Lonmin protesters admonished about food aid

2012-09-11 13:16

Rustenburg - Striking Lonmin mineworkers were admonished on Tuesday for fighting about food aid being provided by the humanitarian organisation, Gift of the Givers.

"Workers, let us not allow food donations to make us lose our battle of R12 500. We appreciate donations, but the commotion I saw yesterday [Monday] was disappointing," said one of the striking workers' leaders, Goodwell Jozane.

He was addressing mineworkers gathered in an open space near the Wonderkop hill, where 34 people died when police opened fire on them last month.

Over a public address system, he asked the aggrieved workers to queue in batches of 40 at a time to avoid commotion when the aid trucks arrived.

"Yesterday, we couldn’t even address you after [getting] food because of what you were doing," Jozane said.

Gift of the Givers trucks were expected in the area in the afternoon.

The striking Lonmin mineworkers flocked to the open space in Marikana from all directions on Tuesday morning for another day of protest in demand of a R12 500 monthly wage.

Wielding golf clubs

Some wielded pangas, arrows, sickles, knobkerries and golf clubs. They used umbrellas to shield themselves from the scorching Rustenburg sun.

Media crews, many of them international, had set up camp there and observed the crowd.

Jozane told the protesters to wait for more mineworkers, who were arriving from distant places for the day's proceedings.

There were women in the group on Tuesday.

Armed police could be seen in the area, with four police Nyalas parked at the entrance to a shaft at the nearby Karee mine.

On Monday, protesters with knobkerries, pangas and spears marched from mineshaft to mineshaft, calling for the closure of all operations.

They also tried to rope in non-striking workers from the mineshafts and the mine hostels.

They then went to an open space near the hostels, from where Lonmin buses later took them to a place where the Gift of the Givers was handing out aid.

  • Cool2BeBlue - 2012-09-11 13:24

    Boycott Gift of the Givers and all affiliated charities. If they are feeding them, then they are also feeding their rage and hate.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-11 13:26

      My thoughts exactly - why the F are they involved? These strikers are not a charity!

      Squeegee - 2012-09-11 13:27

      Bad call by Gift of the Givers. They have basically chosen sides. Is this to gain future financial support from connected ANC members?

      stfrancisbay - 2012-09-11 13:31

      The dude in the picture is protesting with an animal skull, things are getting serious now

      nardus.debeer - 2012-09-11 13:32

      @cool2beblue : I agree 100%. If Gift of the Givers stops giving aid to them they would have no choice but to return back to work and earn their salaries.

      ReneMuller.XOXO - 2012-09-11 13:33

      banele, "Gift of the Givers" donations must be applied to the needy, impoverished, HIV babies etc. Not to these bloody greedy bunch who are in a 'self inflicted' situation. GotG you have just screwed yourself - never come calling or knocking.

      UNITY - 2012-09-11 13:37

      This strike is politically instigated.. Gift of the givers have burnt their hands by meddling in politics, and unifying in the lack of respect for the labor laws and legislation of this country.this is mere politically motivated greed to drive foreign investment out of this country!!! The telling of leadership in this country is on a brink of collapse!!

      procold2 - 2012-09-11 13:42

      will not donate a thing to gift of the givers, donations are meant for people that are stranded, get back to work and you wont need food aid, SA is great lets strike some chop will feed us and keep us going, idiots i would let them starve

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-11 14:33

      msendi - the unions charge members a monthly fee right? The UNIONS should then feed their striking members, NOT A CHARITY. These miners are not a charitable cause, they CHOSE to strike, and therefore cannot afford to buy food - that is a CONSEQUENCE OF THEIR CHOICE. They still have the cheek to try stop other miners from doing their work so they can feed their families. Your priorities are screwed up chop.

      stirrer.stirrer - 2012-09-11 14:38

      @Kevin - Noooo!!!! I am the Stirrer! And no ways I'm fatboy Juju!!!

