ICC must probe Nato violations - SA

2011-08-25 12:30

Johannesburg - The International Criminal Court (ICC) in The Hague should probe possible human rights violations committed by Nato forces in Libya, Deputy President Kgalema Motlanthe has said.

"We note they [Nato] are attempting to create the impression that the rebels are acting on their own in their attacks in Tripoli but there are clear links and co-ordination at that level," Motlanthe told Parliament Wednesday in response to lawmakers' questions.

"The question is whether the [court] will have the wherewithal to unearth that information and bring those who are responsible to book, including the Nato commanders on the ground," he was quoted as saying.

South Africa, a temporary member of the UN Security Council, voted in favour of the air exclusion zone over Libya which has enabled air strikes under Nato command.

Undermined AU efforts

However President Jacob Zuma has since led South African protests that Nato has used the UN resolution to pursue it own interests, going beyond protecting the safety of the civilian population.

Zuma on Tuesday said the Nato-led use of force had undermined Africa's peace efforts.

"I think that the point we have been making is that those who have a lot of capacity, even the capacity to bombard the countries, really undermined the AU's [African Union's] initiatives and effort to deal with the matter in Libya," he told reporters.

Motlanthe said the air strikes had made it more difficult to adopt new UN resolutions, notably on Syria, where there is also a growing uprising against the regime.

"Because of this situation created in Libya, the Security Council has not been able to agree on how to intervene in Syria," he argued.

  • Slapper - 2011-08-25 12:37

    While they are at it, they should also investigate Human rights abuses in South Africa. At best we are experiencing reverse apartheid, with the poor Blacks going backwards.

      Jakkie - 2011-08-25 13:06

      Yes Mr Kgalema, like you are handling the Zimbabwe situation? All these "peacefull negotiations" is just an excuse to sit and drink beer and laugh about how easy it is to manipulate the massess! Meanwile most of the people are dying from hunger and dicease! Quick to make public statements when it is about other countries while your own country is falling appart!!!

      JohannV - 2011-08-25 13:13 SA's nice buddies execute their own citizens...

      DoublySalmon - 2011-08-25 13:27

      The last thing African "leaders" handled was money in their pockets.

      Amos Rakgots - 2011-08-25 13:58

      Mr Motlanthe, you were one of the very few ANC leaders i still had respect for but it seems like you are also now becoming part of the ANC mainstream on their road of self destruction, you cannot even sort out your own ANCYL and now you want to dictate to & blame others, NATO's interferance stoped a catostrophe as the Libyan Ambassador here rightfully stated and everyone in their right mind knows and learnt from history what would have happened if it was not for Nato, unfortunately the ANC will only listen to their freind Gadaffi instead of to the will of the people of libya, wishing you all well on your journey of no return.

      Virginia - 2011-08-25 14:10

      Unfortunately Stapper, this so called call to investgate NATO by the SA government is only keeping the media away from the investigation against them and the armsdeal.

      Vince York - 2011-08-25 14:13

      Reverse Apartheid yes, after a long duration of deprivation and alienation with undue penalty - but the UN keeps quieter than our ConCourt on that issue so far. And to top it all, now in the harshest financial depression in living memory exacerbates the matter into full blown human rights transgression. - iro ICC, there are a lot of suddenly super enriched down our side of the continent that are squealing in terror at the thought of USA, Switzerland and Lichtenstein and a few other islands FREEZING their ill begotten gains same as with the desert nations overthrow, esp in light of the USA stating that the ANC in 2010 is already a carbon copy of the racist apartheid regime of the erstwhile Nats - tragically truly so. This ANC and elitist leadership with its global tentacles into most African raw materials including OIL, (Motlanthe so close to the Oil Debacles still resounding as loudly as the Arms deals and other debilitating tender con-artist schemes) must also be quite concerned with the long arm of international law and foreign nations perceptions and changing and hardening attitudes apart from Kwa_Zuma Inc and others.

