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Huntley's refugee status overturned

2010-11-26 22:52

Ottawa - Canada's Federal Court overturned a contentious immigration ruling that granted refugee status to a white man from South Africa who claimed persecution from blacks in his home country.

Brandon Huntley argued that whites are targeted by black criminals in South Africa and that the South African government does nothing to protect them.

He claimed he was attacked seven times during attempted robberies and muggings.

A Canadian immigration board panel tribunal found Huntley's fears justified and gave him refugee status in August 2009.

South Africa had asked the Canadian government to appeal to the court.

Judge James Russell said this week that the decision was badly flawed and it was clear to him that Huntley came to Canada looking for a job, not to flee persecution.

When asked by the refugee panel why he came to Canada, Huntley said: "I came here to look for work because I can't find work in my country and it's easier finding work overseas."

When the refugee decision came down, the South African government expressed outrage and the case raised a furore in that country's media.

The authorities called the decision itself "racist" and "ridiculous" and made diplomatic complaints.

Rusell said it's possible some white South Africans could make a case for persecution, but had doubts about Huntley.

"I have serious reservations about why this particular white South African came to Canada and, after a considerable delay, opted to claim refugee status."

Comments
  • Moferefere - 2010-11-26 23:03

    Kom huis toe broer, a race card has no more legal potency in any civilized part of the world.

      W H Kotze - 2010-11-26 23:42

      You said it: In civilized parts of the world...

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 00:50

      Indeed and I confirm that South Africa has been and is still far from being civilized by any standard. Credit to those who introduced the current human rights base dispensation for we are beginning to crawl there. Albeit with serious teething problems including unabated corruption in all spheres of the society, blatant violence against the defenseless citizens particularly women (they say more than 1 in 3 men have raped a woman!!) and residual tribalism and racism. Yes, this squire said it as it is!

      satradenet - 2010-11-27 06:55

      THE ANC GOVERNMENT CAN BITCH AND MOAN TO THE CANADIANS ABOUT HUNTLEY BUT THE FACT OF THE MATTER STILL REMAINS AND THAT IS THAT SOUTH AFRICA IS A EXTREMELY VIOLENT SOCIETY. WE CAN ARGUE ABOUT HUNTLY UNTIL WE ARE BLUE IN THE FACE BUT THE REAL ISSUE IS CRIME AND THE GOVERNMENTS LACK OF BALLS TO FIGHT IT!!

      Jamesons - 2010-11-29 07:07

      The problem is that the ANC still promote racism.

      Toka - 2010-11-29 12:08

      Jameson Your opinion that ANC is still promoting racism will be shared by very few people, especially because ANC is a multi-racial and non-racial political movement. Almost all its white members are influential, providing leadership in the development of party and government policies. In fact crucial economic policies have been developed by white-led ANC think tank, with the aid of industrial lobby groups that are predominantly white, against the interest of the largely black dominant electorate! If you take these facts into account, yes the ANC promotes racism to the economic detriment of the large majority of black people. The question to you is: As a responsible citizens, who would not want crime and racism to consume your society, what is your contribution to any quest for the solution to the problems in question?

      Nicko Minaj - 2010-11-29 13:14

      @satradenet, WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING?

      Moferefere - 2010-11-29 14:37

      Nicko Minaj Remember it is the empty tins that make the loudest noise.

      GTFO - 2010-11-29 16:48

      @nicko...cause he is typing through the loud speaker duh!!!

      Picasso - 2010-11-30 07:32

      Toka, the ANC promotes racism and is indeed a racist organisation. Racism is their sole marketing tool to get poor black votes. That is why so many people believe blacks died by their millions in the apartheid years instead of only 23000 (7000 by security forces and 16000 by black on black violence), and that is also why so many people believe white people got everyting for free in those years.

      wer.pretorius - 2010-11-30 09:30

      @ Picasso: Those are some interresting statistics... So 7000 only really died at the hands of the Apartheid Government... Since 1990, how many Whites have died at the hands of Black people... There is still Apartheid people... It's now just reversed...

      DeonL - 2010-11-30 16:35

      Agree, come home we need your anti ANC Vote

  • veld66 - 2010-11-26 23:31

    Oh thank you Canada, i am going out to celebrate with friends over this great decision, This guy posed danger to human kind, tainting Black Africans in his quest to gain Residence in Canada!! Holly sh........t even the worst of people would not have tried that kind of stunt, well it serves as a warning to like minded fools who go about around the world tainting their fellow country men with unfounded lies! I hope this guy is deported from Canada the sooner the best!

      lizglaner - 2010-11-27 00:16

      Hell no!! Do you really want this clown back in SA?! They should keep him there. He should be stripped of his South African citizenship!

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-27 06:05

      http://www.genocidewatch.org/aboutgenocide/countriesatrisk2010.html Countries at Risk of Genocide, Politicide, or Mass Atrocities in 2010: Country:South Africa Threat Level:5-Polarization Victims:Boers/refugees Killers:Black racists How do you answer the above? Violent deaths in South Africa fall in two categories, murders and culpable homicides. Culpable Homicide has been defined simply as "the unlawful negligent killing of a human being", it is a question of intent. http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2010/categories.htm http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2010/categories/murder.pdf http://www.saps.gov.za/statistics/reports/crimestats/2010/categories/culpable_homicide.pdf 16,834 murders + 12272 culpable homicide for April to March 2009/2010 is 29106 for the year. 29106/365.25 = 79.7 deaths a day. 68,332 sexual offences, an under reported crime and victims sometimes get HIV. 1 in 4 woman have been raped in South Africa, according to some surveys. Google "rape in South Africa". If 683 (1%) of these people who do report the crime get HIV, is should also be counted as a violent death. 205,293 assauls with the intent to inflict grievous bodily harm. Huntley did not follow correct procedure, it is a shame he did not. This website is sometimes poorly sourced and annoyingly sensationalist. However it will open your eyes, I always verify the facts and numbers before believing it. http://censorbugbear-reports.blogspot.com/

      ebdg3000 - 2010-11-27 06:41

      Its strange that none of the rainbow-gaga people have responded to your impartial presentation of the real picture in SA: at 80 violent deaths per day, that puts us ahead of even Iraq. In fact, violent death seems to be the natural cause of death these - dying of old age has become rare. Its clear that the gvt can't/won't do anything about it, so we have to. We've got to change our lifestyles or else we are easy pickings. Support your local Neighbourhood Watch, install all manner of motion detectors, alarms, security lights, etc. Cut down bushes at your entrance, watch your rearview mirror, leave a minimum cars length in front of you at traffic lights, have your keys ready when exiting the Mall, put your kids in and strap them up after you've driven a short distance. Check up on dogs barking - but don't go empty handed - be ready, have small yappy dogs inside the house, etc. etc. - and you may survive ...

      Whitefedup - 2010-11-27 08:51

      unfounded laie you say......yet on this self same site where you are sprouting your anc brainwashed brabble you can read about exactlyw hat it was that hunley was claiming it on every page of media 24 publications...and as for tainitng his fellow south africans hwta a croc....he is only telling it like it is..... as for the furore kicked up byt he ANC this wa sonly because their begiing bowls were still out there asking the so called colonialists of past to feed and clothe and line the ANC pockets.....which raises aonther point the ANC and their cronies are forever slatingt he west as evil colonialists yet are not too angry at them to ask for their aid and investment in what they are turning into the cesspool of the world...( Africa and more specifically SOuth africa)

      alfred - 2010-11-27 09:16

      EBDG3000, as a rainbow-gaga person, I want to say that probably no other rainbow-gaga person responded simply because it is so early (was it about 7am?) on a Saturday. Even us zealots take a break now and then. Anyhow I read on the internet that Bigfoot was seen in Oklahoma, someone can make $2000 a day doing nothing and you could loose 10kg in three days. Its on the internet so it must be true.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-27 10:24

      @alfred My comment links to genocidewatch.org, the document is there for you to check. My comment also links to the saps (The South African Police Force) website. My numbers are true and correct. ANC supporters rather deny facts than change their country for the better.

      lieslm24 - 2010-11-27 11:22

      Absolutely, crime and the levels of violence that goes along with it in this country is ridiculous, shocking, and tragic. HOWEVER it is definitely not only the whites that suffer ... as a matter of fact, of the 80-odd deaths every day, how many of those are actually white? Farm murders make me very angry, but again ... farmers are vulnerable, and most farmers are white. If there were more black farmers, more black farmers would have been killed, too. But was Huntley justified in claiming refugee status? I think he took a chance since his work visa or whatever was on the verge of expiring and he had no other way to stay. It backfired. If he approached it differently, and was a better poster child, the attention on the problem may have been more constructive. As it is, he made a joke of the whole thing. Idiot.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-27 11:32

      Who do you think commits most violent crimes and rapes? Look at prison populations. http://www.dcs.gov.za/WebStatistics/inmate-gen.aspx

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-27 12:06

      I don't know if my last comment was removed. So I'll post it again. http://www.dcs.gov.za/WebStatistics/inmate-gen.aspx Look at the numbers, figure out the ratios quickly vs population, the result is very skewed indeed and obviously for the most part white South Africans lead lives according to the letter of the law. The other groups are inclined to commit crime, this is proof that you're more likely to suffer as a victim (when you're a white South African) because of the actions of other groups. This is the crux of the matter, it might not be specific targeting of whites, just because of race, but there is a high degree of crime white people suffer under at the hands of other races. I'd imagine because of this refugee status should be granted, but as I recall it doesn't work that way. On the other hand, charges of committing violent crimes and related offences usually overshadow racism charges which is more difficult to prove, the black youth (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_farm_attacks) invading a farm home and torturing the inhabitants to death, won't admit he did it out of racism nor do I expect the police investigates these questions. Just look at Terreblanche, were his killers charged with racism? Did the police ask the youths that question? I doubt it. The same holds true for urban areas. We don't have the facts and figures because, crime is not reported based on race, racism is not investigated as the cause and charges not brought.

      kabelo - 2010-11-27 12:06

      @Arthur Phili. The prison inmate statistics you showed did not say anything about violent crimes and rapes. The other thing, if you throw 100 black chips in a bowl, and 9 white chips in the same bowl and mix it up, what will the statistical chance of you picking a black chip be. There are 45million black people in the country, while there are only about four million whites. Obviously, the prison population will reflect the country's demographics as well. And remeber, there is a lot more complex social and economical reasons for people committing crimes.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-27 12:36

      The prison demographics do not match the country's demographics. There are 47 times more black criminals than white criminals. There are 11 times more black Africans than white Africans in South Africa Interestingly black Africans have about 11 times less wealth. There is a correlation, wealthy people have fewer children, but we don't know for sure that fewer children causes wealth, I think it does. I can't afford a child. Digressing.. There are many more complex social and economical reasons for people committing crimes. These issues correlate with race and another race suffers for it, let those who do not want to bear that burden flee as refugees. I consider myself a refugee, even though I'm an immigrant on paper. Other nations have much darker histories, yet they do not have these problems. Germany (blew up and then some), Japan (blew up), Korea (I forget), Australia (penal colony). On the other hand there are relatively peaceful Bantu nations, so it is not genetic! I think they are violent due to frustration, because an ANC government gives them false hope, promises of a better life which can not be realized under their corrupt incompetent leadership. They need education. As I said above, proving racism is difficult, it is not even investigated in violent crimes for the most part, but even though the official numbers are not there to reference as proof, we should admit there is a strong possibility that these crimes have a race factor motivating it.

      Roy - 2010-11-27 12:51

      @kabelo - love your maths - so if you take 30 ignorant and brainwashed ANC chips, 5 intelligent black chips, 1 intelligent white chip and throw them in a bowl, do we call it Corn Flakes? Nope - South Africa ROFL

      kabelo - 2010-11-27 13:00

      @Roy. I like the reference to 30 brainwashed black chips. Didnt the old apartheid government also brainwash the white people against the "swart en rooi gevaar"? Funny how history repeats itself, but now the white people complain about brainwashing.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-27 14:01

      @black-basher You have to look at the numbers in context. Source for all the numbers is pasted in. Please refrain from making emotional remarks. I said this before, when you make a statement it reflects on you as much as it does on the subject of your statement. That is how you know where to draw the line when you make a post. You should not add fuel to a fire you want extinguished.

      Spyker May - 2010-11-27 14:11

      kabelo, Kindly entertain yourself with the prison population demographics of (e.g.) the USA...

      Spyker May - 2010-11-27 14:53

      black-basher, Here is some alternative entertainment.., http://www.facebook.com/pages/CHRIS-ROCK-THE-COMEDIAN/23613913967

      Zion - 2010-11-28 10:13

      Arthur Phili: There is no disputing the statistics you have provided. In fact they correspond to public opinion, especially white opinion. The interpretation thereof seems to be misunderstood. The population ratio is 11:1 yet the criminal ratio is 47:1 This is stated in simple terms as: For every crime committed by a white person there are 47 committed by black persons irrespective of the population ratios. It may be difficult to correlate Wealth with number of children but it must be seen too that a person with a doctorate will have less children than one with grade 6. In conjunction to this a child is rather expensive to support and the less kids there are the more money is available for luxuries. I state under correction: It is seen as a mark of prestige to have many children in some black cultures. The children act as an insurance policy for the old age.

      jsvisagie - 2010-11-29 05:56

      Thank you Arthur for backing up your statements with proof from OFFICIAL websites.Obviously Huntley went about it the wrong way but in my heart of hearts I believe there is a case to be made for a person looking to apply for refugee status abroad.

      AlfredNeuman - 2010-11-29 10:51

      @Arthur Phili You, sir, are a legend that has finally proven what I've been trying to for years. Good on you. I sincerely hope you have a website or at least a blog.

      nuclear - 2010-11-29 11:28

      Dear Arthur, you do know that there are 8 stages to the genocide. Polarisation is even affecting the developed world now.

