Judge questions Tlokwe application

2013-07-23 13:02

Pretoria - The notion of settling by "democratic means" the dispute over who the mayor of Tlokwe should be was raised by a judge in the North Gauteng High Court in Pretoria on Tuesday.

Judge Neil Tuchten said since the ANC said it was the majority party in the Tlokwe municipality, the question was whether the effects of a council meeting unseating mayor Maphetle Maphetle could not be put right by "democratic means".

"If this is possible wouldn't it be right for me to decline my right to grant an interdict?" he asked.

He said the applicants had to consider whether public funds should be used to pay the lawyers in the matter.

"The long-suffering people of Tlokwe don't have to pay for this matter."

Tuchten said an application to have Maphetle's unseating declared invalid would be heard later in the day.

The African National Congress wanted a council meeting that saw Democratic Alliance councillor Annette Combrink voted in as mayor nullified. The ANC did not recognise Combrink as mayor and said Maphetle still held the post.

On 2 July, Combrink was voted in as the new mayor for the second time since November, unseating Maphetle.

The next day, the ANC's North West provincial disciplinary committee expelled 14 of its councillors who voted to unseat Maphetle. They were also removed as Tlokwe councillors.

On 10 July, the ANC served court papers on 48 Tlokwe municipal councillors - 26 of them ANC councillors, 19 DA, two Freedom Front Plus councillors, and one from the Congress of the People.

  • Makaveli Amaru Shakur - 2013-07-23 13:12

    DA disgusts me,but I thought the DA mayor won fair & square.What f*#k is wrong with the ANC?

      Kenny Kwenamore - 2013-07-23 13:15

      Whats disgusting about DELIVERY AGENTS?(DA)

      TheFith Element - 2013-07-23 13:17

      Really, you ask such a ridiculous question about the ANC? Where do u live buddy in Potch? Sick and tired of no service? I do agree she won fair and square, and do agree the ANC yet again has lost the plot. Now money needs to go towards ANC idiots going to court over this, if they just did their job in the first place......bunch of hooligans

      nu_un_clear - 2013-07-23 13:19

      Please tell me exactly what is so disgusting about the DA for you, maybe I will understand it better if you can break it down for me. Who knows, maybe I will agree with you, but you will have to tell me why you are disgusted by the DA.

      Deon Kruger - 2013-07-23 13:30

      Im No ANC supporter, But the bottom line is the people (right or wrong) of Tlokwe did vote the ANC in to power there, what if this had happend in Cape Town and suddenly Patricia was unseated

      manqoba.zulu.54 - 2013-07-23 13:38

      Very good point Dion

      Lawrence Robert Atkinson - 2013-07-23 13:40

      Deon Kruger - I'm no politician. But the voters vote for the party. The party nominates (off the list system) the councillors and they vote the mayor in. Or out, in this case. Welcome to democracy at work.

      Deon Kruger - 2013-07-23 13:43

      Lawrence i understand your point but is this not the same why Floor crossing was made unconstitutional

      Leigh Le Gonidec - 2013-07-23 13:57

      Deon, surely by the ANC councillors abstaining, they have participated in the correct political process. It is they way the politics of the day works. Not only that, these ANC councillors were in fact looking after the interests of there constituents (as is there mandate) by getting rid of a corrupt mayor. Party politics should come second to the well being of the electorate, should it not???

      Fanie Viljoen - 2013-07-23 14:03

      Bad service delivery should disgust you, bad losers should disgust you, I can think of so much more, but coming out and being disgusted by the DA in this article, seriously?

      Deon Kruger - 2013-07-23 14:13

      Well last comment on this let me tell you whats gonna happen no need for court action and a waste of tax payers money, The 26 new ANC counselors are going to institute a vote of no confidence in the new mayor another vote is going to take place and a new mayor of ANC's choosing is going to be elected

      Getafix - 2013-07-23 14:14

      I thinks u forgot how disgusting Poo throwers are. Luckily the DA provides a place for people to put it in.

      Armstrong Dreadnaught - 2013-07-23 14:17

      Just what "disgusts" you about the DA? Boycott the eff! Vote DA!

      Armstrong Dreadnaught - 2013-07-23 14:21

      @Dion - The anc councillors voted the mayor out. They do something called "voting" in the council and they voted the mayor out, fair and square. It is called democracy. Have you heard of it before? Look it up.