      Risen Ape - 2011-08-25 14:44

      Investigate genocide in South Africa and suspend it's membership to the UN. Of course the UN would undermine the African Union. Who wouldn't?

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 15:11

      to call the situation in South Africa at the moment "reverse apartheid" only shows your ignorance and shaky grasp on reality. please explain how there's a "reverse apartheid"? are "blankes" being told to go live in the desert with no infrastructure or work opportunity? are we being excluded from certain sectors of society or financial institutions? are you carrying a "DOW" pass and continuelly humiliated because of your race? please tell me... please. i think the ICC should probe some of your brains. maybe they'll find some integrity... maybe even some decency... maybe. somehow i doubt it. commenting on the article - i understand the deputy's position. Nato violeted the UN agreement. powerful countries can't keep breaking the law. Iraq for example. it sets a dangerous example to others. but i would also like to add that the AU would never have resolved this issue and probably mock it up. this is evident from past debacles. lets just hope there will be peace.

      DoublySalmon - 2011-08-25 21:31

      sjkranenburg I have to carry a passport with me with visa stamps to work in a foreign country. I was told I was white and can't be promoted. I was told by black racists they were going to kill me because I'm white on 3 separate occasions. I was made to pay tax in South Africa without receiving the benefits of it, in other words economic emancipation, they might as well have dropped in a dessert with no resources. Black people received homelands, there were 8 million in 1948 and 45 million in 1994 living in these homelands. If they were oppressed how did they manage to feed all those kids? I'd bet if they had fewer kids they would have built their own schools in their own homelands or something instead of burning down all infrastructure and going home to produce more offspring after a hard day of rioting. They had freedom in homelands - like the rest of Africa they didn't develop it themselves. The rest of Africa didn't have Apartheid or such long Western rule yet are even less developed with even more suffering. Black South Africans didn't even flee from South Africa, after Apartheid black Africans fled to South Africa! Recent leaked USA embassy correspondence compares the ANC with NATS. Politically correct people like you who feed the myth that we owe black people for developing to this point and not doing more should instead sell all you have and give it to the masses. Go all out and prove you believe your dumb ideas.

  • slg - 2011-08-25 12:39

    This ANC government have seriously lost the plot and it's affecting our entire image.

      willieman - 2011-08-25 12:55

      The goverment is trying by all means to give us propaganda.They fail to explain to us why did they voted for no fly zone in Libya.They never consulted with AU niether our partners in BRICS.We know for the fact that BRICS members abstained from voting beacause certain quetions were not answered clearly.Soth Africa should explain what informed their position.Our foreign policy is dented especially in the eyes of AU.

      p123 - 2011-08-25 13:08

      Disgusting that ANC support Gadaffi and other such Dictators. How does this moron think that civilians would have been able to free themselves from this vicious dictator? He would have murdered millions!!! ANC have no idea what freedom means!!!

      Met - 2011-08-25 13:10

      They have never had the plot, so loosing it, not possible

      slg - 2011-08-25 13:12

      I don't have a problem with anything you've said. I have a serious problem with my government alienating my country from the right side of the international political spectrum, being categorized together with Zimbabwe and Venezuela after the high-character gained through the bringing down of Apartheid.

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 15:21

      Nato broke international law. make up your mind. do you want order or not? they were allowed to keep Libya's airforce grounded and take out targets that would be used to harm civilians. not groundforces. they had groundforces in libya. that was illegal. simple. if they wanted groundforces, than they should have taken it to the security council. it all seems logical. or maybe the US and Nato can just do whatever they want. i guess they do anyway. so f%%k the world.

  • Chris - 2011-08-25 12:40

    Completely agree, Nato should be prosecuted. They didnt do it to help, they did it to get the oil....they started the war, blood on their hands..punish them

      Together - 2011-08-25 12:45

      Dunno if the call to righteousness will have much effect, coming from a government that can't manage it's own civil servants and youth league - or recoup even 10% of the monies stolen and grafted from a struggling nation over even the last five years. If you want NATO to be brought to book, rather get functional governments to call for it - then the world will know that the objection is about law and not just based on hatred for the West.

