Hunting ban will increase poaching - hunters

2011-09-01 15:38

Johannesburg - A proposed moratorium on rhino hunting could increase poaching, the Professional Hunters’ Association of SA (Phasa) said on Thursday.

"A moratorium could... have the effect of increasing rhino poaching as it would make the illicit trade in rhino horns even more profitable for poachers," Phasa chief executive Adri Kitshoff said in a statement.

A moratorium is a delay or suspension of an activity or law. Animal rights activists and conservation authorities often request moratoriums to protect endangered or threatened animal species.

Kitshoff said the moratorium would adversely impact private rhino owners, and the government needed to focus attention on national parks.

"Rhinos which are kept in national parks are most threatened by poaching. A moratorium on rhino hunting would not serve to protect these rhinos as it is, in any event, illegal to hunt rhinos in national parks."

Training more people to prosecute "wildlife transgressions" could prevent further poaching.

On Monday Environment Minister Edna Molewa said the government was considering the moratorium.

"Currently, the provincial conservation authorities issue permits for the sport hunting of rhino, and an unfortunate challenge we are facing, in terms of the permitting of rhino hunting, is the abuse of the system by unscrupulous individuals.

"Illegal hunting and the abuse of the permit system may be the main threats that could impact on the survival of rhino in the wild in the near future."

She said discussions on the moratorium would take place with provincial MECs in October.

There would also have to be consultation with game farmers and other interested parties; an examination of the number of hunting permits, both pending and in the system; and an investigation into the effect of such a moratorium on hunting tourism.

"It is important to look at rhino hunting that is legal... from a perspective our country uses to attract hunting tourists," she said.

There are about 18 800 white rhino and 2 200 black rhino in South Africa.

Rhino poaching in the country and in other parts of the continent surged over the past three years, driven by an increasing demand for the horn from southeast Asian countries, where the powdered horn was used in traditional medicines.

  • Sean - 2011-09-01 15:44

    Post a moratorium and then adopt a shoot on sight policy with anyone poaching.End of problem.No tax payers money need to be wasted with keeping the bastards in jail.

      Fedup - 2011-09-01 16:03


      Shivermetimb - 2011-09-01 16:27

      Obviously Phasa objects. They only give a damn about their back pockets. Ban rhino hunting and Phasa will you are about it.

      DJI - 2011-09-01 20:26

      I have a question, they say, the ban of legal hunting of Rhino's will increase poaching of Rhinos for the horns. Does this mean that hunters who "legally" hunt Rhino's , trade in the trade of illegal horns?

      kungfupanda - 2011-09-02 13:49

      Maybe we must introduce the Chinese to Viagra.

  • GypseyAnn - 2011-09-01 15:59

    This does not bode well for the hunting fraternity - they should be banned outright and have all there weapons removed. Anyone caught with weapons of this nature should be considered guilty of having blood on their hands! I AGREE WITH SEAN - SHOOT ANYONE POACHING ON SITE. BURY THEM IF YOU HAVE TO, BUT LEAVE OUR WILDLIFE ALONE!!!!!!

      Philosopher - 2011-09-01 16:30

      Only a psychopath can take pleasure from killing. I agree Ann. Ban hunting altogether. It's a sick sport for sick individuals.

      Smk - 2011-09-01 16:49

      So you would place a ban on the one tradition that has been around ever since we opened our eyes and realised we needed to eat at the start of mankinds appearance? Where the hell do you think meat comes from? big animals that poop out your T-Bone steaks or your frozen chicken just appear in cans magicaly? I garauntee you there is A LOT more abuse in slaughter houses, Hunters actually have respect for their kills generally, they also tend to use the entire animal, the deaths are just as fast is not faster then in the slaughter house and they are not kicked and shocked and stressed out like your domestic animals. Hunters are not the problem. Poachers are.

      Tamz.S - 2011-09-02 07:04

      I agree with Smk. ALOT more cruelty happens in slaughter houses, so if you are eating meat purchased from a supermarket you should shut your mouth. Hunting is FAR kinder than the torture animals face when bred for human consumption. I do not agree with hunting either but at the same time I do not eat meat or any animal products. However I am really sick of the hypocrites that are whining about a Rhino getting shot when every year you are responsible for the death of about 85 animals that have suffered far worse than most animals that are hunted. STOP killing the Rhinos but at the same time STOP supporting factory farms and go vegan.

      robadog - 2011-09-09 13:12

      You have no conception to a animals worth, without legal hunting there would be little wildlife left. With comments of "Philosopher" in the mix...duhh.Lamb costs R48/kg & Sprinbok costs +-R26/kg BAN ALL HUNTING = Why keep sprinbok,they eat the same food as lamb & suddenly they are worth zero. So lets only farm with lamb as they are woth money.But i wholly agree with your comments iro Rhino's.