  • george.herman.5458 - 2012-09-11 13:25

    I used to support and donate to Gift of the Givers. After what I read here they will get nothing from me in future.

  • michael.vanrheenen.9 - 2012-09-11 13:25

    You will NEVER get R12500!!! It's a ridiculous demand! Just imagine that you do get it... Do you know what will happen? All the miners will start protesting and demand the same thing... More shootings and killings will take place! Go back to work you lazy ass b%tches!!!

      nardus.debeer - 2012-09-11 13:35

      @Michael : I could not have said it better myself.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-11 13:53

      Black Diamond ~ They should've thought of that when they were burning down their schools and protesting, don't you think?

      mofstok - 2012-09-11 13:54

      Hmmm, you seem like one to talk "BEE Diamond"? Besides, cost-to-company they earn nearly R11000 as it is. How about a pharmacist that only earns R7000 per month? Does that sound fair? Pshaw! Enjoy the rest of your life.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-11 13:57

      Blackdiamond - I read that rock drillers get anywhere from R10k to R16k a month. The R4k earners are probably doing less dangerous work.

      michael.vanrheenen.9 - 2012-09-11 13:58

      @ Black B.E.E Diamond - They don't pay housing, water, electricity etc... SO do you want to tell me that you need more than R4000 for food? They live right next door to the mine so they don't even need to spend money on travelling either. So what exactly is your f%&king point? GFY! All bigot like you want is just free stuff! Go and work for it for a change like I am doing and stop wanting more and more and more for free! SA owes you nothing! Apartheid is LONG gone and you babies need to stand on your own 2 feet for a change!

      James - 2012-09-11 14:01

      @ Black diamond - He doesn't have to, because he went to school, probably studied something thereafter. So uneducated people that drill rocks should earn R 12 500 per month? What about people working tills at checkers? Them too? So next all uneducated people should be earning R 12 500? OK, just be careful you don't get what you wish for. You're going to be paying R 300 for a loaf of bread because those salaries have to come from somewhere don't they? Fool.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-11 14:05

      BlackDiamond ~ A handful? That's no handful that's being shown on TV! Maybe if there wasn't so much breeding going on the R4k would also go a lot further. Maybe if they weren't continually striking and making unrealistic demands, there might be more investment in SA and therefore more jobs so support for the 'extended' family wouldn't be necessary. Ever think of that one?

      michael.vanrheenen.9 - 2012-09-11 14:11

      @ Black B.E.E Diamond - I should say R4000 is over enough to cover all those expenses... You don't need to buy school clothes every month nor clothes for that matter. Parafine should last long and is not expensive. If you buy wisely, R2000 should be over enough to support a family of 4 for the month. And I am sorry, but leisure is a privelage. I with a job in the professional technical field can't even afford leisure. And I live alone!!!

      michael.vanrheenen.9 - 2012-09-11 14:14

      @ Black B.E.E Diamond - Times have changed! The ANC has f%&cked up this economy so bad, the poor working class will NEVER be able to afford luxury items... This idea that the ANC has put into the black communities heads about being economically free after apartheid is gone is absolute BS! We are all worst off now than ever before! This fairy tale dream that the ANC promised the blacks will never happen unless you own your own business or are a manager of a huge firm. The rest of the working class (including me (who has it even worst off with BEE/AA)) will just have to be content with a below middle to poor life!

      alan.gernet - 2012-09-11 14:15

      @BEE . fact is that R4000 is better than Rzero. Nobody forces these people to work for Lonmin. The problem with trying to feed their 'extended families' is that the families are so large. Why is it that when First World countries are controlling and diminishing birth rates, 3rd World Banana Republics are running amok with birthrates?? How can you (esp. in a 3rd world country) expect the Govt. or anybody else to be able to feed, educate and employ excessive populations? Whilst I feel deeply for all people that struggle, the first step is to control your expenses by not having more kids than you can afford. Too many kids just condemns them to a life of poverty and misery. If the SA market is not competetive, there will be no demand for the products. Unskilled labour is in abundance, yet it is spiralling out of control with costs, placing more pressure on companies to stay afloat. Once we overdo the costs, the companies must close, never to re-open. So in essence - although conditions are indeed harsh, there are millions of people that would be happy to do those miners jobs. Govt needs to educate people to have the mentality that PRODUCTIVITY is the ONLY way forward. At the rate the world is developing now, it is predicted that unskilled labour wil be virtually redundant within the next 20 years. It's time to think ahead with our heads!!! We are part of the world, and Africa is being left behind. No education and no productivity = no future.