      IC1 - 2011-08-25 12:52

      They were asked by the rebels to assist you idiot

      JohannV - 2011-08-25 12:52

      Chris, NATO only got involved once the boats full of Libyan refugees started pulling into NATO countries. Should they just have let hundreds of thousands of Lybians flood Europe? And the rebels WELCOMED the NATO help. Seriously, dude, did you really think SA's pathetic attempt at "peace" would have worn any fruit? We can't fix our own problems, but we're yapping at the big dogs because they get things done...

      Together - 2011-08-25 12:59

      Actually, it's fine, investigate NATO, but let it be done by SA courts: We can spend a year scrutinising the charges, then we can lose the dockets, threaten the witnesses, and the prosecutor can call in sick for a month. Just when the court reconvenes NATO can decide to change its lawyers (getting another postponement for 6 months), and in the interim NATO can get full pay and help attack another 3 countries (because you are presumed innocent until proven guilty). Then, when NATO is found guilty, it can be made to apologise and fined – but it can take 10 years to pay the fine if it likes - and then the world will promote it to a higher position. Nothing advances your career and enhances your personal power MORE than being investigated by the ANC....

      Dr. Zeek - 2011-08-25 13:08

      Hey chris, Nato ALREADY had the oil. Do you know ANYTHING about Libya, at all? If Nato wanted to protect its oil rights, it would have supported Gadaffi NOT the rebels... Your comment is nonssensical. Grow up and stop believing every conspiracy you read.

      Jakkie - 2011-08-25 13:09

      Yes sure, and Ghaddafi would have welcomed "discussions" with open arms? He was not prepared to discuss anything, just like all dictators (Mugabe etc), the only solution is to remove them by force!

      slg - 2011-08-25 13:13

      The same nonsense about the oil.

      Chris - 2011-08-25 13:53

      IC1 - if there is an idiot anywhere on here it is you, you have that narrow viewed tunnel vision thinking the world is just chirpy, if Nato had any concern what so ever for people, they would have got involved ages ago in Zimbabwe, more recently Seria. Think before you speak, Idiot. Cant believe some of these views. Nato does not care about human life, if they did, they wouldn’t have been bombing the place. They never do something for nothing. They assisted in overthrowing the country, new government is formed, get there claws in there and make brilliant deals to help them. Just like South Africa, the “world” powers helped, why? For nothing? Don’t think so Boet. Wake up and smell the roses.. I never said S.A should be calling itself judge, as they are hardly the perfect example, but i do support their statement. Nato is not in there for the people, it is never about the people.

      Chris - 2011-08-25 13:57

      Dr Zeek, you shouldnt grow up, you should just start growing a Brain. Easy to say my comments are nonessencial, i can call yours that too. Bring the facts not just swirl around insults, that is usually what grown up's do.... :)

      DeonL - 2011-08-25 14:00

      The oil was flowing freely to Europe before, but now it has stopped for about a year or more. It was not about the oil or Nato would have crushed the rebels.

      Chris - 2011-08-25 14:05

      Deon L, nice comment without having to hurl in insults :) Anyhow, unerstand what you are saying, but what is a year without higly priced oil under gadaffi rule, when after the rebels have taken over, for the next 10years it will be very low cost and terms defined by Nato?

      Virginia - 2011-08-25 14:09

      Chris NATO got involved because they were asked to by USA. People are always accusing USA of interfering because of the oil, and this is why Hilary Clinton suggested that NATO do the job.

      Chris - 2011-08-25 14:12

      Completely understand your view Virginia. All i am saying is, things dont get done for nothing, it is always for something. Why havent they jumped in helping Zimbabwe change governement when people are slaughtered, syria, somalia and the list goes on.....

