Little faith in education system - survey

2011-01-20 11:45

Johannesburg - As children over the country return school this month, a recent survey has indicated that over a third of metropolitan adults feel the quality of education is poor.

"The results of this study suggest that there is relatively little confidence in the education system... This does not augur well for people seeking employment," Neil Higgs, director of innovation and development at TNS Research Surveys said on Thursday.

The study was conducted in mid-2010 and looked at perceptions of primary and secondary education. It polled 2 000 adults – 1 260 blacks, 385 whites, 240 coloureds and 115 Indians - from the seven major metropolitan areas.

"[They were] interviewed face-to-face in their homes, with a margin of error of under 2.5%," he said.

Primary school level

"Whilst the matric pass rate amongst full-time learners rose, it is generally agreed that the foundations begin at primary school level."

With this in mind, people were asked to agree or disagree with two questions: "The quality of primary education in South Africa is good" and "The quality of secondary education in South Africa is good".

Higgs said it was found younger people were more positive in their responses.

"There is little variation in the results for those having children at home compared with those who do not."

Amongst the black language groups, those whose home language was Sotho were more positive about primary education, whilst Zulus were more positive about secondary education.

Regarding areas, Gauteng was more positive about education quality than Cape Town, Durban and the Eastern Cape.

  • Melly30 - 2011-01-20 11:57

    Of Course it is POOR... What can you say... All the top teachers have left the country to teach overseas - you have non qualified teachers who know as much as the kids teaching! Really! And yet nothing will get done!!!

      Thembisile - 2011-01-20 12:25

      And teachers at public schools take their kids to private schools.

      Jou Mal Emmer - 2011-01-20 12:29

      Ekshwally, I did veery veery well in woodwek. But never mind look how far I gawt in life! I jus dawn understend thees tweeter. Can someone eckplen it to me? I theenk peepawl are meking fun of me.

      Howzitekse - 2011-01-20 13:43

      Not sure what the education system is like today, as I am 57. It was rubbish in my day. A lot of religion and the groot trek. Bullshit. I did Maths and science subjects, but was shocked when the Zimbabwe kids at university were way ahead of the SA kids then - 1970s.

      stephanjvv - 2011-01-20 14:53

      Doing something about it would need some money. The money needed however is already spent on nice cars, hotels, parties, clothes etc etc.

      Wonderboy - 2011-01-20 19:55

      The European Union has just donated R1.2 billion for primary education.

  • attiebabu - 2011-01-20 12:02

    and the racist comments follows

      Mike Webber - 2011-01-20 12:23

      So does criticizing YOUR ANC's governing 'ability' make people racists? Shame, shame. Please go read what the word means. Education and 'system' as far as the ANC goes, should never be used in the same sentence ...

  • Contrarian - 2011-01-20 12:04

    Education ! What education!!

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-01-20 12:09

    I have absolutely no problem with the Education kids do not attend dysfunctional schools. The Co-operation Triangle (the learner, the parent, the teacher) works.

  • tatsss - 2011-01-20 12:11

    1. Our Edu System is too lax on its Discipline-our kids go to school drunk,so much drugs in schools,our teachers are too lazy (or incompetent) to be too effective...-we need to improve on our discipline,our kids and teachers need to know and understand the value of going to school and its advantages provided you work hard and get good grades,that only hard work will result in a pass mark (as opposed to some dodgy manipulation of exam marks just so the gvt of the day can sleep easy knowing they gave the masses what they want to hear).Our Universities MUST never accept Matriculants who dont meet the required entrance marks-they could even raise them to somewahat force matric students to really study harder-In Zimbabwe (which is/was a model in Southern Africa Education),a High School Graduate with 3 As' is not guaranteed a place for a varsity programe of their 1st choice). 2. I think we need to do away with the Matric system-ITS NOT WORKING!We need something similar to the Advanced levels like they have in Zimbabwe(sorry for the constant ref to Zim-they deserve the credit here)Zimbabwean A Level Graduands breeze thru 1st year Vasity as is the same as the final year of High School there & once they pass the 1st year,the rest becomes relatively easier.If we continue with this Matric system we will continue to produce half-baked 1st year students who will find their 1st year too hard,give up and next thing is they are in your backyard at 12am with a 9mm in their hands.

