Joburgers on Mangaung: It doesn't matter

2012-12-12 15:38

Johannesburg - It does not matter who wins in Mangaung, things will remain the same, people in and around Johannesburg said on Wednesday.

In Soweto, most residents believed the ANC's national conference in Mangaung next week would not change the problems they faced every day.

"It does not matter. Even if it is [Deputy President Kgalema] Motlanthe who is elected [as president of the ANC], we will still face the same problems we are facing today," said Bon Mabasa.

"The people who will be electing will not be thinking about us. Actually I don't care," he said.

Mabasa said President Jacob Zuma would retain his position as the president of the ANC.

"The people around him are trying to make us believe that he [Zuma] is the right president for us. They are doing this because they know they want to gain something from him," he said.

Martin Nyembo, 28, a car guard at Maponya Mall, said the country was failing because of Zuma.

"I need another president in the ANC. If you are the president you are supposed to think about people, and Zuma is not doing that," he said.

"There are just too many problems in the country, and we need to change everything."

A woman selling pots at the mall said she could not talk about the ANC because she was not a "politician".

"I don't know about all these things. I don't know about Mangaung," said the woman, who asked not to be named.

Shopper Kenneth Ditibane, 50, said it would be good for the country to have a new president.

"Let them elect Motlanthe. He is educated and is better than Zuma."

Emmanuel Inanga, 28, a student at the Vaal University of Technology, who is originally from the Democratic Republic of Congo, said the ANC-led government needed to change.

"I am no fan of Zuma. When Zuma came, everything went wrong. Things were better with [former president Thabo] Mbeki," he said.

"If I was South African, I would vote for the DA [Democratic Alliance]."

Bongane Ngcobo, a 32-year-old unemployed man, said: "It doesn't make a difference to my life who is elected as ANC president."

In Sandton, people were hesitant to talk about the conference, because they were not interested in it and felt it would not affect their lives in any way.

However, a woman who initially declined to comment when asked her opinion on the state of the country later turned around and said: "It's bad. The country is bad. That is all you need to know."

Another said: "I don't give a damn about Mangaung."

Both asked not to be named.

Thingahangawi Makhado, a 21-year-old business management student, said: "Honestly, I don't care much [about Mangaung], but I think President Jacob Zuma is going to win because a lot of people support him."

He was not excited about the ANC elective conference and was "only interested in the outcome".

Daleen Viljoen, a 39-year-old administration clerk at a public school, said she was not into politics, but had views about the future of the ANC.

"If we look at what has happened over the last year, with all the unrest, things are not so positive," she said.

"It's time for a new growth path for South Africa. Change would be good."

On the West Rand, Mandla Mngomezulu, who works as a merchandiser at Westgate Mall, said he had faith in Zuma.

"The right president is the same one ruling the country now. Motlanthe is too soft.

"There is no other man who can take this position... let's give Zuma another five years. Cyril [Ramaphosa] can be a deputy president," he said.

An unnamed man at the entrance to the mall said: "I don't have anything to say. Fuck the ANC."

The conference is scheduled to begin in Mangaung on Sunday.

The party will choose its leaders, and will decide on policies on its internal structure, its future as a political party, the country's economy, nationalisation of mines, and land reform.

  • kalabafazi - 2012-12-12 15:43

    The unnamed man at the mall entrance summed it up perfectly. I would like to say the same here.

      azukani - 2012-12-12 15:50

      I share the same sentiments with the guy.

      john.kirkwood.9619 - 2012-12-12 15:56

      i am with joburg on this, just another waste of money.

      bruce.williams.1044186 - 2012-12-12 16:00

      There goes more taxpayer money. Waste of time!

      travis.vermaak - 2012-12-12 16:02

      It doesn't matter because the whole thing is a farce!

      fanie.viljoen.73 - 2012-12-12 16:04

      Nothing will change, lets hope the voters will change their minds next election.

      shaun.miekle - 2012-12-12 22:00

      Mangaung is the capital of the planet of the apes where the ANC primates will gather

  • zuma.compound - 2012-12-12 15:47

    The minimum voting age is 18. Rather have a minimum IQ requirement.

      kalabafazi - 2012-12-12 15:51

      The lines at the voting booths would be much shorter.