      Bratt - 2010-11-29 14:41

      @Arthur - Seriously... don't believe stuff you read off the net. Seriously. The 'black racists' (the killers according to your site) kind of gives it away. Any website that would use that kind of label on people is not very reliable to start with...

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-29 21:48

      @Bratt This is a respected organisation making a valid statement of fact. Your claim implies otherwise and betrays your ignorance. Look at the other posts I made and look at the numbers closely, should genocidewatch.org just list, "black people" instead of "black racist" as the killers?

      Bratt - 2010-11-30 09:17

      When you report on an issue, you do not pass judgement. If you are reliable anyway. Labelling people 'racist' insinuates that you have judged them. 'This is a respected organisation making a valid statement of fact.' - that statement alone has so much wrong with it I dont even know where to start. However, I'm sure when you re-read it you will see the fallacy in your logic, if I can even call it that.

      wer.pretorius - 2010-11-30 09:37

      I find this hilarious... Arthur Phili points out FACTS from reputable Websites of statistics compiled by organisations with BEE Ratings as set out by the "Government" that the majority PUT THERE in the 1st place... And now there's people like @kabelo and @alfred who are disputing this as lies... Guys... Denial is not a river in Egypt... The "Government's" biggest problem is there lack of willingness to admit that there is a MAJOR problem in SA... But it suits them... Because only another 4 mil whites to go...

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-30 10:46

      @Bratt They are not deeming each and every black South African a racist! There are *some* black racists in South Africa who want to commit genocide, most black South Africans want no part of it.

      Bratt - 2010-11-30 12:58

      @Arthur - There are *some* white racists in South Africa who want to commit genocide, most white South Africans want no part of it.... I'm sure you can figure out what I'm getting at..

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-30 21:23

      @Bratt There isn't a real risk of that happening. There is a real risk that genocide will be committed against white South Africans.

  • Pieter - 2010-11-26 23:44

    Great news! This means people that want to move to a country where a gov can protect them and there is work, can make a refugee claim.

      alfred - 2010-11-27 00:03

      Read the article again Pieter. Sorry!

      Kaaiman - 2010-11-27 00:35

      wtf did you even read the article??

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 01:37

      "Great news! This means people who want to move to a country where a gov can protect them and there is work, can make a refugee claim."... and be disappointed BIG time because this would be sheer idiocy. The only way out is get out there with the rest of the activists in the social movements or opposition political party or even the ruling party to help them do the right thing in the right direction. Much as it is your democratic right to watch the world go by on TV, it is your right to say no to the ineptitude of the government and do something about it. The only thing is that you have to be prepared to push shoulder to shoulder with people that you may have been made to believe that they are inferior to you all along because they are the majority electorate now.

      Zion - 2010-11-27 07:44

      Moferefere, Here in a 3rd world that has not quite reached world standards of civilization there can be no clear line between right and wrong, good and bad, honour and dishonour. We live ina fuzzy world where emotions are the driving factor not pure logic and reason. That is why our corruption levels are skyhigh. Pushing shoulder to shoulder to people who,not inferior, but uneducated by intention, is like farting against thunder. Yes they are the majority electorate now and will always be, and will therefore by their own making, become inferior and remain so. The people have chosen and by dint of ignorance bestowed upon them by their own elected gods will simply regress to a mugabian state. Huntley's excapade was a failure but it has highlighted, to some extent, the induced barbarism in this country. For even that little I am personally thankfull. It is worthwhile spending a few gigas to read on the internet what other countries think of us. It is shocking to say the least.

  • SA Canuck - 2010-11-27 00:09

    Sad day! That judge is an idiot!!!! If it was a black man wanting refugee status then he would have received it, and no questions would asked, but because it's a white man, the world is up in arms. Many of us have left SA for exactly the same reasons, no work and lots of violence.....who can argue that point.

      Ryan - 2010-11-27 00:53

      Agreed. And here in canada, Boatloads of tamil tigers etc are let into the country, and then are given a higher daily "pay" than a lot of us earn, while sucking up our tax $$ , when they are terrorists in their home country. Its crazy how white people the world over are treated differently because of "history".

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 01:08

      The judge in Canada simply applied the law blindly - "...Canada offers refugee protection to people in Canada who fear persecution and are unwilling or unable to return to their home country...(http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/inside/apply-who.asp)" Unlike in SA where idiots are appointed to influential positions at great taxpayers' expense, that is not the case in Canada, broer. A race card has no value in this matter and it is not true that white people are exclusively targeted by black criminals in SA. Statistics show that the majority of the victims of crime are black people - this does not in anyway make crime against anyone acceptable. If South Africans were to remove their racial oogklaps and get their government to do its job or quit as the constitution allows, SA would be a better place than even the ice cold Canada. Criminals and corrupt inept politicians exploits this persistent racial polarity that often enable them to get away with daylight murder by politicizing their evil acts and omissions. I can argue your points anytime!

      Ryan - 2010-11-27 03:03

      And if Canada wasnt so cold.... I guess we can play the IF game all day... Not sure if you were referring to me or to SA Canuck, but I was referring to the Canadian system. Not the South African. Trust me. Canadas application of the law isnt as rosy as you think. If you dont live here you wouldnt understand. Like Canada accepting everyone and their dog into the country, but discriminating against certain groups. Canada likes to be seen as multi cultural, and goes so far to prove their love for all races, to the point of actually marginalising against whites (And a few other groups as well) Case in point. When I did my citizinship exam, there was a Chinese woman, about 80 years old in front of me doing her exam. She couldnt read the exam. She kept turning the exam over before we were ready to begin, and the immigration officer had to keep turning it back over, and the officer kept yelling at her to stop toucing it. The old lady had no idea what was going on. In Canada you are required to write the exam in English or french. This lady spoke neither. Yet there she was at the swearing in ceremony a few weeks later. However, my uncle, a certified electricion, who has the money to move here, and is English, was not accepted into the country.

      SA Canuck - 2010-11-27 04:41

      Ryan you are correct. Canada's immigration system is flawed, there are immigrants that have arrived here who should not be here, no money, poor qualifications and speak neither English or French. Then there are people like your uncle, wrong skin colour, who has all the necessary credentials to make a positive contribution to this country.... and no they are not good enough. See what is happening in Germany and France because of attracting the wrong type of immimigrant....well North America must be carefull they don't go down the same disastrous path???

      FreeMan2 - 2010-11-27 06:56

      Hi SA Canuck and Ryan I disagree. Canada does not owe you, or in SA Cannucks uncle's case a living nor does it owe every white South African a living. How can you complain about the Tamils and then critisize this judgement. I am a also a white South African and happy to be here making a positive contribution to the country. While it is not perfect show me one place where it is. We get alot for our tax dollars and this is now may family's home. You know there are other countries you could have chosen to live, if you are so unhappy here there are other options. Brandon Huntley's case was flawed to begin with, it had no basis. How many black South Africans are also affected by crime ? Now that you are a citizen why do you not run for office and make the change to the country's immigration laws the democratic way.

      Roy - 2010-11-27 07:08

      @Moferefere - I have read the article, and I have read the immigration requirements, and lastly I have read the comments. You contradict yourself horrendously. So, lets start: ---------------------------------- "....a race card has no more legal potency in any civilized part of the world." You are wrong. New Zealand and Australia STILL accept non-white refugees from South Africa. When they arrive, they are given houses, cars, welfare, dole, food. One infected four Kiwi women with Aids. The government didn't even deport him. They also discovered he had 2 wives with a child each and 4 kids on the side (reminds me of someone.....), which he had not mentioned earlier. The government didn't even deport him. He was moved from job to job, and then tested, just to find he was not qualified or experienced in anything he claimed. The government didn't even deport him. ---------------------------------- "Albeit with serious teething problems including ... residual tribalism and racism." So you agree there is racism. Shoot man, you should have told the judge and government that - they don't think theres any such thing here. Thats why they requested it be overturned - or was it the embarrasment card in their hand.... ---------------------------------- "The judge in Canada simply applied the law blindly" Actually he didn't. Go read the page you advertise, and tell ME WHICH of those groupings and subsections the "refugee" failed in?? Nowhere does it say time in the country disallows you. Nowhere does it say looking for work disallows you. http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/inside/apply-who.asp ---------------------------------- "A race card has no value in this matter and it is not true that white people are exclusively targeted by black criminals in SA. Statistics show that the majority of the victims of crime are black people" Please state your facts and figures, even though you statement MIGHT be correct. If you are using SAPS or government derived figures, then you are going to be way off - whether correct or not in you allegation/assumpttion. If the statistics are taken (researched and vetted by an international investigative team looking into other allegations), the ratios of violent and excessive violent crimes show: crimes of blacks on blacks 121 000 of 44 000 000 = ratio pop.: 0.00275 % (1) daily: 20.83 % extraneous (torture): 1.54 % (2) crimes of whites on blacks 300 of 44 000 000 = ratio pop.: % daily: % extraneous (torture): % crimes of blacks on whites 53 600 of 4 000 000 = ratio pop.: 0.01116 % Over 4 times more (1) daily: 9.19 % extraneous (torture): 72.60 % Over 47 times more (2) crimes of whites on whites 60 of 4 000 000 = ratio pop.: % daily: % extraneous (torture): % Rebuffing the extinction ratio at the current rates of of these types of crime: Black extinction will occur: in 363.6 segments. White extinction will occur: in 74.6 segments. Segment is based on 5828 days (16 years), not relying on the elderly, sick, stupid, suicidal. Yep quite right, I don't see any SPECIAL tendancies of black on white crimes at all..... Twit!!!! "Under the ANC government, 174,000 people have already been murdered, of whom 50,000 were white South Africans, including more than 3,600 Afrikaner farmers." - Avigdor Eskin I have also not included the almost 6 000 000 self-displaced people (whites, coloureds, blacks, Indians, Chinese, Belgian, Dutch, French, British, Australian, New Zealand, American, etc.) through crimes against humanity and lack of rights - both civil and human!!!! ---------------------------------- "I can argue your points anytime!" ...and we are. I don't understand you and most others. You make the statement that you KNOW the government is corrupt and adheres to violence, yet you shout this issue down. One side of the fence mate!!! The way everyone jumps up and down against this guy failing to get refugee status is a double edged sword - those who want to get rid of the white populace, now cannot, and those whites who think they are going to live here for much longer, now don't have a doorway out. ---------------------------------- "There are many white people who benefit immensely from BEE, which does not occurs without a partnership of a white dominant shareholder (at least 77% shares), anyway. Very very few black people benefit from this BEE nonsense and you are exaggerating it because you look at it through racial oogklaps." I agree in ratio to the applicable populace, BEE only benefits the few. If you see the market sales of houses and cars for the last 10 years, as to who the purchasers were, and the values on expenditure, you need to come up with numbers here. Irrespective of populace ratios, the BEE'ers outshone the rest in numbers AND values of purchases. I can show you whole suburbs that have been purchasd by BEE money, and I can show you squatter camps caused by AA and BEE. The ratio there is about the same 600 000 BEE'ers and 800 000 employable (by law) squatters. I can also tell you that BEE has created so many black millionaires and billionaires in so short a time its frightening. At one point we were beating India's growth of Millionaires, even if it was for just a few weeks. Please show me figures for the whites that have gained from BEE, and I will personally make a point of publicising them. You are the one with "racial oogklaps". I don't see you writing an article denouncing non-white refugees (post 1994), or demand expats to come home - go ask the expats, they'll tell you to get stuffed. I have spoken to them. All I see is you denouncing another white trying to get his right to LIFE!!! ------------------------------------ "Huntley reasons for asking for refugee status are grossly inadequate in terms of the law in Canada, which complies with the Geneva Convention" Actually they fulfill the requirements. As to the convention statement listed on the page, he was within his bounds to. You don't seem to have read the page. Here's the link: http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/refugees/inside/apply-who.asp I seem to have missed or lost my grasp of English - people see things in documents I don't..... ------------------------------------ "he fact is that while crime is a menace in South Africa, there is not formal and structural persecution of white people in South Africa." I don't know where you live, but its NOT in South Africa!!! Affirmative Action, BLACK Equity Empowerment, Broad Based BLACK ..... I get the picture, why can't you??? oh yes, BLACK is not a colour, therefore not racist in allowing ONLY BLACKS to do this, BLACKS to do that, BLACKS to OWN 51% of your company, BLACKS to be given free this that and the next. Even crime has an organisation supporting them. And to boot, its run by a high level ANC member. Its called Blackwash - geddit?? BLACKWASH!!!! Its mate is called NSI - owned by the same person who does the printing for BLACKWASH. They hand out pamphlets to the poor black populace misinforming them (like you are doing here) about the failures of your beloved ANC as white induced. They also URGE the populace to take crime to the WHITES. ------------------------------------ Actually you bore me now..... I've got better things to do - like watch grass grow, listen to paint dry, make a sandwich, drink beer. You more than likely read this: BEE legalises theft (from blacks) by ANDILE MNGXITAMA (http://www.mg.co.za/article/2010-11-26-bee-legalises-theft-from-blacks), and thought you could come on here and sprout cr*p. This same author, read here for more on him: (http://afrikanerjournal.wordpress.com/anc-hate-speech-directed-at-afrikaners/). You would more than likely agree with what he says/said. So be it. I don't mind a good discussion, but you, like so many on the forums, watch the title role, and then think they know the whole movie. In my honest opinion, most of those who are bitching about the way BEE is not working for them, are too stupid to work out how to get around it, or are upset old Zoomie didn't personally give you a hand out and tuck you into bed every night. As for the rest of us..... Scratch Canada off the list. ANC c*cked that up for us.....