  • - 2011-01-20 12:23

    I do a lot business up Africa and considering countries like Gabon / Cameroun and so on they have LITTLE or NO infrastructure. YET I deal with competent people. I cannot explain this nor understand how. They have a worse history as compared to ours. Not saying they are a model to work towards. Yet how do they obtain any level of literacy given what they have as infrastructure. Something terribly wrong somewhere.

      Mike Webber - 2011-01-20 12:27

      We all know it David. The masses and those 'ruling' don't want to face the truth though. They look outwardly to identify their problems, instead of looking inwardly ...

      allie - 2011-01-20 12:34

      Only one reason:the quality of people here.

      advurt - 2011-01-20 12:39

      It is very simple - by keeping the masses un-educated it will mean a constant re-election for the idiots in government. This is not new - happened all through history and the ANC bunch knows it - a well educated middle-class will mean the end of their idiotic and incompetent rule!

      Beverley - 2011-01-20 13:21

      @ david - i must agree with you on that. I have traveled through central east africa for the last 8 years and i find the countries to be poor - but the education levels are above standard and people are intelligent and educated - especially in Zim, Malawi and Zambia - and these are very poor countries.

      pinkalert - 2011-01-20 21:09

      @advurt - You hit the nail on the head, you are so right. - 2011-01-21 12:04

      @ Beverley.I agree. The other day i met up with a customer at his house he is involved with Zim and food distribution for his company. He has a Zim gardener and this gardener is a fully qualified Chartered Accountant. Who is now busy writing a book as we speak about what his life in Zimbabwe was like. It is insane how intelligent this guy is and he now works in a garden. Good luck finding someone like that from SA.

  • Pleb - 2011-01-20 12:35

    Tell us something that is new - that bhengu thing under mandela was the start of the decline but then again what can you expect ?

  • peter - 2011-01-20 12:42

    I'm with the ANCYL , I dont need an education.

      Mike Webber - 2011-01-20 12:55

      BAWAHAHAHA. Enough said ...

      Melly30 - 2011-01-20 13:06

      Sleep with one eye open ek se!!! :)

      Jou Mal Emmer - 2011-01-20 13:06

      You got that right, just look at your dumbass leader! - 2011-01-20 14:11

      So funny cuz its true VIVA malema mampara

      Lu - 2011-02-10 13:42

      how sad - the uneducated are easier to govern. Wake up!!

  • gboonge - 2011-01-20 12:47

    Somewhat ironic that an article highlighting the education standards in the country makes a basic grammatical error in the first paragraph... "Johannesburg - As children over the country return school this month..." - 2011-01-20 12:56

      That's what you can expect when Matric marks are adjusted in order to increase the pass rate. It's a bit like printing more money to make your country rich. It doesn't work.

      HadEnuf - 2011-01-20 13:14

      Well done to News24 - nobody even bothered to read the article before posting it.

  • Chewbacca - 2011-01-20 12:53

    The education level was dropped to allow blacks to pass. This is not racism, it's a fact.

      Melly30 - 2011-01-20 13:07

      It is true!!

      barry.mcbride - 2011-01-20 13:56

      It is racist if one is stereotyping an entire group of people in a negative way, and discerning fact from opinion is often difficult.

      Musa Ngubane - 2011-01-20 14:27

      You are a racist and don't deserve to be a South African. You aspire for the old days when whites had superior education at the expense of blacks. Your fact is wrong. We people who are involved in the education system know better. The current administration is working hard to improve education especially in lower grades. Remember, whites still have privileges to learn in Afrikaans and English which are their languages. What about poor African learners. We are not sorry for liberating our country from minority rule.

      Fhatuwani - 2011-01-20 14:49

      You might be one of the spoiled racial group in SA-Afrikaaner. The university of pretoria and stellebosch have awarded masters degree to afrikaaner graduates who cannot even compile a well researched document in English. So you think you are intelligent. You are just a coward hiding behind the computer screen and i believe you don't have the guts to say it face to face. It is rather useless to be bothered with stupid comments like yours and i feel pity for a moron like you. let me advice you that hatred towards blacks will damage you more than blacks themselves because they don't give a shit about a pig like you. - 2011-01-21 11:57

      To the posters in here crying about learning in their home language. Why has government failed you on this issue? Try learning Science in Tswana. I would love to see how the grades would come out. Yes English is my language. But it is only 2nd Spanish in terms of spoken languages, as it is spoken worldwide. Nothing to do with apartheid bla bla bla. So please let go of that security blanket. This is not racist issue it is hard fact. And not only was the lvl of standard dropped for blacks, their white children failing as well. And they learn in in English / Afrikaans.