      Wes - 2011-08-25 14:18

      Chris, you are an evil supporter of murderers.

      IC1 - 2011-08-25 14:21

      You really are stupid arent you BOET!!!

      JohannV - 2011-08-25 15:01

      Chris, NATO means "North Atlantic Treaty Organization" - pretty far from ZimBOBwe, don't you think? It's got nothing to do with them, for that you need the UN or the useless AU.

      Chris - 2011-08-25 15:08

      IC1 can your pea size brain come up with more words? hahaha..

      Chris - 2011-08-25 15:16

      JohannV - Egypt is close enough ( Next to libya infact ), Syria is even closer. Nato didnt jump into egypt to save them from their dictator, and neither are they in Syria, ( which is next to Iraq, they invaded not long ago ) In Syria, people are being shot openly by their governments...i bet, Saudi Arabia is next on the "claw" list....

      Chris - 2011-08-25 15:18

      Wes, gutted Nato shooting/bombing people are not murderers?

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 15:29

      Chris i agree to some extent. i do think that Libya's oil reserves is an issue that affected US involvement. but i think geographically speaking, Libya was a concern for Europe, hence Nato involvement. some of you seem to think that its some sort of good will why Libya is being helped out of the hands of a dictator. which is great because i think Gadaffi is an evil aweful human being and should've been removed years ago but lets just get this straight. involvement in Libya was in the US and Nato's favour. simple. whether it be for the oil or border security. Otherwise Syria would have been top priority. it isn't but it will soon become. they are just waiting for this war to end so they can move the fleet. top priority targets first. this is classic conflict politics.

      Chris - 2011-08-25 15:30

      Operation El Dorado Canyon, a 1986 United States air raid Ouadi Doum air raid, a 1986 French campaign Bombing of Libya....... Its not a new thing, the french got in there quickly, for a reason... and dont forget not so long ago, the release of the lockerbie bomber..not so long ago either.... Build the puzzle, dont be a sheep...

      Chris - 2011-08-25 15:35

      sjkranenburg - Couldnt have put it better myself.

      DeonL - 2011-08-25 16:25

      Chris the new Libya can sell theire oil to anyone in the world at the price the world agrees on, not what Nato wants. This is why the world use international prices for selling and buying oil and we use the same prices + levies to get our local petrol price.

  • Greyveytrain - 2011-08-25 12:43

    How the hell can JZ give NATO grief when MAJORITY of the Libyan population wants Gaddafi out? Maybe Gaddafi's actions of stealing so much of that countries wealth and awarding high profile positions to his close family and allies sits too close to home with Jacob Zuma! I hate the fact that we always sit on the fence with these countries who have the worst dictators in history!!!

  • shaunkd - 2011-08-25 12:43

    Have a BANANA!!

  • Pictureof - 2011-08-25 12:48

    All of a sudden this half brained , half president cares about courts and legal process.

  • Sleepazoid - 2011-08-25 12:49

    "Nato must probe SA violations - ICC"

      tut - 2011-08-25 12:56

      and ZANU-PF!

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 15:35

      SA violations? please explain. im sure it will hold up in court... not.

  • IC1 - 2011-08-25 12:51

    Oh please man, just because your cash flush buddy is getting his ass kicked into touch you want to cry foul??? They should investigate the relationship between Gaddafi and the ANC executive, I am sure it will be found to be "generally corrupt" also

  • FRpower - 2011-08-25 12:51

    And the AU cant even organise a piss up in a brewery. At least NATO did something,as for our deputy president.....well between all your tax payed lunches and free plane rides your a little to late to solve the Libya's problems.

      Virginia - 2011-08-25 14:15

      Yes, the AU should worry about whats happening on its own continent, we have 52 countries in crises, millions of people starving, over population in many of these countries, and check all swiss bank accounts for funds owing to these countries. The rest of the world can look after themselves, Africas people need you, NATO is not going to come and feed our people.

