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The Nkandla report - AS IT HAPPENED

2014-03-19 11:35

Public Protector Thuli Madonsela will finally release her report into upgrades at President Jacob Zuma's Nkandla homestead.

See a timeline of events concerning the upgrades here.
 
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17:04 - So that's where we'll end this update. Tomorrow (Thursday) the ANC responds to the report and government is responding now. But that's it today for Madonsela. Cheers for now. 


17:01 - Madonsela finishes briefing. She must be exhausted.


17:00 - Madonsela: There's no evidence the president lied about Nkandla.


16:55 - One thing I've observed about president is respect for rule of law. He has to submit comment to Parliament, says PP.


16:51 - PP: Do I fear for my life? No. I don't think we are one of those democracies where people disappear. People want accountability.


16:49 - PP: I expect the ANC to defend the Constitution and to ask for a meeting if they don't understand


16:45 - Madonsela has told reporters: Govt must take responsibility for delays and the fact that the is being released close to elections. 


16:44 - Max du Preez reckons: "If anything, the Public Protector was soft on Zuma - he didn't 'willfully' speak the truth either. Line up the scapegoats, comrades!"


16:42 - The ANC says it postponed its briefing on Madonsela's report to give government a chance to respond. 

The government briefing, due to have started at 15:00 has yet to start. Almost two hours later.


16:38 - This is the first time I don't specify who assisted me. Because of the animosity that has accompanied the report, says PP. 

No one has said they were intimidated but investigators felt uncomfortable and declined to be on the panel, she says. 


16:36 - We decided to avoid saying how much is reasonable for Zuma to refund. An auditor and surveyor are needed for that- PP

Madonsela: I called it the elephant in the room - items of (Zuma's) account that were discussed by govt.


16:35 - Madonsela: If we had interacted with security cluster earlier, would have had better understanding of security concerns


16:34 - Madonsela says in the final report she rethought her original finding on whether Zuma misled Parliament


16:33 - Madonsela: It's always difficult to say what has changed in final report, because then it's not provisional finding but public


16:30 - The ANC has just announced it has postponed its briefing to Thursday at 10:00.


16:27 - Madonsela: I provided the president with the provisional report and advisors made themselves available. 


16:26 - Zuma answered some questions, but not all, which is really sad. It was opportunity for the president to explain himself, PP says. 


16:22 - Madonsela says met with Zuma in July 2013 to tell him about what is being investigated. He had no representative, so she didn't interview him.


16:20 - Madonsela says that accusations that Zuma wasn't informed about investigation are untrue. She says she wrote to him. "Unless he doesn't get his letters."


16:19 - Madonsela: It's now clear that the state built Zuma some buildings and it is up to the president to see how he deals with Parliament.


16:11 - The DA has also announced in a press statement it will be laying criminal charges at Nkandla SAPS following the release of Madonsela's Nkandla report. 


16:09 - The PP said earlier: "If authorities acted when Nkandla was brought to their attention, it would've saved citizens money."


16:07 - Madonsela FINALLY ends briefing on report by saying simply: "Thank you." But the media must still ask questions.


16:05 - Madonsela quotes ConCourt judge saying functionary must investigate and take action, because required to be transparent


16:04 - Public office bearers in affected organs of state are to ensure compliance.


16:00 - Madonsela has been speaking for three and a half hours now. The media must still ask questions.

"We are now on the last page of the report executive summary. After this, questions will follow,"says Carien du Plessis.


15:58 - No more security upgrades at Nkandla unless they are absolutely necessary, says PP.


15:57 - The minister of police (Mthethwa) should take steps to expedite the review of the National Key Points Act.


15:55 - Zuma must report to National Assembly on comments and actions on report within 14 days


15:55 - Zuma must reprimand ministers involved for appalling manner in which project was handled- PP


15:54 - PP: Zuma must pay back reasonable percentage of non-security implementation costs.


15:53 - PP: Military clinic also requires lifetime maintenance which may exceed Zuma's lifetime


15:50 - Zuma: Zuma has to take steps with treasury and SAPS to determine non-security implementation costs


15:50 - Many installations require life time maintenance at the cost of the state, says PP. 


