Kasrils: Attack has stench of Islamophobia

2012-08-08 22:47

Johannesburg - The "savage" attack on two Muslim men in the North West carried "the stench of Islamophobia", former intelligence minister Ronnie Kasrils said on Wednesday.

"My heartfelt condolences and solidarity to the family of Fayaaz Kazi whose brutal killers must be hunted down and brought to justice," Kasrils said in a statement.

"My deepest wishes and speedy recovery to uncle Ansaar Mahmood who was savagely injured in this criminal attack which carries with it the stench of Islamophobia.

"May all South Africans unite to stop in its tracks the evil of racist and religious intolerance which is a threat to every South African regardless of creed, culture and colour," Kasrils said.

He offered his condolences to the family of the killed man, Mohammed Fayaaz Kazi.

Kazi was beaten to death in Magaliesburg, allegedly by two people who insulted him because of his beard, according to a family friend.

Kazi, 27, from Ventersdorp, was with his father's friend Anser Mahmood when they were attacked at a Chicken Licken outlet on Monday.

"Two white people... they called him [Osama] bin Laden in Afrikaans because of his beard...and then they called us kaffirs," Mahmood told Sapa by telephone on Wednesday.

"Fayaaz, he understood Afrikaans, and was arguing with them."

All four were thrown out of the fast food shop, and the fight continued outside.

"I asked why they were troubling him and he punched me," Mahmood, 33, said.

"I don't know what he hit me with. I was unconscious."

Mahmood was mostly hit in the face, while Kazi was beaten over the head. Mahmood said he did not know what object was used to attack Kazi as he was lying on his side.

"Nobody helps us. They wanted me dead also, but I survived."

North West police said a murder docket had been opened for Kazi's killing.

"After purchasing food from a fast food outlet an argument allegedly broke out between Kazi and two unknown Afrikaner males. It further alleged that the two suspects were mocking Kazi about his long beard," said Brigadier Thulani Ngubane.

The two men, whose identities are unknown, then fled the scene after the assault.

Ngubane said that police arrived on the scene but Mahmood refused to open a case and the two left for Ventersdorp.

"Upon arriving on Ventersdop, Kazi became weak and was transported to the Ventersdop Hospital where he was treated and transferred to Potchefstroom Hospital after his condition became worse," Ngubane said.

Kazi died in hospital at Potchefstroom. His funeral was held on Tuesday.

The murder case was registered at Potchefstroom police station. It is expected to be transferred to Magaliesberg police station.

The Media Review Network, a Muslim advocacy group on human rights, called on Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa to ensure a speedy investigation was undertaken.

Researcher Ibrahim Vawda said there was widespread anger across the Muslim community.

"We strongly urge all members of our community to exercise restraint and patience and to allow the normal process of the law to take its course."

  • charles.gregory.7906 - 2012-08-08 23:15

    Terrible! Hope they are caught

      michael.deyzel.1 - 2012-08-09 01:14

      @sunil. You agree then that all the attacks on white farmers are racially based! So stand up and make a statement or are your views as biased as the governments?

      henrileriche - 2012-08-09 06:45

      Im an Afrikaner and I hope these idiots are caught that did this to these men. Im sure I speak for the majority of whites. Let this not become a generalization thing which end up turning into racism against good Afrikaners due to the stupid deeds of individuals. They do not represent the larger group. Any normal law abiding white citizen are also angry when things like this happen.

      henrileriche - 2012-08-09 07:02

      Condolences to this family. On Second thought. It's all fine and dandy for Mr. Kasrils to sympathise but it seems like cheap points scoring as he is Jewish. As sad as it is that this man was attacked, and died, he wasn't tortured with a hot iron, or raped. Where is Mr. Kasrils and his government in sypathising with the families of whites? Or is it true that whites are not part of South Africa thus the silences? I hate hypocrisy and double standards. How can anyone support the ANC (SA) government under that SA flag, when your rights is not even acknowledged??? I did support the SA flag. Not anymore. Like people associate the old flag with whites and apartheid. I now associate the new flag with black nationalism, rape, torture and murder. Until the SA government don't fix this by representing all South African's EQUALLY, I will not support one sided brownie (false) points.

