Jub Jub waiting for legal aid for bail bid

2012-10-16 14:22

Johannesburg - The Protea Magistrate's Court granted an adjournment until 15:00 on Tuesday to allow Molemo Jub Jub Maarohanye to get legal aid for a bail application.

This comes after Maarohanye’s previous defence lawyer quit after the musician and Themba Tshabalala were found guilty of murder and attempted murder.

The State earlier brought an application before the court for Maarohanye and Tshabalala to be remanded in custody.

"After conviction the witness is expected to address your worship thoroughly on sentencing," State prosecutor Raymond Mathenjwa told the Protea Magistrate's Court.

"We can't do it today [Tuesday]... We ask that we adjourn to November 30 for sentencing. The accused were convicted of a schedule six offence and we request that they be remanded in custody."

Guilty of racing on a public road

Maarohanye and Tshabalala were both found guilty on four counts of murder and two of attempted murder.

"The State managed to prove beyond reasonable doubt... that the accused are guilty on four counts of murder... [and] two counts of attempted murder," said Magistrate Brian Nemavhidi.

He also convicted them of racing on a public road and driving while under the influence of drugs.

"The death of the deceased occurred as a result of the driving of those vehicles and as such the accused are convicted of driving their vehicles while under the influence of drugs," he said.

The court had to be called to order as the magistrate delivered his judgment.

Woman faints in court

Besides looking around to his family once, Maarohanye showed little emotion, as did Tshabalala.
The families of the victims could not control their emotions.

One woman was carried out after fainting and a court official passed water around.

The court had to silence the families and friends of the schoolchildren when their loud groans signalled their objection to the State's request that sentence only be passed on November 30.

Mathenjwa said he needed time to prepare his appeal for mitigating circumstances as he had no previous indication of what judgment should be passed.

Responding to the State's request for remanding Tshababala and Maarohanye in custody, he said: "Bail ended at the time the court announced its finding." Sentencing would take place on November 30.

  • beverly.young3 - 2012-10-16 14:27

    Bloody hell!!! appeal on what grounds? He KILLED those children.....noooo. Sure he cannot get legal aid? Anotehr year before he starts his sentence? How can the families of thse poor children obtain closure? The law is an ass.

      charlesdumbwin.dumbwin - 2012-10-16 14:39

      I wonder if Malema will take him more Nandos in jail tonight? If Nando's are clever, they'll capatalise on this!!! Can't wait for the Ad.

      Kawasaki1985 - 2012-10-16 14:50

      No Bail - It's safer with them off our streets.

      camp.j - 2012-10-16 14:52

      I'm reading conflicting reports, TimesLive reports that the bail ended when they were found guilty and are therefore "remanded in custody". My understanding is that means these guys will be eating porridge in the morning.

      bloulig.brigadeer.3 - 2012-10-16 14:53

      4 counts of murder and 2 of attempted murder... I really doubt he will be granted bail. And at this time of day the judges want to go home. He is sleeping with pappa tonight.

      aarchaic - 2012-10-16 15:10

      His lawyer didnt just quit, its a new stalling tactic! now a new lawyer is brought in and he will ask for an extention so he can get updated with the case...

      shirley.steenkamp - 2012-10-16 15:17

      No bail,he will go out,drown his sorrow and kill someone else! Now he must get Legal aid form tax payers money? Please let there for once be a sane judge who takes no cr@p!

      desertratbkf - 2012-10-16 15:20

      They're murderers!!!! WTF is this bail all about????? SHOVE THEM behind bars!!!!! It riles me, that if it were just old Joe Blog in the street, they would be shoved behind bars immediately. Screw this non existent legal system in this country! Like everything else! A FAILURE!

      Jo.Davies123 - 2012-10-16 15:34

      He needs it because he has not released any new songs and has put the money which he did not spend on clothes, hair and lawyers, up his nose.

      deon.louw.7505 - 2012-10-16 15:52

      They will appeal till the cows come home. This is a stalling tactic to try and keep them out of jail for as long as possible. I would not be surprised if they consider a CC court appeal.

  • tshifhiwa.vandermunalisi - 2012-10-16 14:27

    At least 75 years each will do.

      desertratbkf - 2012-10-16 17:34

      The ROPE would be more appropriate!