15:48 - PP: Deficiencies in defence dept regulations about security at homes of govt leaders show need for proper policy


15:46 - PP: Conduct of some of the role players delayed the investigation. Architect Makhanya assumed multiple and conflicting roles as principal agent.


15:45 - PP: Unable to make finding over whether Zuma lied to parliament about mortgage bond. He didn't provide papers


15:44 - PP: Zuma's failure to act to protect state resources is a violation of paragraph 2 of the executive ethics code and Constitution.


15:43 - Karyn Maughanfrom eNCA tweets: "Just spoke to Nkandla architect Minenhle Makhanya. He says he's "not in a position to comment" on PP report, put down phone."


15:42 - Madonsela: Zuma, as head of SA Incorporated, wore two hats: one of ultimate guardian of SA people's resources, and one of beneficiary. 


15:40 - PP: The president failed to apply his mind to the contents of the declaration of his private residence as a national key point.


15:39 - Zuma told Parliament that his family built its own houses, and not the state. This was not true, says PP.


15:39 - It appears Zuma made a bona fide mistake and didn't intetionally mislead Parliament, says PP.


15:38 - The president and his family CLEARLY benefitted from this, says PP pointedly.


15:37 - Costs of visitors’ Centre, cattle kraal and chicken run, swimming pool and amphitheatre should be borne by president.

And Thuli takes another much-needed sip of water. That's only the second (I think) in almost three hours of speaking.


15:36 - Madonsela: Zuma tacitly accepted and unduly benefited from investment on non-security upgrades, and should pay.


15:34 -  It is clear that President Zuma that he was never familiarized with the provisions of the National Key Points Act


15:32 - Is Zuma liable for some of the costs incurred, PP asks.


15:31 - Madonsela: Funds were redirected from programmes including inner city regeneration. "Improper conduct and maladministration."


15:31 - PP: Not saying what should happen to Makhanya. Placing him there was maladministration by state


15:28 - PP now onto a finding about political interference. Madonsela: Involvement of Doidge and Bogopane-Zulu might be perceived as political interference, but no such climate.


15:27 - PP: "I do not make the rules, I simply enforce collectively agreed controls and values


15:26 - Lt Gen Ramlakan, the former surgeon general, failed to comply with and or ensure compliance. 


15:25 - "A reasonable part of the expenditure towards the installations ... should be borne by him (Zuma) and his family"- PP. 


15:23 - Madonsela: Chief quantity surveyor showed exemplary conduct in questioning excessive cost escalation.


15:22 - PP: All ministers of the Public Works provided incorrect information on the legal authority.

Geoff Doidge and Nathi Mthethwa could have provided better leadership as minsters, says PP.


15:19 - Mthethwa failed to properly apply his mind, PP has found. 


15:17 - PP: Zuma improperly benefitted from some upgrades, some measures benefit his family as well.


15:15 - PP moves onto whether Zuma's family benefited. She finds that Zuma's brother didn't.


15:15 - PP: Visitors centre, kraal, swimming pool and relocation of neighbours "at enormous cost to the state" were unnecessary.

Expenditure was excessive and a misappropriation of funds. Contravention of constitution.


15:13 - PP: Measures of including buildings and other installations by the Dept of Public Works went beyond reasonable requirements for security.


15:10 - One of those unlawful measures is the moving of the neighbours, says PP.


15:09 - PP: The organs of state involved failed dismally to follow supply chain management.


15:08 - Madonsela: Was failure to comply with tender regulations, no security clearance for some service providers, and scope creep.


15:07 - Finding: A license to loot situation was created by government due to lack of demand management.


15:06 - Read Madonsela's full statement here.


15:05 - Where there was authority to upgrade security it was exceeded. Procedures not followed - PP


15:04 - Cabinet policy of 2003 was violated.


15:04 - Madonsela moves onto findings - there was authority for some things and not for others.


