Lawyer, expert at odds in Jub Jub trial

2011-10-12 16:31

Johannesburg - An accident reconstruction expert in the murder trial of Molemo "Jub Jub" Maarohanye and Themba Tshabalala is a mere "traffic cop", the Protea Magistrate's Court heard on Wednesday.

Defence lawyer Ike Motloung questioned the credibility of Renier Balt in his cross-examination, leading to a heated exchange between the two.

"I put it to you, you are a traffic cop," Motloung told Balt.

"I'm not a traffic cop," Balt responded.

"You worked as a traffic cop before," Motloung said.

"A traffic officer," Balt chipped in.

"You worked as a traffic officer and went to Chicago. Now you regard yourself as an expert," said Motloung.

Motloung had been critical of Balt's qualifications in accident reconstruction and at one stage called him a "half-expert".

Maarohanye and Tshabalala face charges of murder, attempted murder and driving under the influence of drugs and alcohol.

They were allegedly drag racing when one of their cars ploughed into a group of children on Mdlalose Road in Protea North, Soweto, on March 8, 2010, killing four boys and injuring two.

He said Balt had made many mistakes in reconstructing the accident.

He told the court that it was fundamentally wrong for Balt to assume that the two Mini Coopers had not collided, when it was evident in court that they had.

He said Balt did not reconstruct the accident, but used information he was given and photographs for his report.

"We all know Mdlalose is a public road. This is not reconstruction. There is nothing expert about this," Motloung said.

Balt, in his report before court, concluded there was no contact between the two Minis, and that the cars were travelling in a single file at the time of the accident.

The trial continues.

  • BoerinBeton - 2011-10-12 16:37

    They were drugged and drunk and children died because of their actions. GUILTY end of story stop with bashing the experts and convict the bastards!!!!!

      SirVic - 2011-10-12 16:41

      I could not have said it better!

      Jamie - 2011-10-12 16:55

      That's what should happen, but the law doesn't work like that. The defence lawyers make their money getting criminals off. The prosecuting lawyers are paid win or lose.

      cliffarc - 2011-10-12 17:04

      - Typical criminal lawyer defence strategy. When your client is as guilty as hell, never let the undeniable facts get in the way of the truth. The so called principle of innocent until proven guilty is one thing , but this drunken murderer simply has no defence.

  • DeonL - 2011-10-12 16:40

    Stop wasting time on trivial things and finish.

  • Innocence - 2011-10-12 16:41

    it doesnt matter if the cars did not crash to each other, the fact is the cars hit the children. What kind of a stupid is this motloung?

      cliffarc - 2011-10-12 17:13

      - He's a typical lawyer, trying to justify his exhorbitant fees.

  • tokoloshe - 2011-10-12 16:45


  • Noc - 2011-10-12 16:49

    What do you throw at a drowning lawyer? ...a brick.

      basie.pretorius - 2011-10-12 17:07

      They are so bloated about themselves he will probably float, what about a ships anchor

  • Rodolfo - 2011-10-12 16:50

    Lives were lost Mr Lawyer, is it necessary to start tracing the educational track of the expert? What is an expert according to you Mr Lawyer? Can you define the term expert Sir.

      Duncan - 2011-10-12 17:08

      The way Mr Lawyer is carrying on, Mr Lawyer is also an expert on traffic accidents. Where the real expert uses his experience with accidents and provides evidence, the lawyer discredits the expert with counter claims which have no supporting evidence other than his word. Typical of a lawyer. His LLB makes him an expert in every possible field of expertise.

  • JG - 2011-10-12 16:51

    They need to pay for killing these children! They were racing wrecklessly down the road totally disregarding the onlookers safety. They deserve to rot in jail!

  • SirVic - 2011-10-12 16:54

    This lawyer is a good!

      Atholl - 2011-10-12 18:53

      All Lawyers make a living ... .. .......... out of lies When (s)he eats dinner .... this is what (s)he thinks: ... the peas on my plate, one lie for each. .. the banana on my plate, one slender lie. ... the grapes on my plate, a handful of lies. .. the meat on my plate, one slaughtered lie. :-) ,,,,, then (s)he has seconds ;-) The problem is not only the lies, or the stolen supper ... ..... the problem is .... the greed ... it's the evil greed that bites. not all traffic cops/officers make a living out of lies.

  • Koko - 2011-10-12 16:59

    I guess because he is white he can be regarded as an expert...

