly to Mandla pliz behave

  • Kalahari Kgalagadi Safaris - 2013-06-26 12:56

    zuma will lie some more and sing 'bring my machine gun'

  • Zoleka Mussana - 2013-06-26 13:02

    I dont think Holomisa owes the newspapers anything as far as the meeting he attended is concerned even if there was funeral talk.

  • Carlisle Lang - 2013-06-26 13:03

    How stupid do you think we are?? Did the grave digger just go for a joyride to the gravesite to enjoy the view... I think not!!!

  • Hemlock - 2013-06-26 13:07

    They were probably discussing how to share the loot!!!! Bloody vultures.

  • Mphela Kelatu - 2013-06-26 13:26


  • Lottie Wa LeKhosi Sogaise - 2013-06-26 14:25

    I believe that a lot that we nt being told and nw we r left wth unanswered Qs n confussion.Senziwa muncu nje ngoku.

  • Albert Prinsloo - 2013-06-26 15:02

    Then why did they have the meeting in the first place? if they only stated the obvious to the "elders" who already knew everything discussed? bla bla bla, try another one...

      Morris Macala - 2013-06-26 15:58

      No need to question any decission the Madibas take or movement they do.Brain dead or brain live not your bzness.LEAVE MADIBAS alone if you have nothong to say tothem

  • Rajah Favoured Fadzai - 2013-06-26 15:44

    why is it so difficulty for them to come up with the truth at once..are they scared of political unrest? of course its bound to happen at the same time people will be used and will get over they might as well just tell us the truth now

  • Chimbala Beleshi Chamuchita - 2013-06-26 16:18

    What to be got to be and it will be...Its a Natural Mystic.

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