      michael.vanrheenen.9 - 2012-09-11 14:20

      @ @ Black B.E.E Diamond - Absolutely! It's not about colour! It's about unrealistic demands... How can you expect uneducated workers across the board to be paid R12500 p/m? Then everyone could just give up studying and go mine... I studied further and I don't even earn 2/3rds of that! It's madness! How would the mine even make a profit to be able to sustain the themselves so that they can ensure the job security of these miners? The strikers are not thinking further than their noses!

      sean.carbutt - 2012-09-11 14:21

      @black.b.e.e.diamond, perhaps they should stop screwing like rabbits then? Did you ever stop to think that the very issues you are bitching about are not the mines issues, but self inflcited issues? If you want to have children, then make sure that you can afford them. The only things on your list that hold any credibility are food, water and parfine. You also forget that a good deal of these miners have garnishing orders on their salaries. These are for bad b=debts and or non payment of debts, so again, self inflicted. Lastly, the mines will never give in to these demands, never.

      mantothieve.missingman - 2012-09-11 14:57

      @Black B.E.E Diamond -You know that in 20 years tha anc could have educated all their supporters up to a very high level. Honestly you dont need a degree to be a rock driller. But that would mean there would be less money for your masters to steal. You get what you vote for you will stil learn that ion africa

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-09-11 14:58

      My late father was a genius. I can remember him saying way back in the 70's when I was just a kid, that one day the blacks will take over this country and they are going to FK it up real good, and it's gonna start with the mines.

      mantothieve.missingman - 2012-09-11 14:59

      @ Did the anc not promiss their voters all those things for free ?

      joe.mac.31521301 - 2012-09-11 15:08

      @sean.carbutt – You are spot on about the irresponsible breeding part. Trying to get some of these people to understand that is a different challenge all together. When people dare bring up that simple truth they are called racists. They are their own worst enemies. What is happening in this country can be compared to a cancer. The cells divide uncontrollably until it kills the host. The ANC and its allies have created a monster and soon this monster will turn on them and then on itself. With freedom comes responsibility, they will learn this the hard way. The proof is up north; look at the vast majority of Africa. Life’s golden rule is balance, you either play by that rule or you will fail and be brought into compliance even if this is done forcibly.

  • long.tom.509 - 2012-09-11 13:25

    Should become a police tactic,truck in a load of food,and strikers disperse with a full loss of life,jubu and his crew will be happy,ama free luch,no problem,such simple solutions when dealing with simple people.

  • richard.sloman.5 - 2012-09-11 13:26

    They will be demanding Kentucky soon too...

      ally.oh.7 - 2012-09-11 13:59

      Hey Slowboat, you don't expect them to drop their standards, do you?

      mashikwane.sempane - 2012-09-11 14:07

      Very funny ha ha !! Put ur selve in their shoes..u people r just selfish iam not suprised..NXA

      juan.prinsloo.750 - 2012-09-11 14:27

      And some bullet proof muti

  • drexel.drexel.7 - 2012-09-11 13:26

    Queue my ass, what do they know about queues????????

  • had.enuf.1 - 2012-09-11 13:28

    Don't show your true colours now and squabble over donations.

  • bullardx - 2012-09-11 13:28

    Then starve you ungratefull animalz

  • frankflower - 2012-09-11 13:28

    News24! Once again, what are 'knobkerries'? What? Please get it right! Genugtig, wie is die d00s wat dit in elke berig sover verkeerd spel?