  • lerato.selane - 2012-10-16 14:33

    Bail for what. You going to jail!!!

  • Hemlock - 2012-10-16 14:33

    NO BAIL !!!! He has been proven guilty and should not get bail. He must go straight to JAIL!

      kenpeg.dawson - 2012-10-16 14:43

      Go straight to jail, do not pass go, do not collect your R200

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-10-16 14:36

    When they are found guilty they should go to prison and appeal from there. In this county its one appeal after another all while the guilty walk on gods free earth. It could take years before these murderers see the inside of a prison. What about the families who want to see justice served. In this country criminals rule.

  • sanchez.sancho.7 - 2012-10-16 14:36

    you know you are screwed when your legal team quits

  • sanchez.sancho.7 - 2012-10-16 14:37

    30 November is too far ffs !!! lock the dude up

  • celeste.delange1 - 2012-10-16 14:40

    Well about bloody time!! Straight to jail my man!! You are a murderer!!

  • brad.herbert.522 - 2012-10-16 14:40

    Lock him up! along with his convicted mother. clearly the apple does not fall far from the tree.

  • Andrea - 2012-10-16 14:43

    Words fail me right now, really.

  • tumisang.kolobe - 2012-10-16 14:43

    He need to appeal this is not murder, and can never be classified as first degree murder, this man has caused an accident with no intention to kill the school children, he lost control of the vehicle and therefore this cannot in anyway be regarded as murder…..culpable homicide is the judgment, Appeal Jub Jub….Sorry for the lives lost but an accident is an accident not murder simply because people died.

      sanchez.sancho.7 - 2012-10-16 14:48

      an accident is when you are driving and your brakes fail. accident is when you are driving and some random kid runs into the road in front of you. takiing drugs is not an accident drag racing is not an accident runnning over kids who are not in the road is not an accident its called carelessness and stupidity therefore, murder

      bheki.moyo.39 - 2012-10-16 14:50

      Nonsense. Are you out of your mind? Do you really understand yourself,you selfish idiot? We are not talking about the death of chickens here braa,innocent people lost their lives. Bring those kids back then. Why don't you shut up your smelly big mouth?

      michael.digby.9 - 2012-10-16 14:51

      @Tumisang You are a fool. Driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol. What the hell were they thinking. Send them to Jail, lock away the key. Maybe you should join them for being so naive as well!!!

      kyle.venter.5 - 2012-10-16 14:56

      You really dont know what you are talking about, come back when you know what you are talking about. We do not have 'degrees' of murder in South Africa, we simply have murder. This is never CH, Dolus Eventualis covers this situation, so go look up what Dolus Eventualis is and you will clearly note (or at least you should) that the conviction of murder is indeed correct. You are misinformed and quite well off the mark. This was much more than just an accident, every action has consequences and they have to deal with the consequences of their actions.

      Ntarts - 2012-10-16 15:12

      Tumisang, he drove drunk. That is intent to kill because he was aware of his drunken condition and had to know what the concequences could be if he got involved in an accident. Educate yourself on the law. I don't get why anyone would want to defend this, are you a Jub Jub groupie? WOuld you be as sympathetic if he was a nobody and this incident affected you directly?

      tumisang.kolobe - 2012-10-16 15:15

      @Sanchez, did he intentionally run over the kids?if yes then that’s murder@Bheki go to school.@ Michael, fools always resort to insults because they have no logical understanding @Kyle, we don’t need to know Greek, Arabian or roman Dutch law to understand that this man did not intentional ly run over the kids

      debra.davids.3 - 2012-10-16 15:21

      so what you saying,is Jacob Humphreys must also apply for bail, cause he also made an accident, even though 10 kids lost their lifes. I assume you must be related to one of these Tronk Voels.

      kyle.venter.5 - 2012-10-16 15:27

      @tumisang,your level of ignorance astounds me, it is actually amazing! You really do not understand what everyone has been trying to explain to you, their actions fall squarely within the ambit of indirect intention (or Dolus Eventualis, which is Latin by the way and has nothing to do with Arabic or Greek, but if you took the time to look it up (im sure you could find it on google) then you would see that you are wrong). When a person realises that they are wrong, they generally stop making superfluos comments on a topic that they clearly do not understand, so sit down before you hurt yourself as this is clearly far too much for you to comprehend. The law clearly (Our Common Law) provides for a form of intention in the above circumstances, and if you will, "if the glove fits"... im sure you get the drift.