      Chumscrubber1 - 2012-08-09 07:49

      Henri, whilst it is true the government seems quite happy to tolerate the violence against white people , it is irrelevant in this case. It seems you are trying to defend what these guys did in a way. Please don't lower the standards of white people.

      amanda.victor.92 - 2012-08-09 07:59

      Once again people jumping to conclusions before any facts are known. How do you know who the aggressors were? When it comes to blaming whites the ANC and every black in the country is quick to pounce - and later they have to apologise.

      henrileriche - 2012-08-09 08:36

      @Warren, rather than reading selectively read what i wrote above the comment you are referring too. Part of the problem in South Africa is people that can't read and assume things. If you read what i wrote in context, your assumption is quite narrow minded. Only a fool would justify something like this, and you're not dealing with fool. Catch up on some reading lessons :-) @Amanda - Lees die Beeld girl. Almal weet dis Afrikaanse wit mans.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-09 10:10

      Sunil, you know nothing about the whites under apartheid. Your generalization is disgusting.

      hleriche - 2012-08-09 12:03

      Ok. Correction. Kasrils is of Jewish decent. Maybe not a practicing Jew but still using his influence as a descendant. - Btw. The Jews that i know are not communist left, and very good people.

      imani.exclusives - 2012-08-09 21:04

      @michael.duiwel, so was murder of Black farmer, who was a former ANC MP, also racially motivated? Criminals are criminals period.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:16

      The murder of farmers is no more or less deplorable than the murder of a shoe salesman or cashvan driver or a civil engineer. The attempts to elevate farmers as somehow being more special than anyone else is ridiculous.

      zaid.personal - 2012-08-13 20:34 don't know what you're talking about, and your pathetic attempt at the use of sarcasm only exposes your lack of knowledge further. Muslims in South Africa are known to avoid pursuing legal action against others because they're an insular community by nature. They don't like attention and they don't mind everyone else's business. This was an assault that, at the time, obviously didn't appear to be anything more than bruises and dented egos. So until the man died in hospital, there was no need to escalate the matter further because Muslims living in predominantly Afrikaner communities have a history of good relations and having a sense of humour in teasing each other. These two morons obviously took it too far. Like many stated here, their behaviour is not reflective of the majority of Afrikaners in South Africa, and Muslims in South Africa are also a far cry from the pathetic stereotypes that idiots like you are willing to believe based on your limited world view from main stream media propaganda. You're probably the kind of idiot that still believes that there were WMD's in Iraq, right?

      Dat Mvc - 2013-07-15 11:04

      yhea yhea yhea. White farmers can only blame black gov. Forgetting that they have inherited stolen wealth that was stolen by their elders who invented apartheid in the first place. If white S.Africans cared about the new S.Africa they would be willing to share because Blacks don't want every thing you got they want as much as you have. In other words equal start.

  • lacrimose.wolf - 2012-08-08 23:40

    Really such outrage for this particular death. What about all the other unnecessary and equally senseless killings that happen daily? Do we have a Kasrils equivalent for farm murders, child rapists (and child murderers), killers and rapists of 94yr old women, murders for cell 'phones, buddies who refuse to party, bus drivers, club owners, members of political parties, etc? All killing is reprehensible. It's disingenuous of the Hon Kasrils to attempt to raise the profile of this one murder over all others.

      amanda.victor.92 - 2012-08-09 08:01

      All those people you mention are just fine to murder. When he can use a death against white people then he's all over it like a rash. The ANC are a bunch of inept racists.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:21

      His "own kind"? Kasrils isn't a bigot who only cares about people who are just like him -- white, Jewish, socialist -- he cares about people who are NOT like him too. Black, Muslim, capitalist. You'd do well to turn your back on your bigotry and learn to care about a society wider than your own parochial in-group. Like Ronnie Kasrils.

      Dat Mvc - 2013-07-15 11:20

      If he really cared he would start by sorting his people in Palestine/Israel. The Jews are practicing apartheid by oppressing Palestinians in their own land. They are worse than Hitler and S.African whites.

  • ruan.lacock - 2012-08-08 23:57

    ronnie "casseroles"....wot about all other killings in s. africa....??

      Fikile Magadla - 2012-08-09 01:42

      whats wrong with SA citizens?

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:21

      What about them?