  • Al-Meister - 2011-09-01 16:05

    The hunting ban will not increase poaching because at the moment, hunting = poaching. The rhino still dies and the horn still goes missing. Stop hunting, start breeding...

      Fedup - 2011-09-01 16:07

      But they are killing the pregnant ones as well, someone has to control it. Shoot the buggers that are de horning the Rhino on sight.

  • kungfupanda - 2011-09-01 16:08

    Between tourists who feel almighty by shooting at big game and Asians who believe eating keratin, which is also found in your nails, will make you healthy and or horny, we will soon have no wild animals left in this place. Humans are disgusting!

      Bachbabe - 2011-09-01 16:32

      Agree 100%! Hunting is no sport, it's a stupid pastime. What possible kick do you get out of shooting a rhino (or anything else, for that matter)? Do you now suddenly feel better about yourself? And these idiots who believe the nonsense about eating/sniffing/snorting the horn....get a life and leave our rhinos alone!

      Tamz.S - 2011-09-02 07:09

      Just remember that if you are eating meat, that you cannot complain about hunting. The animals that are hunted die faster than those in factory farms, which are often skinned alive because the stunning process has failed. I do not agree with hunting, but it is FAR kinder and easier on an animal than living their entire lives not feeling a blade of grass or a ray of sunshine and living in a cage barely bigger than their bodies. STOP EATING MEAT

  • Peter - 2011-09-01 16:09

    Hunters are (true hunters)have much knowledge of what works and does'nt work as many of the older hunters to day has put much land to preserving of wild life, they are involved every day with problems not only with poaching but keeping a balance Population and grazing, suitable grazing and shrubs. So the hunters must be involved.

      Peter - 2011-09-01 16:10

      In finding a solution

      MDK - 2011-09-01 16:51

      The hunters must be involved and untill you have lived on a game farm you cant really comment the farmer doesnt get a subsidy from the goverment to help protect the animals so they are left to handle the expenses involved on there own. Hunting, true hunting is not about killing but about preserving. The fact that you get money from it helps buy in and preseve more animal. How do you think staff wages must be paid or when there is a drought food must be bought. There is more to think about than just saying hunters are bad people, hunting is what keeps the animals alive. Sad but true!!!

      Vela Stardust - 2011-09-01 17:25

      Why hunt what you don't eat? Modern man has moved past hunting for meat as it is freely available in supermarkets. So what is the purpose of hunting, specially the big 5? I can't see a difference between poaching and trophy hunting. The former is more cruel than the latter but the end result is the same.

  • Ed - 2011-09-01 16:18

    If it is for a 3 to 5 year period until the menace of poaching can be totally stopped, then yes it MUST BE DONE. Obviously the hunting guys will be crying because they lose income from not having big game like rhino hunted. shame, they make money from killing animals, they can suffer for a while because otherwise there will be NONE of these animals left. i think that that ban should be widened to include the entire big 5, with the posisble exclusion of buffalo. they are the only animal that is not hunted or used for some type of medicinal use, whereas ellies, rhinos and the cats are. maybe also start hunting small asian people to feed to the big 5??? karma.

  • ~daisy_d~ - 2011-09-01 16:26

    who the hell shoots a rhino for fun anyway if they're on the endangered species list and part of the big 5?!?!? I agree with the shoot on sight. These people have no feelings towards animals and....let me stop because I'm having bad and evil thoughts about what should be done to these people...

      Fedup - 2011-09-01 16:29

      let it out daisy, let it out

  • Daveza - 2011-09-01 16:30

    Those who spend their money on hunting animals should rather spend it on a penis enlargement. That way them and the rhino both win.

  • Lyndatjie - 2011-09-01 16:32

    It is a simple case of SUPPLY and DEMAND... you lessen the supply - the demand will increase. That said... I would like to give each f*ck*r who promotes the shooting of an innocent animal a 5 minute head start before I chase after him with a bloody bazooka!