      Rinus Eckard - 2011-10-12 17:03

      @Koko. Why did you just turn this into a race issue? It were AFRICAN boys killed by AFRICANS. What would you like to see happen here?

      Duncan - 2011-10-12 17:09

      And I guess since the lawyer is black, he is always right.

      Process - 2011-10-12 18:21

      Ok KOKO the clown if you have his qualifications give them to us ,unlike the "lawyer" the expert went to the States for specialised training to get credible qualifications accepted world wide,whether he is white or black is not the point here the man is way more qualified than what the "lawyer" is.Do you know the "lawyer" personally because I know the EXPERT personally I can guarantee you he has more credibility than the "lawyer".This is a case of blatant murder not a political issue

      Yar - 2011-10-12 22:12

      Koko You got that one right.

  • Dan - 2011-10-12 17:11

    Mr. Ike Motloung, you are a scum sucking lawyer. So who gives you the right to judge anyone's expertise. Isn't it true that you and your profession lie,collude and discredit fact for money? Isn't that the extent of your scum sucking profession?

  • Woofix - 2011-10-12 17:12

    Stop the technical floppen jargon. wasting time money and our patience!!!

  • Lightdancer - 2011-10-12 17:14

    For goodness sake...'children died...families were torn apart...lives destroyed'... the system must not fail innocent lives again... hope he does receive just punishment for this 'crime'!!!!

  • george60 - 2011-10-12 17:15

    This clever man of justice, regardless who was leading the race, both drivers were intoxcicated and killed people. Bear in mind the boss of the land alias Zuma says you are innocence until found guilty by the ANC?

      sikhanyiso - 2011-10-12 17:58

      @george60 where does the ANC & JZ fit into this case? Please try not to ruin the rest of your comment...please

  • GuyverXT9 - 2011-10-12 17:17

    Don't worry. If the nobody known as Jub Jub goes free, mob justice will take care of him and his corrupt lawyer.

  • Howard - 2011-10-12 17:23

    What does everyone expect? A simple "find my client guilty of murder without a fight"? Come on, let's get realistic here. If the State had only stuck to a culpable homicide charge as they should have, there would be no such arguments. Trying to sensationalise this by charging them with murder is exactly what is causing the nonsense to continue. It is a waste of court time and money. Did the car hit the children? Yes. Did it kill them? Yes. Was Maarohanye (Jub Jub) driving that car. Yes. Was he drag racing with Tshabalala on a public road? Yes. Guilty of culpable homicide! Now let's get to the sentencing please. Sentence Jub Jub and his mate to two (or more) years crossing guard duty at the school and make them face the people they have irreparably harmed!

      Mr-Anderson - 2011-10-12 17:34

      Like the way you think Howard mate really they have been wasting our money going up and down on this case whereas the guys are just guilty of culpable homice,they were acting crazy and people died get it over and done with now.I say 10 years serve 2 and suspend the rest of the years and driving license.

  • dithala - 2011-10-12 17:26

    Chuck him back to the farm were he trained to be a half expert. bloody farmers.These are the craps that delays our justice system. The other half specialist was cross questioned at terribleblanche's case. bloody idiots.

  • OZNOB - 2011-10-12 17:29

    wether or not the minis collided is irelevant to the fact that 4 children were run over by those people on a race from hell down a public road they are as guilty as sin they should do the time as well as this idiot lawyer

  • Billy - 2011-10-12 17:33

    Ike is doing his job. The unfortunate reality is that it is the prosecution's job to present a strong case to the court. The fact that Ike is able to attack the witness and his evidence like he is, means that the State is failing in its duty to present a good case.

      Farmbyzee - 2011-10-12 19:02

      Thanks Billy for reasoning, It is our duty as a nation to protect children and hence what had happened is not acceptable. But the trut of the matter is the state prosecutor has not presented a strong case so far, and state witnesses are not convincing. A good Lawyer will definately punch holes and twist the truth to his advantage. Lawyers are paid to protect their clients guilty or not guilty. In SA you are deemed innocent until proven beyond reasonable doubt by the court of law.

  • diewitbaas - 2011-10-12 18:11

    And this zot "lawyer" is not worth the piece of paper after it went through my ass

  • evette.fransman - 2011-10-13 08:08

    if that were you an i normal people, drunk on drugs and speeding, and happend to kill 4 people in the process , we would have been in jail a long time ago aleady this is going on year now, WTF, send the F@ckers to jail already

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