15:01 - The Cabinet/ govt briefing on Madonsela's report is due to start now. Meanwhile, this is trending on Twitter in Cape Town: "#impeachzuma is now trending in #CapeTown trendsmap.com/za/cape town"


15:01 - Madonsela says maladministration will not be dealt with now.


14:59 - "Someone just asked me how getting a lecture from my mom is. . . :'')," tweets Wenzile Madonsela


14:57 - For the time since she started speaking more than two hours ago, Madonsela has taken a sip of water. Much needed probably.

PP: How does the expenditure compare with previous expenditure. Excessive. What was envisaged when the regime was conceived?


14:55 - The communication around what was being built could have been handled better. This is just an observation, not a finding, says PP. This has grossly undermined the trust in government, she says.


14:51 - The DA's Mazibuko: "Given damning findings Parliament must immediately begin considering my motion (of impeachment)."


14:50 - The new tuck shop is not really a tuck shop but a building housing security features. One of those buildings is a tuck shop, says PP.


14:49 -  Makhanya (the architect) was asked to discuss the fire pool with the president. It was put on hold because of personal expenses.


14:47 -  PP says several things cannot be classified as security measures.She repeats that the swimming pool (note: NOT firepool as Minister Thulas Nxesi put it) was delayed often because it was not considered a security upgrade.


14:46 - Many ministers and reportedly Zuma himself sought to influence her investigation and prevent it from taking place, says the DA's Lindiwe Mazibuko.


14:45 - Madonsela: We had questions on whether cattle kraal, culvert, pool, amphitheater were security upgrades.


14:43 - I concede that I'm not a security expert, says PP. My role is of public scrutiny.


14:41 - PP says the police  did not play a role in post upgrades according to a SAPS official.


14:40 - Dept Public Works official in memo demanding budget increase to R200m: "Failure to assist me will result in us failing Zuma."


14:38 - 



14:37 - The has DA welcomed Madonsela's report and that the recommendations are being made public.


14:34 - Madonsela: Just because officials were working on project involving the president they cut corners.


14:29 - PP: I'm unable to conclude this did not present risk of conflict of interest on role played by Makhanya. Makhanya was paid on a percentage basis. The more expensive the work, more he got paid.


14:27 - It was never explained why Mr Makhanya became the principal agent of the upgrades, says PP.


14:27 - PP: If government becomes lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law.


14:24 - 



14:21 - There were deviations in Nkandla: these were justified by instructions from public works, agency, security provider chosen by president.


14:18 - The project started at R27m. The cost is now more than R250m. 


14:18 - PP puzzled as to who gave the state the power to remove those families.


14:16 - Madonsela: Two security experts evaluated fence, but didn't complain. Architect Makhanya wanted it straight "for security".


14:14 - We looked at what Zuma's predecessors did on clinic. Mandela had mobile ICU which reverted back to state, PP says. She says the same will happen with mobile clinic at Nkandla. 


14:12- "Madonsela is on page 27 of a 71 page executive summary. Unless she skips ahead it'll take a while to get to findings," tweets reporter Ranjeni Munusamy. We might be here for a while yet...


14:11 - PP asks: Did Zuma know he had to pay? He was informed he had to pay for everything but only a year later.


14:09 - The Democratic Alliance is set to respond to Madonsela's report now, the government at 15:00 and the ANC at 16:30.


14:09 - The disappearance of the document at a time when all involved were conversant on its contents is a matter of great concern.


14:07 - Madonsela: There was even talk at one point of a swimming pool being on hold because it was for Zuma's account. 


14:05 - We are struggling to find out how these expenditures were authorised, says PP. 


14:01 - Zuma argued very soundly that there's any obligation for him to pay for security upgrades at his home, says PP.


13:59 - The spending on Nkandla was way more than what previous presidential properties was.



13:57 - And the lights are back...


13:55 - Have the lights gone out at the briefing? Looks like it. Madonsela looks a bit confused. Madonsela apologises for the interruption.


13:54 - For only this project public works office given powers to sign off on R200m instead of R20m cap. 


13:51 - PP: Security was supposed to be handled in terms of the National Key Points Act.