  • Roberto Deniro - 2012-08-09 00:08

    there will be suicide bombs soon, watch out

      michael.deyzel.1 - 2012-08-09 01:20

      You shouldn't be making threats like that on Facebook. The police will track you down and arrest you.

      fatima.shaikjee - 2012-08-09 05:36

      How can u say that....all muslims are not terrorists.... And this boy was not a bin laden wanabe..he had a beard that is sunnah... Even staunch jewish have beards...this stereotyping making me sick

      antoinette.jordaan - 2012-08-09 07:44

      And that's why there's an outrage.......stereotyping all the way round. Cos, now it's the "Afrikaners" that did this.......we're all racist now. I even saw calls for a civil war about this. As we, "Afrikaners", are "mostly" to blame for Apartheid and all that went with it, we WILL ALWAYS be judged much, much more just revives all the old fears of the past. So. Let's NOT join in on the "well, what about all our people getting killed" conversations. This poor man was killed for no other reason than blatant stupidity and ignorance. I hope they catch those bastards....hoping that the chicken licken actually had some CCTV?

      Dat Mvc - 2013-07-15 11:38

      Roberto you are an IDIOT who believes in every thing you see on these American movies.I bet you believe in BATMAN OR SPIDER MAN OR ALIENS. Let me give you knowledge that's fiction. @ Antoinette what have you done to prove that you are not racist as your elders ? The so called Afrikaners have not shown any form of remorse for their evil past.

  • dentamokhabz - 2012-08-09 00:18

    This barbaric act is taking our country nowhere. As much as this doesn't represent all Afrikaner but lot of this racial act are committed by the Afrikaner group. Remember the Free state University act, the waterkloof four and the senseless killing and treatment by the Afrikaner farmers, whereby workes are beating and murdered. Our democracy is still young it needs all race to come together to help nature it to become one of the best state in our lifetime.

      michael.deyzel.1 - 2012-08-09 01:26

      You can't equate the Reits incident to the brutal murders of farmers across SA.

      antoinette.jordaan - 2012-08-09 07:51

      I disagree slightly there - "lot of this racial act" - only difference is that every time the Afrikaner group (all of us?) does or says something stupid, it hits the headlines. I'm pretty damn sure we don't hear of most of the racial attacks in this country.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:23

      Farmers are victims just like any other victims -- they're not more special.

      Dat Mvc - 2013-07-15 11:46

      I would feel for you if farmers where not dominated by the minority.

  • Marius Koen - 2012-08-09 00:20

    Moord is moord. Dit maak nie saak watter kleur jy is of taal jy praat nie. (murder is murder, it does not matter what color you are or language you speak)

      nompumelelo.madonda - 2012-08-09 07:31

      I fully agree! Let all race groups unite in the fight such hatred, intolerance...My condolences to the family of the deceased.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:23

      Mooiskoot, ou!

      Dat Mvc - 2013-07-15 11:47


  • byron.pienaar - 2012-08-09 00:47

    Love it when a gov person will speak out when a person of a certain creed is killed or attacked and insist ministers and top prices get involved as it is acceptable. I was stabbed by 2 blacks outside Loftus after attending a rugby game,my wife's hand bag was stolen,we had just relocated to PTA,this was in 2008,can this gov knob insist ministers get involved and have the black criminals arrested?the farm murders,can those criminal prices be brought to justice?sadly the gov rot will continue and unfortunately blacks will still resent whites violently

      lotus.river.5 - 2012-08-09 08:19

      Well,like the kids in south park said:we need to change the definition of hate crimes.because all crimes are committed motivated by hate,whether its hatred towards a different sex,race religion,social class.noone wants to harm those he loves and therefore all crimes are comitted driven by by logic,all crimes should receive the same attention based on the level of injury that was sustained.that way,we will not have politicians condemning this and that,they will have to condemn everything

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-09 10:21

      Byron, no he can't. The Indian voters are important to the ANC, At the end of the day Kasril is only trying to gain votes for the party.

      fuad.mahomed - 2012-08-09 11:58

      @ Jacqui just shows how narrow minded you are this was an attack on a Muslim which happened to be Indian what would you have said if it were a white Muslim male instead use your little brain before u post idiotic comments

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:25

      Most Indians aren't Muslims but are Hindus, actually.

      Dat Mvc - 2013-07-15 11:56

      Until we all have an equal economic opportunity,It will not stop. some jobless black youth needs to eat. And who else to blame for this poverty on black youths ? Every creature's main responsibility is survival.