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-27 07:18

      @Roy Please provide source/link for those statistics? If you have a digital copy please mail it to: u4xneAPeStpLsFgA@doitat.onlatedotcom.info

      SA Canuck - 2010-11-27 07:52

      FreeMan2, you are missing the point! I'm very happy in Canada, the point I'm trying to make is, certain groups get in much easier than others, whether they qualify or not.I was actually referring to Ryan's uncle not mine, read my comment properly instead of trying to critize our points of view!!!!

      shaunnettem - 2010-11-27 08:11

      @SA Canuck - how sad is your statement - you left SA for the same reasons and now feel it in another country and boehoe they are treating the white man sooo bad. I am sure "they" in that other country never look at the world through your black and white eyes and that "they" make decisions purely on a right/wrong basis! Race never crept into "their" decision, but you are such a racist yourself that you will feel the whole world is against the white man no matter where you live. You were probably a racist in SA and now you are one in your new country because it is in your heart! @ Ryan - the mere fact that you refer to to other people as "tamil tigers" shows what you are. And then you dare go into country and expect them to treat you better....

      kabelo - 2010-11-27 08:37

      @Roy. I must say your arguments are pretty good. Your statistics are sound, but one thing. Your statistics suggest black crime on white occurs more than black on black. Just remember, those statistics are the reported ones. Most white people will report a crime to police, because mostly insurance plays a role, and the average white person is more educated. There are thousands of incidents in townships and squatter camps that are not part of your statistics, because many black people are not educated, or the crimes are happening between people who know each other, and they will just leave it. The other thing people forget, is that their perceptions are created from media. Newspapers like Rapport/Beeld/Burger serves the white Afrikaans community mostly. Therefore, white murders and white attacks are being highligted (understandable), giving the impression that the only crimes are black on white, and that black people are targeting white people. I personally know of brutal black on black rapes/murders that did not even get to the newspapers. But the bottom line is, SA defenitely has a challenge when it comes to crime. Your comment about structured percecution of whites. The thing I find strange, is white people never complained during apartheid about racial preference, and when blacks complained, they were ignored (well beaten, shot and ignored), but now that whites are on the recieving end, suddenly everybody cries out. Is that not hypocrytical?

      FreeMan2 - 2010-11-27 08:45

      Hi SA Canuck and Ryan I think you guys have it wrong. I am also a white South African living in Canada and think Brandon Huntly should be sent home as soon as possible. The world does not owe us a living and we have a huge chip on our shoulders if we think it does. Agreed Canada is not perfect but Canada never asked you to live here, it was your choice and you do have other options. We get alot for our tax dollars and Ryan if you are so concerned about the Tamils you are a hypocrite if you support someone like Huntly. The rejection has nothing to do with race, it has do with due legal process.

      shaunnettem - 2010-11-27 09:33

      @Freeman2 - I wish there was a like button - I like your thinking and wish you all the best where you are. I really hope all expats do not go into other countries with chips on their shoulders like Ryan and SA Canuck. Thinking the world owes them something. Now I understand why other countries have such a low opinion of SA - it is because of people like those two!

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 10:23

      @Freeman2 - thanks for clear, sober and rational views. Our fellow South Africans are struggling badly to lead a normal life in a free and democratic country that South Africa is. Like an animal that has been subdued for a long time, chained to a pole, we have no idea that there is a world beyond the circle within which we have been forced to live all along prior to 1994. We have become tame and timid, with no hope of taking the advantages of freedom. The ANC is a sitting political duck and they can be taken away from the management of our affairs and economy easily. However, they are kept in power because for the majority, the alternative is perceived as the return of apartheid. This is precisely because the bulk of opposition to the ANC is heavily dosed with the kind of racism that one observes in this forum, anger that is mistakenly directed at black people while intended for the ruling political culprits who are not even an exclusively black entity. I have always thought that white people have a better advantage to adjust to a normal life in a democratic society that has embraced the values of human rights in its law and order because of a better education that was reserved for them in the past. I was wrong. Of all the demands that South Africans are entitled to make to the government of the day, the one of re-education for life in a human rights-based society with diverse cultural background and historical crap of dehumanization, appears to be urgent.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-27 10:32

      @kabelo I had several items stolen from my house on a number of occasions, which I did not report to the Police. Once I reported a crime and it took 2 hrs for the police officer (who I assume is illiterate) to document the facts which lasted no longer than 3 minutes. I would tell her the people broke in at 6:45 and she would write 2:10. Then I'd ask her what I said, then I'd ask her what she wrote, then she'd get upset with me. This sort of thing kept happening, she was actually making up her own story and I realised I just better leave before she locks me up. She started with the race card thing, I don't know if she was really mentally handicapped, uneducated or trying to elicit a response from me. Since that experience I stopped reporting crimes. Still - I don't know where Roy gets those numbers from, I would like to see it.

      Roy - 2010-11-27 13:04

      @Arthur Phili- again read the article, find the quotes from another person listing the numbers, followed by his name .... Starts with an A.... V... sod that I am not spoon feeding you. @Moferefere - Actually AGAIN you are wrong.... crimes of blacks on blacks 121 000 of 44 000 000 = ratio pop.: 0.00275 % (1) daily: 20.83 % <============================================= extraneous (torture): 1.54 % (2) crimes of whites on blacks 300 of 44 000 000 = ratio pop.: % daily: % extraneous (torture): % crimes of blacks on whites 53 600 of 4 000 000 = ratio pop.: 0.01116 % Over 4 times more (1) daily: 9.19 % <============================================= This is why BEE or whatever is a failure. You gotta do everything for them.... Even read!!! Quick to come up here and act intelligent, but hell man.... do I have to do everything for you...... Gotta go watch more paint dry..... seriously, and we wonder why South Africa is like this???

      Roy - 2010-11-27 13:06

      Apologies Moferefere - meant to be for Kabelo. Mo, I owe you a coke and fries.

      black-basher - 2010-11-27 13:53

      guys, can someone please foward these lovely stats to the Canadian government....i'm looking for a job and hear that Canada is nice...these stats will certainly put us at an advantage because we'd come accross as victims....

      Perfume - 2010-11-27 19:11

      He is Coloured that pretended to be white, and when his race was exposed in the papers, he tried denying it lmao!!!!!!!

      kabelo - 2010-11-27 20:53

      @Roy. Why am I wrong? And where did I not read correctly?

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-27 21:40

      @Roy You lose all credibility when you fail to provide a reference for your numbers and when you resort to personal insults when asked for references. Did you make those numbers up? Source/link/reference!

      Roy - 2010-11-27 22:21

      @Arthur Phili - ...and you lose all source of credibility when you DON'T read the whole thing.... Once more for you: "Under the ANC government, 174,000 people have already been murdered, of whom 50,000 were white South Africans, including more than 3,600 Afrikaner farmers." - Avigdor Eskin

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-27 22:50

      @Roy Just saying his name is not a reference. Avigdor Eskin often makes statements and provides no verifiable evidence to confirm his claims. Therefore whatever he says I just can't believe, which is why I thought he could not possibly be your source of information. Where do you get the statistics of "crimes of blacks on blacks" etc from? Reference it, as in provide me with something I can audit? Otherwise it is just a random opinion with no substance. I found it difficult to read your post, too many emotional statements, the hurtling of personal insults is an indication of a person trying to seem tough so that nobody opposes him. If someone does they get more insulting because they are trying to hide something. What are you hiding?

      FreeMan2 - 2010-11-28 18:23

      @SA Canuck. Regardless if it is Ryan's uncle or yours you agree with him, and you call the judge an idiot. The thing is you are pulling the race card when due legal process is taking place in a free and fair country. As far countries go you will not find much better than Canada when it comes to equality, though I would like to encourage you to try. Because it does not meet you racial quota's you complain. South Africans come here expecting the world to be handed on platter but complain when they are treated like everyone else and a legal process is followed.

      FreeMan2 - 2010-11-28 18:28

      @Ryan. Ja boet and they accepted you too. I think your comments are racist, not wonder you have a problem here. I see people comming from all over the world here, legally. They have to learn English, re-educate themselves at there own costs, as you know how difficult it is to get a job without a Canadian qualification, guess what, never heard one complaint. In particular the Asians, they get on with it a make a success of their move.

      tomanic22 - 2010-11-28 20:20

      @freeman, your finger is really not on the pulse of Canada. Race is still a big deal here with every minority group complaining constantly about the racist government and police force etc. The result is a painfully politically correct society where people do need to take race into account when making decisions like this whole Huntley drama. THat being said, I think his case was seriously flawed. Had he approached the situation differently, he may have received protected person status.

      Fanie - 2010-11-29 10:09

      @SA Canuck, You are being emotional for nothing...I could also say that if the guy that killed Kebble was black, would have have been found guilty!..how can a judge in Canada descriminate against a white guy ..and get away with it?? Try and be rational in your thought process...

      Dewet - 2010-11-29 15:26

      @Moferefere I get so angry at these type of comments that better education was reserved for the white man. Mostly because if I reply, there is no other way than interpreting my statements as racist. When Van Riebeeck arrived here in 1652, your culture did not have the written word. You did not have plumbing. You did not have proper housing. You did not have evolved medicine. You did not have mathematics. You did not have education even remotely close to the standards of Europe. Go look at ancient roman/ Chinese/ Indian/ Japanese culture and how evolved they were thousands of years ago. The evil white man did not hold your culture back- he propelled you many centuries into the future. He did not hold you back. Go stay in Ethiopia, which was only colonized for 2 years, if you want the unspoilt effect. Trust me; SA is not such a terrible place to be staying in. You were not held back. You started from centuries behind without anybodies' assistance.

      Moferefere - 2010-11-30 01:34

      @Dewet If your comments are anything to go by, I am afraid you are very prejudiced for the following reasons: 1. You do not know me but based on some assumptions the details of which are only known by you, you assign some medieval culture as belonging to me. 2. Out of appalling ignorance, you assert that indigenous Africans did not have any knowledge systems that include mathematics and technology. This is a bigoted lie that has been peddled over the centuries and has since been exposed by studies that prove the contrary. Much as my culture is in the now, shaped by advances in science and technology, I know of my ancestry that have ancient Egyptian, Mid-African (that contribute a great to the development of Mathematical Sciences) and Celtic (that contributed to technology and modern culture considerably. The fact is colonization in the last 350 years in South Africa subjugated indigenous people and stunted their evolutionary progress. AS recently as the 1970's, apartheid government spent much less on educating a black child than a white one, with 80% population having to make do with half a medical school at Wentworth! Just count the number of engineering faculties and universities that were reserved for white students and compare to the ones for blacks, you will see the sabotage of racism in the past and the extent to which we must fix the mess. Stop being an ostrich and raise your head to reality. For proper history lessons, visit the following for a start: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgnmT-Y_rGQ&feature=related

      Dewet - 2010-11-30 07:04

      @Moferefere You are missing my point. Your culture was light years behind with regards to educational systems and technology. Just compare the boats that the settlers arrived in to your own variety. Guns, machinery etc. Visit any museum or ask any person clued up on your culture. I am not saying this is bad. My ancestors were the barbarians conquered by the Romans. So, judging by that label, they were also not very educated, ITO western or eastern standards, at one stage. What I'm saying is that you cannot blame a culture for everything that you perceive as being such a hold back for you when it was not. Travel the rest of Africa and see how much you were held back. You cannot happily draw all the daily benefits from a system which you also blame for all your failures. You cannot have your cake and eat it. That's all I'm saying. Your culture had no written word. How can you now blame the very cultures that introduced it to you as holding you back? Without being emotional, I find it very illogical. I understand this is a sensitive issue, but you are in charge of your destiny. All South Africans have a brilliant starting point compared to other countries in Africa. Then again, I know I would have felt differently had I been on the other side of the debate.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-30 12:18

      @Moferefere http://jmm.aaa.net.au/articles/321.htm What do you make of the above article? South Africa's Human Development Index was doing quite well in 1994. Since 1994 its been stagnant. South Africa was arguably a better place to live pre-1994 than most African countries, certainly better than those independent the longest (Congo) and Ethiopia (not colonized) and Liberia (freed slave nation). I'm thinking the NP/Apartheid government was terrible. That being said they did grant Bantu Africans homelands and the right to self-rule and self-determination. Like other African nations these homelands never developed. The NP/Apartheid government made no secret that Bantu Africans was of little concern to them, yet they provided a much higher quality of life then (according to HDI measures) than the ANC does now (which claims to uphold majority rights). I'm not justifying the past, I'm asking you what is the alternative/better history you would have had if South Africa was under democratic majority rule since 1910 or even 1948?

  • rbldblo - 2010-11-27 00:42

    The judge's reasoning is sound and he makes it clear that if Huntley had not delayed his application for refugee status for so long it would have been granted to him.This means his application was credible and thus granted but once the diplomatic issues began they had to find some kind of issue to justify it's withdrawal.The fact still remains that BEE (a racist policy) is still in place in SA and only benefits a group of people based on their skin color.

      alfred - 2010-11-27 01:28

      I agree. The moment I get my crib in Upper Claremont, my kids can get a Citi Golf for their 21st and my "lawyer" has their trust funds set up, I want nothing to do with these racist policies since I detest them. I worked very hard for my money and even though no-one else was allowed to compete with me, my money and property was all of my own making.

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 01:29

      There are many white people who benefit immensely from BEE, which does not occurs without a partnership of a white dominant shareholder (at least 77% shares), anyway. Very very few black people benefit from this BEE nonsense and you are exaggerating it because you look at it through racial oogklaps. Huntley reasons for asking for refugee status are grossly inadequate in terms of the law in Canada, which complies with the Geneva Convention. The fact is that while crime is a menace in South Africa, there is not formal and structural persecution of white people in South Africa. There is certainly a crap approach to leveling the playing field in term of the social and economic development that was upset by past institutional racism. Regrettably, looking at any societal challenges in South Africa through the racial oogklaps does not help but make the matters worse.