      MDK - 2011-09-01 16:53

      What about all the animals that get culled every year by our nature reserves?

      Smk - 2011-09-01 16:56

      Oh please go throw a tantrum outside and come back when you have decerned the difference between hunters and poachers. PS a dictionary will help you. Dont have a hernia because you believe it is wrong. Slaughter houses are wrong and stress animals out far more then being hunted. Animals have always and will always be food, either for eachother or for us. I hope you get this worked up when you see lions wound and then slowly suffocate their prey. At least hunters kill them quick and use as much of the animal as they can. Poachers are scavengers, they take what they want and leave the rest to rot.

      Lyndatjie - 2011-09-01 17:07

      @SMK - you are talking to a vegetarian that does not eat any animal or animal byproduct. So please think outside your tiny little plastic box before you spew forth your uninformed vitriole about who and what I am and what I stand for. In my religion animals are NOT food for human beings... In my religion hunters and poachers are both evil because they are doing it for gain - be it for personal gratification or monetary reasons. If you want to equate the human being to the animal world - then remove his shoes, his watch, his clothes, his truck, his GUN and every single unfair advantage he uses to hunt down an animal with single-minded obsession. If you want to see humane treatment - go and see the way the olden day bushmen hunt. They hunted for food! For basic survival - NOT FOR SPORT! You are obviously a meat eater and will defend your right to the death... now allow me the same right as well. And for heavens sake - allow people with different opinions, upbringing and religion than you to have their say... WITHOUT making asumptions as to who and what we are. Speak only for yourself and let me speak for me.

      Smk - 2011-09-01 18:08

      Wow I never said anything bad about your choice of food but you fly off the handle? Where did I ever say you cant be a vegan or have your own opinion. I like meat and veg, you like veg. So what thats our choices and I wont look down on anyone because of what they decide to eat. So no need to pull the "I'm a effin vegan" card. The topic on hand is poaching and I am trying to convey that hunters and poachers are 2 different things. Our bodies are designed to eat plants as well as animals (See your teeth) You choose to eat veg so why you getting your tits all tangled up? I was stating you need to learn the difference between hunters and poachers, no where did I attack veg eaters but you certainly are bundling and generalising hunters and poachers into 1 basket. Hunters use as much of tha animals as they can. Poachers kill for monetary gain and waste the animal. Enough said so go chill and have a steak, I think you lack of meat is making you agro. But I have the feeling you will disagree :P Have a great evening and PS my favorite food is actually Veg with melted cheese NOM!. But nothing beats meat and a braai.

      FarmJoe - 2011-09-01 19:56

      Calm down Lyndatjie, I just hope you don't convert the whole world to be Vegans. It will mean I will have to plow up more virgin land to grow more veges. Shame the bambis and bunnies will have to move off, the ripper might crush the bunnies in their holes and when I plant wheat to make bread for you the cute birdiewirdies which have made their nests in the wheat get minced in the combine harvester. Don't think you don't eat animals - they're in your bread.

      Tamz.S - 2011-09-02 07:13


      Tamz.S - 2011-09-02 07:16

      AND AT FARMJOE - Just so you know, over 75% of all the grain grown in the world today is fed to animals in factory farms. If the entire world went vegan we could at least feed every body!!!Eating meat is a waste of water and land and the environmental destruction it is causing is simply horrific. Please go watch and then talk.

  • Rocky_III - 2011-09-01 16:40

    Funny this comment. Almost an admission from the proffesional hunters that the horns of hunted rhino are being sold for illegal purposes and not trophy hunting. Ban the hunting all together and prosecute as hard as possible anyone caught with a horn or by product.

      MDK - 2011-09-01 17:10

      So you will have the goverment ban an entire industry that plays an enormous roll in our econamy because you are to short sighted to see how much more hunting contridutes than what it destroys. Why dont you just ban coal mining while you are at it.

      Vela Stardust - 2011-09-01 17:33

      @MDK. Everyone connected to the wild life industry should make sacrifices to save and protect the rhinos. A 5 year moratorium won't hurt. Why would hunters be against this? Whales recovered because of a moratorium.