  • renier.lubbe.7 - 2012-08-09 01:05

    Phobia or no phobia the guilty should face the law! "Important People" however should not single out specific murders. What about condolences to all the other families that lost love ones due to crime and/or some phobia.

  • maverick.shaddy - 2012-08-09 01:14

    To the killers: Be ware!!!

  • michael.bushes - 2012-08-09 01:43

    This is the only Jewish politician to my knowledge in SA that speaks out against Israeli atrocities against Palestinians. If you know of any other, please provide me with a link.

  • Fikile Magadla - 2012-08-09 01:47

    This is so unnecessary guys.the whole killing of someone because of his Beard i dont believe u condone it just becoz Kasrils has spoken.forget him

  • social12345 - 2012-08-09 03:18

    Typical? ronnie the commie, is making sweeping generalised statements regarding society as a whole again, when this reprehensible act was committed by two lone individuals acting on their own judgement? Also, two wrongs haver never made anything right. Bring these animals to justice, for the sake of all the good people of this country, irrespective of the perpetrators race or religion.

  • joe.ndlovu.16 - 2012-08-09 05:26

    There are supposed to be hunted down and rot in groom the beards in Islaam is sunna.may his soul R.I.P

      yusufrasool - 2012-08-10 04:01

      °? agree Joe the beard is sunnah, and its an act of all the prophets not bin laden or some Muslim guy or Jewish guy its an act of prophets and the prophet muhammed SAW that they had to do and that was loved bt GOd

  • duma.nkabinde - 2012-08-09 05:28

    Those two thugs must meet their maker, these Afrikaner's only understand one language one of brute force! And comments which keep referring to our late African brother as bin ladin proves just how much of these pshychopaths roaming the streets!

      Jenny - 2012-08-09 05:59

      Excuse me? Your "late African brother Bin Laden" was responsible for the murders of thousands but you're quick to call the murderers of one person a psychopath? "They must meet their maker"? Do you insinuate that they should be murdered too? Puts YOU in the same league as the two "psychopaths" you condemn - i.e. a murderer and a racist.

      mohammedsiddique.kadwa - 2012-08-09 07:14

      Hahaha @ DOM JENNE.WEBBE- You obviously missed the plot! You need to read carefully and try to understand others before responding so emotionally. Your misguided conclusions are based on your not so SUPREMIST intellect.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-09 10:23

      Duma, your late African brother?. Man are you confused!!!! Geez.

  • imtiaz.osman.5 - 2012-08-09 05:49

    I can't believe the comments I have read here. Most of the whites have double standards. When this murder took place by this 2 afrikaners they say \do not generalize\ ,which I agree, but with the same breath they generalize islam with the action of handful muslims. Islam means peace. Having a beard does not make you a wanna be osama bin laden. It is sunnah of our prophet muhammed (peace be upon him).I pray these murderers get caught soon

      yusufrasool - 2012-08-10 03:58

      °? agree Imtiaz see how many thumbs down, we can't generalise, we Muslims live here peacefully and we respect others and their religions, its so amazing our religion teaches us peace and we respect all prophets from Adam to Moses to Jesus we don't ridicule there prophets cause they were Allah(God's) messengers, we respect the as prophets. But our prophet is not respected, secondly if the beard is symbol of terrorism why is when the Jew or Christians grows his beard its fine and why is it ok when the pictures of Jesus shows a beard. °? have non Muslim staff and °? respect there holy days and when they have to take off to go to church, we need to respect one another. We all forget that one day we will have to meet our creator and answer for what we have done, Allah (God) is just, whether u are Muslim Christian or Jew if u have wronged and not asked for forgiveness and seek the truth and right path u will be held accountable. °? think we all have forgotten that we all have the same creator and we will all have to meet him and face our fete. Please let's pray and open our hearts and love and respect one another and seek the truth like the prophets peace be upon them showed us.

  • sipho.skepu - 2012-08-09 06:15

    It must be bad to be a afrikaner,always tryna act superior. Government should take that Orania too.

      wehan.victor - 2012-08-09 11:50

      Don't generalize idiot.

  • jojo.balela.1 - 2012-08-09 07:10

    Sad that certain events like 911 has sparked such islamophobia in the world - just look at Burma! The masses cannot be victimised for the actions of a few - this is not a sign of intelligence

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:28

      What do YOU see in Burma, dude?