  • mofstok - 2012-09-11 13:29

    F**k these people. Don't want to work. Don't want to queue for food. Demand! Demand! Demand! I have to work for a living to pay for things I want. Screw you people!

  • shirley.steenkamp - 2012-09-11 13:30

    Thugs being fed on kindness of others!

  • Hemlock - 2012-09-11 13:30

    Ridiculous.....why feed them? If they want to strike and not earn money then let them get on with it. I will certainly never give a donation to Gift of the Givers.... Lets see how long they continue to strike on empty bellies!

  • jayneenv - 2012-09-11 13:37

    If they get R12 500 they will need to pay PAYE even more money to be stollen by top officials. They are demanding double their salaries so retrench half the staff then the remaining workers can do double the work for double their pay.

      ally.oh.7 - 2012-09-11 14:03

      Simple mathematics; excellent idea. Now you go and tell the rabble what your plan is.

  • denis.dendrinos - 2012-09-11 13:37

    Bwahahahahahahaha......... of course they "streamed in from all directions" and "there were woman in the crowd" - there is free food being handed out while we demand ludicrous wages!

  • Hemlock - 2012-09-11 13:38

    Gift of the should be putting the donations you receive to good use by feeding street children, homeless families, people who are in desperate need to a meal and who will be so grateful for a full tummy. Instead you are wasting valuable donations on feeding these thugs. I am sooooooooooooo disgusted!

  • winifred.watson.9 - 2012-09-11 13:40

    Sorry while these miners are wielding weapons, I dont believe they are entitled to a crumb of bread. Gift of Givers I believe you a wrong and only adding fuel to the fire. These miners are incensed at the moment and a massacre could have broken out. This is what it is leading up to, so I believe stay away from them until such time as they thrown down their weapons and find themselves in a position to listen to some sensible advice. Send them home to cool off or leave them on the hill to sit it out. Dont give them the time of the day or anything just ignore them lets see how long they last. They are only doing this because they are received recognition.

  • hermann.hanekom - 2012-09-11 13:42

    No donations from me for the Gift of the Givers.

  • ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-09-11 13:42

    Isn't this similar to giving money to beggars at the robot. Might make the Giver feel good for a while but is very damaging to the beggar in the long run.

  • pieter0827006294 - 2012-09-11 13:42

    Sounds like they set up a holiday camp for these guys -

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-11 14:04

      Despicable waste of publicly raised funds.

  • lynne.barker.7 - 2012-09-11 13:43

    Gift of the Givers is NOT helping them at all. No work - no food - that's how it works everywhere - go back to work or lose your jobs forever.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-11 14:05

      Exactly - they CHOSE to strike, they are not hungry because of external factors, therefore NOT A CHARITABLE CAUSE. When my clients don't pay on time can I also call them to come fill up my fridge?

  • deon.louw.7505 - 2012-09-11 13:43

    Fighting over food might be the start of a long suffering.

  • pete.bower.982 - 2012-09-11 13:44

    I thought the idea was for Gift of the Givers to be giving food parcels to the wives and children who were suffering as a result of their menfolks' actions, not just supporting the strikers with free scoff. And by getting involved Gift of the Givers has lost a lot of kudos with ordinary people like me.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-11 14:06


  • mikeeka - 2012-09-11 13:53

    Response from Gift of the Givers: "Accordingly, we are putting together a package of food supplies, high energy supplements and blankets to be delivered to as many families as we can support. It is our fervent hope that on receiving these supplies some of the hurt and anger will subside to allow a more conducive environment for a just and fair negotiation that will culminate in an equitable distribution of income in keeping with the high risk duties performed by these individuals who are human after all." Think a little, before posting uninformed comments...

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-11 14:02

      LOL! "These individuals are human after all". Look at the picture at the top of this article and tell me you call that thing human?