PP: Our reading declaration showed that the National Key Point Act is an enabling framework for upgrades.


13:51 - The directive from the police should have informed the upgrades, says PP. 


13:48 - Madonsela says the Nkandla project turned into the construction of a "township" after Zuma consultants came in.


13:47 - PP says clearer regulations needed for presidents and deputies.


13:44 - PP: In May 2009 security costs came to only R27m... course of action changed in August 2009..."What happened in August 2009?"


13:43 - Zuma said PP's provisional report "is tainted by lack of proper procedure... and... has not applied the rules of natural justice".


13:42 - PP: The president was aware of what the Nkandla project entailed as he was briefed from time to time.


13:41 - Madonsela has recommended that President Jacob Zuma must pay a percentage of the cost of security upgrades to his private Nkandla home. Read more here


13:38 - 10 things worth knowing about Madonsela’s Nkandla report, writes City Press's Carien du Plessis.


13:36 -  PP says the National Key Points Act, Cabinet Policy and Treasury rules were all but completely ignored.


13:34 - Zuma was part of the problem of delays and, had it not been for him, the report would've been out in April 2013.


13:33 - PP: Normal approach to probes was applied. We asked "what happened and what should have happened?"


13:31 - PP had to ask Zuma the same questions ministers were asked.


13:29 - PP: I took into account Public Protector Act and Constitution taken when determining how much public should hear.


13:29 - PP: We've experienced problems with accessing information that was said to be classified. 


13:26 - PP also experienced issues of jurisdiction. some challenged improperly jurisdiction. 


13:25 - PP experienced lengthy delays in response to Section 79 notices. When asked to extend timelines, her office was threatened with litigation.


13:24 - The president was given a copy of the provisional report, says PP. 


13:23 - The investigation took two years to complete. Access to classified reports one of the factors that delayed the probe, says PP. 


13:22 - PP also found that Zuma's inaction with spiralling costs when news broke in 2009 was violation of ethics code.


13:22 - Zuma changed the design of bullet proof windows because "they reminded him of his incarceration".


13:21 - PP interviewed the former minister of public works, former minister of public works, and officials from public works, police & defence as part of her investigation.


13:20 - PP finds that despite being asked to build “economical” upgrades, architect came back with “luxurious” designs.


13:17 - "Public Protector did not beat Zuma up as badly as she found cause to on Nkandla, but still paints a man arguably unfit to be President," tweets Phillip de Wet.


13:16 Madonsela's report is between 450-500 pages long (I'm seeing different figures from journalists).


13:15 - Had Zuma questioned the cost of the project, the state would have paid far less.


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13:12 - Scope of probe also deals with conduct of Zuma and others (involved in or connected to project), says PP. 


13:12 - PP: If government becomes lawbreaker, it breeds contempt for law.


13:11 - PP lists 12 issues investigated in the report "Was the expenditure by the state excessive?"


13:10 - Letter by Public Works Dept which sought to ascertain how much Zuma should've paid went missing.


13:10 - The government will respond to Madonsela's report at 15:00 and the ANC at 16:30. 


13:09 - PP says she found it difficult to understand why state paid for swimming pool, kraal and other frills.


13:08 - 



13:05 - Deeply disturbing to find that Zuma and others feel it is alright to benefit themselves, PP says. Harsh words from Madonsela.


13:05 - PP's report says Zuma’s private architect earned R16.5m from project.


13:02 - The work (at Nkandla) is incomplete, PP says her office found. "Where is the money coming from and how is it received?" is one of the complaints PP's office received.


13:02 - Zuma is required to report to Parliament within 14 days.


13:00 - PP: Zuma's failure to act in protection of state resources is violation of Executive Members' Ethics Act.


12:58 - Madonsela has called the report "Secure in comfort".

Police Minister Nathi Mthethwa, and others, are found to be guilty of improper conduct and maladministration.


12:58 - PP now refers to M&G report last November.


12:57 - The PP has also found that the Nkandla costs might balloon from the current R215m to about R246m.