  • Shistirrer - 2011-09-01 16:43

    While I'm not anti-hunting, I find it very strange that permits can be issued for animals that are on the endangered list, so putting a moratorium on rhino hunting makes sense. Suggestion for an alternative: Issue licenses for hunting poachers. Once shot, cut off their noses with a chainsaw and export it to the East.

      MDK - 2011-09-01 17:12

      You have to hunt some of the animals or would you rather they cull them all and have no money to try and perseve the big 5?

  • Jawellnofine - 2011-09-01 17:00

    Give the hunters permits to hunt poachers. Then the hunters can still satisfy their hunting lust but then it will be against armed opponents. Perhaps the hunters can even be paid per poacher shot.

  • Jonathan - 2011-09-01 17:01

    Ban hunting altogether; what gives us the right to take an animals life in the name of "sport"? Hunting is no sport, it's murder, murder of a innocent animal. Hunting is a ego based evil and diabloical practice that has no place in a modern day society. If you hunt, then you should be willing to be hunted!

      FarmJoe - 2011-09-01 20:00

      Ban driving as well, cars kill innocent people also. This is your logic

      Tamz.S - 2011-09-02 07:18

      I hope Jonathan that you are then vegan after that comment. The innocent lives of animals are taken every day in factory farms for people to eat them. Apologies if you are vegan, but most people seem to speak out against the cruel practice of hunting, while they are eating meat whose sources are far worse and far more cruel to the animals involved.

  • Michele Santangelo - 2011-09-01 17:04

    I am an animal lover and hate hunting in all forms, but banning hunting will make the situation worse as it will cause demand for rhino and their horn to increase thereby making trading and poaching far more profitable and attractive with rhino horn prices rising way passed the R250k mark. Many game rangers have in fact suggested allowing rhinos to be legally farmed for their horn as this would bring the price of rhino horn right down putting poachers out of business while not harming rhinos as their horns do re grow fully after 2 years. This is a similar solution which was introduced in the everglades where aligators were being poached to the brink of extinction. There are now over 1.5 million aligators in the florida area after farming them was legalized.

      Johno55 - 2011-09-01 17:16

      Most of you guys are making about as much sense about Hunting as the ANCYL is regarding mine nationalisation ie short sighted. If private game farms did not stock Rhino's for hunting the population Rhino in SA (and the rest of our neighbouring countries)would be extremely lower than the current number. Hunters are the conservationists and the controlled harvest of the animals are sustainable. Take this away and the demand to conserve and economically breed the animals on private land diminishes. Stopping hunting is just another nail in the Rhino's coffin.

      Vela Stardust - 2011-09-01 17:36

      Interesting that the breeding of rhino has not been suggested. One wonders why?

  • Dolphin - 2011-09-01 17:42

    Yeah and why???? Make the penalties very harsh for any of the big 5. Only weaklings get a kick out of shooting a defenseless animal with a powerful rifle. Why dont you hunt them down and then wrestle them. That is a real man......but then no hunters are real men. Overcompensate with the size of the trophy, the bakkie and the rifle.

  • QQQQ - 2011-09-01 18:20

    ignorance is bliss...vegetarians eat more meat and than they realise. those calling for a ban on hunting live in a world detached from ours...hunting dear fools is the reason we have such an ubandance of wildlife..carefull management of the wildlife keeps the ecosystems balanced and full of healthy animals...who are looked after and protected(well almost)by the farmer. knee jerk reactions and adolecent views will not help,grow up,read and come back with an inforomed opinion...

      Daveza - 2011-09-01 18:30

      Nature does a pretty good job of keeping the ecosystems balanced.

  • KaB - 2011-09-01 18:21

    Just stop HUNTING our wildlife you sick bunch!

  • Charles Mercer - 2011-09-01 19:19

    Are these people so addicted to the spilling of blood that they are addicts of the worst kind? Sick. Who needs these kind of tourists anyway?