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-11 14:10

      Would the food and blankets not be better served going to people who do work hard, who do suffer because of external reasons beyond their control, especially children who are abused and neglected? A charitable organisation getting involved with a BUSINESS and POLITICAL spat started by RIVAL UNIONS and miners who CHOSE TO STRIKE therefore not have money to eat, in my book (17 years of charity work) does not constitute a WORTHY CHARITABLE CAUSE. These miners can HELP THEMSELVES by getting another job if they don't like the one they have.

      jolene.fourie - 2012-09-11 14:12

      Yes those pictures clearly show how starving and cold they are. Whilst some poor homeless child on the street will use a newspaper for his blanket and hopefully find a meal in the trash can that the rats have left over.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-11 14:31

      Exactly Jolene - why don't the UNIONS who take membership fees from these "poor" workers feed their members, instead of the money coming from a charity. Makes me sick.

  • ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-09-11 13:54

    Whilst all of this is going on, Lonmin are having to sit down with the bankers to renegotiate the terms of there loan. Banks are conservative and IF they decide not to call in the money will require a more attractive pound of flesh. The company has lost R5 billion of its value since the start of the strike. I seriously looks as if they must close down.

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-09-11 13:56

      typo should read "their loan"

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-11 14:11

      Yup and in typical fashion, as has been seen with so many other companies forced to close or move operations to other countries, even MORE workers will be without work.

  • mario.dippenaar - 2012-09-11 13:56

    Grr... I don't like it one bit what GotG is doing at all... but at the end of the day, they are helping our fellow humans, and as much as I detest those arrogant bastards, what GotG is doing is ultimately is the correct action. I am willing to admit that they are better and more compationate person than me.

  • shelley.vorster.9 - 2012-09-11 14:14

    Ungrateful bunch!!! Even if they were by some SMALL chance given the 12k salary, they would still find something to protest against All they want is MORE & MORE & MORE Ungrateful hooligans

      mikeeka - 2012-09-11 16:15

      Who are the 'they' you refer to? Mine-workers, or blacks?

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-09-11 14:17

    Where are earth did they get golf clubs from did they play golf in their spare time??!! These guys are a ticking time bomb why are they still carrying dangerous weapons yesterday they almost killed a man if it were not for the police!!! Remember these are murderers of 10 innocent people they are not just miners striking for wages they are criminals out to destroy and the GoG should be feeding the Aurora miners not this lot...obviously now they are getting a lot of international media coverage!!!

  • christiaan.vanvuuren.9 - 2012-09-11 14:19

    Wtf... No way this is helping the situation. They dont need to work because food is free... So theyll never see the need to give in and get back to work. Why dont they just start handing them cash donations aswell??

  • impi.masondo - 2012-09-11 14:20

    the miners are the victims now the mine management is eating nice and drinking champane

  • OmegaFenix22 - 2012-09-11 14:26

    Why Work when you can strike and get free food?

  • ronald.stilianou - 2012-09-11 14:27

    "It's a labour dispute," Sooliman said. "But because of the shootings, it's become a much bigger issue."- Imtiaz Sooliman is the founder of GOTG. I wonder if he will bring me some food if I should decide to stop my work and to go and jump around like an idiot outside my office for a month. My charity money will only be spent on the SPCA from now on.

      mikeeka - 2012-09-11 16:22

      @Ronald - at least you have extra money for charity!

  • marilyn.edge.3 - 2012-09-11 14:27

    When will this end? now they're providing food to striking workers. Even SABC has taken sides with askewed reporting. The reported R5000 take-home pay is after tax, pension, housing allowance & medical. None of those are mentioned - just "a mere R5000.00". Most workers in South Africa don't even earn that much as a gross salary.

      mikeeka - 2012-09-11 16:20

      @marilyn.edge.3 - If you earn anything more than a mere R5,000, then your comment means very little, since you have no idea what these miners are going through.

  • chris.smeda - 2012-09-11 14:32

    no work no pay, no pay no food!sad that they cant even grasp something so simple! idiots!