  • beki.khumalo - 2012-08-09 07:12

    Once again as I read the comments on this story, just like many others of this nature, I remain puzzled by the white pieces crap who find this barbaric act defendable! How do you defend such??? Typical!!! 'Thumb down' all you like, but as you thumb down remember this goes out to you as well! And News24, I know you'll remove this eventually, this has become a forum for white racists to exchange ideas and encourage each other.

      daniel.v.wyk - 2012-08-09 07:28

      How can you say white racist forum? Look at all the racial comments from yourself and all the other people here? But just blame the whites!

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-09 10:29

      Beki, No one in his right mind can find any act of violence defendable. What they can do is question the indignation about some killings which make them look more important than others. At the end of the day ALL killings are deplorable and I for one wish to God that one day we will live peacefully together in this country. Everytime I look at my Luthuli medal, I speak words of hope, I know they will come true some day.

      butch.grealy - 2012-08-09 11:29

      Is there any other available forum?!? here people get to vent their frustrations and express their anger even if it is sometimes misdirected through mis-information. Please tell me how you classify people into 'whites' and 'racists'?

      wehan.victor - 2012-08-09 11:55

      Count yourself among the racists friend. I actually think news24 censors it journalism in favour of black people. Whenever a white person commits a crime he/she is singled out as being white. This doesn't happen the other way around.

  • daniel.v.wyk - 2012-08-09 07:18

    Guys, your comments are really a concern, what happend to this man was wrong! RIP

  • mohammedsiddique.kadwa - 2012-08-09 07:26

    When will these Boeremag get wiped out? I hope its soon. BTW not all Afrikaners are racist, most wanna catch these murderers just like we all do.

      Johan De Beer - 2012-08-09 07:30

      Thank you

      daniel.v.wyk - 2012-08-09 07:32

      Now the boeremag is also involved? Sheeeesh, war article did you read? Mate grow up, this was an individual attack by two whites on two muslims, don't drag everyone into this! What happend was wrong! Rather pray for peace, than to seek revenge on more innocent people!

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:31

      Equating all white Afrikaners with the Boeremag is really no different to equating all Muslims with Al-Qaeda. It's bigoted nonsense. Disgusting.

  • Johan De Beer - 2012-08-09 07:29

    Why do people do this? Think about it. Why? And people, please stop all these hateful comments and insults. You might use this forum as a vent to try to make you feel better or stronger, but most of us find it distasteful and frankly a bit disturbing. Only cowards make faceless threats and insults.

      fuad.mahomed - 2012-08-09 11:40

      Cowards is how one would describe the two idiots that beat this man to death.

      Johan De Beer - 2012-08-09 12:14

      Cowards, yes, but also just evil.

  • kenny.bianco.7 - 2012-08-09 07:42

    Murder is murder nd it must be treated as such, human life comes 1st, then ur stupid ego, we South Africans condemn that murder, give ur attentions-seeking comments on other topics

  • khumo.tsoai - 2012-08-09 07:43

    So disappointing that a minorty rotten people can divide us so much. Drastic change is needed in RSA

      willie.botha.9480 - 2012-08-09 09:29

      Hi Khumo. Get your facts straight. Get to know some real Afrikaans people. They are diverse as any other race. I am Afrikaans and if I walked into that situation we would have 2 criminal elements less in SA. So do not judge me if you do not know me. And I know most Afrikaners to be like me. It is unfortunately the few that makes the papers.

      jean.tredoux.5 - 2012-08-09 09:31

      so what is your opinion about you black brothers killing raping babies? Do you have difficulty reading the black folk's comments? do not see the racism in that or are you just so focused in what the white person is doing wrong! You are so pathetic!!!!!!!!!

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2012-08-09 07:46

    Afrikaners in Chicken Licken? Could only have been skom gatte, I hope they rot in hell. There is too much violence in our country, it also worries me immensely that any white person can even try to defend this behaviour. Please guys, have some pride.

  • steveroodt - 2012-08-09 07:53

    Sympathy To the family. Hope the persons involved get traced and brought to justice. Islamophobia Lets be realistic these two white guy's are properly the town Idiots. Who know nothing about Islam or the Muslim culture. A bit of advice to all learn something about your neighbor and one day we might understand each other and be proud to call ourselves South African

  • jerzy.bondov.5 - 2012-08-09 08:05

    Fred, I hope the tragic idiot(s) you're referring to are the murdering Islamophobic morons. Way to go Kasrils!! Fred is one of the Islamophobes.