      Roy - 2010-11-27 07:16

      @Moferefere - Actually its 51% handover with BBBEEE, get your facts straight!!!

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-30 12:29

      @Roy Frankly I don't believe a word you say because you can't provide proof of numbers when asked. Here you are again, where is the proof of your claims that it is 51%? As far as I can determine Moferefere works for the government, in tenders (might be completely wrong here) but surely he would know then? Moferefere makes some valid points, hope he continues to be active online.

  • Mathieu - 2010-11-27 06:19

    @ Joe: come on buddy, I know you can do it....use what little brain cells you can muster and think about the utter tripe you've written. It is idiots like you that give South Africans a bad name.

      Roy - 2010-11-27 07:22

      @Mathieu, at least he's got braincells. I've been there, watched it, and the repercussions - and that from 2000 to 2008. Its actually IDIOTS LIKE YOU who allow others to give South Africa a bad name, by b*llsh*t and liberlal blindness. If we could ALL wake up, return from La-La Land, maybe we could do something about it. When you live behind 14 foot wall, live under 24 hour security, work from home, have privatised police, sip tea at protected malls, you become blind to reality, and Joe is right, it DOES happen. You a buddy of Moferefere? Brother? Sister? People without FACTS / evidence or never partake, should rather stay home and watch telly....

      Mathieu - 2010-11-27 09:49

      @Roy: Idiots like me? I was merely pointing out that Joe is an idiot for saying "those damned BLACKS" and how idiotic it was of him to say that it's racist against whites that this Huntley fellow had his refugee status revoked in Canada. It only takes a bit of common sense to realize he was talking absolute dribble. It's rather humorous that you went off on a tangent about facts/evidence/liberal blindness and a whole bunch of unrelated stuff in relation to my previous post. Vent away, I can't wait for your reply. I hope you can respond to my actual writings and not whatever other random thoughts appear in your head. Peace, I'm off to hug a tree with my black girlfriend.

      Roy - 2010-11-27 13:16

      @Mathieu Its wrong of him to use racial slurs, I agree, and it is RACIST that the government (ANC) asked another government to retract it. There are post 1994 BLACK refugees in New Zealand and Australia, yet the government has never asked for their refugee retraction. That makes it racist, and HOMOPHOBIC. "It only takes a bit of common sense to realize he was talking absolute dribble." - A public challenge. I say you cannot survive (if white) for a month in my house without violence being relayed to your person. Lets see how much you dribble by the end of the second week!!!!

      Mathieu - 2010-11-27 19:29

      @ Roy: I'm glad we can agree that racial slurs are completely unacceptable. Back before '94 things were completely different, making a comparison between now and then is like comparing apples and pears. People like to make these comparisons, but I'm of the opinion that these kinds of comparisons are irrelavant due to the ever changing political landscape in "our" country. The best thing that could have happened for South Africa was Huntley having his previous judgment overturned. On your point about living in your house and surviving. I’m not sure how being white has anyhing to do with it. I lived in SA for 24 years out of the 27 years of my life and I know that crime doesn't know race. I have white, coloured, black, Indian and expat friends who are all affected by crime the same as the next guy. Criminals are after money and expensive profitable looting, thus why us whites, who have the majority of the wealth in SA, are more affected by crime, than say our fellow black South Africans (we also have enough money to be able to voice these opines on the internet). I find that people on this site are not open to listening to others who might have different opinions to that of their own. This is why I normally refrain from posting, hence I won't even bother replying to the neanderthal; "black-basher". I will say however that, yes, this is a South African site in its roots, but it’s an international website too, and for that very reason I hang my head in shame that people like, "black-basher," are able to add their two cents on it. P.S. Homophobic; means to have a fear of homosexuals and homosexuality. Perhaps xenophobic is what was meant to be said?

      Mathieu - 2010-11-28 09:23

      @ black-basher, aka neanderthal man: No one accused you of being a racist. Although, your jumping on the defensive implies a guilty conscience. Judging by the tone of your comments, I'm sure people can draw their own conclusions? Just what were you implying when you said, "this website is ours"? Ahh, you employ two black people, pay them and let them into your house; WOW, so unbelievably benevolent of you, maybe we could nominate you for a Nobel Peace Prize or something. A sad, angry man. I could almost feel sympathetic for your hopeless ignorance. Why don't you come hug some trees with my friends and me? It might be educational for you and save you from your miserable plight. Peace,

      jsvisagie - 2010-11-29 07:04

      @Mathieu,you must surely see that a lot of the crime committed against white SA's is very violent. I believe that a lot of people will would have stayed in SA if it was merely the odd bicycle or car that was stolen but to bash in a year-old white baby's head while robbing a house is unacceptable! Excuse me for not taking pity on the black maid and excuse my stating of race in this specific incident (Marizaan Kruger) but she let the creatures into the house. Justified or not, there is a lot of hatred that is directed at white South Africans, whether we want to admit it or not. Even though I can not prove it with written statistics (because including colour when reporting crimes is apparently racist)it is easy to see from news articles that the most violent of violent crimes are committed by black on white. I do not have time or the patience to go look for all the incidents of violent crimes that occured during this year alone but, you can easily check it out on the iol website. If the criminals are caught it is usually very easy to deduce from the names that they are black. I started out a very happy-go-lucky guy in this New South Africa (I was 18 when Mandela was elected as president), but in the meantime I have had my car and house broken into 11 times in a 5-year period (2002-2007 PTA), had my car broken into 7 times in one year (1996 while I was student at the Vaal Tringle tech) and also had two cars stolen. When does one stop and realise that you are at the shortest end?

      nuclear - 2010-11-29 11:42

      No Visagie, I don't see that a lot of crime against Whites are violent, I see that a lot of crime is violent irrespective of race. Whites have it the same as everyone else! Go play your race card somewhere else!

  • Pop Idol - 2010-11-27 07:50

    If this guy gets killed in South Africa,theres going to be SERIOUS international trouble

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 10:37

      Rubbish. On what basis would this happen? I doubt is 0.0001% of Canadians will even notice such an event.

      Roy - 2010-11-27 13:17

      Oh hell yeah!!!

      William - 2010-11-27 21:49

      I will and it wont be nice!

      Pop Idol - 2010-11-27 22:00

      @Moferefere ,U think the world isnt watching? If this Huntley guy gets murdered,there will either be a push for whites to leave SA as refugees or for a break away republic in western south africa.And then all the blacks and indians can live happily ever after in eastern south africa while the whites and coloured live in luxury in western south africa.

      jsvisagie - 2010-11-29 07:10

      Moferefere, there will most definitely be an international outcry if, God forbid, this should happen. I for one, as I think thousands of other's, will make sure that it gets highlighted in the international arena.

      Hannes Perth - 2010-11-29 07:43

      @Pop Idol. The world care less about South Africa than you think.

  • Tariq - 2010-11-27 07:59

    Brandon Huntley is in denial and a disgrace to many in his family for talking such utter nonesence. Though he is white in appearance the majority of his direct family is black. His great great grandmother was born a Colured slave and married an English soldier at the time if the Eastern Cape War of the Axe. His grandmother's DNA is in fact West African. The family lived in Cala in the Eastern Cape and had six children, one of whom was his great grandmother. They were quite comfortable and integrated with the people in Thembuland and spoke isiXhosa and lived long lives. Mr Haddon died at the age 0f 100 in Cala. Mary Anne Haddon one of the daughters married another English (Boer war) soldier William Huntley who was hospiralised in Mthatha and they moved to Cape Town. William abandoned Mary Anne and returned to England after having six children with her. One of these was Brandon Huntley's grandfather, Bob Huntley. Many of Brandon's uncles, aunts and cousins are Coloured South African's and in his own generation his cousins continue to inter-marry with other national groups from which a new generation of children are being born including amaXhosa, Griqua, Nama, Indian, Coloured and white. These clearly do not share this so-called fear of Black people. He is just a silly opportunist young man who should get to understand his family history better and stop fabricating stories for selfish ends. The newspapers have exposed this side of Huntley in blazing headlines.

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 11:01

      Very informative contribution. If the refugee board of Canada had this information at the outs, Huntley would not be even granted an interview. He and his crooked lawyer obviously drew wool all over their faces for them to make a crap decision that was thankfully reversed. Many South Africans have the diverse ancestry as Huntley and the whole idea of racial classification and preferential treatment of races has screwed many souls. Some years ago in Germany, I met a beautiful white South African woman with a black daughter and white son. Being a product of apartheid, I was embarrassingly quick to believe that she had adopted the girl, after all she was a wealthy and kind professional lady. I was completely wrong, the girl was her own and the reason for her white husband to divorce before she emigrated. She knew her ancestral history and told me of many more similar stories. Instead of being bitter, she seemed to have shed the burden of the hue of her skin, volunteered her medical services to less fortunate communities and brought up the most two beautiful persons I have evermet all by herself. Their hearts would be broken by this Huntley saga and many racist comments that are being spewed in this forum. Thanks for the information, Tariq. We need more informative facts such as these before we make our often lousy opinions about matters of race and culture. A lot that was hidden from us during the many years of institutional racism is key to normal life after apartheid.

      Tariq - 2010-11-27 19:26

      None so blind as those that do not wish to see Mr Black Basher. Whether Huntley likes it or not he has West African genes and comes from a majority black family background and his current generation of family is 70% proudly black. The facts are there for all to see in the family records. Huntley's one cousin lives in Khayalitsha married to an amaXhosa woman and has 2 children. Another lives in Rocklands, Mitchells Plain, married to a Nama woman with 2 children. His father's brother is married to a Coloured woman.... I can go on and on. Brandon Huntley has taken you all for a ride with his lies. But most people in the world know that there are a core group of ignorant white South Africans who will always wallow in Ignorance as Bliss. You dont want to face up to the truth. The icon of the white racists is a confidence trickster who so desparately wanted a job in Canada that he made up a whole lot of tall stories claiming lily white status and oppression as a so-called 'white settler' persecuted by black people. The existence of all of his own black, coloured, indian and white family members living in harmony contradicts his nonsense.His cousin in Khayelitsha is as fair in pigmentation as he is and is never called a settler dog. He is embraced by all around him and he is prepared to work at any job he is offered. He is much poorer than Brandon but is supported by his loving family and is not lazy to work, nor wants special priviledges just because of his pale pigmentation.

      Tariq - 2010-11-27 19:29

      Old Ma Mary Anne Huntley and Old Ma Francina Haddon van der Kaap must be rolling in their graves in shame at the antics of Brandon Huntley at the shame his brought on the family and our country.

      black-basher - 2010-11-27 20:44

      @ Tariq: i'm not racist at all, son! its just an opinion from a White south african man...i have a black friend, Jambulini, and we get on like house on fire. one of my cousins even impragnated a black maid, to add on....and every time i go and visit him, i buy a sack of mielie meal for him to give to the baby mother. so, lets go with facts and stop pointing fingers like kidsds...have a close look at Athur Phil's stats and see what you make of them...the truth hurts, sometimes!!! oh by the way, have you heard of www.sowetan.co.za?

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 20:44

      "...He is embraced by all around him and he is prepared to work at any job he is offered. He is much poorer than Brandon but is supported by his loving family and is not lazy to work, nor wants special priviledges just because of his pale pigmentation..." Touché!

      Zion - 2010-11-28 10:27

      Tariq: Just for interest sake. Early Dutch families who came over and opened up this country for development are today a mixed race. The Bantu blood in the descendents of these people, today, is only 6%. That is the Afrikaner. The question is where would you place the percentage to reclassify them as black?

      Tariq - 2010-11-28 11:12

      @Zion... Classification is a load of racist Apartheid crap. Afrikaners would find true liberation if they could embrace their black African roots which history, family genealogies and DNA show to be fact. (By the way the percentages are much greater than 6%. The is an erroneous fact derived from 6% of settlers back in early settlement days having formal relationships with indigenes and slaves.) In terms of race classification which I dont believe in, Afrikaners would not be seen as White but rather as Quadroons - a step up from being Mestizo - what in Colonial days was called "having a touch of the tar". The issue is however not about concepts of race or percentages, but about a state of mind. As Bob Marley and Steve Biko said..." None but ourselves can free our minds" People dont need to be classified and there is nothing to stop Afrikaners celebrating the black African heritage that runs through their veins and even their culture. They simply have to shed this notion of white purity and superiority. It is then that they will find that their Indigene African brothers will embrace them and a common nationhood can be forged. They are Eur-Africans as much as Coloured people are Creole-Africans and Indians Indo-African.There are many who are doing this and find liberation in the process. In Huntley's case we are not talking about early settlement history - His Coloured great great grandmother with an indigene African bloodline died in 1914, and his great grandmother in 1958.

      Picasso - 2010-11-29 07:46

      With the comments Huntley made against black South Africans, and bearing in mind many of his family members are black, Huntley won't be very popular with his family, talk about a cold return!

      Zion - 2010-11-29 11:26

      I stand by my stated 6%. Research has proven that as correct . Unfortunately I cannot recall the website. People want to be classified even if it only gives them a sense of belonging to a certain group. I suggest you try your argument on an American Indian and see what happens. These people want to be that and only that. A converse question I pose to you then: I am a white South African and prefer to be that so how will you classify me now.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-30 12:04

      @Zion http://www.africandna.com/ScienPapers/Deconstructing_Jaco_Genetic_Heritage_of_an_Afrikaner.pdf

  • shaunnettem - 2010-11-27 08:02

    Welcome back friend. Hope you will be welcomed with open arms. You brought it on yourself.

