ICD seeks Boksburg murder witnesses

2012-02-24 22:30

Johannesburg - People who saw the killing of a Boksburg man, allegedly by a police sergeant, should come forward, the Independent Complaints Directorate (ICD) said on Friday.

Rean Ramdin, 29, was shot and killed, allegedly by the policeman after being arrested for drug possession during a raid at Presley's nightclub in Boksburg, east of Johannesburg, last Saturday.

ICD spokesperson Moses Dlamini urged witnesses to contact the Johannesburg branch at 011-220-1500.

Beeld newspaper reported on Monday that Ramdin was handcuffed when he was shot.

The policeman, identified by SABC radio news and Eyewitness news as Raymond le Roux, was granted R2 000 bail by the Boksburg Magistrate's Court on Wednesday.

In court, Le Roux said Ramdin escaped from a police van, and that he fired nine warning shots.

The last bullet accidentally hit Ramdin in his chest.

  • Chris - 2012-02-24 23:35

    Having been in the back of a police van in my younger years, and also having served as a reservist at Linden Police station for a short while later in my life, I'd like to ask the question as to how exactly this handcuffed prisoner escaped from the back of a normal SAPS bakkie if standard procedures were followed.

      Bokfan - 2012-02-24 23:57

      It was murder plain and simple.

      Marion - 2012-02-25 00:01

      Hi Chris. I can't understand that either. Also, according to this report warning shots were fired and the last one hit him by accident. Aren't warning shots supposed to be fired into the air, not at the suspect?

      Chris - 2012-02-25 02:14

      Heya Marion, the entire story stinks from every angle, I'd love to know how this guy was supposed to have managed to get out of a properly secured police van, nevermind the fact that a handcuffed person is seriously impeded in terms of trying to run away. Regardless, even if this guy did a David Copperfield and managed to unlatch the door on the van, and then tried to run away, why exactly was he shot dead? He posed no danger to the police nor public present, as he was handcuffed. As I stated in my earlier comment, I did my stint as a reservist for a while because I believed that it was the right thing to do, being pro-active in your own neighborhood etc, but it didn't take long to actually see the rot, the corruption, the negative attitude and general apathy to the public which soured the deal for me. Anyway, the guy was murdered, a handcuffed prisoner poses zero risk to a cop with a standard issue pistol, nevermind the fact that there's stories doing the rounds that he was shot with an Assault Rifle.

      Marion - 2012-02-25 08:02

      Chris, your comment about a person being 'seriously impeded' is spot on. In a comment on the first posting about this poor guy's death I commented that someone running with handcuffs on would be unlikely to maintain his balance. Also, as you say, if the vehicle had been secured as it was supposed to be, how on earth could a handcuffed man open it from the inside? There is definitely more to this than meets the eye and the fact that cops are taking pot shots at unarmed civilians makes my blood run cold. As you say, in handcuffs he posed no danger to anyone.

  • Passop - 2012-02-25 05:15

    Unless warning shots were fired directly at him, i fail to see how a "warning shot" could've hit him in the chest. SAPS FAIL!

  • Dave - 2012-02-25 05:49

    What I fail to understand is how do hit a person running away from you in the chest? Should it not have been in the back?

  • Dave - 2012-02-25 05:50

    I fail to understand how you hit a person running away from you in the chest, should it not have been in the back?

  • Roy - 2012-02-25 06:25

    No wonder nobody has time or feelings for the police any more. I do not believe that that are decent cops in the force today if you look at how corrupt they are and the force they use to subdue a prisoner.

  • Marcia Thompson Wessels - 2012-02-25 07:12

    I too don`t understand how someone running {away} is shot in the chest, hallo people!

  • dhuysamen1 - 2012-02-25 07:48

    Funny this habit of firing so-called "warning shots". I served as a real policeman for three decades and in all that time as well as studying law at Unisa I have never come across any section of any law that mentions, never mind authorises, the firing off of a warning shot. Could any-one out there enlighten me as to where in our legal system warning shots are mentioned and / or sanctioned. In this case the so-called escapee from custody was shot in the chest by a so-called policeman after firing nine "warning shots". Was the dead man running towards this criminal wearer of a police uniform at the time or did one of the nine bullets make a U-turn ? This is pre-meditated murder, plain and simmple.

      Marion - 2012-02-25 08:07

      There was a time when I fetched my daughter, who was working as a waitress, from a night shift. We saw that we were being followed by a car with tinted windows. Returning to the parking area at the centre, because we were feeling extremely nervous about going home to an empty house, we phoned the cops and asked if they could escort us back home. A vehicle duly arrived and they escorted us home and waited until we were safely inside. I would be too scared to do that today. Is that the way we should feel about the people who are supposed to serve and protect us? I think not. That said, I don't think that all cops are bad, but the bad ones are giving the good ones a very bad name.

      Sylvester Mohloli - 2012-02-25 08:15

      as far as i know, firing any shot in a public place is an offence, unless a life is in danger

  • Wayne Malcime Peterson - 2012-02-25 23:06

    I reali don't understand hw this police got that right, shooting from the back but u hit the chest, SAPS are the ones committing the crimes nowadays. Shoot to kill..nonsense they are the criminals today. I have no trust in any of them. Thorough hate.

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