As it happened: Dewani in court - day 21

2014-11-14 09:36

Get all the highlights from the 21st day of Shrien Dewani's trial in the Western Cape High Court for the murder of his wife, Anni Hindocha.


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Last Updated at 18:12
14 Nov 11:11
And that seems to be it for today, folks. We'll have more live updates for this on Monday. Have a great weekend!

14 Nov 11:03
Court adjourns until Monday morning.

14 Nov 11:03
Defence concludes.

14 Nov 11:02

14 Nov 11:02

Traverso interjects and asks TM: Should you not have asked the investigating officer?

TM: Yes

14 Nov 11:00

PB tells TM the report was only made available after the defence asked for it in August this year...

PB: That's not the way things are done at your office?

TM: I can't answer that.

14 Nov 10:59

PB asks how long it should take for report to make its way to the Investigating Officer?

TM: I can't answer that.

14 Nov 10:57
These results were not made available during trial of Xolile Mngeni, who was found to have been the triggerman, tweets Vanessa Poonah.

14 Nov 10:56
Seems like the defence isn't letting up until the witness answers how they want.

14 Nov 10:50

14 Nov 10:48

PB wants to know how primer residue ends up on the web area of someone who didn't shoot.

TM: The gasses that are formed settle on all exposed areas.

14 Nov 10:46

14 Nov 10:46
TM says yes but that a sample is usually taken from the webbed area.

14 Nov 10:45

14 Nov 10:45
And Traverso again has questions for witness.

14 Nov 10:45

PB moves to webbed area. Asks: Does this not mean that the person probably fired the gun.

TM sticks to his first answer.

14 Nov 10:43

PB: If primer residue is found on a person's body, that does not mean that that person necessarily fired gun. It's only one possibility. Agree?

TM: Yes

14 Nov 10:40

PB reads TM's testimony from another trial. "Primer residue normally found between fore finger and thumb".

PB asks why it's expected to be found there?

TM again says it is closest to gun.

14 Nov 10:37

PB: Why do police always look for primer residue on the webbed area of the hand?

TM: Because that is the are closest to firearm.

14 Nov 10:36

PB asks why it was listed as a likely cause that person fired gun in his report.

TM says that in an enclosed area the chances are high that all in area test positive. 

14 Nov 10:35

PB: It must be a possibility that the person fired the gun?

TM: The person must have been within shooting environment.

14 Nov 10:34

Judge Traverso interjects: What are the probabilities? Let's take a neutral scenario. Left hand positive, right negative. What can you conclude?

TM says it means that person was in the vicinity where a gun was discharged.

14 Nov 10:32

PB:  Do police look for primer residue in the web area of the hand, because that would be the area most exposed to the firearm?

TM: Yes.

14 Nov 10:31

PB mentions the 2 options for primary residue: Firing shot, being nearby or secondary transfer.

PB: Qwabe says he didn't touch gun which means secondary transfer no longer a possibility.

TM agrees.

14 Nov 10:28
TM: If he was in car and wearing glove, primer residue will settle on all exposed areas.

14 Nov 10:27

PB: Qwabe's evidence was that he never touched the gun before or after it was discharged. Did you know about that?

TM says he didn't.

PB: Secondary transfer is then excluded. Agreed?

14 Nov 10:26

PB asks if a person tests positive, does that mean anywhere on the person's body.

TM: Yes.

14 Nov 10:25

PB points out that if the windows were closed and gun went off in car, wind won't play a role.

TM agrees.

14 Nov 10:23

PB asks TM what he knows so far.

TM: That it was discharged in the vehicle. That there was wind.

PB asks where wind was. TM says he isn't sure if wind was on the day of the shooting.

14 Nov 10:22

PB: If you find primer residue present, that tells us that a gun was discharged, correct?

TM: Correct

14 Nov 10:21
AM concludes. Defences Pieter Botha cross-examines TM.

14 Nov 10:20

AM refers to photo of glove. He says the sample was analysed a while after the incident.

TM says it doesn't look like the glove disturbed. It was reserved and therefore it was possible to get a positive result.

14 Nov 10:19
TM: Primer residue examination can't determine who has fired the gun.

14 Nov 10:18

Mopp asks about secondary transfer.

TM says it happens when someone comes into contact with cartridge or gun holster.

14 Nov 10:17
TM says people test positive for primer residue for a number of reasons. It's usually the person who fired the shot or someone within a radius of two metre from the person who shot or it is secondary transfer.

14 Nov 10:13

AM: Can one deduce from where particles are found where the shot was fired?

TM: No, particles are found on all exposed areas.

14 Nov 10:12

AM asks how wind could affect particles?

TM says if particles are loose on surface. A lot of movement can also affect particles.

14 Nov 10:11

AM says it is common cause the shot was discharged inside the vehicle.

TM says primer residue can be found in all exposed areas.

14 Nov 10:11
TM further says that it is possible that the gunman and a person close by can test positive for primer residue.

14 Nov 10:10

AM: What is primer residue?

TM: It is from the firearm when discharged, found on hands of person who fired. When particles descend, it can be deposited on person's hands.

14 Nov 10:09
The State's Adriann Mopp says it is common cause that primer residue samples were taken and analysed. Mopp hands in pic of yellow glove. Also common cause that piece of glove was removed for analysis.

14 Nov 10:05
Thandiwe Mlabateki is on the stand. TM is colonel in Saps with forensics science lab. Has 19 years experience.

14 Nov 10:03
Court is in session.

14 Nov 09:39

The murder trial of British businessman Shrien Dewani, accused of killing his wife Anni, will resume in the Western Cape High Court on Friday.

The court did not sit on Thursday because it was the anniversary of Anni's death.

On Wednesday, Deputy Judge President Jeanette Traverso lambasted prosecutor Adrian Mopp for scurrying around to finalise witnesses and the investigation. - Sapa

14 Nov 09:37
It's been four years since Anni Hindocha was killed while honeymooning in Cape Town. Here's everything you need to know about her death and her husband's subsequent trial.

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