      Jo.Davies123 - 2012-10-16 15:32

      No one is stating that it was first degree murder as there is no such charge in South Africa. You have been watching way too much TV...

      tumisang.kolobe - 2012-10-16 15:37

      @Shelly, amazing that those with lack of knowledge can easily be identified by their spelling mistakes, what is “Yuo are in you own a deadly weapon”….@We are talking about Jub Jub here Debra,@I know is Latin, but such knowledge is irrelevant here, because we don’t need to know Latin to know that this man did not intent on running over the kids, so your Latin nonsense is irrelevant

      brad.herbert.522 - 2012-10-16 15:38

      @kyle.venter.5 Don't waste your time on dumisang. nature has its way of getting rid of the stupid. BTW, nice word "Dolus Eventualis". I myself had to look it up to understand its meaning. very fitting. After reading dumisangs comments I doubt he would have the capacity to fully understand it. That’s way to much higher level understanding for such a delinquent. - 2012-10-16 15:40

      First up there is no such thing as 1st degree murder in SA. That's American. If his actions could reasonably be foreseen as resulting in death then it can be classified as murder. If your tyre bursts and you crash into a crowd then the tyre bursting cannot be reasonably anticipated and it cannot be murder. Racing eachother under the influence? Yes its reasonable to assume that it could result in death

      kyle.venter.5 - 2012-10-16 15:45

      @Brad, agreed, this is way too much for his simple mind. It just riles me up when people continue to argue a point that is completely wrong amd way off the mark. It is the correct legal terminology fro this situation.

      kyle.venter.5 - 2012-10-16 16:09

      @tumisang, I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but that "irrelevant Latin nonsense" is the basis for their conviction, and is what the prosecution would have applied to the facts in order to prove intent beyond a reasonable doubt. It is highly unlikely that his worship got it wrong, his decision falls well within what the law allows for. Not so irrelevant after all if you ask me. If you knew anything about the law, you would know this. You really should stop, this is just far too easy.

      Ntarts - 2012-10-16 16:25

      I do hope this guy can grasp this before he finds himself on the wrong side of the law and wants to plead "accident"'d love to see that defense pass. Not guilty on the basis of "I was drunk and it was an accident"...if nothing else, he would be locked up for ignorance!

      adrian.strydom - 2012-10-16 17:01

      Obviously your limited intelligence hasn't grasped that the law is VERY clear. Take any illegal substance deliberately which impairs your ability to control your motor vehicle, and you will be charged with MURDER should you be found guilty of causing a wrongful death. Maybe a bit of reading would not go amiss ?

      sechaba.selokoma - 2012-10-16 17:05

      If you are intoxicated and hit a pedestrian who dies... that is considered Murder as you not driving within the bounds of the law.

      nirosha.soobramoney.5 - 2012-10-17 14:29

      You won't feel this way if it was one of your kids who were run down like that. Its easy to talk when its other people's kids and it doesn't involve you.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-10-16 14:44

    This delay in sentencing stinks like a red haring in the grass!

  • musa.mohapi.3 - 2012-10-16 14:44

    Go to hell juju and sphiwe

      emmakajee - 2012-10-16 23:49

      Go to jail first! May they both live long lives in the trunk!!

  • khathu.rasi - 2012-10-16 14:45

    Doesnt he has one? Well november is too far, just say u want to milk him out !! He must remained inside cell judge

  • ludlowdj - 2012-10-16 14:47

    They are guilty they must start serving time immediately, what the hell is wrong with our court system??

      Jo.Davies123 - 2012-10-16 15:38

      There are very few countries which sentence on the same day as the judgement is delivered, especially with the major crimes. Unfortunatley, that is the way it works. I do agree with your sentiment though

  • jan.matsetela - 2012-10-16 14:49

    Poor boy 4sure he is singing 'dikhohele mmeli wami'

  • dorothy.gouws.1 - 2012-10-16 14:50

    Can you believe this..BAIL!!!! Why!!!he must be sentenced now. he and his buddy killed 4 innocent children.. good heavens !!The law really stinks.

  • madile.moloi - 2012-10-16 14:50

    Jub Jub go to Jail, move directly to Jail no bail this time. Eintlik the Protea Community should have assasinated this killers on the spot and save us all this they'll be appealing against the sentence, another year or two may pass.

