Jayde's dad ínsulted' after altercation with Panayiotou lawyer - As it happened

2015-07-20 14:25

Jayde Panayiotou's father, Derick Inggs, told News24 he felt insulted after an apparent altercation with defence lawyer Terry Price.


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20 Jul 15:44
When asked by News24 for comment,  Price said he was not prepared to say anything other than to say he was pushed and pushed back.

20 Jul 15:33

Meanwhile, Jayde's father, Derick Inggs, told News24 he felt insulted after an apparent altercation with defence lawyer Terry Price.

Earlier on Monday, Inggs appeared to bump into Price and another man he was speaking to on his way out of the courtroom.

There was a bit of a heated exchange between Price and Inggs.

"I felt insulted that he slapped me. I thought he was a learned man but obviously he's not," Inggs told News24's Derrick Spies.

20 Jul 15:28
Court adjourns.

20 Jul 15:27

Goosen says he will take time to consider his judgement. He says his judgement is reserved and he will hand down his judgement on Tuesday, July 28.

20 Jul 15:26
Standers now gets to respond. He points out that there is one issue he wishes to raise and that's that the amount paid to Siyoli by CP, brought into question by Hellens, is an amount of R70 000.

20 Jul 15:23
Hellens points out that should bail appeal be denied then Panayiotou will remain in jail for at least another year before the trial takes place.

20 Jul 15:21
Hellens says it is very difficult to cleave, from the statements by the State in the case, the evidence from the argument.

20 Jul 15:20
Hellens says that nowhere in the original affidavits by the IO, is there any indication that there was evidence from Coutts and Kapp.

20 Jul 15:20
Hellens points out that nowhere in the original affidavits by the IO, is there any indication that there was evidence from Coutts and Kapp.

20 Jul 15:18

Hellens now addressing the issue of the wiping of the phones of Coutts and CP. He repeats that the phones were wiped to hide the shame and embarrassment of the affair.

20 Jul 15:16
Hellens again talks about the State referring to CP's travel history and the ease of travel, calling the State's focus on it reckless.

20 Jul 15:14
Hellens said there is much given by the State in argument rather than in evidence.

20 Jul 15:13
Hellens is now further questioning the relationship between Siyoli and CP.

20 Jul 15:13
Hellens says the magistrate's judgement that prison is "not a holiday away from home" can't be forgiven. He says this implies prison is punishment and that someone innocent until proven guilty should not be subjected to this. Hellens said that though the court could not do anything about the conditions these needed to be taken into consideration in the findings.

20 Jul 15:09

Hellens said the State has not argued a bail appeal but a bail application.

Goosen again interjects and states that this is not the case. He says the State has pointed out that the defence is questioning the findings on certain aspects and has responded by stating that these are the facts on which the findings were made.

20 Jul 15:06
Goosen interjects and points out that the record shows that CP actually told the defence he had applied for a passport.

20 Jul 15:06
Hellens addresses the issue of OP telling his defence that he has dual citizenship.

20 Jul 15:01
He quotes Swanepoels affidavit wherein the officer states that the passport was obtained to avoid arrest.

20 Jul 15:00
Hellens now addressing the issue of the recklessness of Swanepoel.

20 Jul 15:00
He says Siyoli asked for a private attorney. And points out that the attorney he received was a legal aid attorney.

20 Jul 14:59
Hellens now draws attention to the charge sheet on Siyoli.

20 Jul 14:58
Hellens for the defence counters. He once again raises the issue of Siyoli's confession.

20 Jul 14:57

Stander says Beeton also found that the States case does not rest solely on the testimony of Siyoli.

And he's done.

20 Jul 14:55
He says based on the above the court was correct in finding that CP could interfere with evidence and witnesses.

20 Jul 14:55
Stander says the information was never given to the court but was only addressed after the investigating officer brought it to light.

20 Jul 14:53
Stander says this is not true. He points out that this was done out of fear as the police were asking questions.

20 Jul 14:52
Stander addresses the issue of the wiping of Panayiotou's and Coutt's cellphones. CP stated that this was done as he did not want his family to find out about his sexual relationship with Coutts.

20 Jul 14:50
Stander points out that in his affidavits CP says he has not and will not destroy evidence, but evidence has shown that he has indeed done so.

20 Jul 14:48
Stander now addressing the issue of interference with State witnesses. He says this is probably the easiest aspect to address as it is already clear that he has interfered with evidence and with witnesses. Stander points out that CP wiped cellphones, destroyed SIM cards and instructing a key witness, Siyoli, to lay low.

20 Jul 14:46
Stander says the conclusion arrived by Beeton (to not grant bail) was indeed the correct one.

20 Jul 14:44
He points out that the destinations of the travel were never part of the State's case, but that the magistrate had asked for clarity. He says the reason for the submissions regarding the travel was merely to show that CP was familiar with international travel.

20 Jul 14:43
Stander points out that the State never called CP a globetrotter, and that this was a word placed on record by Terry Price.

20 Jul 14:43

Evidence was selectively placed before court to indicate that the appellant (CP) had nowhere to go.

Now we have to ask ourselves, why was it excluded - Stander

The only inference is that the appellant does not intend to stand trial, says the prosecutor.

Stander now addressing the issue of the proof submitted regarding the international travel done by CP.

20 Jul 14:38
Stander says that, if it had not been for IO Swanepoel the court would have remained ignorant,  up to today, that Panayiotou had dual citizenship.

20 Jul 14:38
He says the matter of the dual citizenship and the fact that CP had applied for a Cypriot passport was conveyed to the defence and they decided that the matter was not relevant.

20 Jul 14:36
Stander once again raises the issue of the defense making the decision not to reveal CP's dual citizenship. He points out that this matter was discussed between the defence and CP.

20 Jul 14:35
Stander now addressing the issue of CP as a flight risk.

20 Jul 14:33
Stander tells the court that this is not the case, he says that the matter of Coutts taking leave due to strenuous questioning was raised but that this was not the same as undue pressure to implicate CP.

20 Jul 14:32
He points out that in their heads of argument Coutts was unduly pressurised to implicate the appellant (Panayiotou).

20 Jul 14:31
Stander points out that a lot has been made about Coutts by the defence.

20 Jul 14:30
Stander points out that it is easy for the court to step into the trap saying that there are major concerns regarding the recording or around the issue of a section 204 witness but when the matter is looked at as a whole this is not the case.

20 Jul 14:29
Moving onto Siyoli matter: Stander points out that the State does have a 204 witness. He points out that the 204 witness (Siyoli) wanted and received legal representation. He also says that the section 204 witness is not the be all and end all of the State's case.

20 Jul 14:28

Stander also states that there are many people that are being detained and that as such if the case was made that CP was to be released due to the conditions then the same would have to be applied to their cases as well.

20 Jul 14:26
Stander says Panayiotou (CP) is used to an above average standard of living so the conditions would be, relatively, worse for him.

20 Jul 14:24
Stander addressing the issue of the conditions at St Alban's prison. He says Beeton was not being facetious when she said prison is not a holiday away from home.

20 Jul 14:23
Court session resumes. Stander continues his case.

20 Jul 14:17
Both families have returned to court as proceedings are about to resume.

20 Jul 13:08
Goosen  agrees. Court is adjourned for lunch and will resume at 14:00.

20 Jul 13:04
Stander points out it is now 13:00 and requests an adjournment for lunch.

20 Jul 13:01
He also asks that if CP was acting on the police instructions, why would he tell Siyoli to disappear for a month and look after the killer's family.

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