  • mullervince - 2010-11-27 08:55

    Some years ago we lived in a 1st world - respect for yourselve and co-citizens, pride, good public transport, well organised government, well diciplined military, police, etc, excellent government hospitals, world wide recognised school and Varsities for the high standard of qualifications, free of drugs, and a safe country to live in. That we used to call civilised. With statistics showing the alarming murders on one of the minority races in the country, the "whites", I think like many other whites in SA, our basic rights are being denied in this country (BEE, the crime rate, etc) and Huntley have the right to refugee status.

      my opinion - 2010-11-27 09:53

      Perhaps you should read "Time Bomb" By Johan Marais. A Policeman in Apartheid South Africa's account of what happened in the police force then. The murders; the theft & corruption by the police, including himself. I think it will paint a very different picture to the wonderful South Africa you are quoting. Remember now everyone is watching the Government, with the previous regime no one questioned them. We were taught the blacks were the enemy and most people just followed blindly and never questioned anything. Yes things are far from right now, crime is out of control and so is corruption, but the previous government was just as bad, just never exposed. It just depends on which side you are standing. Blacks were killed, locked up and shot at for nothing. No, two wrongs make a right, but to blindly believe there was no cover ups in the previous government is just so wrong. And you know black people do have feelings and to generalize and label all blacks as criminals and murderers is just so wrong and says a lot for a lot of people's morals on this forum . No doubt this comment will be removed, because people do not like hearing about how the afrikaans government treated everyone else, but it is fine to say terrible things about innocent black people. Judge people on their morals not the colour of their skin.

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 11:14

      Rubbish. Life under apartheid was medieval and there was certainly no respect for black co-citizens. The same could be said for Nazism and thanks God both despicable forms of cruelty against humanity were flushed away from the face of the earth. BEE, AA or any crap policy like that are the results of a civilized political process in which white people have been rendered a minority player precisely because of the residue of classification of people in terms of race. If you want to change the status quo in a civilized manner, join DA or Azapo or any other lousy minority party and work for the unification of the opposition to the dominant ANC and get them out of Parliament. Lamenting the demise of apartheid is shameful and will only make your life even more miserable anywhere on earth. The constitution of South Africa protects the interests of everyone equally - use it to your advantage because skin colour is no longer of any useful consequence in the 21st century.

      Spyker May - 2010-11-27 14:44

      Moferefere, Interesting then how the current ANC government (i.e. the BEE regime, aka the Africa’s BEE Aristocracy – as dubbed by a Kenyan journalist) are employing near verbatim policies as the Nazi regime used against the (perceived wealthy) Jewish minority in Germany..?!? A minority equally perceived to have benefitted unfairly from previous policies – just an observation, bru...

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 16:04

      Spyker May I cannot answer for the ANC (which I believe is non-racial but Arrogant, Corrupt and very Nasty), but if they are violating the rights of any individual in the Republic, the law prohibits that and they as government may be dragged to Court to answer. I have read some cases of discrimination of whites from promotion in public service. In most cases, the discriminated complainant won their case against the offending government department. Nazi Germany and the persecuted Jews are a different cattle of fish, more akin to apartheid where there was no Bill of Rights and a national constitution that is based on the principles of the United Nation's Declaration of Human Rights, to which the post-apartheid South Africa is signatory.

      Zion - 2010-11-27 16:43

      my opinion, It is so easy to make up bulldust stories of a bygone era. Why does this policeman guy not tell us the facts himself. Is he perhaps too scared or simply lying. When Steve Beko was killed the government made practically everything available to the press. You and others will probably deny this statement. Those years there was no TV where I was resident only radio and newspapers yet the news was not quashed from above. An untruth like this does not put the ANC and its cadres in a mellower light or in anyway mitigate their actions and the results we are seeing today. Two wrongs don't makea right. For your information what we knew then coincides to what has been "discovered" today. There were atrocities, granted, but they were perpetrated by both sides. Remember:African history is propagated by word of mouth. Police are corrupt. Corruption by cops is international. It would be interesting to see statistics of that aspect on an international level. A commissioner of..................and interpol....

      Fanie - 2010-11-29 10:24

      @Mullervince...that was long time ago...when close to 90% of the population when not treated as human but slaves of the privileged few. At least the ANC is now accomodating level headed white people in spite of square heads like you..

      Picasso - 2010-11-30 07:52

      Zion "When Steve Beko was killed the government made practically everything available to the press." That is utter noncence, the government told the press that Biko died of natural cources, Helen Zille was the reporter that broke the story with clever journalism and left many red faces in government, get your facts straight.

      wer.pretorius - 2010-11-30 09:50

      Hahaha! Classic Name Spyker May... :-)

  • wvaneeden23 - 2010-11-27 09:16

    I think he should stay there and what he said is true here in SA u DO NOT get employment if u are white BEE and affirmitive action is all for blacks and again he is telling the truth we whites are getting killed here in SA i think someone must send all the farm killings to Canada so that they can see the fear we live in even our children cant go to school in peace theres always fights because whites can not accept blacks in our school it will never stop.

      my opinion - 2010-11-27 10:00

      And what makes you think the schools belong to the whites. They belong to everyone in south africa. stop teaching your children all your racist ways and beliefs and then they will be able to go to school in peace like most of our children do

  • Fred - 2010-11-27 09:17

    Isn't it pathetic that a widely-respected country like Canada hasn't got the guts to stand up to a bubnch of corrupt thugs like the ANC, or that they cannot see through the bullshit spouted continuously by the ANC spin-doctors. SHAME ON YOU CANADA !!!!!!!

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 11:31

      The judges decision has nothing to do with what the ANC said -it has to do with proper interpretation of the Canadian law. Besides, despite its huge failures, corruption and ineptitude, the diplomatic position of the South African government on the matter of Huntley was spot on. It was not the ANC that communicated the concerns of the South Africans about this matter, it was the government of South Africa and their validity could not be ignored by the Canadians. That is why the Canadian government referred the matter to Court. It was not a political matter - it was a matter of international law.

      Spyker May - 2010-11-27 14:35

      Moferefere, Denial is not de river in Egypt. Irrespective how the “Canadian law” was- or was not interpreted in this case, the stark fact is, the latest round in the Huntley case is a direct consequence of the SA government’s (and frankly my friend that is the ANC) involvement. I know I am offering a stretch to the parallel thinking faculties, but would the BEE aristocracy be able to continue unabated, if they are found out by the rest of the world..? The ANC is not the only government to have done this recently, they learnt from the Sri-Lankan government – refer to the recent case of app 500 Tamil refugees deported from Canada.

      FreeMan2 - 2010-11-28 18:36

      Hi Fred have you ever been to Canada ? It does seem you are talking from a point of ignorance. In a free and democratic the government is obliged to follow the law, that is why I love it here. Judges do not critized for decisions that the government disagrees with, the law is the law buddy. I think the judges decision is right and even when the initial decision was made I discussed it with Canadians here and dissagreed with it. I am sorry your free trip to Canada, on my tax dollar has been denied, I am for one happy it is been cancelled though as my money can be spent on better things.

  • wvaneeden23 - 2010-11-27 09:25

    One more thing why cant he stay there SA opend the gates to ALL Zimbabwiers refugees to stay and work in SA so why cant we run to another place to stay and work there come on CANADA give him work and a place to stay its right thing to do SA sucks to much crime and the our goverment steals money like theres no tommorow corruption is SAs new LAW

  • stephen.cole1 - 2010-11-27 10:15

    Criminals , Governed by criminals ! What else would you expect !

  • Brendon - 2010-11-27 10:34

    Any black person who flee's to Europe gets an automatic grant it seems. 'Oh poor sod are you from Rwanda etc, come live here' They used the exact same excuse Huntley did (founded or unfounded). How some of you can blame Huntley for getting the balls most of us secretly dream about doing, oh but wait, youre the guys with british passports. If you feel unsafe walking to the garage 2 minutes away, theres definitely something not right here and I dont see why we have to suck it up any longer. I hope more white people apply for refugee status as it is a totally reasonable request.

      kabelo - 2010-11-27 11:02

      Brendon. "I hope more white people apply for refugee status as it is a totally reasonable request." How is it reasonable? Have anyone done research (like go to prisons, and interview black criminals to find out why they commit crime, is it racially motivated? Do they specifically target whites because of race or because of wealth?) to conclude that blacks target whites because of race? Do you know that in Soweto black people break into black people's homes? And steal their goods? And assault them? This happen everywhere. It is not just white people who suffer from crime. Because most crimes reported in the media are black on white, now you automatically conclude black people just target whites. After I pointed out yesterday to a commentator that not all black people are criminals (like many white people believe), the commentator Cynical yesterday told me he agree, but that 99.9% of black people are criminals. I challenge you, go speak to black people, and you will find out they suffer from crime just as you. So to apply for refugee status is rediculous. Yes, crime is a problem, but for ALL races and creeds, not just white people.

      Brendon - 2010-11-27 13:31

      &Kabelo yes everyone suffers from crime, but unlike the black people, we have zero way/power of rectifying it. 1. Absorb it or 2. Leave (through any means possible). You guys have the voting power and therefore cannot complain since you reinstate the same goverment over and over. We dont have any voting power, so our hands are totally tied, hence people having to resort to ways to find a safer enviroment for themselves and loved ones. Forget Huntley, Im sure he is an opportunist etc, but when push comes to shove and a man feels he isnt safe anymore, he should be able to have the choice of finding a safer home or having the feeling that he has some power of rectifying it. The majority of the country does have this power, unfortunately theyre not willing to use it.

      black-basher - 2010-11-27 16:05

      yes, youre right, mate!! my friend's uncle once to the UK, heathrow, and once there he straight away claimed assylum on the grounds that he feared a black man......guess what, his application was sadly turned down and a nest flight was booked for him to return back home...had it been a black man saying he fears a white man, they'd have let him through, isint it? anyway, he's now busy working on plan B...which is looking for lonely European women on the internet....to hopefully sweet-chat, marry and get a visa......!!!

      Anne - 2010-11-27 18:57

      Kabelo, I hear what you say and agree with a lot of it. But did you know that in many farm murder cases hardly anything is stolen? In many cases these white people are tortured, raped and butchered by young, black men in the most cruel, heinous ways possible. What they do in some cases is simply too savage and barbaric to divulge here. If nothing or very little is stolen, why kill people like that? What motivates them to do this? It is clearly an emotion, and that emotion is pure hatred. Racial hatred, no matter how you cut it. The facts speak for themselves. Nobody is going to admit that they kill because they hate white people, so the research will be flawed. One has to be fair to both sides. White people certainly have more than enough reason to be scared of black people. It is a pity that the majority, black and white alike, just want to live in peace and harmony, but that they are held hostage by the lawlessness, corruption and entitlement of a morally bankrupt minority.

      AlfredNeuman - 2010-11-29 11:06

      Kabelo, your argument is that black criminals also target black people. Fair enough. But why should that make me feel any better when they target me? When was the last time you heard of a white man hijacking anybody and shooting him in his car or breaking into someones house to rape and torture them? As far as violent crime goes, blacks may not all be criminals but 99.9% of criminals are black.

      Moosa Vawda - 2010-11-29 15:11

      What The flip Alfred? You do realise that you just spouted your position again without any back up therefore? How can you equate crime to a racial thing? Paranoid much sonno? By the sheer amount of black people in this country it is only logical that they would be the largest victim proponent. Just because a few white guys are also being killed it does not mean that there is a plan somewhere where the planners are planning to exterminate every whaite person in SA by crime? Look, and im being candid here, if they really wanted to get rid of you guys...they would have done it much earlier and in a much more direct way....it would have been too easy not to. To racialise crime is to spit in the face of logic.

  • Reveal Them - 2010-11-27 11:51

    What a big fat baby Huntley is.

  • Spyker May - 2010-11-27 14:07

    One critical portion, of the ruling, is: "...it's possible some white South Africans could make a case for persecution..."

  • Spyker May - 2010-11-27 14:12

    black-basher, Here is some alternative entertainment.., http://www.facebook.com/pages/CHRIS-ROCK-THE-COMEDIAN/23613913967

      black-basher - 2010-11-27 15:04

      @ skyper May: look mate, i'm not racist, but, i dont think black comedians are at all that funny...thanks anyway for the info......

      Spyker May - 2010-11-27 19:42

      black-basher - the pleasure is entirely mine - like you have no idea; viz, Hendrik Verwoerd wasn’t a racist either - he also just didn’t think black comedians were at all that funny...

  • ann.warnick - 2010-11-27 14:49

    I was born in the UK and Moved to SA at the age of 4 , with my parents....I grew up in SA,saw Apartheid dismantled and had great hope for a new peaceful SA,When Mandela was released.$0 years later decided the threat of senseless ,violence, crime, rape, murder ,robbery or housebreaking was beyond acceptable levels and have relocated to the UK. With my family and grandchild.I was fortunate.I was not born in SA and could leave,the people I feel sorry for are stuck in a country....crime is rampant and the police force and Gov can offer no protection .:( Due to corruption at the most senior levels. I loved South Africa,I always will ,its beautiful,but not worth dying for. Dont judge unless you have first hand knowledge of the REAL TRUTH>

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 15:36

      When I hear from Eastern and Central Europeans how crime, corruption and lawlessness crept in after the demise of the Soviet Union, one notices that South Africans are unrealistic in their expectation to eat their cake and have it. Whereas the the majority of educated and skilled Eastern and Central Europeans remain in their countries to rebuild their societies, the bulk of their South African counterparts who benefited exclusively from the lopsided policies of apartheid use the post change realities as an excuse go away with the loot. The fact is that South Africa is reaping what has been sown repeatedly over 300 years of dehumanizing black people - Many South Africans with education, experience and skills have for some time been at pains to undermine the inevitable democratic change by short-lived attempts to privatize vital services such as security, health, education and even justice system for their exclusive benefit. There is however many white South Africans who give their lot to rebuild together with the rest of the peace loving people of South Africa. In the same way apartheid was defeated, the current misguided dictatorship of the political and emotive majority will be overcome. That is the cause worth dying for, anywhere in the world.

      black-basher - 2010-11-27 15:45

      @ ann.warnick arent you lucky?....i'm still trapped here...i need to come over to the UK....please help me...marry me please! i need any visa or tact that'd get me out of africa!!!

