ISIS recruiting in SA - report

2014-11-23 08:01

Cape Town - An estimated 140 South Africans have reportedly joined the Islamic State (ISIS) insurgency to fight in Iraq and Syria, with at least three already killed in action.

According to the Sunday Independent, Iraq’s ambassador to South Africa Dr Hushaim al-Alawi has confirmed the men’s deaths, saying they were covered up as car accidents.

He said he had notified the Department of International Relations and Co-operation but Department of State Security spokesperson Brian Dube said he was unaware of any South Africans joining ISIS but said intelligence officials would look into it.

According to the newspaper, ISIS is actively recruiting South Africans in the country, and raising funds under the guise of humanitarian aid.

Al-Alawi said that one of the deceased, a 24-year-old man, was recruited by a group in Gauteng that uses the slogan of supporting refugees and orphans. The deceased had travelled with a group of young men from Azaadville and Lenasia.

Armed forced of foreign states

The other two victims were a 26-year-old from Vereeniging and a 54-year-old man from Cape Town.

It is illegal for South Africans to participate in the armed forces of foreign states, render foreign military assistance and take part in armed groups.

As reported by News24 late last month, Jihadists from more than 80 countries have flocked to fight in Iraq and Syria on an "unprecedented scale",according to a UN report.

The UN claims that about 15 000 people have travelled to fight alongside ISIS and other hardcore militant groups from countries that have not previously faced challenges relating to al-Qaeda.

The number of foreign jihadists travelling to fight since 2010 exceeds the cumulative total of the 20 preceding years "many times", added the Security Council study.

At the time, Britain's top police officer, Bernard Hogan-Howe, estimated that five people a week were leaving the country UK alone to fight with ISIS. British security officials estimate that there are currently around 500 British nationals fighting in Syria and Iraq.

The UN warned that more nations than ever face the problem of dealing with fighters returning from the battle zone.

The report was produced by a committee that monitors al-Qaeda, and concluded that the once mighty and feared group was now "manoeuvring for relevance" following the rise of the even more militant ISIS, which was booted out of al-Qaeda by leader Ayman al-Zawahiri.

Despite the split, the UN concluded that the legal basis for US President Barack Obama's fight against ISIS was justified by its ideological congruence with al-Qaeda, and considered the two groups as part of a broader movement.

"Al-Qaeda core and Isil (ISIS) pursue similar strategic goals, albeit with tactical differences regarding sequencing and substantive differences about personal leadership," the UN wrote.

No boots on the ground

Obama has vowed he will not order a large force into combat in Iraq or Syria, relying instead on air power and local forces.

But his "no boots on the ground" pledge is coming under pressure amid growing calls for advisers and forward air controllers to deploy with Iraqi or Kurdish soldiers to help direct air raids and plan operations.

The ISIS group's "cosmopolitan" use of social media, "as when extremists post kitten photographs", was attracting a new breed of foreign fighters who are put off by the more dogmatic communication tactics of al-Qaeda, said the report.

ISIS leaders recognise "the terror and recruitment value of multichannel, multi-language social and other media messaging," it added.

The UN agreed with the Obama administration that "core al-Qaeda remains weak", but argued that its demise had only paved the way for more bloody groups, for whom "cross-border attacks - or attacks against international targets - remain a minority."

  • bruce.field1 - 2014-11-23 08:07

    Good for us get them out the country .

      Jurgen Hartmann - 2014-11-23 08:19

      The more the better, let them get rubbed out. Nutters.

      Piet Snot714 - 2014-11-23 08:35

      And make sure that they are never allowed back into the RSA even if they are citizens of SA.

      Ella Mental - 2014-11-23 08:54

      The problem is, and I've said it before, every Muslim believes in the Caliphate and that is why they will all say that they are "anti violence and anti killing innocents" whilst not one of ("the pious") will take an active stand against ISIS because the Koran advocates jihad and that is exactly what ISIS are doing. Just watch (next time they have a march against Israel because it's pretty obvious that they won't march against ISIS) and you will see how many Jihadi (black with white Arabic writing) and Caliphate (white with black Arabic writing) flags there are. All Muslims believe in Sharia and all Muslims believe in the Caliph, so expect more S Africans to join ISIS.

      Buzzbar - 2014-11-23 09:11

      3 down, 137 to go....