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 15:45

      @Virginia ... before i comment on your comment I would just like to inform you that Libya is part of the African continent. now that we understand that much - i would like to suggest that the real culprits following your logic is the Swiss banking system which allows for these dictators and corrupt officials to hide their money. On that note i would like to offer my support for the probe by the ICC (which hopefully after they read your words Virginia) into the Swiss government for crimes against humanity and aiding such acts. examples we can cite is the Second World War in which the Swiss allowed for Nazi trains loaded with Jews to be allowed through its country and supporting in other forms during WWII, like hoarding Nazi gold (which recently was admitted) and other valuables which weren't returned to their rightful owners (other countries and mostly Jews that were "exterminated"). Countless dictators that have hoarded their money in Swiss vaults. And of course my favourite, the average citizens that avoid taxes by hoarding it offshore. what do you think Virginia?

  • The Wonderer - 2011-08-25 12:54

    I think the ICC should investigate the ANC for human rights violations. There's so much evidence all over the country.

  • motsokwane - 2011-08-25 12:55

    Nothing will come out of the investigation my dear vice president, NATO is not an African Organisation put that in mind.Who master-mined the death of Sadam? and what happened to them and their lies? instead they are getting even more richer. My advise to you is, STAY AWAY FROM THE FIRE WHICH IS FAR FROM YOU AND DON'T FORGET YOUR DOMESTIC FIRE AND THAT IT MAY LEAD TO YOU AND YOUR PARTY TO BE PROBED.

      Together - 2011-08-25 13:04

      motsokwane, actually, it's fine, they should investigate NATO, but let it be done by SA courts: We can spend a year scrutinising the charges, then we can lose the dockets, threaten the witnesses, and the prosecutor can call in sick for a month. Just when the court reconvenes NATO can decide to change its lawyers (getting another postponement for 6 months), and in the interim NATO can get full pay and help attack another 3 countries (because you are presumed innocent until proven guilty). Then, when NATO is found guilty, it can be made to apologise and fined – but it can take 10 years to pay the fine if it likes - and then the world will promote it to a higher position. Nothing advances your career and enhances your personal power MORE than being investigated by the ANC....

      slg - 2011-08-25 13:15

      Do you want Libyans to have the right to vote? Do you want them to live free of oppression? Why are you supporting a regime that is even more brutal than Apartheid? Doesn't make sense.

      IC1 - 2011-08-25 13:15

      Agree with you motsokwane

  • tut - 2011-08-25 12:56

    Now Ive heard just about everything! The ANC is in full support of their terrorist buddy Qaddafi and yet we are a UN signatory! ANC = Terrorists!

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 15:49

      tut = idiot read the article slowly... this may help... it may

  • The Wonderer - 2011-08-25 12:56

    What the ANC fotgets is that, if the ICC should investigate NATO, they might as well invetigate the USA for their war on Iraq...

      slg - 2011-08-25 13:16

      What does this have to do with Libya? Nothing.

      tut - 2011-08-25 14:56

      You do have a point! Bush is as guilty as Qaddafi!

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 15:50

      It has to do with the article... oh sorry, you didn't read it... did you?

  • braamc - 2011-08-25 13:02

    Clear who they support. Why not host that f%&??face in SA and let the tax payer (us) pay for his life in luxury like all your filthy thieving ANC politicians. Whatever

  • Met - 2011-08-25 13:08

    At the same time they should ask Interpol to investigate the large scale plunder/theft by the ANC regime in SA

  • IC1 - 2011-08-25 13:14

    Gwede, what about the non-combatants that were EXECUTED by the loyalists?? I suppose in your dimwit mind that is ok. ICC should investigate if you people in the ANC Exec have any brains.... y bother, they already know the answer to that

  • Snys - 2011-08-25 13:15

    Sorry for you...African Union has no balls! Now they try this, while Bob still carries on abusing human rights, but that's OK!