  • Lesetja Sema - 2012-08-09 08:06

    Guys what happened was wrong, lets just forget abt race. des ppl deserve 2 b behind bars.

  • khumo.tsoai - 2012-08-09 08:15

    The concept of race is a modern concept. In the ancient world, the Greeks, Romans, Jews, Christians, and Muslims did not have racial categories.  Rather people were divided according to religion, class, language, etc

  • Mandy Casey - 2012-08-09 08:18

    News 24 only reported the race and language because they don't have the names. For example in a previous story : "bail bid by Achmat Toffa, accused of the murder of Bruno " it is obvious. Police need to find answers. For sure it was not, oh look he has a beard - let us beat him to death. Why did the deceased's uncle refuse to make a case when asked by the police to? I would definitely have.

  • Chumscrubber1 - 2012-08-09 08:19

    The type that beat this man to death should be hung. Remove all bottom feeders from our society - but why does Kasrils not care when black people do this sort of thing to white people. Tjoep stil. Makes his statement seem a bit false, like he condones brutality against one sector of the population. Bit like some of the comments from white people that in a round about way seem to defend the actions of these low lives ...

  • peter.mokoena.31 - 2012-08-09 08:22

    Crime is a crime, the loss and emotional impact is the same to everyone, condolenses to the next of kin. Why would people just comment on race and hatred when things like these happens.johandebber's comments are flawless but why would some one give it thumbsdown? Some people I guess just get to write to see how much following they had regarding their hatred for certain human race

  • tamsin.freemantle - 2012-08-09 08:29

    so shocked

  • ntsiki.mdeni - 2012-08-09 09:06

    Amazing when a few black guys decide to go and murder a white farmer, and we non-white folk say its random crime, whites don't wanna hear of it cos its Genocide perpetrated by the racist ANC. Today one of their own, in fact two of their own, kill a Muslim guy for being Muslim. Or for his beard, we must all of a sudden accept it as random crime in ANC country! Bloody hypocrites!!

      willie.botha.9480 - 2012-08-09 09:17

      Hi ntsiki. You are stereotyping. I am Afrikaans and if I see something like this in public I would make those guys regret they even tried. And many are like me. This is wrong and sad on so many levels. What I do find curious though that suddenly a high profile ANC member now suddenly says someyhing because races are reversed. It should be the same for all circumstances. Don't you see the irony in it ?

      boffin.bobreturns - 2012-08-09 09:27

      ntsiki.....I agree 100%. Fair comment. This WAS a racist attack by two typical " domkop manne. " But then again willie botha is also correct. Anyway, this story will be " milked " for days to come for obvious reasons.

      brett.bruce.121 - 2012-08-10 18:37

      Can you not differentiate between a crime that occurs once and a crime that has occured THOUSANDS of times?

  • patrick.saunders123 - 2012-08-09 09:47

    Kasrils comment has stench of anc opportunism.

      butch.grealy - 2012-08-09 12:11

      When I see a story with an ANC official I always ask "what are they cooking up this time?" The fact that they have identified white afrikaaners as the perpetrators means they haved moved away from their policy of not identifying criminals by race. When? why? I think the police have their hands full with this one. From the "alleged fight" to the "buried evidence"

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:33

      I think it has the scent of Kasrils's own warmth of humanity, actually.

  • dewalds3 - 2012-08-09 10:01

    And all the farm murders carry the stench of communism the Kasril's way..

      watsongeorgejan - 2012-08-09 10:29

      Communism-Economic ideology that's structured upon common ownership of the means of production...does it say anything about murder or racial hatred?. Come on now, get over that occidental indoctrination it's 21st centuary already.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:36

      Dumb people use "communism" as a silly swearword without the faintest idea of what communism is. They're stuck back in the 1980s when they heard idiots like PW Botha and Magnus Malan rabbit on about "communism" and "total onslaught" and the usual Nat nonsense.

  • humaaira.omar - 2012-08-09 10:02

    i am very heart broken at this terrible news> i am muslim, have a beard and have many wonderful afrikaner, black and indian friends.please let us stop generalizing or else we will never build a great south africa. i only used race to make a point , we should all rather refer to ourselves as south african.we have good, and even freat in every race, and some very few the criminals even if you hide God knows who you are.