  • Venus1978 - 2011-01-20 13:01

    Definitely....just seeing the spelling errors in comments lately is proof of this!

      Melly30 - 2011-01-20 13:08

      Speak for yourself!! :) I tihnk peolpe aer tpying ot fsat!!!

  • trevor.buikies - 2011-01-20 13:03

    It is all too often that we begin to slag our own country on the basis of incomplete information and sensationlism from the media. Has anyone taken the trouble to look at the questions that the public were asked in this survey? How much depth is there in these questions to make the results conclusive? So this is what we perceive is the problem. What's the solution? Come on guys. Its time to build. This is a great country...not perfect, but great nevertheless. Try reading the Long Walk to Freedom again. It helps us to keep perspective. Nodoby said freedom spells perfect order. It takes hardwork and unwavering commitment. It only cost Nelson Mandela 27 prime years of his life. What legacy will you leave for the children of this nation to aspire to.

      CharlSkeptic - 2011-01-20 13:19

      Oh, rubbish. The errors/shortcomings in the education system (in its totality) are pointed out regularly, but the powers that be ignore the warnings. people have been trying to build since 1994, it's not just started now. The idea behind the article is to report on the result of a poll taken, so the article is anything but sensationalist. One more thing - in this country, if we dont annoy the government enough, they will never change their ways. FFS, it doesnt even help to cry murder...

  • Tasmee - 2011-01-20 13:41

    Trevor, how much more should the ordinary tax paying citizens of this country do. As it is, we support a vast percantage of an uneducated majority! The only other thing we can do as far as education is concerned is send our children to upmarket, expensive private schools, thus increasing the gap even further between the levels of public school and private school passes! Yes, we all share in a vision, but not at the cost of our childrens education!! I am one of those fortunate enough to send both my children to private school at a phenomenal cost, I will not change that!! And I am sick and tired of the amount of giving that we have to do while the powers that be live a life of abundance and bling!! - 2011-01-21 11:51

      So the poll is decided on this post. I agree 100%. My children will go to private school if not abroad. Education is the tools needed to be acquired in order to add value to any market / industry or Country.

  • Wow! - 2011-01-20 13:50

    Yep - it is recognized in all the surveys that our standards are not up that of other African countries. The present government should never have tried to implement the untried "outcomes" based system. Also the dearth of capable teachers - a result of the Protest Politcs of the 80/90's has come back to bite us. You can not extract from the teacher, what they never had put into them in the first place. The result poor teaching, lack of discipline AND serious consequences for the country.

  • Snoopy88 - 2011-01-20 13:51

    Of course young people are going to be positive... They have nothing to compare it to!

  • Snoopy88 - 2011-01-20 13:57

    I think more pressure should be put on private schools to provide bursaries for gifted but underprivileged learners. When I was looking into my children's schooling this was high up on my list of considerations. Those with the means should be doing everything in their power to give back. There should also be more partnership between private schools and public schools, sharing of resources, etc. I do not want my children to grow up in an ivory tower with little understanding and compassion for the life experiences of others. The divide between the poor and the rich is only getting wider. The answer is not to pull the private schools down to the mediocrity (and failure) of the public school system but to do everything we can to improve the level of education on offer. The unions are too blame for a great deal of this trouble because they will not allow public schools to pay highly sought after teachers in Maths and Science, or those who get results, a bit extra in order to keep them. And this is even when the parents have specifically gathered and agreed to pay towards the salary increase for the benefit of their children! If every child in your class is failing then you should not be keeping your job because you are clearly not doing it! Far too many teachers in the public system are 'doing' the job because its a salary and not because its a calling. And those who are dedicated are not seeing any reward for their hard work. Even salaries in private schools are a joke!

      nasheenar - 2011-01-20 15:09

      Hey Snoops what shit you smoking there???????????????? Give what back? do we not give enough? Why dont you ask the government to give back instead of eating and shitting the money at the luncheaons and parties. I did'nt see you mention that in your comment. Always wait for a hand out hey its the SA Way. Let someone else pick up the tab. Why have children if you cant feed, clothe and educate them. What have you done to contribute to the upliftment of the poor children.Your answer seems to be take from the "Rich" and give to the poor. Do you know how many people cant afford to send their kids to private, but do and how many sacrifice in their homes for these children to get a proper education. I think you should seriously reconsider your thoughts. Everything in this country is about shraing rescourses. Why not ask Mr Juliaaas Malema to assist you with sharing rescourses.Maybe he will sell his expesive watch for you and your kids.