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 15:53

      true, the AU doesn't have any balls. They probably wouldn't know how to use 'em if they did. but Nato did commit a violation of the UN agreement. hence a call for a ICC probe. there needs to be some order.

  • Heliac - 2011-08-25 13:15

    LEADERS OF THE WORLD, please note that the tripe spewed by our SA leaders is in direct conflict with the opinion of MOST 1ST WORLD TAX-PAYING SOUTH AFRICANS. Our country consists of two types of people (no, not black and white); 1st world citizens who support capitalism & the concept of earning what you own, and 3rd world citizens who support communism and the concept of being given what others own.

      Felix - 2011-08-25 13:28

      Unfortunately for us there are more lemmings and their votes count the same.

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 16:00

      Heliac doesn't understand political theory if it hit him in the face. he clearly doesn't understand that the first world he speaks of is half socialist. yes socialist. why? hospitals, government education, etc. government services = not capitalism. this is what most of you South Africans dont get. you hear communist or socialist and go into "rooi gevaar" attitude. capitalism is good but only when monitered. a good example is the US debt crisis. or maybe you'd like to deregulate our electricity like they did in california... you think Eskom is bad. so please stay quiet. eat some oats and stop thinking. it might hurt your brain.

  • Juan Coetzee - 2011-08-25 13:18

    Odd how we don't hear this ANC chairwarmer condemning a tyrant that had absolutely no problem bombing his own civilian population, and using mercenaries against them. Somehow It's OK to oppress your nation for 41 years according to Mr. Myopic, but it's wrong to help get rid of him? Please stop spouting your communist inspired drivel - you are embarrassing our country with your dimwitted blathering.

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 16:04

      as i continue reading the list of comments... it just gets worse. South Africa did condemn the killing. They are part of the Security Council. They voted for Nato intervention. and Juan, i'd rather be a communist compared to whatever you call yourself.

      DeonL - 2011-08-25 16:37

      I agree with Juan. It is not Okay to be associated with this tyrant just because he helped in the fight against apartheid many years ago.

  • sessisie - 2011-08-25 13:22

    The ANC loves dictators!

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 16:06

      As much as i despise the current ANC leadership. I despise you more sessisie. I can't believe you people exist. I'm sure this site is some sort of candid camera gag... Leon Schuster is that you?

  • iDubula - 2011-08-25 13:33

    I agree 100% - right after the ICC has probed every African dictator and despot, starting with Gadhaffi, and all their ministers and family members too. Might take a while to get round to NATO's turn in that case though...

  • Serias - 2011-08-25 13:33

    What about Human Rights Violations and genocide committed by the ANC government against their own people in SA?

      PAR - 2011-08-25 13:49

      Genocide against the whites is a daily occurrence but they do not think that is a problem.

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 16:25

      yes of course, the genocide against the whites.... Leon Schuster I know its you bru? I also heard guys that there's a genocide against the blacks. And also a genocide against the coloureds. so maybe its only going to be yellows left in South Africa by like 2015 bruuuu. i know it. at this point i'd like to point out that the above was a joke. i dont know how clever you guys are, so i thought i'd just be save and let you know. I also want to say that you have no facts or figures to support your statement and i would gladly like to see such information as to support your claims. otherwise i would just like to highlight that us "whites" got it pretty darn good in the new South Africa. Not only did we all get to keep our Apartheid wealth, we've been able to exploit it to create one of the biggest divides in wealth between the rich and the poor in the world. I think the US also needs some help on the scale. Think it was 39 just below Uganda i think. Let me just paste some facts for you guys. so please phone the ICC, i can't wait.

      EmptyCan - 2011-08-25 19:19

      @sjkranenburg..........take that black dildo out your butt and GFY!

  • RobertKay - 2011-08-25 13:35

    Oh get off it KM. There are more imprtant things to attend to in S.A. then you worrying about Ghadaffi and his murderous clan. He has stated he'll "fight" until the death - let the man have his wish, and if NATO cn assist him, let them be. Africa can't solve their own individual problems, so how they think they can solve another country's!!