      JanGrimbeek - 2012-12-12 15:55

      Thats also 18 LOL, reason for the electorates choice.

  • lyndol.lyons - 2012-12-12 15:48

    High five to the unnamed man outside the mall.

      fanie.viljoen.73 - 2012-12-12 16:07

      He knows what he talks about. Good opinion indeed.

  • shimeAschendorf - 2012-12-12 15:54

    Well done unnamed man and go vote DA

  • Eterni80 - 2012-12-12 15:57

    how about we elect the unnamed man at the mall for president ?

  • johnny.better.12 - 2012-12-12 15:57

    The unnamed man could have been me: "F*ck the ANC!"

  • lydonmcg - 2012-12-12 15:58

    Yet they flock to vote for the ANC.

  • mpho.e.mogashui - 2012-12-12 15:58


  • Adeeb Saban - 2012-12-12 16:00

    I am the unnamed man

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-12 17:02

      Don't lie, it was me.....hehehe....

      george.frangs - 2012-12-12 17:16

      I'm Batman.

  • thabani.alfred - 2012-12-12 16:02

    ANC branches and members have n will speak through vote in mangaung,we don't care what non ANC members and opesitions thinks of our long as we still have AA which will affect me directly,m happy about my ANC going foward.

      travis.vermaak - 2012-12-12 16:06

      What the unnamed man said

      zuma.compound - 2012-12-12 16:10

      Alcoholics Anonymous?

      mark.corrigan.3910 - 2012-12-12 16:18

      Clearly you need AA to make a living...

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-12-12 16:22

      Because you know there is someone that can do your job much better than you.

      nic.nomicos.3 - 2012-12-12 17:00

      Automobile Association ???

  • joshua.t.thomson - 2012-12-12 16:10

    Lol. I dont think yhe unnamed man was white.

  • luviwe.jay - 2012-12-12 16:12

    If I were an anc leader I would be worried reading from this article. Out of five only one talking positive and I believe four might have voted ANC before. People had ran out of patience as we speak about this greed and corruption whilst they live in squalor and poverty. Wake up ANC.

  • mark.corrigan.3910 - 2012-12-12 16:15


  • nkululeko.zondi.9 - 2012-12-12 16:16

    My question about us as South Africans is, before we complain about our government what are you personally doing to better your life. I'm also not into politics even supporting a particular organisation, do we understanding the role of government which is facilitation, coordination but not spoon feeding. Government usually depends on its citizens not the other way around. This question is especially directed to our youth.

      luviwe.jay - 2012-12-12 16:23

      My 2cents worth of understanding is for a government to create an environment that will help it's citizens to prosper based on your ability as an individual and look after our taxes in a prudent manner whilst providing and maintaining infrastructure. Provide decent education, health service, safety, etc

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 16:30

      Before I answer your question, can you tell me why the government is spoon feeding all Zuma's wives and children, and building a mansion for them at the cost of the taxpayer?

      Killbot79 - 2012-12-12 17:00

      Oh I get so now I must better my own life when the ANC so vehemently promotes that if you vote for them they will better it for you. No wonder I am so poor.

  • dave.nutter.75 - 2012-12-12 16:16

    I ask with tears in my eyes why people in this country do not vote when they have the chance. Wake up SA, you only have yourselves to blame if you do not vote the ANC out of power

      Killbot79 - 2012-12-12 17:01

      Flogging a dead horse gets you nowhere according to ANC supporters. Even when the ANC steals them poor they will keep on voting.

      Tuyez - 2012-12-12 17:19

      Go and ask the pensioners that from the villaged.