  • Nyakstar - 2012-10-16 14:51

    What's going on? Why wait so long for sentencing? Why don't they just get this whole thing over and done with. I mean they killed 4 kids agggh

  • jackie.m.dickson - 2012-10-16 14:52

    NO BAIL!! If they get bail I hope they get lynched. Now we start the BS of legal aid? They are guilty of MURDER! They should have no rights to anything. Straight to jail!!!!

  • sipho.gwabe - 2012-10-16 14:52

    "Bail ended at the time the court announced its finding."

  • Debra - 2012-10-16 14:54

    You know our country is so f..... that all famous criminals gets treated with dignity. Why, the judge has found them guilty. If it was an odinary south africans with no money or fame they would have been thrown into their cells long time ago. Our justice system is pathetic. Look at malema, he is walking free at the moment, the ex wife of security minister found guilty the other day was given the opportunity to hand herself over while her co-accussed sat in jail through out the trial(again, because of fame and fortune she was treated like a princess). This is rubbish. Our country is so DOOMED

  • thato.kgole.104 - 2012-10-16 14:55

    This is sad for all the parties involved, but the law must prevail.

  • Annelize Grobler - 2012-10-16 14:55

    WTF ???? guilty for 6 counts but we'll sentence you in 1 and a half month ??? please apply for bail ???? WTF's going on with our legal system ????

  • connie.mlonyeni - 2012-10-16 14:58

    i'm getting confused with SA law now??? how do you get bail when convicted and found guilty? wouldn't everybody else convicted and found guilty avoid jail by asking their defence to apply for bail??? can someone please explain to me... or is it bail pending sentencing?? i'm confused...

  • Neshvile83 - 2012-10-16 15:00

    Lol he wl b singing n clapping hands in jail,lol i hope he brought a soap n vaselline wit hm,hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha

  • asanda.p.james - 2012-10-16 15:01

    Found guilty but why didn't go in jail today? Anyone good people reply me.

  • Andrea - 2012-10-16 15:03

    I'm just looking at that photo of him again and he's not looking too fresh. What Jub-Jub, too much booz & coke got the better of you? Why no make-up today? Don't want to look too pretty for Bubba? No money, no support? Ag shame man, what can I say, no sympathy for you here.

  • Carlo Johann Oerson - 2012-10-16 15:03

    @tumisang.kolobe....Yes who R We 2 Judge. Only God Will,Can & Shall Judge Us. And I'm Afraid That The Bible Talks About Eye 4 an Eye & Teeth 4 a Teeth...My Qustion,What Now?....May Their Drugged-Alcohol Asses WroTTen in Jail & Hell!!! MxM

      tumisang.kolobe - 2012-10-16 15:11

      dude whats is "Alcohol Asses WroTTen in Jail & Hell"????stop bunking your english classes and when you finish your matric come back and try having a conversation with me.

  • Perfume5 - 2012-10-16 15:03

    Jub Jub remanded in custody, sentencing November 30.....reported on Times Live...which is which News24 reporters.

      madile.moloi - 2012-10-16 15:10

      yeah sure ?

      Jo.Davies123 - 2012-10-16 15:41

      That is what they have said here... Bail ended on judgement, which has been passed. He now has the oppertunity to apply for bail, after he has applied for legal aid.

  • mphogift.mukwevho - 2012-10-16 15:04


  • sanele.ntshangase.35 - 2012-10-16 15:15

    There we go again, state recovering cost and making profit on Jub Jub and after he will still go in jail. So predictable

  • tebogo.makaneta - 2012-10-16 15:16

    Why wait till November? The ppl were proven guilty why don't they get a sentence now? I'm starting to question whether the judge knows his job...did he even qualify for his job?

      kombisa.mbakaza - 2012-10-16 15:28

      It is simply because he knows his job that he gives this adjournment. The danger of him not allowing that might result in an irregularity that could lead to severe adverse consequences. On the other hand the state need to lead evidence from the affected family members in aggravating sentence. They are candidates for life imprisonment term. It therefore calls upon both the State and the judiciary to be legally, not emotionally, correct to close any grounds of appeal.