  • phumlani.q.shongwe - 2012-09-11 14:34

    @ Black Diamond I agree with u, coz all these ppl have never been down that shaft but r so quick to judge.....

      TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-09-11 16:00

      'coz all these people'? as if you KNOW. you don't know all these people fool.

      TheyTookMyNickLaZynEko - 2012-09-11 16:00

      we also suffer! everybody does whether it's physical or not!!!

  • sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-09-11 14:37

    Marikana - Aid Delivery Commences It's late Saturday afternoon (8 September 2012); the Gift of the Givers team are standing near "Koppies", the hill where the tragedy occurred on that fateful day of 16 August 2012. A site is selected nearby to set up a camp from which a wholesome hot nutritious meal will be served to the miners and their families, commencing Sunday, 9 September 2012. The team moves to the location where the families live; armed police and barbed wire adds to the tense atmosphere.

  • sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-09-11 14:37

    Children, obviously traumatised emotionally by the unpleasant events of the past few weeks break into tears when asked to collect items brought for them; the fear, the anxiety, the uncertainty is palpable. Supportive words of encouragement from the mothers and suddenly an incredulous expression of joy permeates the atmosphere; "lambile, lambile, lambile" (we are hungry), they shout and grab the juice and biscuits with gratifying satisfaction. They don't have money, the uncertainty of when the wage dispute will be resolved and the aggravation of debt incurred through loan sharks adds to the anxiety. These are a people in great need; hungry, distressed, anxious and scared. We hand out the supplies, engage them, reassure them and promise them that bigger things are on the way come Sunday, 9 September 2012. Trucks carrying 15 degs (huge cooking pots) of hot, prepared meals and other supplies including blankets and food parcels are on the way to Marikana as we transmit this broadcast. Teams will set up camp, generators, lights and feed through the night today. These people need our assistance and kind words. A play area for children including the provision of colouring books, paints and soft toys will be functional tomorrow.

      phae.rayden - 2012-09-11 15:07

      Thanks Shanna, happy to hear GOTG is making a positive impact on these kids lives and the situation. What a shame people are so selfish they cannot comprehend the magnitude of this situation.

      marilyn.edge.3 - 2012-09-11 15:26

      This after Malema has said the boers must come to the party! Why is it always the "boers" who end up helping?

  • sharon.truebodyvice - 2012-09-11 14:37


      napolita.kio - 2012-09-11 14:43

      Meaningful word without contextual meaning.

      karen.leroux.92 - 2012-09-11 15:28

      We all know this is a political ploy to make Zuma look bad and dim wit Julius is nothing more than a pawn. I just cannot believe gift of the givers (who will never receive a donation from me now) wasted food packs on ungrateful idiots. Feed the people who don't have jobs amd will appreciate it.

      napolita.kio - 2012-09-11 16:03

      Karen - No, WE do not ALL know. Tell us about it.

  • chrissello.setshele - 2012-09-11 14:38

    Strike to morn ur fellow frnd

  • napolita.kio - 2012-09-11 14:39 Gift of the Givers should not take sides otherwise YOU will never donate to them. Beyond your threat to never donate to them what else gives you the right to decide for Gift of the Givers as to whether they can/should take sides or not? I am certain that Gift of the Givers would not deny Lonmin management if they joined the queues for food, don't you think? If this assertion holds then they certainly aren't taking sides. Of course to prove this assertion wrong you simply need to provide proof to the contrary. How does Gift of the Givers's action of providing food amount to taking sides? Perhaps Gift of the Givers have a code of conduct which states when and how to provide for food, if so please provide it for all to read. Thumbs down count begins ;)

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-09-11 14:54

      Let me answer your first question....GotG NEVER told me that they are going to use MY money to take a political side/stand. -That gives ME the right!!! So, if it's still not clear to you,for as long as they ask, no, beg for money from me, do I believe that they are obligated so give only to the instances/charities/people in need that they have described to me at the time of the so called begging parade. I would NEVER have given them money if they told me that it would go to a bunch of thugs on a hill.