  • gloria.mathebula.9 - 2012-12-12 16:20

    when u write vark they delete your comment but they have a write to write it, hypocrites. Sensational Journalism

      lungelo.nsibande.7 - 2012-12-12 16:42

      Our comment are being deleted because these journalist want to create a wrong impression about the people perception with regard to ANC and Comrade Zuma. But we are lucky because people who read these nonsense are the same people who hated us prior 1994 even this time. Carry on delete them! ASIPHELIMANDLA. Employees of the Apartheid beneficiaries.

      Killbot79 - 2012-12-12 17:03

      @lugelo, and yet you have no real constructive criticism, I thought your ANC was so resilient yet here you are crying.

  • ronald.stilianou - 2012-12-12 16:20

    If you have ever wondered why white people have it better than blacks, this is exactly the reason why. White people do not settle for second best, we don't accept someone because he is old, have many wives, is crowned as a king and do a silly dance. We respect someone only if that person respects us, and do what a public servant is supposed to do(like Hellen). We don't care if that person is black white yellow blue or pink, as long as that person cares about everybody in the country. Just vote DA and get this circus over with.

  • nkosi.tsheda - 2012-12-12 16:22

    Wat I think SA needs are pro-active pple not mouners lyk these news24 commentators. U guys are a bunch of cry babies n haters. U dnt lyk anything ANC/govt. Hw do we. Take u serious then wen u boringly predictable

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 16:32

      I guess you have not see how the opposition parties have been swelling in membership. These forums are for discussions and debates, educating rightwingers and ANC sheep like you

      Brian Dorning - 2012-12-12 16:45

      So are you suggesting that we should not care or comment about the ANC that's failing the people of the country? Regardless of your race, SA is being run into the ground! The only being striving are the corrupt, connected, politicians...maybe you are a politician?

      Killbot79 - 2012-12-12 17:06

      Boohoo, so sorry for not caring what you said, no really waaaaaaaaaaaahhh, im sorry I really couldnt find it in me to care, why? Because your ANC is racist and hates whites just like you.

  • allen.visser - 2012-12-12 16:22

    It really doesn't matter. The corrupt ANC will just change faces and keep plundering our country and its people. More Nkandlagates...

      luviwe.jay - 2012-12-12 16:31

      That is my worry too because we have a passive citizenry in this country. Once it is someone else all is forgotten. Looking at the character of the headboy I would not mind a third term so that we can be set free earlier from the ANC chains. Maybe the opporsition should bring this constitutional amendment early next year. Desperate sitiation needs.........measures.

  • jerry.phillips.393 - 2012-12-12 16:22

    The real test for the anc is 2014 elections. If the current mood of the people is anything to go by, i see the support of the anc going down drastically. That will be good for the country going forward.

      luviwe.jay - 2012-12-12 16:24

      My hope too.

      terence.pattison - 2012-12-12 16:32

      Exactly, I hope Zuma IS re-elected! By the time 2014 comes around he and his corrupt ANC will have disappeared up their own corrupt rear ends. Not a day goes by without a new revelation on Zuma and his friends, eventually even those uneducated enough to vote ANC will say enough is enough.

  • lungelo.nsibande.7 - 2012-12-12 16:31

    What I like about this site is, it is a Mouth piece for the Minority! People who comment and read are the same people. Most of this individuals are white DA members who were bitter in 1994 and decided to migrate to Australia where they were subjected to be ridiculed by their own white counterparts and came back running with no money. Now they are left in the cold. Others are Cope members who are bitter and still angry! Come home girls and boys.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 16:35

      You must also be part of the minority then, or a white DA member who decided to migrate to Australia and came back, or a COPE member because you also becoming a regular contributor here

      Brian Dorning - 2012-12-12 16:39


      lungelo.nsibande.7 - 2012-12-12 16:51

      Themba my brother I could sense that u are one of those bitter, angry boys! I'm here for one reason to give hope to people like u and to ensure that we remain aggressive in charge white people perception about Black man like yourself.