      Anne - 2010-11-27 19:35

      You say, '...the current misguided dictatorship of the political and emotive majority will be overcome. That is the cause worth dying for, anywhere in the world.' Most of us were glad when the new era dawned in 1994, and I for one felt liberated too. However, my family comes first. Nothing is more precious to me, not even this beloved country. S.A. has now become one of the most dangerous places on the planet, and it will not be fixed anytime soon, certainly not in my (or your) lifetime. Let's not be deluded. I have only this one life. Call me whatever you want, but I am not prepared to sacrifice my family for this mess we find ourselves in. I did not raise my children to be raped and murdered here. If that makes me a traitor, then so be it.

      Anne - 2010-11-27 19:36

      My comment here was meant for Moreferere.

      Spyker May - 2010-11-27 19:54

      Ann, There is a saying - "the cure is worse than the cancer".

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 20:09

      @black-basher Anyone with at least two brain cells to rub together learns from the experience of fellow beings. The Nationalist Party leaders (the MalaNazis!) would have not achieved half the black Holocaust had they not learnt the tricks of racial repression from the Nazis prior to assuming power in 1948 and subsequently. We can learn from the positive experience of East and West Europe. It is your choice not to cooperate with anyone but I dare you break the law, you will be locked away from a free society where you will hopefully re-educate yourself for a new life under a government of a black majority for a long time to come. No civilized country will grant you any asylum or even immigration status because you do not sound like you have anything to offer a free society. I will make comments in this forum because it is my hard won democratic right to express myself freely. You should consider quiting the debate because it is obvious that you cannot cope. At the end of this debate, normal people will have learnt that there is no room for racism in South Africa, Canada (thanks to Huntley's experience)or anywhere on this planet. The game has long been over for bigots.

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 20:27

      Please forgive me for any unintended aspersions that I may have cast on you, Ann. I fully agree with you that South Africa is very dangerous and one's family's safety naturally comes first. I speak from experience as a member of a family that has yet to come to terms with a loss of my only brother whose murderers have yet to be apprehended after seven years of their evil deed. I am also speaking from a personal experience of being detained without trial, tortured and hounded out of my country by the notorious apartheid security police in the past. I too am disappointed with the current status quo and I know many others in the silent majority who feel the same. However, the fact is that anyone who can teach, heal the sick, design and build houses, roads and bridges, manage an enterprise etc., especially on the basis of the education that was reserved for the few in the past, is unwittingly helping to entrench the status quo by leaving the country. We have to find a way of fixing this broken post-apartheid settlement using its unique strengths such as the human rights based constitution and sound international relations with established democracies. At present, the space that should be occupied by appropriate role players is left to be dominated by all manner of lunatics like Julius Malema - why?

      Spyker May - 2010-11-27 20:43

      Moferefere, Again, you have you head sooo far up your @rse, a special derivative of the pass-book-laws will be needed to track it... Re your notions about Central- and Eastern Europe, inter alia, http://www.workpermit.com/news/2006_02_20/europe/eastern_europe_fears_brain_drain.htm http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/2055571.stm http://www.peopleforum.cn/viewthread.php?tid=41268 Albeit half of central Europe = Germany, not a place that fears either crime, corruption and/or a brain drain (viz. even if all Germany’s current scientists are deported to Africa – their next primary school intake will already be ahead of Africa). Re “go away with the loot” (sic) – what “loot” dude..? What did whites steal from blacks..? You cannot steal something from somebody who never had it..! What did the Dutch find here, 350 years ago, to steal..? M A H A L A..! Even if the belligerent settlers forced black people to work for zilch – (hypothetically) did not give them food (i.e. worse than the Germans did to the Jews – which they didn’t by the way) and even if you are in full denial of the TRC report (issued by your own ANC government), then whites still didn’t steal anything from blacks... The ANC government inherited a fully functioning country. Compare that to what the German’s got for their troubles with the Jews – a complete wasteland - that they rebuild in fifteen years by the way. Note – spyker may..!?! I have run out of allowed characters and I have not even started..!

      black-basher - 2010-11-27 21:04

      @ anne; well said, anne....you've hit it on the heard!!

      Spyker May - 2010-11-27 21:19

      Moferefere, This one is the absolute cherry on that cake – yes, that one “to eat their cake and have it” (sic) – BEAM ME UP SCOTTY... I BEG YOU..! [quote] “...undermine the inevitable democratic change by short-lived attempts to privatize vital services...” [unquote] Bru, the rest of the functioning world (even the slave state of China) privatise things, because then they... ... yes, you did NOT guess it... ... WORK..! Let’s take this slowly – you present privatisation as the antonym to democracy... huuuu..? Privatisation is in every sense conceivable the core of a democracy. Nationalisation is the diametric apposite of democracy..! But I guess in your little place called Malemania you will treasure such reasoning. If ever you need an anthem.., http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z0B_nz539wo But wait, it gets better.., [quote] “...peace loving people of South Africa...” [unquote]. Your reach a point where you are at such a loss for articulation, not even “Radio Pretoria” serves as a source... What “peace loving SAcans...???????” We are slaughtering and raping each other, at rates that make countries engaged in full war, look like the Pope’s ramblings about condoms... What follows... ...I am simply not worthy... ...spyker may blou, met pers strepies en geel sterrtjies, bo-oor my groen truitjie.., [quote] “...the current misguided dictatorship of the political and emotive majority will be overcome... ...” [unquote]. I UNREST my case...

      Anne - 2010-11-28 00:08

      Mofereferere As a white woman, I will cooperate with anybody who is moderate, honest, sensible, non-violent, tolerant and who desires peace and prosperity for all in this country. You sound like such a person, and I pray to God there are many more like that where you come from. As black people you have your work cut out for you. You see the hatred, bigotry and racism on this forum - that is why whites will never be trusted by your people. Unfortunately we will always have the extremes with us. You are the majority, so the movement to liberate this country one more time will again have to come from the black community. I can guarantee you that you will be amazed at the support you will get from white people. We just want what you want - peace, safety, respect. We don't care what colour the government is, as long as they are fair, tolerant and competent.

      Anne - 2010-11-28 09:12

      Black-basher, I believe in being fair and in giving credit where credit is due. Sorry to disappoint you. You don't deserve any, because you make no positive contribution whatsoever. All you do is insult and reinforce the white stereotype. You have not even read Moferefere's comments properly. There is much more common ground than you think, but oh yes, I forget. You are blind. Hope you find an overseas job soon. Good luck.

      Anne - 2010-11-28 18:06

      Godspeed, black-basher. Just a friendly warning. In any of the countries you have named, your superior attitude towards black people will be frowned upon. So you will have to zip it, hey? There the colour of your skin is of no consequence, as you no doubt will quickly find out.

      Zenzele - 2010-11-29 04:39

      Ann I really simpathise with you.There is no country without crime and some of the list you have mentioned. I am a black south african,and proud of my nation,but not proud of the crime rate I wish we can find a solution. I dont believe in racism of what so ever, to me a human being is a human, I dont see colour. I moved to England before South Africa got independence and settled here, I have gone through a lot,my children at school here have seen it all, but can I start saying all British people are racist,NO! I will be wrong if I say tha . Same as back in South Africa not every white or black person is racist Really if we all think in those terms we will never build a tolerant world. This man Huntley its wrong what he has done ,down deep in his heart if he has a conscious he knows that he told a lie, there are people who really deserve help,from countries like zimbabwe ,he is messing things for such people. Please dont misunderstand my point,Idont know your situation what you went through but south africa is not a bad place now.

  • ann.warnick - 2010-11-27 14:57

    DESPERATE times IN SA call for DESPERATE measures. SAs a beautiful country , with beautiful people, but the awful crime,rape and murder stats prove....not a safe place to live. NOT WORTH DYING FOR.... so I LEFT.After 40 years.

      Mathieu - 2010-11-29 04:16

      @neanderthal man; dude I worry about your kids to. You're their father. Enough said. Your crack about telling people to go to the Sowetan, is the most pathetic attempt of sarcastic humour yet. I don't understand how you find it funny that your gardener is poor? Oh look at me Mr big shot white man, I have money, I'm superior, I'm more intelligent. Yeah right, your species of man isn't evolving, it's regressing. Peace,

      GTFO - 2010-11-29 17:19

      Prove it?

  • Bill - 2010-11-27 18:40

    The ANC government is communist and racist. South Africa is a dangerous country for all races, but for whites it is particularly dangerous.

      black-basher - 2010-11-27 19:19

      i want to go and claim assylum in Britain....as a white man, i'm ashamed of being broke....and i know in the past i've used up every excuse to be-little black south africans.....but hey, i'm now running out of time and could soon find myself living in Soweto instead of the UK, Astralia, Canada and New zealand.....can someone please help me!!!

      Zenzele - 2010-11-29 04:49

      Bill,Have you ever lived abroad besides , I being in South Africa ? People must stop steering up people's emotions,Its not helping I live abroad I know what I am talking about. Politicians are all the same around the world.Try and and live in one of these countries you will know what is mearnt by racism.Yes I totally agree that there is crime lets try and find out a way of forcing politicians to act tough against it than to be negative all tne time,sorry I dont mean to offend you.

      Moferefere - 2010-11-29 16:33

      Another piece of rubbish from either an incorrigible bigot or have somebody with no two brain cells to rub together. ANC at the outset has been conciliatory (look up the work in the dictionary) towards whites, the majority of whom unashamedly sustained a majority vote for a blatantly racist MalaNazi's since 1948. Ideologically, the ANC is weak and neoliberal (again look up the word to understand me), increasingly regarded as having betrayed the struggle for freedom of black in exchange of 30 pieces of silver. South Africa is particularly dangerous for white bigots because they are a danger to themselves over and above the racially blind threat of crime which targets all vulnerable people. The fact is that the preferential protection of white civilians who out of their own choice (or majority electorate, to be fair to those who did not vote Nationalist Party) isolated themselves from the rest of their countrymen to reside in exclusive areas (with wealth that is conspicuous to house robbers), went out of the window in the wake of the demise of apartheid. So black and white people who cannot afford elaborate private security have to EQUALLY put up with the poor protection service of the democratically elected government of the day.

      Anne - 2010-11-29 22:08

      Moreferere You have a talent for cutting to the chase as well as an amazing ability to put things into perspective. Thanks for your valuable contribution here. I for one now have a better understanding of the issues at hand. That is exactly why we must have this dialogue.

  • henrileriche - 2010-11-27 18:44

    Watch this space. This is good news! For white asylum seekers. What this means is that the previously court judgement is overturned. Brandon Huntley will have to take his case to a new court. Now the cards will by layed on the table for the world to see....

      black-basher - 2010-11-27 19:23

      i hope they wont racial cards as we could then find ourself in trouble for mis-treating blacks in the past......or we could be found out of how racist we are...... anyway, great work there by Brandon Huntley!!

      Moferefere - 2010-11-27 20:49

      He has already disqualified himself, and made it very difficult for the next white South African asylum seekers because of his apparent misrepresentation of his identity: see Tariq's comments above which sound genuine. Tariq - 1 hour ago Report comment None so blind as those that do not wish to see Mr Black Basher. Whether Huntley likes it or not he has West African genes and comes from a majority black family background and his current generation of family is 70% proudly black. The facts are there for all to see in the family records. Huntley's one cousin lives in Khayalitsha married to an amaXhosa woman and has 2 children. Another lives in Rocklands, Mitchells Plain, married to a Nama woman with 2 children. His father's brother is married to a Coloured woman.... I can go on and on. Brandon Huntley has taken you all for a ride with his lies. But most people in the world know that there are a core group of ignorant white South Africans who will always wallow in Ignorance as Bliss. You dont want to face up to the truth. The icon of the white racists is a confidence trickster who so desparately wanted a job in Canada that he made up a whole lot of tall stories claiming lily white status and oppression as a so-called 'white settler' persecuted by black people. The existence of all of his own black, coloured, indian and white family members living in harmony contradicts his nonsense.His cousin in Khayelitsha is as fair in pigmentation as he is and is never called a settler dog. He is embraced by all around him and he is prepared to work at any job he is offered. He is much poorer than Brandon but is supported by his loving family and is not lazy to work, nor wants special priviledges just because of his pale pigmentation. Tariq - 1 hour ago Report comment Old Ma Mary Anne Huntley and Old Ma Francina Haddon van der Kaap must be rolling in their graves in shame at the antics of Brandon Huntley at the shame his brought on the family and our country.

      Davie - 2010-11-28 11:54

      Jeeezzzz...I feel sorry to you 'black.bassher'.

      black-basher - 2010-11-28 12:28

      @ Davie Malema check this out, seun: www.sowetan.co.za bye-bye!!

  • bringgoldstonetojustice - 2010-11-27 21:01

    It is true that White South African's are victims of hate crimes. Sometimes the victimes are non Whites, but the percentage of White victimes in crimes, and the number of times the motive for the crime is hate against Whites, and the times White victims are victimised again by the police, because they are Whites, is alarming and disturbing. The fact is that those in the government there do almost nothing in that regard-dfinitely much less then any Serbian authorities did (and, unlike the impression the Goldstones and the Clintons like the masses to believe, Serbian authorities did a lot) to prevent war crimes from happening. So in South africa there are still political prisoners from before the 1994 elections on the one hand, Goldstone is not presecuted for crimes against humanity on the other, and at the same time, those in the government in South Africa do almost nothing to prevent hate crimes, and nobody tells them they bare "command responsibility" (while Serbian leaders do). This is hypocrisy, it is scandulous, it is wrong and pressure should be put so it will stop, please God.