      Dat Mvc - 2013-07-15 13:39

      that can be done when the stolen wealth is equally shared by all of us.

  • jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2012-08-09 10:09

    Kasrils, where is your indignation when others are brutally raped or killed?.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:41

      Do you really expect Kasrils to make a personal statement for each of the 50000 murders in SA every year? The man will get no sleep, for heavens' sake! There IS something out of the ordinary and especially disturbing about this murder and Kasrils is alert to that fact -- hence his comment. But if YOU wish to pass 50000 comments on every murder in every year, please set Kasrils an example. If, however, you can't be bothered to, then don't expect from others what you can't care about yourself. Don't be a hypocrite.

  • willem.dehaan.94 - 2012-08-09 10:26

    I remember Kasrils as the guy who led a number of unfortunate people in an ill-advised, stupid and provoking demonstration, a number of whom were killed and injured, with him running away unscathed. Later he had a lot to say about the police. Not exactly my hero.

      jaba.kov - 2012-08-09 10:46

      I agree with what kasrils said - but think very little of him... He has a split personality... Nough said

  • eseedat - 2012-08-09 11:16

    Few points. I have very good afrikaaner friends who will fight for me, so no blame attached to the nation. I have a beard. But sometimes it gets to you, eg you walk in a store and you here someone comment "saddam is here" or "mohammed eet vark' yes, best is to ignore these pagan idiots. But sometimes it gets to you and you cant help but retaliate. In this guys case it cost him his life.

  • warwick.gibson.1 - 2012-08-09 11:31

    Meybe it was self defence after being threatend, remember the one muslim had a brick to attack.

      fuad.mahomed - 2012-08-09 12:27

      Clearly you have something against us Muslims

      Dat Mvc - 2013-07-15 13:41

      So you know who did it,yet you are not telling the it possible that it was you

  • anwar.rassool - 2012-08-09 12:13

    There is too much hatred in SA... period. No matter how much we try to convince ourselves that we live in a diverse country with many differences. majority of the population has the same level of hatred for his fellow country men .. and I'm talking across the board ... everyone .. irrespective of race or religion. The people in SA need a change badly not in the government so much as they do within themselves.

  • archangel.zerachiel - 2012-08-09 12:18

    And what about all the Black on White attacks? Why no comments from Ronnie Kasrils - or Uncle ronnie - who displayed his true cowardice in Bop - he is a racist and a communist populist who plays to the crowd and the moment, however stupid they or it might be. WE know YOU ronnie ... Wena kasrils sithi hayi-hayi.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:43

      Not Bop, fellow. Bhisho -- in the Ciskei. Get your facts right.

  • david.walt.7 - 2012-08-09 12:54

    As an afrikaner I agree 100% that these two dumb MF's need to be caught and made an example of. This was a 100% racist attack. People in this comment section should not generalize and paint a picture of a race/religion/nationality based on a few screwed up people. Every group has screwed up people in it. If you generalize then you have the same mindset as the two guys. They generalized that everyone with a beard is a muslim terrorist. I deal with afrikaans, english, black, indian, colored, christian, muslims, jews on a daily bases. At the end of the day there is actually very little difference between us all.

      fuad.mahomed - 2012-08-09 12:57

      Well said

  • jakes.cakedregs - 2012-08-09 14:04

    How noble you are, Kasrils: Yapping like a little mongrel, inciting the big dogs to fight! Then you flee to a safe distance. And when only the bloody bodies are left, torn and mutilated in the streets, you slink back - hoping to receive honour and recognition. Have you not learnt your lesson with the Bisho masacre? Would you like to see it happen again? You actively promote violence - the only thing you have ever done well!

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:44

      Ronnie's expressing sympathy and anger at bigotry. He's showing his humanity. Unlike you.