  • peterroy.logan - 2014-11-23 08:08

    Good riddance

      Akhenaten C.T. - 2014-11-23 08:46

      And good to know about them. Now we know whom to watch.

      Buzzbar - 2014-11-23 09:14

      Speaking of which, where are the local Muslims such as Sumaiya Hanslod, her pal Fareed and all the others that have to much to say about Palestine? They are typical Islamocrites ( Muslim hypocrites). Tjoep stil when it comes to condemning their own kind....

  • Thabo Khaca Khambani-Baloyi - 2014-11-23 08:09

    I won't be suprised if we had Al-Shabaab militants in the country. I really think our intelligence is letting us down.

      Andre Wagener - 2014-11-23 08:14


      Liz Clarke - 2014-11-23 08:41

      They are too busy trying to make No 1's problems "go away" - everybody is watching everybody to see who talks out of turn.

      Urich Mmatlou - 2014-11-23 09:14

      We are very late, watch the space.How many south africans are doing businesses illegally outside our borders, very few.But this people are doing as they wish in our beloved country.

  • Karl Kat - 2014-11-23 08:09

    Well SA openly supports Hamas and it's no supprise if Al Quada and Isis agents freely move around in SA. After all they and the Anc have a lot in common

  • Lucky Sithole - 2014-11-23 08:09

    Its not suprising given our home affairs im certain that the victims are not native South Africans ,they are travelling on a fake passport cant we see the rot lets clean our country before its too late.

      Herendithelesson - 2014-11-23 08:46

      It's too late already

  • Retief Potgieter - 2014-11-23 08:10

    If they recruit in CaNAda,USA,Aus and Brittain,why not RSA....I would be surprised if there is not an AL Queda headquartes here

      Helen Jones - 2014-11-23 09:09

      I think there is , somewhere along the Garden route, if I'm not mistaken

  • Danie Garner - 2014-11-23 08:10

    Do not let them return!

  • Ernest Nhlangoti - 2014-11-23 08:10

    Soon they ll will be suicide bombers in our country.

  • Stuart Martin Edkins - 2014-11-23 08:12

    iI will donate a new tea towel for each of the numbnuts who wish to go!

  • BrandonFaber - 2014-11-23 08:14

    What a bunch of $&@$tards. Muslims will need to step up to the plate and sort this out - or run the risk of the growing "stigma" becoming a wide spread norm.

  • Huge Mar - 2014-11-23 08:18

    Boycott anything Halaal. .otherwise you are financing terrorism!!

  • Hlekanezitha Nxumalo - 2014-11-23 08:20

    The clueless opposition parties like DA and eff will blame president Zuma and ANC for this

      Donovan Dunn - 2014-11-23 08:22


      johan.weakley - 2014-11-23 08:30

      You are clueless. What's the matter with people like you??!! Open your idiot eyes and see what is going on around you!

      Grant Wright - 2014-11-23 08:30

      Yes they must blame Zupta, The spineless coward who only serves himself and his cadres.

      Goran Nanini - 2014-11-23 08:30

      You are a clueless piece of sh**!

      BrandonFaber - 2014-11-23 08:31

      Clueless eh? Name ONE state department or para-statal (excluding SARS) that's run with any level of efficiency. ONE. Go ahead, I'm waiting.

      Colin Rotheringham - 2014-11-23 08:51

      It's not about blame. It's about responsibility. They are completely without principle.

      Seth Pro - 2014-11-23 09:01

      You are a fool,you have no reasoning capacity idiot!!

  • Victor Fedrick - 2014-11-23 08:20

    It has finaly fear and worry is coming to pass....govt must act fast to stop the spread of deadly disease isis from spreading across the country...and it neighbouring countries.

  • Des Kiely - 2014-11-23 08:23

    Good riddance to bad rubbish

  • Sipho Tshakela - 2014-11-23 08:24

    Its damning revealations I guess but SA will make a suitable ground. This country is full of violent and murderous people hence we are unoffically the murder capital of the world. Its quite scurry stuff I must say.

  • Pieter Heaney - 2014-11-23 08:27

    What is the problem or you die here by the hands of your own people or you go die there.

  • Humeira Mogalia - 2014-11-23 08:29

    This is disturbing to say the least. We need to find out which agencies are posing for humanitarian aid but funding this evil. Also need to know how are they going about their recruitment process so that we can shut this down. We can't afford to have these maniacs in our country or recruiting from our country. This needs to stop now. As for the fool who reckons that halaal certification supports terrorism. I see you are quite uneducated by making such an obsurd statement.