  • jesicadb - 2010-11-27 23:06

    Unfortunately the rest of the world are still like the three monkeys, "See no evil, hear no evil, speak no evil". Especially where white people are concerned! Maybe they will wake up when there are no white people left in South Africa and then wonder how they missed it. Personally I think they will just shrug there shoulders and insist that there were no white people in South Africa from the start.

  • Blip - 2010-11-28 02:06

    Dubula ibhunu (shoot the white farmers)... Canada got it right first time and wrong on review.

  • veld66 - 2010-11-28 02:06

    Most of South Africans who cry out aloud about their country in the West have limited education and they mainly seek work in pubs and restaurants FACT!

      black-basher - 2010-11-28 03:10

      veld66: dont come with your rubbish stats here...try www.sowetan.co.za

      mfanafuthi.skele - 2010-11-29 09:21

      I fully agree with you. No wonder the poor uneducated, lazy Brendon tried the trick.

      Lufuno - 2010-11-29 11:22

      Between 2001 - 2008,most white south africans who had immigrated to the UK after 1994 came back to live in SA because they got retrenched from their jobs..and I thought overseas there's lots of jobs..Why come back if you hate SA so much?? And worst case, Some families couldn't handle not having a maid to clean their houses....talk about being spoilt..!

      Picasso - 2010-11-30 08:02

      Lufuno, any proof of your statements?

  • dylanswanie - 2010-11-28 05:37

    Hahaha coming home my bru! Gonna be interesting now. All the best

  • muttlet - 2010-11-28 09:04

    http://www.prisonpolicy.org/graphs/raceinc.html This is the latest I could find for the USA prision demographics. Whereas the latest USA demographics for the whole population: Race Percentage Number White alone (of which 30.4 million are White Hispanic and Latino Americans. Excluding these, this category comprises 65.0% or 199.3 million) 74.8% 229.8 million Black or African American alone 12.4% 38.1 million Some other race alone 4.9% 14.9 million Asian alone 4.5% 13.8 million Two or more races 2.4% 7.5 million American Indian or Alaska Native alone 0.8% 2.5 million Native Hawaiian or other Pacific Islander alone 0.15% 0.454 million

  • Kaz - 2010-11-28 09:25

    Ohh, let me get something straight quick. When exactly did this guy become white? Previous articles quoted him as being colored? Wow, Canada does seem to be an amazing place. Your change race the moment you land there! Bring this fool back to SA, we need more manual laborers.

      Picasso - 2010-11-30 08:03

      Maybe Michael Jackson was Canadian?

  • foitapoilet - 2010-11-28 11:10

    Denial is a weakness and also does no good for improvement when condemnation comes with no solutions. Reading the comments regarding ‘one’ individual white (apparently) South African who applied for refugee status is probably a needle in the haystack of actual unhappy white South African citizens. As in the ‘expat haters’ forum they would be criticizing him for leaving and not the fact why he is leaving. It’s for eternity the same argument between the minority of forum writers with ‘good riddance’ and ‘don’t come back’ attitude, with a racist slur in-between. While then it’s this contradictory government “The South African government expressed outrage” and threw objections left and right and that he should be sent back. Why do they honestly want him back? Instead of discussing the reasons for the problem on this forum, it’s a destructive war of words that make him out to be a huge disappointment to South Africa. Denying the actual facts of the situation in South Africa seems to be the general acceptance, then without rectifying with solutions just converge on one ‘defector’ after leaving his country. The fact is South Africa is not under apartheid anymore. It is not 1994 either. This is 2010 and what is the state of affairs as we speak. We may have an out of this world Rugby team who play with their hearts and their selected skills. We might have fantastic weather because of the geological location on earth. But sadly we also have one of the worst murder rates in the world. Why, for the reason that a poorly managed and poorly paid police and Defense force, that is led by incompetent, corrupt and poorly qualified people. Thanks to the ANC. Today, the ANC government who are not doing anything about everything, and are now perched on a small nest on top of the highest branchless, proverbial tree. Voted in and now are preferred, according to themselves. ‘Birds of a feather’, maintaining their power with nepotistic and subversive means. This daily disappointing and sub standard functioning is the slightest to be said. Do the black citizens really see the reality of today? I won’t get on the band wagon shouting statistics as it only seems to bring more denial. But I can write this, today 80 people will be murdered and 70 of them will be black. It’s almost the accepted norm and significance of life in our South African culture. Why? Since the leader of this sinking nation keeps this in place, with his public statements and behavior. (Without referring to one man’s chronicle of rape, corruption, aids and polygamy). Imagine if Obama sang ‘bring me my machine gun’ or ‘shoot the farmer, shoot the boer’. It’s an affirmation of our modern civilized society with an intellectual competence and cognitive perception, or lack thereof. As our forum facilitates with opportunity to very few, the general attitude of a silent majority of the nation, doesn’t have any judgment on this story, or even what their leader stands up as being as. They only count when it’s election time. Then as long as he is black, and he is ANC, that’s all that matters. Black and white South Africans need to realize that they need each other. Without the one the other has an empty space. 16 years of an all black government has definitely not helped most black South Africans apart from an insignificant hand full. They need to fix this with establishing a new political party. One that will ‘really’ bestow unto the people of South Africa. There are so many good, educated and ‘unreserved’ black people out there but they are too busy doing what’s right that they are not invited to the ‘party of self enrichment’. The likes of Dr. Mamphela Ramphela, you need to start to rescue your country. You and Helen Zille both fought for a New South Africa! Unfortunately, Helen Zille is stigmatized and forever an opposition’s target of subversion because she is white. Someone like you Dr. Mamphela Ramphela will have a reassured following of black and white citizens, as of yesterday. There are so many who want change. Civilization, Religion and Education is an arrangement, cultural traditions are an arrangement, and they are passed on with domination. This is what we have, a failing reign. The pessimistic readers need to take a good look around them and at themselves. Then make a change for the better. Black and white, we need to want more than this. 16 years later, we are going nowhere but for worse than we have ever had. The blacks and the whites are here to stay. Accept it and begin to make it better, starting with yourself!

      Spyker May - 2010-11-28 18:42

      Fighter pilot, bru, one day you must show me how you manage to get so many characters into one message – I get disqualified at > 1500..? It is surely a discrimination plot thing again. Maybe black-basher could d@nner some poor dude till he admits something not even his ancestors did – at least then we know who is guilty (eish, the good old days). Dude you don’t understand - you see, this is how we tackle things in SA: If something stinks very badly in the back yard, we don’t just go into back yard to find out what it is and then fix it (e.g. burry it). No, we get out ‘bestest worse’ engineers to develop the most elaborate contrivance conceivable to block our noses-, cover our ears- and blinker our eyes. Then we go into the streets and we protest about how much it stinks next door...

      mfanafuthi.skele - 2010-11-29 09:27

      @black-basher,you sound quite angry and emotional, i hope for your sake you don't carry them with you to your next destination. The sooner you leave the country the better especially for your health's sake(blood pressure). Go well and I wish you all the best in your newly found home.

      Proudly SA - 2010-11-29 16:13

      Ag Shame Sweetie , Took soooo much time typing, should rather have taken that time booking a ticket outta here. You can't live in a place you're not proud of, or, atleast have respect for. Now please don't waste more time typing , get that ticket..

  • Koosie - 2010-11-28 11:32

    Canada must give this man a job,we have enough racists here in this country to manage,he is longinging for apartheid benefits.During apartheid years his life was like this: Job reserved for him and for white people like him Exlusive education and bursaries to choose A free farm with underpaid farm workers Play in sports reserved for whites Promotion in any job based on on his pinkish skin refered to as white skin in SA. Full of prejudices about other races Full of ignorance and disrepect to other races Be involved in gross human abuses like most of his volks Enjoying apartheid benefits,etc. You are not welcome here in South Africa

      Davie - 2010-11-28 14:25

      Agree with you Koosie. We don't need racists in our country. We are trying to build a nation with a future for all of us. we certainly have no space for this guy. He should try another country.

      Davie - 2010-11-28 14:28

      Black, please act mature and make constructive comments. You are embarassing us.

      Sagebrush - 2010-11-28 17:38

      Looks like you have inherited the racist attitude from the people you now hate Koosie.

      FreeMan2 - 2010-11-28 18:40

      Sorry Koosie we do not want him here.

      Fanie - 2010-11-29 10:31

      @Black-basher...would you rather we compare number of farmers killed since 1994 to number of black people killed prior when apartheid was in place?...If that case, the black people are still far from matching the target.

      Moferefere - 2010-11-29 14:53

      Regrettably he is one of us, messed up by our past and we have no choice but to accept him back. However, we have a moral and national duty to rehabilitate him, help him accept his real identity as an African of diverse ancestry and be a responsible citizen. We cannot build a united South Africa on the basis of a questionable value system that is a reverse carbon copy of the apartheid one while claiming to be founded on a human rights based constitutional laws. We have no choice but to live and let live. Huntley and his loved ones have already suffered a great punishment for his despicable behaviour and it is unAfrican to kick a man who is already on the ground.

      Anne - 2010-11-29 21:42

      Fanie, with all respect, 21 000 black people died during the apartheid years. 92% of those, more or less 19 320, died at the hands of black people, which means that about 1680 were killed by whites. These are figures released by the ANC. Just be fair, please. We should not incite violence.

      Picasso - 2010-11-30 08:14

      Anne,according to the TRC report 7000 blacks were killed by security forces and 16000 by black on black violence. Fanie, more than 3300 farmers killed already in 16 years (not even counting the other whites). Apartheid was roughly for 40 years, the ANC will be on par very quickly. 3300 in 16 years, 6600 in 30 years, 7650 in 40 years, and there is not just 3300 farmers killed the past. So your point is?

      Arthur Phili - 2010-11-30 10:37

      @Koosie - A free farm with underpaid farm workers? People purchased farms from the government and paid for their farm after developing barren land in to a productive commercial enterprise. People are paid what they are worth. If they want more money they should find another job which pays more. - Job reserved for him and for white people like him Jobs were reserved for white people, 4 million people was his competition. - Exlusive education and bursaries to choose Both my parents paid for their own education, so did I. - Promotion in any job based on on his pinkish skin refered to as white skin in SA. Promotion is based on merit. - Full of prejudices about other races The pot calling the kettle black. Koosie - you're a racist, you're making unsubstantiated claims, you should be removed from this forum as a troll.

  • moffatmmushi - 2010-11-28 22:11

    You all need to realize one thing Africa is not for sissy?? Either you get with the program on pack you bags and get the hell out of Africa

      michaelgreen777 - 2010-11-29 02:11

      @moffatmmushi: Is that how you see it? So if I am not a sissy then it would be ok for me to see my wife and daughter raped while I am tied up? You are extremely naive to think that people are leaving because they are "sissies"! They leave because SA has become a murderous cesspool haven for criminals with no respect for life! By "get with the program"???? You obviously mean become a raping murderous criminal, or leave! Just a question: Africa was seen as a wealthy continent, able to supply the world with minerals and farming exports. It was built up from nothing into a thriving civilized society with an infrastructure that worked. Then slowly, "Colonial people" as you would put it, where forced to leave their African countries of birth, and those countries started to burn. Now infrastructure is collapsing, anarchy is becoming the norm! And Africa with all it's wealth is dying a horrible, corrupt death. Soon Africa will be back in the Stone age!

      Picasso - 2010-11-30 08:16

      No it is not for sissies, it is for cowards. They come and murder you while you're asleep.

  • Zenzele - 2010-11-29 04:09

    At last the canadian state have seen light. In south africa we have peace and stability politically.Yes I agree there are few jobs in the market but that does not give the like of Huntley to paint our country with a black paint of racial discrimination against what south africans ,what a load of rubbish. I left my own country south africa for England and some of my white friends through choice of spreading our wings and experience life abroad ,does that mean we have been victims and can use that to apply for political asylum? There are genuine asylum seekers from other countries who deserve protection,not this bogus low life ,scrounger who seek handouts through lies. He is the one who is a racist. He must work up and go back to university and get a proper education so that he can get a job,that is if he does not have,Viva Canadian Law, this justice you have done!!!!

  • Francois - 2010-11-29 07:10

    Hey you need to understand that only nonwhite or people with no backbone are allowed to us the race card, for the rest of the human race we need to battle on with life! In my eyes any one that entertains the idea of using the race card has no back bone only a lame excuse.

      Hannes Perth - 2010-11-29 07:55

      Just because your race card is lame, isn't it? If you have a joker up your sleeve i am sure your would have played it.