  • Stinkhout - 2011-08-25 13:37

    Look, we all know everyone want to get their hands on the frozen Libyan funds. That way you can use that to pay your contractors to rebuild the infrastructure. This is what America will do and does in the other similar situations. So stop beating around the bush and state clearly that Africa wants to control the funds for reconstruction. Just think of all the nice new BMWs you can buy.

  • mSholozi - 2011-08-25 13:43

    they must pay for there crime! the african union was ready to solve the conflict but the west stopped them

      DeonL - 2011-08-25 16:39

      The AU would not be able to fix Libya in another 42 years. They can only do 1 thing right: talk.

  • Robbie - 2011-08-25 13:43

    Give it a rest... your man Gaddafi lost!

  • tokoloshe - 2011-08-25 13:44


      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 16:27

      the article published those words which supported the story. i don't think they support any of those regimes. i hope not.

  • youcantrunyoucanthide - 2011-08-25 13:46

    OK, so basically what we have here, is the old east vs west, communist vs capitalist confrontation. On the one side, SA and its communist chums are upset because one of their major allies and most trusted of friends, Gadaffi, has been overthrown with the help of the West (USA, France, etc). This, of course, does not serve their interests. The tyrant Gadaffi helped them into power. That's why we saw Gadaffi's forces using SA sniper rifles, and the rebels using US missile launchers.

      PAR - 2011-08-25 13:51

      CORRECT but what continues to amaze me is when they have screwed up completely and the masses are starving they are quite happy to take food and other aid from USA, France etc.

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 16:28

      oh god its back. rooooooooi gevaaaaaaar!!! the commies are coming!!!!! please grow up.

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-08-25 14:01

    What the? Motlanthe,with that stupid comment you have lost respect. Have you noticed that the people of Libya themselves asked for assistance from the UN and NATO because the were being killed by Gaddafi? How can you possibly side with Gaddafi?

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 16:31

      x = you have no brain. its the only solution to the equation: stupid comment + no knowledge of prior events = x

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-08-25 14:05

    Motlanthe, the people of Libya are very unhappy about the support they received from the AU. The AU efforts were an embarrassment. With your comment,the ANC have just confirmed their support for dictators.

  • IC1 - 2011-08-25 14:09

    Gwede, have you forgotten about Anton Hammerl and how your despot buddy lied to SA about him. Course you have, the only thing you can think about is how much you gonna miss Gaddafi's money

  • JustinD - 2011-08-25 14:12

    Why because your boyfriend has lost out on his thieving and murdering suck!!!!!!!!

  • Human Being - 2011-08-25 14:16

    @ Amos Rakgotso, please read carefully and widely in order to get the facts. Dont allow yourself to become a product on media propaganda orchestrated by the west.

  • mbuso.malale - 2011-08-25 14:37

    I totally agree with my Deputy President. Has anyone held a referundum to detect whether the Libyans were against Gaddafi or is the BBC, CNN, and all the western conrolled mediums that are portraying that message. NATO invaded Libya and killed more people than Gaddafi regime in the 42 years of ruling. Bombings and destruction of infrastructure just to get one person (Gaddafi) is not justifiable. NATO should face ICC. When are we going to learn to be independent thinkers other than racial assualts and shifting the main argument into the ANC. We are talking about Libya and NATO not the ANC. Lets be realistic, the killings were not necessary.No one is above the law and neither NATO has a license to kill innocent people (Africans for that matter).

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 16:45

      screw Gadaffi, even if a small majority wanted him in power it would be no thanks to the oppression of some. that isn't acceptable. but Nato broke the law, simple as that. they should've cleared it through an international agreement. deadly force needs to be the last option. always. and needs to be debated and measured.

  • Risen Ape - 2011-08-25 14:41

    Investigate genocide in South Africa and suspend it's membership to the UN.