  • sheylen - 2011-01-20 14:05

    My children are attending an excellent government school. I am very happy with the education that they receive, thanks.

  • Macho Mike - 2011-01-20 14:09

    Eish, hardly surprising when the pass mark is lowered to 30%.

  • madrynn - 2011-01-20 14:11

    just my 2cents... I think that government should consider dropping the national health act and pumping the planned money into the education system... tripple teacher salaries... even if you doubt the current teachers, this move will create a market for teachers and quality WILL go up... plus in ten/twenty years, the people will be able to doctor themselves, no cuban imports xD. The only shortfall of this is a support structure for the kids at home, which is also very important...

  • fatpas - 2011-01-20 14:11

    It's ludicrous to think that anybody with half a brain would have faith in this education systen especially with it's 30% pass mark for matric and a standard that is about the same as what std 6 was 40 years ago

      barry.mcbride - 2011-01-20 14:51

      Talk about a statement combining contradictory terms! It would only be ludicrous if someone with a full brain felt that way!

  • - 2011-01-20 14:13

    What are they to do? If they dont pass them then they start throwing stones and burning down schools. Must be apartheid fault again

  • Fhatuwani - 2011-01-20 14:38

    Stop blaming others for your problems. If you know that the education system is so poor what are you doing about it. The government does not procreate babies, you do. It shows that you are irresponsible parent if you cannot partake in the education of your child. You should know and make it your task to know what the school is teaching your child. A good foundation of education starts and ends at home. There are miserable people on this comment column who take out their frustrations by lambasting the government. How predictable you are, I wish we had you during apartheid, the education system would have been 100%.

      pinkalert - 2011-01-20 21:20

      When we had children, we thought the government was going to improve the education, as this is what they promised there people - from birth to school is 7 years, alot has changed in the 7 years and sorry to burst your bubble, but the educations system has gone backwards!!!! Think before you write - and by the way, this has nothing to do with black or white, rich or pure, it has to do with a government that is NOT filling its obligation!!!

  • Tasmee - 2011-01-20 14:48

    @Snoopy 88, I think it is a very unfair statement to make that more pressure should be made on private schools! Private schools are just that....they are private and finded by the parents that PAY the school fees to pay the teachers, maintain the school, constantly train and upgrade the skills of the teachers, they have a board of governors that must be paid, premises and facilities that require maintenance and upgrading, sporting equipment, and the list goes on. Why should the fees I pay for my children be used to fund someone else? I pay tax anyway to provide for someone else to benefit off!!!

  • juliet - 2011-01-20 17:27

    @Mal Emmer...Ekshwali, all gowd very fyn until dat English paper by de reactionary teashar who asked de pastense for "think". I thought and thought and thought, very hard..I finally wrote "thunk"

  • juliet - 2011-01-20 17:31

    @Mal Emmer...Ekshwali, all gowd very fyn until dat English paper by de reactionary teashar who asked de pastense for "think". I thought and thought and thought, very hard..I finally wrote "thunk"..Ahemmm

  • juliet - 2011-01-20 17:37

    @Howzit education in Zim is no play business. I'm told even nuns are degree qualified and it's no joke.

  • juliet - 2011-01-20 17:37

    @Mal Emmer...Ekshwali, all gowd very fyn until dat English paper by de reactionary teashar who asked de pastense for "think". I thought and thought and thought, very hard..I finally wrote "thunk"

  • juliet - 2011-01-20 17:57

    @Musa Ngubane- While you are still at it, please go visit those schools that conduct separate Afrikaans classes (modified segregation), which usually offer Science subjects while english classes common to black children offer history-hulle,with not so keen teachers even if their teachers are white. Results are chalk and cheese! Even black "Afrikaans speaking" children perform well because there's good teaching going on in those afrikaans medium of instruction classes.As you say you are in the educ system you should know abt this.

  • trevor.buikies - 2011-01-20 20:02

    Is there a perfect government anywhere in the world? The shortcomings are clear...we all recognise the inconsistencies. Chances are it will take a while to correct. I'm not sure if annoying the government is the only thing that helps while countless kids still remain ill prepared for life. You cannot keep sending the abused back to the abuser. What do I do in the face of injustice that is concrete and constructive, while I address the inequality. Its easy to point at the problem and focus blame. Its another thing to rescue the innocent.

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