      Tamz.S - 2011-09-02 07:22

      The bottom line is, even though I am dead against hunting, if you are eating meat bought from supermarkets you are supporting cruelty FAR worse than hunting. So until anyone opens their mouth to moan about how awful hunting is, go see what happens to those chickes/pigs/cows/sheep that you chomp down on daily - They are deprived of EVERY natural instinct they have. The factory farming industry is THE single most cruel practice on earth today and almost every human pays for it to carry on. Watch this free movie:

  • tanyafourie - 2011-09-01 20:51

    Love animals, but hunting is OK if done right. Have friends who are ethical in their approach. Key thought for you anti-hunting folks: your pet Fluffy gets old and sick and the vet 'takes care of things'. Who takes care of bambi, huh? A 'natural death' is a terrible thing, no vet to help out. Imagine, you're dying of thirst near a watering hole, or having some predator on your arse. Or some tumour. A well placed hunting bullet or arrow is painless. Learn something about 'fight or flight' response and effect of adrenalin. And think about bambi suffering out there instead of living a good life and then getting knocked over painlessly. Or do you prefer these animals to suffer slowly and 'naturally'? Combine painless death with other ethical things hunters do to *save* our vegetation and wildlife, and you'll quickly appreciate how important these folks are when they do things *properly*

      FarmJoe - 2011-09-01 22:42

      I could not agree more

      Stephanie - 2011-09-02 06:58

      @tanyafourie: just think a little Tanya- a hinter is NOT going to shoot a weak and sick bambie as you so sarcastically wrote. he'll choose the strongest animals because it's more meat and a better trophy. Hunters don't kill to save an animal from it's suffering, they shoot to bring home a supposed trophy, the bigger the better. So don't use the 'vet uses euthanasia' argument, it's not applicable to hunters

      Tamz.S - 2011-09-02 07:21

      The bottom line is, even though I am dead against hunting, if you are eating meat bought from supermarkets you are supporting cruelty FAR worse than hunting. So until anyone opens their mouth to moan about how awful hunting is, go see what happens to those chickes/pigs/cows/sheep that you chomp down on daily - They are deprived of EVERY natural instinct they have. The factory farming industry is THE single most cruel practice on earth today and almost every human pays for it to carry on. Watch this free movie:

  • pappabeer - 2011-09-01 22:29

    First of all, to all the uninformed that refer to "our wildlife": South African wildlife is comprised of privately owned as well as Government owned wildlife. When animals are kept on a property with a certificate adequate enclosure, as prescribed by nature conservation, the animals belong to the farmer. To manage his natural resources he first needs to protect the soil from erosion to sustain vegetation. Secondly he needs to protect said vegetation from overgrazing to be able to sustain animals. Lastly, as third priority, comes the protection of the animals, by amongst other methods controlling their numbers. It is here that the hunting of selected animals (i.e. out of the breeding cycle) comes in. This is apposed to the indiscriminate practice of poaching the first animal on sight, be it a gravid or lactating female or a juvenile. By speaking about “our wildlife” you may as well call a maize farmer’s crops “our crops”.

  • pappabeer - 2011-09-01 22:29

    Secondly: Rhino’s pay for their stay on private farms by adding financial value to the enterprise. When an animal departs from the breeding cycle, the revenue from having him hunted pays for the purchase of a new animal to continue this cycle and increase the genetic diversity to the population concerned. Thus, hunting does not reduce the population in the bigger picture. (a picture often obscured by the blindfold of emotion, stupidity and the lack of that very uncommon thing, namely common sense) Commercially farming with game, for hunting and eco-tourism, is the single most important reason for the increase in South African wildlife numbers from 500 000 in the mid 1960’s to 18,2 million today. When the controlled hunting of the few White Rhino annually, designated by CITES, in SA gets banned they will not be of any worth to the game farmers and breeding them (that by the way takes place very effectively, for the ones that questioned that possibility) will not be financially viable any longer.

  • zuffy - 2011-09-02 08:19

    So if we make hunting Rhino illegal or having a moratorium on hunting then this will increase the amount of rhinos killed and increase the value making the horn more profitable, why doesn’t the department in trade and industry take this up with the Asian countries, and if they have why are there still being Rhinos poached and why are we still supporting these countries? Yes China will one day be the power house of the world, but that does not mean killing animals is ok. These guys that are fuelling this trade are uneducated. It has been proven the rhino horn does not affect the sexual stamina, so what else is it being used for. The Dolphins in Japan have been proven to contain more mercury than the human body should consume, why are they feeding their upcoming generation poison. We need to get together and have harsher sentences for these guys and get the rest of the world to know what is happening as majority of these countries people don’t even know what’s going on? if these people that are using the horn are educated and use products that have been proven to work and to find a way to feed these kids in Japan food that is not deadly to them to understand these issues im sure that will be a start. We need to realise we can only take that much from earth until there is nothing left.

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