12:56 - PP says all ministers in Public Works Dept provided incorrect info on legal authority.


12:54 - Cost at the end of project was R246m.


12:53 - Report starts with quote from official involved in the project, says PP.


12:51 - BREAKING: Madonsela has found President Jacob Zuma's conduct was "inconsistent" with the Constitution. She also found that there is a real risk of a repeat of the Nkandla excesses.


12:50 - PP: The allegation that the expenditure constitutes opulence on a grand scale is substantiated.

PP has also called it a swimming pool. Not a firepool.


12:48 - Media involvement essential for an open and transparent state, says PP.


12:47 -  "PP finds that Jacob Zuma should have applied his mind to upgrades and asked questions about them," Alex Eliseevhas tweeted after looking at the report.


12:46 - "Nkandla features Public Protector wants Zuma to cough up for: *swimming pool *cattle kraal *chicken run *amphitheatre *visitors' centre," tweets Phillip de Wet.


12:45 - 



12:44 - Special thanks to the media, says PP.


12:43 - She also thanks everyone who has taken an "interest in the briefing". So that's most South Africans then...


12:42 - Madonsela (PP) starts addressing media. Apologies for the late start, she says. She welcomes all on her team.



12:40 - Spokesperson for protector (PP) welcomes media. Here we go... 


12:36 - Nope, no Madonsela yet...


12:30 - Madonsela should be taking her seat for the briefing any moment now... Seeing lots of tweets saying the report is 400 pages long. Not sure if this is true though it's not unlikely.


12:22 - The public protector's office sure is retweeting a LOT of words of support... 


12:19 - 




12:16 - Reporters have been in lockdown for hours for the briefing set to start at 12:30.

11:59 - Experts say that even if Madonsela found Zuma had misled Parliament, he was likely to get little more than a slap on the wrist as a result of her findings.

They said the Constitution only provided for the removal of the president when they were found incapable of carrying out their duties or found guilty of a criminal offence.

“I don’t think the drafters of the Constitution had envisaged a situation where a president could mislead Parliament, but a case can still be made in that regard,” political analyst Prince Mashele said.



11:58 - What are the powers of the Public Protector and why was the institution created in the first place? Pierre de Vos explains in a Daily Maverick piece.



11:35 - 


Comments
  • Adriaan Pieterse - 2014-03-19 11:41

    Nobody should be counting their chickens before they hatch. I'm sure he'll brush it off and carry on regardless.

      Ted Bug - 2014-03-19 11:44

      Sadly, you are right. In a real democracy, most of the clowns would never made it so far as we see in this circus...

      Eric Moneyvalu - 2014-03-19 12:35

      Then the people should stand together like in Syria to get rid of this Goverment

      PeterTracey - 2014-03-19 14:17

      I’d be happier if Nkandla was just demolished WITH its underground bunkers and fire pools, it’s too much a slap in the face, demolish E-tolls too, and investigate each and every tender ever handed out by these fools, most importantly, JAIL the thieves!

      Eterni80 - 2014-03-19 16:00

      the man has no honor so staying where he is, for him, is business as usual, I'm sure he sees nkandla as something he's owed for the bang up job he's done. during his second term I'm sure he'll give himself more 'rewards' and possibly change the constitution to allow for a third term 7 may cometh, hope the masses pay heed to all the warning signs...

  • Sithubi Eric Thabang-Wonderboy - 2014-03-19 11:41

    MMMMMMM PATIENTLY WAITING TO BE DISSAPOINTED HENCE I DON'T SEE ZUMA BEING IMPLICATED OF ANY WRONGDOING BY THE REPORT...WATCH THE SPACE PS..

      Ted Bug - 2014-03-19 11:58

      I'm sure the witchdoctor will give him some invisible powder that will help make the report disappear. The same stuff they used on your brain...

      Sarel Swanepoel - 2014-03-19 15:20

      Shower head exposed on all news Chanel's CNN, BBC et all. Resign karaoke king resign!!