      Armstrong Dreadnaught - 2013-07-23 14:25

      @Dion - The anc will nominate some (6 I think) councillors for Proportional Representative seats. The other seats will need a bye-election to settle. That just might be won by the DA! Wait and see, this could get interesting.

      Babs Putar - 2013-07-23 16:01

      May be there is hope for you - seems to me you are starting to see some light!! Why should the DA disgust you? Is it because you cannot face the truth when they speak out against corruption etc. etc

      ARTFUL DODGER. - 2013-07-23 17:21

      You are the only one that is DISGUSTING shakur!!!!!!

  • Chris Du Toit - 2013-07-23 13:33

    This sort of thing is exactly what is going to happen the day the anc loses the elections. That day will truely mark the day South Africa becomes part of africa...

      Deon Kruger - 2013-07-23 13:37

      But Chris to be fair the ANC did not loose an election, this is a hostile take over by minority shareholders

      Nadia Graf - 2013-07-23 13:48

      Deon, I understand the Mayor was voted out by the Councillors, a large portion of which were ANC members, for the second time. I don't think the ANC members were minority shareholders in this case, more likely just sick and tired of incompetence.

      potevan - 2013-07-23 13:53

      @Deon: There was a democratic vote of the council...majority wanted the DA councillor as mayor...democracy. No hostile takeover. The majority councillors are still ANC, just the mayor is a DA member. What's do difficult to understand?

      Gerald Parker - 2013-07-23 13:56

      Deon How is that a hostile takeaover by a minority group, the MAJORITY GROUP of the council irrespective of which political party they are with, voted him out.

      Deon Kruger - 2013-07-23 14:01

      But now they have been fired and replaced, surely there must be another vote, as i said im no ANC supporter but i do belive this is very undemocratic

      Lehlagare La Ga Monakedi - 2013-07-23 14:05

      Deon Kruger don't be stupid thinking like zanc, they was a vote of no confidence in which all 48 councilors including 26 from zanc voted against their own because they saw all the corruption from the mayor, this is what is going to happens in the next election, zanc card carrying supporter and members are gatvol of their own party including me, so we will vote for alternative like EFF while wearing the zanc t-shirt. Then zanc will fires all of us as they did in Tlokwe.

      Poloyatonki Kgosi - 2013-07-23 14:09

      Deon Kruger "as i said im no ANC supporter" if it quacks like a duck walks like a duck... what could it be?

      Getafix - 2013-07-23 14:16

      Deon, The oke they wanted was corrupt, and the councilers had the option of corruption and non corruption. So no corrupotion discusts u? u have no legs to stand on, u can join the poo throwers then.

      Silvia Van Eck - 2013-07-23 15:21

      Deon Kruger, And why do you think those guys got fired by the ANC AFTER the vote?? Just accept the fact that the ANC are sore losers....finish en klaar!!

      Patricia Dewet - 2013-07-23 17:36

      Deon the Councillors did not vote for a mayor, the ANC dumped that dealing and wheeling and stealing mayor on the ANC Councillors. They do not want him and voted him out last year, but the ANC top management got him back. They went with the opposition now to get rid of him, but they were fired and the ANC wants him back again. So you tell me what must these Councillors do to get rid of this parasite.

      Mandla Sipho - 2013-07-23 18:51

      Lehlahare... Totally agree with u there

      Sphe Ndlovu - 2013-07-23 21:16

      @Deon, I agree with you...the councillors voted the mayor out but the people who voted ANC into power do not agree with the councillors. I live in Potch and the word going around is not in favour of the DA, so i think its in the interest of the Tlokwe for this case to be decided in the courts, because people will rebel if leadership is forced on them. Whats the whole point of voting then if 26 individuals will throw your vote away? People will rebel, mark my words

      Silvia Van Eck - 2013-07-24 00:31

      Sphe, Tell us then whether the same people that now complain about a DA major also complain when there is no service delivery...

  • Reza Ryklief - 2013-07-23 13:38

    Once I saw a really spoilt little sh#t throw a massive tantrum in the supermarket, because he couldn't get more toys... I wonder why I'm thinking about that. Hmm...