  • Jean-Jaques - 2010-11-29 07:22

    There are a few contributors to these articles that keep referring to the Genocide allegedly committed during the apartheid years. The victims obviously being black and the perpetrators white. The true facts are as follows: Deaths due to political violence from 1948 to 1994 in South Africa and Namibia. According to the HRC statistics, 21,000 people died in political violence in South Africa during apartheid - of whom 14,000 people died during the transition process from 1990 to 1994. The statistics lists the number of incidents, dates, and those involved. This includes SA Defence Force actions, for instance the 600 deaths at Kassinga in Angola during the war in 1978. Of those deaths, the vast majority, 92%, have been primarily due to Africans killing Africans -- such as the inter-tribal battles for territory: detailed analyses of the period June 1990 to July 1993 indicates a total of 8580 (92%) of the 9,325 violent deaths during the period June 1990 to July 1993 were caused by Africans killing Africans, or as the news media often calls it, "Black on Black" violence - hostel killings, Inkatha Freedom Party versus ANC killlings, and taxi and turf war violence. The activities of the Civil Cooperation Bureau as outlined by the Truth and Reconciliation Commission, were also included in these figures. The security forces caused 518 deaths (5.6%) throughout this period. Genocide? I think not

      Jean-Jaques - 2010-11-29 07:33

      Some numbers from the ANC's statement to the Truth and Reconciliation Comm. [http://www.doj.gov.za/trc/submit/anctruth.htm] Deaths in detention: >70 (1985-89) Assassinations of anti-apartheid activists: ca. 100 (1974-89) + 165 (1990-92) Political violence: >12,000 (7/90-12/93) SIPRI 1994: 18,997 k. by pol. viol. Berkeley, The Graves Are Not Yet Full (2001): 20,000 blacks k. in internecine political violence 1985-1994 Before 1980: WHPSI: 1,707 deaths by political violence in South Africa, 1948-1977. Soweto Uprising (1976-77): 600 killed (16 June 1988 Toronto Star; 18 June 1977 Washington Post) or 575 killed (16 June 1980 Washington Post) 14 Jan. 1977 Washington Post: 30 prisoners died in detention, 1963-77, citing Institute of Race Relations. Total: A Crime against Humanity: Analysing Repression of the Apartheid State, by Max Coleman . Deaths by political violence, 1948-94, S.Afr.: 21,000, incl... (1990-94): 14,000 Kassinga, Angola, 1978: 600 k (6/1990-7/1993): 8580 Black on Black out of 9325 total K by security forces: 518

      Jean-Jaques - 2010-11-29 07:38

      Corrected TRC link http://www.justice.gov.za/trc/hrvtrans/submit/anctruth.htm

  • Jean-Jaques - 2010-11-29 07:26

    Some numbers from the ANC's statement to the Truth and Reconciliation Comm. [http://www.doj.gov.za/trc/submit/anctruth.htm] Deaths in detention: >70 (1985-89) Assassinations of anti-apartheid activists: ca. 100 (1974-89) + 165 (1990-92) Political violence: >12,000 (7/90-12/93) SIPRI 1994: 18,997 k. by pol. viol. Berkeley, The Graves Are Not Yet Full (2001): 20,000 blacks k. in internecine political violence 1985-1994 Before 1980: WHPSI: 1,707 deaths by political violence in South Africa, 1948-1977. Soweto Uprising (1976-77): 600 killed (16 June 1988 Toronto Star; 18 June 1977 Washington Post) or 575 k (16 June 1980 Washington Post) 14 Jan. 1977 Washington Post: 30 prisoners died in detention, 1963-77, citing Institute of Race Relations. (1990-94): 14,000 Kassinga, Angola, 1978: 600 k (6/1990-7/1993): 8580 Black on Black out of 9325 total K by security forces: 518

  • Jean-Jaques - 2010-11-29 07:31

    Some numbers from the ANC's statement to the Truth and Reconciliation Comm. [http://www.doj.gov.za/trc/submit/anctruth.htm] Deaths in detention: >70 (1985-89) Assassinations of anti-apartheid activists: ca. 100 (1974-89) + 165 (1990-92) Political violence: >12,000 (7/90-12/93) SIPRI 1994: 18,997 k. by pol. viol. Berkeley, The Graves Are Not Yet Full (2001): 20,000 blacks k. in internecine political violence 1985-1994 Before 1980: WHPSI: 1,707 deaths by political violence in South Africa, 1948-1977. Soweto Uprising (1976-77): 600 killed (16 June 1988 Toronto Star; 18 June 1977 Washington Post) or 575 k (16 June 1980 Washington Post) 14 Jan. 1977 Washington Post: 30 prisoners died in detention, 1963-77, citing Institute of Race Relations. Total: citing A Crime against Humanity: Analysing Repression of the Apartheid State, by Max Coleman - Deaths by political violence, 1948-94, S.Afr.: 21,000, incl... (1990-94): 14,000 Kassinga, Angola, 1978: 600 k (6/1990-7/1993): 8580 Black on Black out of 9325 total K by security forces: 518

      Zion - 2010-11-29 11:42

      Please analyse the statistics properly: It does not matter what the Anc or the TRC says, the fatalities in the Angolan war cannot count against South Africa. Kassinga, in particular had the queer case where those people were killed by their own forces due to a poor communications system. Why dont you add the vietnam fatalities too? The murders perpetuated by the black people on Black people in KWA Zulu cannot be laid at the door of apartheid. Nor can those deaths by burning tyres be due to apartheid but rather to pure barbarism. Ultimately, it would not be wise to take every thing from the TRC seriously.

      Lanfear - 2010-11-30 13:50

      @ Zion, you are talking balderdash! Especialy about Kassinga! I was at a lecture recently where the keynote speaker was THERE at Kassinga. He explained a lot about the operation and what happened. Just how can the fatalities in the Angola war NOT count against SA? We were the antagonists in that war. We actually had no business there. Just as the US had no business in Vietnam [which you cite]. So only white-on-black murders can be laid at the door of the apartheid government? Have you never heard of "divide and rule"? Have you never heard of the so-called "third party" violence? Pure barbarism? I invite you to define that statement. No my friend, you are trying to justify and rationalise. It is known today that there were definitely blacks who were informers, and worked with the apartheid government for their own gain. Besides, if you read up a bit on the subject, you will realise that in a revolution, the revolutionaries themselves are often divided.

  • Hannes Perth - 2010-11-29 07:53

    For all future refugee's please do not say: "I came here to look for work because I can't find work in my country and it's easier finding work overseas." As an Australian I think we give assylum far too easily. Those that want to emigrate should make a positive contribution to our country and those that claim prosecution need to pass a very high hurdle or the protection should only be temporary until conditions in their host country improve. It should never be an easy in or alternative to skills or business immigration.

  • Lionel - 2010-11-29 10:14

    I doubt whether the ANC government would have made any issue of this matter if Huntley was not white. The country is in a crime ravaged civil war, period and whites are discriminated against just as other races where during apartheid. Let's face facts, anyone who has left this country because of the horrendous crime levels and/or racial prejudice, are indirectly refugees or asylum seekers. How come this country accepts refugees and asylum seekers from Zimbabwe and other countries including one ex-president of Haiti, when these countries are not encountering a civil war. Once again it all has to do with race.

      Toka - 2010-11-29 11:36

      The ANC government acted on behalf of ALL the people of South Africa to object to the falsehood that white people in South Africa are targeted exclusively by black criminals, and by implication the government condones. The fact is that ALL bleddy criminals target EVERY vulnerable individual regardless of their race. That is why the Canadian government took the matter to an independent arbiter to review - and the judge applied the law and logic and overturned a bad decision of the refugee board. Besides, Huntley did not only misrepresented South Africa, he also appears to have lied about his race. According to his family's genealogy, he is black and has been pretending to be white because until recently, it paid a great deal to be classified white in South Africa. People do not seek political asylum to flee crime. They seek asylum when they can prove to the host country that they are persecuted in their country and they face danger if they were to return. Crime in South Africa is a social problem that South Africans must solve. Unfortunately this society sees everything in terms of race and therefore bark up a completely wrong tree like deranged dogs. If they would shed the burden of their skin color and remove the racial oogklaps, then they are likely to find a lasting solution to crime, like every other society in the world.

      Davie - 2010-11-29 12:09

      On the button Toka. We focus more energies on complaining rather than on how we can solve the problems.

      Lanfear - 2010-11-30 13:44

      Ag nonsense Lionel! You imply that whites are the specific target of black criminals. I wonder why Lucky Dube was killed in a common car hijack, to take an example. Read Toka's reply to your comment, good stuff.

  • thabang - 2010-11-29 12:15

    a couple of weeks a black family of about seven was killed in KZN, I never read any comment about race yet when it happens to a white person everyone thinks black people are out to get them. No one likes to take responsibility in this country, it always has to be about how aparthied messed things around or how blacks have taken everything from whites. ONLY IF WE HAD THAT SENSE OF RESPONSIBILITY, there was a one million men match against crime last year and the turn out was dismal.

      Lanfear - 2010-11-30 13:41

      Well said! Couldn't agree more.

  • Nicko Minaj - 2010-11-29 13:18

    Canada can keep him. The guy is of no use to us. We'll send you more if you want. The ANC should stop appealing these decisions, if these guys want to leave, please help them pack, don't you see the potential net brain gain for South Africa?

  • Bman_01 - 2010-11-29 13:54

    Guys and Gals to say Canada ice cold boring place if you have never been there is daft they same goes for saying Soweto is dump and you never been there. I have been to both places Canada is cold and has the best skii resorts Soweto is also great the best shebeens and great chow in Africa and its not a dump. If you dont have anything good to say keep your mouth shut.

  • Currie_Mafia - 2010-11-29 13:57

    Life's tough, so get used to it !!! Huntley is lucky not to have experienced South Africa as a Non-White during Apartheid !!! There was NO "good ol' days" for the Non-White Population...

  • siener - 2010-11-29 14:12

    Dear Canada, Please keep him. We don't want him back. Yours sincerely, South Africa

  • cherylcheritop - 2010-11-29 14:16

    Not sure what the big deal is. If the guy wants to have a better life in his mind so be it. Being a white South African unfortunately once again puts you at the bottom of the pile. Canada is full of so called "refugees" from all over the world, most who cannot speak the language, will never actually function or make any meaningful contribution to Canadian society yet they are accepted without question.

      Moferefere - 2010-11-29 16:09

      This guy is certainly entitled to seek a better life anywhere. The big deal here is that he tried his luck in Canada on the basis of a blatant lie that white people are exclusively targeted by black criminals. It also turns out that he has also misrepresented himself as white while in fact he is coloured, the game many "whites" have played all along to cash in during apartheid and probably before. Refugees in Canada are accepted on the basis of proven persecution by the State in the countries of their origin. It is not the policy of the government of South Africa to persecute whites for reasons of their race. It does not matter whether a refugee can speak/write English or not - their protection in terms of the Geneva Convention is what matters when they are considered for asylum. Crime in South Africa is a real problem, its solution rests in the hands of ALL South Africans who are affected. An obvious observation is that many South Africans are concerned about the importance of their race and assumed entitlement to personal safety without really addressing the challenges of their country.

      Zion - 2010-11-29 17:56

      What is strange, here, is the fact that some refer to Huntley as a black person yet he is commonly refered to as a coloured. So what is he? Neither of the black race nor of the white race. And he cannot be raceless. That is why I asked tariq earlier what percentage is valid for classification. The good man gave me a history lesson instead.

      Moferefere - 2010-11-30 00:48

      @Zion In the physical and real world we live in, people whose colour of skin is white or black do not exist. However, people have been assigned adjectives like white and black to define them in terms of their socio-economic conditions in order to understand and influence human dynamics. In this context, black people are all those who are, by law or tradition, discriminated against economically and socially. Whites would then be the opposite of sociological blacks. In this respect, the so-called coloureds, (regardless of the extent to which they originate from indigenous Africans) together with the indigenous Africans and Indians are collective black people. The reference of people as coloureds is particularly offensive in that it was designed to remove a sense of belonging anywhere from the enslaved people in order to entrench their subjugation. That is why African slaves were referred to as Coloureds when they landed on the shores of America, same various South East Asians on arrival to South Africa. Any other understanding of black and white derives from pure ignorance and is often reinforced by bigotry. The closest description to the colour of pigmentation of people of European descent is pink, and of African origin, brown. These concepts cannot be explained without posting what comes across as "lecture" or lesson because the past discredited regimes maintained a state of ignorance and fear among the divided people, in order to perpetuate their dominance.

  • Crispy_Duck - 2010-11-29 14:20

    If I was in charge of the ANC I would have complained as well. Even though this guy clearly doesn't represent what I'd consider being part of the brain drain...if this decision had been upheld it would have opened the sluice gates and South Africa would have experienced a mass exodus. That would have been disastrous for the country.

  • Moferefere - 2010-11-29 14:30

    Nicko Minaj Remember that it is the empty tins that make the loudest noise.

  • Proudly SA - 2010-11-29 15:51

    Please , all you people who complain about SA and its government, pack up and leave. You have the whole world to choose from, what are you still doing here? Breathing SAfrican air and still complaining. Leave..SA does not need people like you.

      devils_advo - 2010-11-29 17:26

      Isn't it "They mustn't leave..... They must just go"

      greydan4 - 2010-11-29 19:10

      I for one would like to leave this place where the very seldom act of white on black transgression is heralded as racism and the frequent black on white transgressions, where the whites are often tortured, as mere crime.... ...but alas I cannot leave because I am not classified as a refugee.

      Jack - 2010-11-29 22:16

      I would love to leave, can you start a fund to finance it and get me a green card. Thanks! Maybe the government can do a deal with the USA or Europe to get us unhappy unwanted whites out. I have applied several times to foreign countries (Europe and USA) trying to get out and all they say is no thanks!

  • Reveal Them - 2010-11-29 16:24

    Huntley you big woes, you must stay and fight for your beliefs not run and hide. That is why the generations of today need conscription to teach them a bit of self discipline and responsibility. Huntley you big baby.

  • Andrew - 2010-11-29 16:58

    It seems odd that the refugee commission believed in the first place that his statement that "whites are targeted by black criminals" had any legitimacy. Anyone living in South Africa knows that there is a multitude of black-on-black crime, particularly in the townships. I was robbed a little while ago, and when I told one of my builders, who is black, he said his house in Khayelitsha had also been ransacked...twice. Crime has no colour border in this country, it's opportunistic, rampant and pervasive. The fact that MANY whites are the target of crime is purely a product of the country's still-biased wealth stratification i.e. the have-somethings are more likely to be the target of the have-nothings.

      NicolaG - 2010-11-29 17:30

      Excellent comment. Thank you.