      napolita.kio - 2012-09-11 15:07

      Ronald - Provide PROOF of taking "political side/stand". Here's something for you to think about. Would you be happy if they were providing food for children whose parents had no (not enough) income? Assuming you'd approve of Gift of the Givers's action on the above action. Then consider this, those parents referred above happen to be those currently not being payed because they are on strike how do you handle that? i.e. would you still approve of Gift of the Givers' action (feeding the children)? I believe you get where I am headed with my line of thinking.

      jimmy.pistrelli - 2012-09-11 15:17

      They are feeding employed people while there are thousands that have nothing. My company donated to them with the expectation that the money would improve the lives of suffering people, not violent strikers. They can give money to whoever they want. So can we.

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-09-11 15:27

      Napolita- Then just that.....Give the food to the children and the wives at home, Not the thugs on the hill. There is a process to follow grievances wrt wages. If the union rep (that we have appointed)is unable to negotiate for a better salary, then get mad at him, not the mine. The money that these thugs are demanding is completely out of reach for the mine. If they continue with this then the mine will close and then they will have a bigger problem to deal with - suicides will then increase from 25 per day to well over 50. I'm rambling sorry, my point is "do not make it comfortable for these irrational thinking THUGS because in the end their children are the ones that will suffer the most because of their actions"

      napolita.kio - 2012-09-11 15:57

      Ronald; - What makes you think the children you are concerned about are not already suffering given the low wages of their father? It's illogical to suggest that if my representative cannot get what I want then I should be mad with him and not the employer. With respect to suicides, I can bet my last breath that most people who commit suicide are not poor; to the contrary those who have (and possibly lost) are the ones likely to kill themselves. If indeed, joblessness led to suicide I am sure the undertaker business would be booming throughout the world, think Spain 26%, Greece 24%, RSA 25%, etc. but alas, no such booming is to be found. For that matter joblessness would ultimately lead to full employment, thanks to suicides! Here's a simply thing you can do. Search to find out what miners (e.g. rock drillers[sic]) in other parts of the world (only those parts of the world with no "exploitation") get paid compared to what the striking miners here are being paid. No Ron, you are not rambling ;) Look I am an office bound employee and I can tell you that we (most office employees, in general ) are way over paid! It's hard to admit this with ones ego fully intact. Those "irrational thinking THUGS" make the world go around. Just by way of example; remember when Brian Swanepoel wanted to "hostile" take-over Goldfields? Brian made the very same point about why he would cut the head-office at Goldfields if the takeover was successful.

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-09-11 16:39

      Napolita; As a matter of fact, and I do mean FACT, is it one of your union's (that you freely appoint out of your own free will) tasks to see that you get a fair wage. And to top it all, at the beginning of your employment have you sighed a contract where you have agreed on a certain amount of salary per month. It is illogical to decide after the fact that you now need more, why would you sign a contract knowing that it is not enough to sustain your family. I am also office bound for 50% of my day, but the rest of the day am I in the trenches with these guys and I can imagine how they must feel, but, and believe me, the majority of the workforce can not better themselves due to a very poor education system. They are just not smart enough, I'm not condescending but it is a sad truth. We can cross swords for days on this but ultimately at the end of the day, you can not pay someone more than what he/she is worth. Surely you can see this in the state of all the government run institutions/parastatels. No business can show a profit or even be self sustaining if they overpay the staff and they under deliver because of incompetence.

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-09-11 16:40

      sorry, ran out of characters there Back to the kids: I stand by my point that GotG should ONLY give aid to the wives and kids at home and not to the "thugs on the hill". And NO, my profession sends me all over the world and I promise you that we are underpaid by far.(well, depending on the province you work in, I'm in Cape town) But please Napolita, have a look at this: quite an interesting read.

      ronald.stilianou - 2012-09-11 18:27

      PS; Brian Swanepoel is/was a firm believer that an apple rots from the core. That is why he wanted to cut head office first. I would have done exactly the same, and you?