  • williamq - 2011-08-25 15:04

    Snicker snicker... I think that there were a lot of dealings that we are not privy to. After SA voted on the Security Council, JZ suddenly made a dash for Tripoli to "negotiate". Why ? To try and achieve a compromise ? Did Ghadaffi start to make promises ? Why do you change your tune all of a sudden ? Sour grapes because you backed the wrong horse and will leave empty handed ? As for those who draw comparisons with Zimbabwe, get a reality check. Zim owns zero oil. Europe imported 62% of its oil from Libya.Why spend billions to bomb a country if you won't gain anything from it ? That me dear uninlightened, is Realpolitik.Anyhow, let's hope the oil price will come down now all is (hopefully) settled up there.

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 16:41

      good question williamq. it seems odd that the AU would quickly change positions. South Africa included. I wouldn't be surprised if South Africa had some economic interests in Libya under pressure.

  • Spyker May - 2011-08-25 15:37

    100% Jakkie.., It is all simply a veiled effort to keep their despotic cronies in control, so they can thrive off the manic oppression of their own people, in unison. You do not have to look much further than the Gadaffis' assets to see the absurd disparities between the have- and the have-not's in (eg) Libya. Look at the incongruous 'compound' Gadaffi had constructed - we were on the verge of having our own DESPOT DUNGEON (being built) in Sandton, by that fat little roach, the Trust-fund Toddler. The ANC, Mugabe and Gadaffi was busy constructing an axis despotic oppression - they must certainly feel uncomfortable to see it crumbling. I demand that the DA formally distance reasonable SAcans from the ANC's manic madness.

      sjkranenburg - 2011-08-25 16:38

      It hurts me so much because i really don't like the ANC leadership. I despise Malema. But somehow i really just don't like people who spew utter lies. Every fact you touch upon has a smear of the obscene and screams absurdity. "The ANC, Mugabe and Gadaffi was busy constructing an axis despotic oppression"... it's like reading that madman from Norways manifesto. i hope you dont go crazy someday. and don't worry, the DA will distance themselves from you.

  • Ajaykumar - 2011-08-25 16:09

    Firstly...I am not with the stupid people who simply attack the ANC because they feel that it is the in thing to do or are stuck in the bitter past and who use any forum to air their 'supposed' marginalisation in South Africa. That being said...If South Africa, through it's represetative government, has proof of ill doing on the part of Nato or if they have a solution to the Libyan crisis that did not tolerate the loss of innocent lives at the hands of Gaddafi, then they have every right to implement it or investigate and present eveidence to the ICC. However, from what I have seen, South Africa together with the AU tolerates the loss of life in Africa and continues on a path of diplomacy. The AU has not demonstrated that it is intolerant to the loss of innocent life and acts in a manner that is required to preserve life. In Zimbabwe, in Rwanda, in the DRC, West Africa...time and again, the AU has had opportunities to intervene in a robust and active manner that would have, in the long run, protected the loss of life and helped sustain property and economy. Their policy of attempting to massage a solution shows the AU has no spine and has no will to act when diplomacy fails. Moaning and groaning about someone who does act is pointless. If you have a solution then implement it. If you do not then keep quiet. As a South African, I do not appreciate our leaders making unsubstantiated, ill thought out utterances. This makes you look like an ignorant, stupid leader.

  • letsee - 2011-08-25 20:33

    Mr. Deputy President, the winners set the rules and South Africa opted to side with the losers. Thus the ANC lost millions in sponshorship and lost credibility in the eyes of the Arab League and the Libyans.

  • Mason - 2011-08-25 21:55

    It has amazed me how they shout out 'ABUSE' on the world stage when we have the likes of Malema (AKA P#$@) shouting everything to the whites and even neighbouring countries!! Clean up your own back yard before shouting at the rest of the world you bunch of communist C*&^%#!!!

  • Boer - 2012-01-13 01:56

    ZUMS the ICC might prosecute you and your corrupt ANC government. Whatever you say means nothing anyway you SOD.

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