  • jellywaba - 2014-11-23 08:30

    As much as Jews are entitled to go to Israel, so Muslims should be allowed to go to the Islamic State. It is our homeland now, and can only be founded with blood, as was Israel. Just as much as Muslims don't recognize that state, we don't expect you to recognize ours. Nor do we care less.

      Humeira Mogalia - 2014-11-23 08:49

      Dude are you for real? Which hole did u crawl out of. If u belive so strongly in ISIS why are you still here? SA doesn't need or want you and us Muslims don't need you kind in our society.

      Colin Rotheringham - 2014-11-23 08:51

      Your days are numbered. Step into the meat grinder. It is waiting with open arms for you.

      Ella Mental - 2014-11-23 09:01

      Said like a true terrorist. Well done Osman Bux. At least you show your true colours. Please go now, you are not wanted here.

  • Tamane Pelo - 2014-11-23 08:31

    I say let those who left to join isis be stripped off their citizenship, i guess again the problem with our country is we let in eveeything way too easily. How do we know that all the somalis and pakistanis opening up tuck shops and businesses are not bank rolled by terrorists groups? It makes no sense whatsoever to see 3 tuckshops in the same street yet they are always fully stocked, are they paying taxes, are they registered anywhere. Its time that this dumb govt start looking into these, i wont be suprised if the guptas are the recruitment agents.

      Humeira Mogalia - 2014-11-23 08:52

      I have to agree. I have always asked the same question. How do foreigners come into our country and can setup shop overnight yey no one inspects them ever. The cops who do make a turn only go there to collect their weekly bribes.

  • Grant Wright - 2014-11-23 08:32

    This is the very reason I will not give a cent to any charity.

      Sipho Tshakela - 2014-11-23 08:38

      How can you be so naïve Grant.

      Grant Wright - 2014-11-23 08:45

      I don't know were my money lands up so I don't give. These bunny huggers HR consultants are the biggest funders of terrorism. Give all your money away I can assure you I don't give a flying toss.

  • greg.badenhorst.1 - 2014-11-23 08:32

    The world united against fascist regimes like the nazis.Since the fall of the seat of communism.The world has not faced a threat to humanity as we know it like Islam.As then,the sane world needs to take a stand against the threat that Islam poses to everybody.As this scourge is everywhere.Where there is a mosque.You will find people thinking this way.They all do.they might not say.but they believe that Islam will rule the world.this is what their book says.many more innocents will die before the world will have enough.

      Humeira Mogalia - 2014-11-23 08:43

      Oh Greg. Your story is getting a bit lame now. Painting all us Muslims with the same brush. From your name I could also automatically assume you're a Christian and therefore society should automatically label you a pheadophile and treat you as such but that would be wrong wouldn't it because the sins of a few are not the sins of all.

      Danie Deon Coetzee - 2014-11-23 08:48

      I agree,Greg!!.

      Colin Rotheringham - 2014-11-23 08:53

      Terrorist, you're a lowlife who's knows little and who will not be here for long, the way you are going.

      Colin Rotheringham - 2014-11-23 09:15

      Jakes, he's one of them. Wake up.

  • C'est moi - 2014-11-23 08:33

    State security was unaware ? - Intelligence (wat jy waar kry ?) will look into it ? - Only 140 ? - Will the be welcomed back ? - Could the department of health also be unaware of anything ? (and I don't mean paying their bills)

  • criticallyhonest - 2014-11-23 08:33

    OK...go there and spread HIV/AIDS amongst the rest of the rabid, brain-dead, effluent of society.

      Goran Nanini - 2014-11-23 08:40

      And Ebola too

  • Kelly O'Neill - 2014-11-23 08:40

    I see you like to hide behind that cloth Ismael just as your ancestrol mother Hagar did!

  • Michael Ndalama Mwale - 2014-11-23 08:40

    South Africa is becoming a security threat to the southern African region because of its involvement with Arabs, which is leading to the Arabisation of both the ANC and the country. I'm of the opinion that the SADC must convene a security meeting as a matter of urgency at which it should seek to reduce the influence of the corrupt South African government in regional affairs as a way of minimising its threat to peace in the region. The ANC is a corrupt organisation which is intent on secretly selling not only South Africa, but the SADC, to the Arabs and it must have its wings clipped before it is too late.