      nkosi.tsheda - 2012-12-12 16:54

      Lungelo u spot on bro

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 17:06

      Nsibande, you are wrong. I went to university and studied for a long time, so that I can be independent. I don't depend on handouts like most ANC sheep. But I love my country, and while at one stage I was a regional level of the ANC, I stopped voting for them after Madiba because I could already see that things were going south. I am not angry at all. I just love my country and her people. I think they deserve better, and am so very glad that the ANC is facing the heat as they have been taking my people for granted for far too long. It's a pity you and many others depend on handouts from the ANC, which is why you are so blinded by the reality facing our country: decay all around. But one day your eyes will be opened mfowethu. I know because some of my friends have had their eyes opened after a few years of gentle persuasion and debate from my side. Keep coming here for some dose of reality and real political education neh :)

      Killbot79 - 2012-12-12 17:07

      Racist much?

  • prince.mthalane.3 - 2012-12-12 16:31

    I wonder who did this survey and for what purpose? Is it even newsworthy

      Killbot79 - 2012-12-12 17:07

      You read it LOL

  • warren.carne.9 - 2012-12-12 16:32

    Ignorance is bliss,until its too late.

  • asdhasgd - 2012-12-12 16:34

    Wait, what exactly is Manguang?

  • luviwe.jay - 2012-12-12 16:42

    Gauteng is there for the taking, this is what I call short survey and you are given short honest answers come on opposition parties. Gauteng is very fertile and disgruntled with e-tall and Zuma ANC. ANC is vulnerable now more than ever before.

  • sifiso.sosibo.10 - 2012-12-12 16:47

    You're not an island when you're ANC president! You're expected to grease palms and return favours to those who voted for you. Even Motlhante faces the dilemma of esponging Malema's corruption charges if he's elected or face same venom endured by both Mbeki and Zuma cause like Juju once claim they're NO permanent friends in politics!

  • gawie.gatvol - 2012-12-12 16:49

    The best story ever on news24 love it love love it even more when I read the comments

  • david.wolpert.39 - 2012-12-12 16:50

    There are some good people in the ANC,but they are not JZ and his chosen "elite",and they are too scared to speak out(and therefor are weak),so the disaster will continue while we watch.

      Moi - 2012-12-13 11:33

      There's not nearly enough good people in the anc to make the necessary changes. If only they would do the right thing and defect

  • luviwe.jay - 2012-12-12 16:59

    If I were the opposition I would withdraw the motion of no confidence on JZ because once they change face we are back to square one.luckily marikana will haunt cyril too. Instead propose a third term for the current incumbat so that south africa can be set free quicker. Delete it it again moderator.

      Killbot79 - 2012-12-12 17:09

      Why should the opposition withdraw it? Do you condone the behaviour of your corrupt president? Are you getting kickbacks of some kind?

      luviwe.jay - 2012-12-12 17:26

      Relax killi, why so worked up. To answer your question, uemployed ang hungry with no hope in sight. Logic being the President discrediting the ANC so that in 2014 they lose more vote. Pity that any name sounding african is associated with corruption by your kind. Don't insult other races in this forum you myt need them tommorow.

      musawakhe.ngubane - 2012-12-12 17:33

      This motion of no confidence... what a joke? Even the court saw it as a joke. What was the reason for forcing it to take place before the Parliament recess? Even these micky-mouse politicians from opposition parties wanted to misuse Mangaung to try and score cheap political points. Even in February we will brush this nonsense aside and continue with serious parliamentary work. Who is going to vote for this stupid motion? Where will they get the numbers since they are a lousy minority. I am happy for the parties like APC, who did not want to associate themselves with this rubbish. This is an evil wish driven by an angry, un-elected Lekota and the fat tea-girl. They will not succeed, we will be too tough on them in parliament. Bring it on!

  • nkosi.tsheda - 2012-12-12 17:03

    Where dd all those who benefited pre- 1994 economically/otherwise go to. Wat are their views now and wat do they think of our democratically elected govt and institutions nw. Sm1 s got help me

  • Xavier Zavy Williams - 2012-12-12 17:05

    I smell a civil the near future!!!

      dewaldt.duplessis.5 - 2012-12-12 18:57

      I agree Xavier it is unavoidable. And everyone thinks it is going to be Whites vs Blacks but they have it all wrong. Things are going to get really interesting after Mangaung.