      Chrono Man - 2014-03-19 15:29

      @Michael, of course, some people are just nasty when it comes to Zuma, including that damn Public Protector and her fabricated report. He does not have the necessary foundation due to his low level of education and now people expect him to know how to act under all circumstances. It's not his fault!

  • Andrew Terr - 2014-03-19 11:46

    I have a strong feeling duel cranium will be known as boodini after this report is released.He will escape punishment as always.

      thuli.mbene - 2014-03-19 11:49

      Hahaha. Duel cranium! Mind if I use that?

  • Lawrence Robert Atkinson - 2014-03-19 11:46

    Sithubi. You will be very disappointed. Zuma and many others will be implicated. The closing of the ranks. . Starts here

  • Xisirhelelo Shiburi - 2014-03-19 11:46

    ANC is going to protect this Zuma... damn ANC i cant even count on this report bcoz i know Zuma is not going down.

  • Yondela Yhowu Valela - 2014-03-19 11:49

    We taxpayers, inter alia, are entitled to access every detail contained in that document/ report. It remains our interest to know exactly where the money taxed from us, meant for public went to. "Die poppie sal dans vandag"

  • James Santam - 2014-03-19 11:52

    Today MUST be the day that the majority of people get final confirmation NOT to vote for the z-ANC...if not then we can flush this country down a Zimbabwean toilet in the next four years.

  • Alu Nef - 2014-03-19 11:53

    Jacob Inkandlayehlekisa Zuma..... please step out

  • Jowi - 2014-03-19 11:54

    lets wait and see , this is Zuma we are talking about is not like some president in Malawi , This report might surprise us.

      Charles Phiri - 2014-03-19 13:08

      Hey, how does malawi come in here?Their President is far much beter than zuma, in education, behaviour ETC.Zuma is NO 1 with his PEAR.

  • Tracy Mabunda - 2014-03-19 11:56

    I just hope the report is not cooked ,,,

  • Julius Mabaleha - 2014-03-19 12:01

    what are the powers of Public Protector vs The corrupt!!!

  • Papanyani Mnandi - 2014-03-19 12:04

    what is important is to find out if they were wasteful expenditures like swimming pool , skhotane kraal

  • Julius Mabaleha - 2014-03-19 12:07

    A cloud of controversy has surrounded the more than 206m for what is described as security uprades....is the truth going to be told through the PP report today, what influence did the corrupt had in trying to cook the report.

  • Dhavandran Palavar - 2014-03-19 12:07

    ali baba and the forty thieves your day has come. ar@#holes.

      Gemima Cricket - 2014-03-19 12:25

      Well said ...but sadly me thinks whilst this is going on he is in some other sneaky corner with his fingers in that cookie jar.

  • Sandile Bulwana - 2014-03-19 12:08

    Myb his cows are drinking 4rm that pool'Zuma cnt swim wit that big head....more

  • Peter Bear Michaels - 2014-03-19 12:11

    Somehow I think JZ is going to survive even this report as with all the bad publicity this guy has brought to the ANC and the cabinet members of the ANC rally their support strongly to JZ as not even Madiba's legacy means a thing? See how he misses the bullets but I hope that SA will vote wisely in the next elections.

  • Hlabiwa Letlhaka - 2014-03-19 12:12

    MOUNT OF ZION IT WILL NEVER SHAKEN

      Galen Grassi - 2014-03-19 12:17

      I would hardly compare that place to Jerusalem. More on par with Sodom and Gamora

      Francy Ferreira - 2014-03-20 16:48

      Tsk tsk... wake up

  • Hlanganani Rikhotso - 2014-03-19 12:15

    Do you really think it is weakness that yields to temptation? I tell you that there are terrible temptations which it requires strength, strength and courage to yield to.

  • Alfy Maleho - 2014-03-19 12:17

    Oh God almighty the creator of both heaven and earth. Exhale to madonsela the spirit of the trueth so that when she stand there to deliver the report about nkandla to tell the findings as they are. Because SA is tired of the robberer. Amen

  • Dimitri Pelser - 2014-03-19 12:18

    I find it hard to understand why one man needs such a large extravagant dwelling to live in where just outside his lavish mansion, his own people starve, freeze and live miserable existences. Its disgusting indeed!! Sis ANC and all you stand for!!