  • pikes.stellenbosch - 2014-11-23 08:42

    Hahaha All you wannabe terrorists. You will be killed quickly. You think you are so clever and powerfull. BEE and EE wont help you much on a battlefield

  • Klein Swartbooi - 2014-11-23 08:42

    Would you believe in a god that encourages the brutal rape and killing of innocent people. I pity the fools..

      Bongani Nkosi - 2014-11-23 09:01

      Only ANC believe in that God,that is why,they support Hamas in Gaza.

  • Dan Danukdhari - 2014-11-23 08:43

    Our crime intelligence needs to get a bit intelligence,terrorists are going to walk allover us,if we are going to rely on others to tell us what is going on in our country

  • Proud S MaJilah - 2014-11-23 08:44

    ISIS recruit from South Africa. There is no any wrong doing in recruiting from across the edges of Earth, why should it give us a headache when ISIS recruits fighters across the world, while US has recruited and still recruit worse from Federal and Republic Militant groups and Republic Militarily. It is still in our understanding that it is US who have a dream to see humans extinct, US remains the powerful thread of human life on this planet, The ISIS recruited members from South Africa are by no doubt sympathizing with the children America perpetually slaughtering in Syria, gas bombed children and communities, Why the world should believe US is doing the right thing by killing children and their parents in disguise of Wars against their own self created terrorists, It is still at the disposal of our knowledge that ISIS is a brain child of US, Until Iraq hand over its entire oil to US, ISIS will forever in operation, it will just change names years after years, the people of Libya are in penury, a deadly destitution because the world had to succumb to the fact that Muammar Al-Gaddafi is a terrible terrorist...the world and media surrendered him a terrorist which US had to deal with. Now ask yourself how did that be at the rescue of Lybian people. Didn't US recruit from Militant Groups to new born babies to attack their own president?. When will the world realize how the red striped flag defines evil? When will the world realize that US creator of the world's deadliest terrorisms? We refuse to be mentally raped into believing the illusions of US and its nincompoop tactics.

      Colin Rotheringham - 2014-11-23 08:54

      Step into the meat grinder too with your stupidity, ignorance and racism. It is waiting for you.

      DerpyHooves - 2014-11-23 09:12

      Please, please go to the noble cause, Sharia is such a beautiful honourable code and tell us first hand how wonderful ISIS is... Assuming you live long enough, that is.

  • Urich Mmatlou - 2014-11-23 08:46

    Where is our intelligence team? Islam is a real threat to our mother earth.This spaza shops from somalis are the ones that are sponsoring this illegal operations.

      Colin Rotheringham - 2014-11-23 08:55

      More racism. The Somali spaza-shops. What are you thinking, man.

  • Diran Pillay - 2014-11-23 08:47

    Why are people surprised?

  • Shawn Morom Rabe - 2014-11-23 08:50

    Recently a South African had a criminal complaint laid against him for fighting in the Israeli Defence Force, by Muslim's, as it is illegal according to our SA law to be involved in combat in a foreign war/battle. Criminal charges should and must therefore be laid against these SA citizens as well. I wonder if this will be done?

  • Bongani Hlongwa - 2014-11-23 08:51

    Its heartbreaking that in our midst, we have people with rotten mentality of being part of these savages, ISIS; some of them recruiting for ISIS, and some of them joining ISIS in its despicable acts of murdering men who are not part of them, and keeping their females, they call their spoils of war, as sex slaves. These people or their corpses should not be allowed to come back to our country. If that is impossible, those coming back alive should be tried for atrocities committed by ISIS and be sentenced to the maximum prison sentences. Its a pity that our country is run by a regime which is sympathetic to violent criminals, and constantly refuse to hang them, indirectly sending a clear message to us that it does not care about the safety and security of law abiding citizens. If we had a people friendly regime with the death penalty in place, I would be calling for a death penalty for those South Africans who are either recruiting or joining ISIS, if caught here in South Africa.

  • Frekkie Patsa - 2014-11-23 08:51

    We are going to arrest them when they come back.They must ask Boeremag, more 15 years of trial.We are going to destroy their lives and their families future

      Jacob Rasebonang - 2014-11-23 09:02

      @ frekkie, their lives are already being destroyed coz of unemployment.