      Jeremy Forbes - 2013-07-23 15:13

      The tantrum is a sign that the ANC is breaking up, its behaviour in Tlokwe is because they are desperate to hold things together. Remember the role model for ANC operatives are the Soviet and Chinese centralist control parties. This model does not allow local communities to make independent decisions.

  • Jacqui Daane Van Rensburg - 2013-07-23 13:39

    Poor tax payers can pay the costs again.

      Armstrong Dreadnaught - 2013-07-23 14:29

      No, the parties are going to pay. And the anc will be loosing, with costs! Ha! Ha!

  • Darryl Maze - 2013-07-23 13:47

    Here's just another perfect example at how the ANC can waste tax payers money. The mayor was voted out fair and square. Now because the ANC dont like it and no more money can be stolen they go to court to reinstate a corrupt mayor. Dumb pathetic idiots.

      Mandla Sipho - 2013-07-23 18:55

      True that... For ANC, it's the party first country sizoyibona. Those councilors decided service delivery is more important that the party, and they were fired. I think it's abt time we voted individuals instead of a party

  • Lehlagare La Ga Monakedi - 2013-07-23 13:51

    Deon Kruger don't be stupid thinking like zanc, they was a vote of no confidence in which all 48 councilors including 26 from zanc voted against their own because they saw all the corruption from the mayor, this is what is going to happens in the next election, zanc card carrying supporter and members are gatvol of their own party including me, so we will vote for alternative like EFF while wearing the zanc t-shirt. Then zanc will fires all of us as they did in Tlokwe.

      Armstrong Dreadnaught - 2013-07-23 14:32

      @ Lehlagare - I agree with you except that the EFF is not a good bet.

  • Shuma Nkuna - 2013-07-23 13:55

    Good question judge, should they realy waste the tax payer's money? Service delivery and job creation is an urgent matter but u don't c them taking urgent steps to resolve the problem, instead they take urggent steps to defend some1 who has wrongfuly wasted our money

  • Koos Van Zyl - 2013-07-23 14:04

    "He - THE JUDGE - said the applicants had to consider whether public funds should be used to pay the lawyers in the matter." 100% your honour. Every case - with high fees - goes on appeal and all WANT to go to the constitutional court. The ANC and all their corrupt members must grow a culture of admitting "mistakes" - mostly deliberate - and not deny all deeds of corruption AND incompetence.

  • Compos Mentis - 2013-07-23 14:04

    Let the people decide. It is after-all their town/city. While I think it sucks, I know the DA won't win. But you can't run a town with a minority party.

      Armstrong Dreadnaught - 2013-07-23 14:33

      There will need to be a bye-election. Let The People decide!

      Soekie Botha - 2013-07-24 04:40

      Point taken, but the town could also not be run by the majority party?? That caused the no-confident vote in the first place. So, you reckon it is all good to have majority parties in the councilor seats but not necessary to take any responsibilities? Maybe one day it will be realised again that it is more important to have someone in a seat who care about the town and the people rather than to say we are the majority and we must rule. That means nothing if you cannot deliver on that

      Lwandile Mabusela - 2013-07-24 06:54

      To run a town I don't think you need a majority or minority. I think you need people with passion, people who are skilled and who understand what needs to be done.

  • Abram Russel Baloyi - 2013-07-23 14:25

    I am tired of this town's stupid drama,I knew Potch as a nice town with a university, but now it seems it also have a circus, for a council n the council should b called Cirque de Potche, instead of Tlokwe, the Batlokwa, people can't be associated with such stupidity

  • Colleen Erasmus - 2013-07-23 14:33

    Oh yippee the ANC are acting like pre schoolers again! Noddy badges all round! Silly kindergarten children grow up and act your age and not your shoe size!

  • Rabotlhoko Silver-Surf Tlhabane - 2013-07-23 16:06

    As long as Pukke can increase English modules

  • John Jackson - 2013-07-23 20:45

    Imagine what a circus it would be if double dome is unseated??

  • Desmond Webster - 2013-07-24 07:10

    Is this a sign of things to come. You can vote, but unless it's what we want, it's not valid.We will count and re-count until we get what we want. I just hope the election results are not declared "TOP SECRET"

  • Tshego Magakwe - 2013-07-24 12:14

    like madiba said if this government do to you what the apartied gvmt did to you then do to it what you did to the apartied gvmt . So thats what those councillors did end of story

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