  • Man C'zwe Humphrey Shiba - 2014-03-19 12:18

    each an every year in south africa there is a ship of headlines but this I want to see, which one will sink between Zuma's and Pistorius's

      Gemima Cricket - 2014-03-19 12:22

      Oscar and jacob should be cell buddies together

      Ted Bug - 2014-03-19 12:33

      Gemima, imagine that: OP: "Hey, where are my legs..?" JZ: "I deny any knowledge of them being sold.. "

  • Comrade Peter Gondwe - 2014-03-19 12:18

    A society where wrong doing goes unpunished can never develop!

  • Galen Grassi - 2014-03-19 12:18

    Madonsela’s Nkandla report. Zuma put on his finest shower cap.

  • Bongani Nsele - 2014-03-19 12:20

    Thuli Madonsela is getting unflinching backing from the groot Nat who is now DA former apartheid president de Klerk something is sitting here Zuma this Zuma that we will see Public money has been spent on all the apartheid ex-presidents and they are now all living on the priziest estates in this country how much public money was siphoned by these crooks the Info gate, Baureau of State Security, Financial rand, Home lands financies allocation, Magnus Malan and minerals smuggling all this worth trillions of rand lets expose these things like Tony Einrich is exposing Helen Zille the big thieves are rubbing their hands in glee in their dark holes I will still vote for President Zuma as long as he is not in jail. I believe he has done a lot for this country only fools would argue that

      Galen Grassi - 2014-03-19 12:32

      and you wonder why the poor have no housing, no jobs etc..and your only argument and to substantiate his palace in the sky is because of the old regime or apartheid...its getting old now. "He has done a lot for this country" LOL, yes if you consider driving it into the ground. Mbeki did more for this country in one year than Zuma has.

      Colin Payne - 2014-03-19 12:37

      So Bongani, to summarise, two wrongs make a right? Because there were corrupt officials in the previous administrations it's Ok for today's government to follow the lead? This is not a comparison, it is a statement of fact. No political leader should be allowed to use funds inappropriately and / or illegally, especially when those funds are so dearly needed by the poor of our country to uplift them. This was true then and it is true now, but the problem now is that everyone realises where the corruption is taking place, people were naïve back then, and sadly it's probably too late to do anything. this is here and now and is wrecking a country that could be up there at the top, so please get a life and look beyond the hatred and prejudice you harbour. Look to a better future for all with proper management for all, wherever that may come from.

      Bongani Nsele - 2014-03-19 12:49

      I agree with your sentiments Colyn Payne is Nkandla corruption I think not the paper trail is all there for all to scruitinize why then all this big hulla ballu it is all politics that is why I am not taking as genuine concerns this is why I call it Nkandla claptrap this country has more serious issues

      Galen Grassi - 2014-03-19 13:18

      If to further add to your absurd statement. Why is it the man who lead the ANC, Nelson Mandela, retired to a modest house in Houton?

      Milile Silinga - 2014-03-19 13:48

      @ Bongani. I don't think this is about the money spent on Nkandla. It is about the amount of money spent. It is too much to spend on one person while the millions of people in our country still live in shacks.

      How To - 2014-03-19 15:25

      Would you be free to vote or able to look on the internet if it wasn't for FW. SA had enough arms to fight against Cuban forces, so I doubt the 30-40000000 black South Africans would have been able to defend themselves if the hardcore AWB racists took over power and started extermination. We can all thank FW and Mandela equally and maybe stop spewing poo like you are and get together as a nation.

  • jwmasango - 2014-03-19 12:27

    He will be portrait as clean-obvious it has been cooked!we don't need the report to convince us that Zuma is guilty as charged!

  • Amos Sambo - 2014-03-19 12:28

    Zuma can't be WRONG..I tell u n I cross my fingers...here in SA Position and money talks..wait n see.

      Dee Bone - 2014-03-19 16:49

      Agreed. He'll get away with this too. Half th population wants him to steal more from them.