  • Tituz Van der Thiba - 2014-11-23 08:52

    ISIS!!! Recruits here in SA!! Well anythin is possible here i wudn't b suprised...may b even weaponry they being funded here

  • Siyavuya Mavume - 2014-11-23 08:53

    Haawu cha sengiyesaba kemanje umasekunje le ISIS umasethola abantu lakithi?haweee mayebabo socashaphi namakhanda wethu boo phela bayanqumana labantu.La abahambile bayofundela ukunqumathina hawuu,cha zidontse mfo kaMsholozi ne ANC esiphethe boo sekuyabheda ke manje!ISIS ithola abantu bokulwa la,eNigeria yiBoko Haram,Somalia &Kenya Al Shabaab hawuu manje soyikhotha imbenge yomile yilabantu baka Allah!

  • Bongani Nkosi - 2014-11-23 08:54

    I think the ANC will enjoy this,since they like terrorism,then I ask myself ,what are the duties our intelligence if they know nothing about this IS recruiting matter,most countries are well aware of the number of thier citize ns,who joins IS and inform thier citizens.

  • Frekkie Patsa - 2014-11-23 08:54

    Dont worry my friends,15 years of trial is waiting for them.Special Task force will be waiing for them at the airport

      lee.rodrigues - 2014-11-23 11:39

      Ugly comment Frekkie.

  • Jacob Rasebonang - 2014-11-23 08:55

    I don't see any problem with that coz our goverment failed us, most of the youth are unemployed today coz of corrupt goverment. Best ex soldiers are roaming the street withought jobs what are they expect them to do. Just grab the opportunity when arise.

  • Mjalefa Mzananda - 2014-11-23 08:55

    Tel me hw cn ths ottoman empire cald USA handle ths crusade. I thnk IS has found a perfect strategy 2 take on ths empirialist systm bt my money is on IS.

      Colin Rotheringham - 2014-11-23 09:08

      What a heartless idiot you are. Wake up.

      lee.rodrigues - 2014-11-23 11:41

      I pay that God will protect your family from being abducted and beheaded by these extremists

  • Ennio Morricone - 2014-11-23 08:56

    I wonder if there are any christians in Saud arabia.

  • Frekkie Patsa - 2014-11-23 09:00

    Terrorist I tell you the truth, we know how to treat the ISIS supporters.We are going to give them the longest trial.Somewhere around 15 years, then we will sentence them to 50 yearsl

  • TheJaydedKing - 2014-11-23 09:03

    I dont get why everyone would be against this? We should advertise it in all local mosques, put in television adverts and try to get as many of those radical muslims out our country.

  • Hentie Vollgraaff - 2014-11-23 09:04

    As far as I know SA citizens are allowed to join British armed forces because SA is part of the commonwealth. Has something changed?

  • Frekkie Patsa - 2014-11-23 09:06

    Muslims are Satan's ally, those who went there will never come back as they aregoing to be killed by US drones

  • rorypreddy - 2014-11-23 09:07

    Blame bds

  • Imraan Maal Man Khan - 2014-11-23 09:08

    Yaa very amusing article this is. I live in lenasia bt I dnt c anythn of this sort happening.I c thousands of men in beards n islamic attire. I c thousands of womn in hijaab n niqaab. Not 1 terrorist bombn in the 50 years of this places existence. Infact the only action terror close 2 lenasia was the 2001 bombn of a mosque in dlamini soweto by the BOEREMAG. Whateva happnd 2factual honest journalism...I guess its propaganda n senssationalism that sells!

      Colin Rotheringham - 2014-11-23 09:12

      Sadly, you're way out of touch. This is why out of your culture and religion the most violent madness is happening around the world. Wake up and take a stand.

  • Nomore War - 2014-11-23 09:09

    Hence why I don't support muslim business's they must be funding asis these radical maniacs barbarians giving everyone of them a bad reputation and shutting doors. Take your crapppy religion out of here. Go slaughter your chickens somewhere els!! Stupidity

  • GIBRAN786 - 2014-11-23 09:10

    I lov to see people like Frikkie Pasts jerk off! Pricesless

  • George Luke - 2014-11-23 09:10

    Joining dat group is lyk digging ur own grave, ISIS please recruit all de criminals including de one who killed Senzo so dat we can live in peace n let them get killed.