  • musawakhe.ngubane - 2012-12-12 17:06

    The Mangaung Conference is not for unknown men, but is for ANC members. Resolutions taken in Mangaung are going to affect all of us since we are the governing party. What do these counter-revolutionary journalists want to achieve by this article? And these disgruntled, re-actionaries (readers) are dreaming here. We are going to Mangaung, we are going to take resolutions, taking the country forward. We are not for a second thinking about giving power back to a minority government. Dream about 2014, the ANC will still be the governing party. Deal with the reality! Mangaung will surely affect you, re-actionaries as well!

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 17:28

      You wish. You went to Polokwane all gung-ho, took resolutions which have not been implemented. What is going to be different this time? The "Lula moment"? We'll see

      Erna - 2012-12-12 20:04

      @ngubane - you show the typical arrogance of the anc comrades. But remember, when (not if) you fall, its going to hurt.

  • Bongeka - 2012-12-12 17:16

    I have been following this Zuma and Mangaung saga but all I see is the majority of people on the ground are not happy with everything. But the problem is they don't have an option. The people who are going to Mangaung are the people who prefare this or that candidate because there's something to gain out of him. So we're fighting a losing battle because what they're telling us is like they say they'll spin the coin and heads they wim but tails we lose. Do you see that? It's not a winnable game. But the power is on us when we make that mark on the ballot paper. But without a better and trustworthy party after ANC we are still heading for the same lies and corruption.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 17:26

      Well-stated Bongeka. The ANC that I knew has been hijacked by tenderpreneurs who cannot think beyond their stomachs. That is why, out of love for the ANC, but above all, love for my country, I will keep voting against the ANC until there's some sense in the leadership. Then I will review my decision to renew my membership

      luviwe.jay - 2012-12-12 18:58

      Molo Bongeka it had been a while. For sure themba you are right, that is why I wish education can be prioritised and have more independent thinkers like you and peole who put SA ahead of their personal sentiments. I plaud you on that.

  • Cabdulaahi Ilbir Ina Hoomboy - 2012-12-12 17:24

    ANC.z 3 words bt holds too much meaning n we all no that plz don abuse becoz of zuma or other inviualz

  • Mbuso Siera - 2012-12-12 17:57

    The Media headlines,DA nd its other opposition parties,Mazibuko with her motion of no confidence...the religious leaders,Zille forcing her way to Nkandla,the Banks on mining,land & agriculture....Anti-Zuma ANC comrades,Polical analysts....the public....they all tried to influence the outcomes of Mangaung.......this elective conference will not be like any other conference ever held by the ANC....but a weekend the both the international nd domestic communities r waiting in 1 of the worlds largest historical African political party will be deciding on polices that will see this country shifting ahead into a new dimension....minority will/ may not agree with the outcomes of the conference but it will be for the better of all South africans....

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 18:07

      Keep lying to yourself and believing the lies told to you by Gwede Mantashe. The very same lies you were told about Polokwane.

      themba.thwala.775 - 2012-12-12 18:17

      In short, what you are saying is that everyone who has brains is GATVOL of Zuma and the bunch of crooks surrounding him

      luviwe.jay - 2012-12-12 18:48

      True Mbuso it will be the best if JZ wins. I wish most of us we can understand that for SA to have better governance in future we need JZ at the top, with him he is destroying ANC single handedly.

      Moi - 2012-12-13 11:36

      You just keep on telling yourself that. By the time you catch a wake up call, it will be too late.

  • michael.kleber.376 - 2012-12-12 18:01

    ABZ = anybody but zuma

  • dave.kofang - 2012-12-12 19:25

    Zuma must go!

  • bill.mckimm.9 - 2012-12-12 19:38

    As the spokesman for the Hawks would say; pucker up and pass the Vaseline for Zuma's coming back into power.

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