  • Michael Davies - 2014-03-19 12:30

    hopefully he goes down with the others

  • Collins Oliphant - 2014-03-19 12:31

    good luck Thuli and don't be afraid of anything

  • Lebogang Modukanele - 2014-03-19 12:35

    is this going to be shown on TV and if so which channel? please help.

      Bonga Masondo - 2014-03-19 12:50

      Sabc 2, Sabc News, Ann7 etc

  • Sanda Fresha Mnyazi - 2014-03-19 12:39

    You are underestimating Zuma

  • Momo Ntwae - 2014-03-19 12:42

    This is unacceptable, R206m istoo much for so call renovation

  • Larry Meas - 2014-03-19 12:45

    Lets go and hear!!!! Nice an slow Mrs Madonsela we wanted every detail of elke hoek en draai!!!

  • Johnny Comments - 2014-03-19 12:45

    Nothing will come of this... Sad but true

  • Alan McNab - 2014-03-19 12:48

    We can only hope that the voters in the next election take note of what does not happen when you steal their money . Hopefully it will sway some of them !

  • Mouna Cox - 2014-03-19 12:49

    we already know the content of d report, that YOU, YES YOU ZUMA stole R206 million from us....dats more dan enuf 2 make us demandour money back

  • Charles Venter - 2014-03-19 12:50

    This stream is not working

  • Charles Venter - 2014-03-19 12:50

    This stream is not working!!!

      Thabo Solomon - 2014-03-19 13:38

      Venter Maybe you channel it got some fancy problem of not displaying the Zuma report ,hence i prefer you use your headset or earphone just no to miss the chillie report!

  • Pfarelo Mulaudzi - 2014-03-19 12:52

    You are going down zuma...

  • Thabo Solomon - 2014-03-19 12:52

    Gooday mama Madönsela please be breif and bring on the Zuma report ! I can't wai't ma'm .

  • Lehlohonolo Mohaleamalla - 2014-03-19 12:54

    After you then what you will do then after .

  • Mava Benneriff - 2014-03-19 12:55

    Ngase kungabikho mntu from any political party oyakuba ngaphesheya kule report. Kufane nomzekelo kuMalima uvume ungaxabanisi abantu boMzantsi.

  • Gemima Cricket - 2014-03-19 13:01

    With the Nats I paid for a newspaper now I pay for a kraal a chciken run a swimming pool an amphitheatre a bunker a clinic and more. Wish I had bread to eat today

  • Gemima Cricket - 2014-03-19 13:01

    With the Nats I paid for a newspaper now I pay for a kraal a chciken run a swimming pool an amphitheatre a bunker a clinic and more. Wish I had bread to eat today

  • Redford Saunders - 2014-03-19 13:01

    Let the anc burn, Maybe the fire pool will save em!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PP you are making my year right now

      Maphuti Mothapo - 2014-03-19 13:19

      We should Vote for her to be the next Presidant maybe since she had the guads to release this after it was found out that she will soon be former public protector lol she will actually protect us , This is our Mandela in the making , fear no one

      KayLey-Kamo Kamogelo Seboni - 2014-03-19 13:57

      If ever we wher not a democratic country!...mxm..#as_I_move_4rm_SA :(

  • Thabo Solomon - 2014-03-19 13:01

    Does Zuma know how to swim because i am scared he will drawn, oops if he does than he can compete with Chad le Clos!

  • Fayroza Theron Adams - 2014-03-19 13:06

    so digusting ffsake

  • Ben - 2014-03-19 13:08

    Our president is a corrupt thief and nothing will happen to him. This is South Africa.

  • rechelle - 2014-03-19 13:11

    Thuli for President!

      Makhotso Moloi Karabelo Thobileng - 2014-03-19 13:14

      I wouldn't mind voting for her.

  • samitomelon - 2014-03-19 13:12

    Criminal charge is minimum of 20 years like this ones, you are making my day PPL

  • Kgabo Thabang - 2014-03-19 13:17

    Slap on the wrist