  • long.tom.509 - 2012-09-11 14:42

    the gift of the givers should be careful that they don't become the potluck of the strikers

  • aphiwe.mayola - 2012-09-11 14:52

    I don't really have much of an opinion about this whole Lonmin saga. I would however like to say, somewhr in SA some hard working person probably had to go without lunch @ lunchtime but still goes 2 work, some kid probably did not eat anything over breaktime but still goes to school n will probably go 2 bed without eating tonight. I'm very suspect about this mine, firstly, the price of platinum was stagnant due 2 over supply or whatever, so perhaps, just perhaps... Argh let me leave it, its 2 late in the day for these kind of thoughts. However, I do think as a society (GOTG) we need 2 get our priorities straight.

      Tony Lapson - 2012-09-11 14:53

      Well said

  • phae.rayden - 2012-09-11 14:55

    Thanks GofG, this is the true meaning of giving. Hope people are able to comprehend what its all about some day.

      arthur.hugh - 2012-09-11 15:01


      phae.rayden - 2012-09-11 15:57

      Rubbish HI? The way I see it they are trying to help stabilise and calm an extremely volatile situation with an act of kindness. We know this situation is a tinder box which could blow at any time. Since when do we not care about babies and kids. With your experience in charity work, what is your opinion?

  • jimmy.pistrelli - 2012-09-11 15:02

    Let me see if I understand this correctly. - Miners become unhappy and stop working despite accepting their salaries when they signed up - Armed Miners chop 2 cops to pieces - Entire country starts feeling sorry for the Miners - Gift of the Givers start feeding EMPLOYED PEOPLE What a friendly bunch we are. My company will not donate again.

      mikeeka - 2012-09-11 16:28

      @Jimmy - your company can keep their money - I don't think GOTG will mind.

  • cj.venter - 2012-09-11 15:16

    oh, so go on strike, get a free meal? wtf? in the medieval times invading armies used to cut off water and food supply to starve the armies out of the castles. if they used this kind of mentality on lonmin, the idiots would be back at home and work in no time. who pays for the food parcels? i bet if you follow the money....

  • sonk.goosen - 2012-09-11 15:22

    There will be no appreciation...give the food to hungry children and not to lawless killers.

  • Rebecca - 2012-09-11 15:26

    I am appalled at gift of the givers jumping on this band wagon when there are more worthy causes they could be funding. I shall not be supporting them again.

      louis.vanrensburg.50 - 2012-09-11 15:50

      Rebecca..the sad reality is that you are already paying for just about everything that the blacks need to live..their housing and electricity the hospitals etc..if there's one thing I've learnt its that charity begins at home...nothing we can do but sit back and watch it all go to the dogs..I overheard some black guys talking and all I will say is that we as whites need to get ready for big trouble.these were educated ward concellors who were themselves worried about how bad its gonna be 'when' not if they bring their plan to being...

  • Antipoaching - 2012-09-11 15:31

    Remember that the approx R4 000.00/month is a NETT salary; check out this article for a possibly clearer idea of the Lonmin miners earnings..

  • dan.ledwaba.5 - 2012-09-11 16:04

    I do not understand why Gift of the Givers give food to ppl that HAVE jobs, that choose not to work????????? This must be a joke.

  • Mark John Mollentze - 2012-09-11 16:15

    awwwweeee, pooor black people, shame hay....., stop using your race as a crutch, ur not dissabled, get another job and stop pissing off everyone els

      mikeeka - 2012-09-11 16:33

      @Mark - I'm sure if the 'pooor black people' had access to the school (and perhaps the university you went to), then they would be able to get another job...

      jimmy.pistrelli - 2012-09-11 21:24

      mikeeka - you have obviously not seen what they do to text books and sometimes entire schools. yes yes I know, its appartheids fault..

  • mr.minnaar - 2012-09-11 17:16

    the minute these people see a camera they go ballistic!

      ken.grimblegrumble - 2012-09-12 15:31

      That's Show Biz for ya.