  • allan.radue - 2012-10-16 15:18

    You are all wrong, they are just giving him enough time to come up with a terminal chronic illness (like Shabir with his 'high blood pressure') which will qualify him for medical parole shortly after he is sentenced!!

  • Eterni80 - 2012-10-16 15:18


      john.gasekoma.3 - 2012-10-16 15:25

      yes he mst go to jail

  • peter.siko.5 - 2012-10-16 15:24

    Given the number of life lost in our roads in SA. It's good to see murder charges being brougt successfully unlike the famous culpable homicides in our courts. It's a lesson to all of us to drive carefully and responsibly on our roads.

  • brendonJHB - 2012-10-16 15:25

    Seems like the scum of the earth learnt his tricks from his mother - remember Mama Jackie - yip that's it

  • collen.mongake.7 - 2012-10-16 15:26

    I thnk if the said convicts can get a bail they gonna be suicidal!so let dem stay in!

  • isaacdiseko.pooe - 2012-10-16 15:27

    I hope all those who were eagerly waiting for him to be trailed , now realise that we must just be patient and let the law take its don't just throw people in jail without a fair trail thats just how the law works wether you like it or not

      vuyelwa.kamlana - 2012-10-16 15:50

      Fair trial my voet! What about those innocent pupils who died? And the other one who won't live the life he wanted to live?

      Jo.Davies123 - 2012-10-16 16:12

      @Vuyelwa - this was a fair trial. The trial had the desired outcome - he was found guilty. The judge has (and continues to do) everything properly so they cannot come back and get off on a technical error. There were 4 kiddies that lost their lives, 2 that will never become everything which they could have, but they are going to pay now. I don't understand your statement "Fair trial my voet"

  • bonge.mpofu - 2012-10-16 15:30

    that's why there is mob justice when you run over amd kill people. people must kill the offenders before the police arrive

  • thando.mashinini.739 - 2012-10-16 15:32

    Like I said so, the judicial system is just corrupt on its own. If it has been proven beyond reasonable doubt that the two are guilty, why is it so hindering to sentence now? I'm not impressed, justice has not been served!

  • thandwa.mazibuko1 - 2012-10-16 15:34

    Let the law land heavily on these culprits

  • lekkeperd.chevyss - 2012-10-16 15:34

    Mr JUB JUB K-R Go to jail idiot!!!!!

  • werner.dippenaar.77 - 2012-10-16 15:39

    Barry White, Kay Way Gel and some sweet love making

  • andy.andrews.359126 - 2012-10-16 15:42


  • denton.estment - 2012-10-16 15:43

    Legal Aid?? Bail Application??.. here starts the next run around and abuse of tax-payers money to stay out of goal...

      tsepo.lukhele - 2012-10-16 15:58

      Yaz ukuba yi South african citizen kumnandi especial if u are a celebraty u dnt go 2 jail they just take our money bevalele yona,wena ubhizi uysebenza kanzima lemali on behalf of tax payers

      tsepo.lukhele - 2012-10-16 15:58

      Yaz ukuba yi South african citizen kumnandi especial if u are a celebraty u dnt go 2 jail they just take our money bevalele yona,wena ubhizi uysebenza kanzima lemali on behalf of tax payers

      Jo.Davies123 - 2012-10-16 16:14

      I think the fancy spelling you are looking for is gaol. Stick to the basics Denton - you know most people wont know what gaol is...

  • nhlanhlafb - 2012-10-16 15:51

    Eish mann i fill sorry 4 jub jub now ppl do make mistakes n it so funny cos dis r d very same kid abashaya amakhwela makugijima imoto or ishaya amathayi in d streat bethi ''ISHAYE'' nw dat sekukanje akusabhekwa loko ja jub jub kunjaloke ukungawulaleli umthetho

  • simon.mwando - 2012-10-16 15:52

    Gone till November *singing*

  • lesegojaden.katong - 2012-10-16 15:52

    Found guilty and there is a bail application..... am i sleeping or thats how this criminal justice sytem works?

      Jo.Davies123 - 2012-10-16 16:07

      He wants to apply for bail until such time as he is sentenced in November. He is entitled to apply for this, but due to the severity of his judgement, doubtful that he will get it.

  • vuyelwa.kamlana - 2012-10-16 15:54

    It's taking too long, they should be in jail by now, with a heavy sentencing, they are murderers.