  • mark.wade.9461 - 2012-08-09 14:52

    It's rather strange that Mr Kasril's has so much to say about one Muslim man being killed in South Africa - however, it is tragic - when he has nothing to say about the tens of thousands of innocent men, women and children that Muslim fundamentalists murder worldwide each year, and their rockets that shower into Israel each day. Further, they've declared an international jihad against all non-Muslims, creating terror across the globe. He's being rather hypocritical, don't you think?

      yusufrasool - 2012-08-10 03:23

      MR wade, it seems you don't have the knowledge of what's happenning in Palestine or what would you call Israel which is stolen land and apartheid to its highest. Secondly if u see the news and media u always see the plaestinians throwinf stones against hevily armed Israeli soldiers, the rockets launched are from Israel. From your comment you show no remorse for this tragedy and injustice that happened, that's why u looking for an excuse. We Muslims and Indians in south Africa had fought in the apartheid struggle also and have got freedom today in which we thank God (Allah), the leaders and people of this country. We live here peacefully we don't justify inhumane actions that's carried out in Palestine, Burma, Afghanistan and so on by the Israelis and all the other offenders by attacking there people here in south Africa.Mr kasril shows sympathy and we respect him for that and you are showing no respect to this situation and to the man that has passed on and to his family. °? think u have forgotten that our country has shown solidairty to Palestine as the non white people here have shared a similar injustice to them, cause theuy have seen the truth and they know the suffering that they and the Palestinians have went through and are going through. We have moved forward and are living together peacefully in our beautifull multiculural country learning to respect one another and living together and building a better country and nation.Wwhy is it that islam is growing rapidly cause people see the truth and the peace of our religion here, you want to call people terrorists when they defend themselves and when your Israelis are massacsring the people its called protecting their rights. There is no justification In killing and harming innoncent people. so don't try to justify a wrong the ony hypocytical thing here is your comment, try to strove for peace as we all are created by the one Allah (God, so try to show remorse and seek peace, justice and a better future. To end on a note we watch sports and in our national cricket team we have a great embassador for our country and islam in Hashim Amla who wears a beard and has won the hearts of this country and the world with his character, his team mates admire him and love him and they all from different cultures. So take note and if u don't like that justcie and sympathy is shown for our countrymen then move to another country don't stop the people here bettering oursemves.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:46

      So, do YOU make 50000 comments on each and every murder a year? If not -- and you only pick out some -- why can't everyone else do the same?

  • tmukosi - 2012-08-09 16:25

    Hashim Amla

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:47

      Top batsman. And a decent man.

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-09 18:19

    Love,respect,unity,education,tolerance these are some of MATERIALS for bulding the nation. But instead, warehouses are just full of RACISM AND PHOBIAS.

      turdy.mclaw - 2012-08-10 00:32

      @Harold:I agree with you 100%. But unlike a lot of people on this forum I believe we are getting rid of these types of people,slowly but surely.The media is quick to divide us.Its job is to create sensationalism around race on race crime,but at work,schools and universities where we interact with each other everyday on an equal level, we are breaking the barriers bit by bit. I despise these idiots who think they can harass and intimidate other people and get away with it. Unfortunately there are a lot of thick-headed "brekers" out there who think they can solve everything with their fists.But let this be a lesson to all of you morons(of all races)! They will most surely be caught and if their consciences haven't ripped them to pieces by now,they'll have a lifetime in jail where they'll regret their stupidity, every second, for the rest of their lives. I've been intimidated by afrikaners,blacks,english and indians in my lifetime..And I've learned that it's INDIVIDUALS who are intolerant.NOT races.Most people we interact with on a daily basis are good hearted.So don't let 2 idiots and/or individuals still living in the past fill your heart with hate.Condolences to the families and may we save us from ourselves.

      Harold Chisimba - 2012-08-10 08:42

      @turdy Ihope your sweet and proficient message will impartially change the diabolic minds of some oxymoronic fellas,hat off for you Mr.

  • fatima.mohammed.581 - 2012-08-09 19:51

    I respect the other groups including the Afrikaners for their desire to see justice prevail. Thank you all for the support. Lets work together towards a more tolerable nation. The senseless killings and hate need to stop and it needs to stop with each and every one of us. We are civilised human beings.

  • walter.lebza - 2012-08-10 21:11

    I agree with commentators the men who commited this horrible crime must be arrested and severly punished. But i think they insulted his beard, not his religion. Although they were wrong to do that. But Not all muslims have beards, especially black muslims. And not everyone who has a beard is a muslim. News24 is not repporting right.

      blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:49

      Not every Jew wears a yarmulke and not everyone wearing a yarmulke is a Jew, but it still is a pretty good guess that if you spot a yarmulke-wearer and he isn't the Pope, that he's probably Jewish.

  • blip.noodlum - 2012-08-10 23:12

    Well said, Ronnie! And let's hope these racist thugs are brought to book soon.