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MEC: White road hogs avoid prison

2013-01-30 09:27

Cape Town - The Western Cape transport MEC says that people serving time for road offences were mostly black and coloured.

“If you want to kill someone on the roads, ensure that you are white,” MEC Robin Carlisle told the Cape Town Press Club, reported Die Burger.

He said white people usually avoided prison time as they could afford lawyers.

He said the biggest obstacle in fighting road deaths was the lack of consequences for road offences.

He slammed poor police work on accident scenes as well as “softer” sentences by courts.

He said the media should stigmatise people who caused road deaths.

“Our road safety campaign is controversial but very successful and would never have worked without the media,” he said.

He said he believed road deaths could be decreased by 22% if everyone buckled up.  

He also said women caused only 4% of road deaths while 40% of motorists were female.

Comments
  • nigel.olifaunt - 2013-01-30 09:35

    Stupid, racist remarks!

      justa.minority - 2013-01-30 09:42

      I guess its just all those white taxi drivers in unroadworthy death traps killing people daily. What an idiot!!!

      Kawasaki1985 - 2013-01-30 09:59

      I cannot afford an attorney, does that make me black ? If so, I have no complaints !!

      BatRMan959 - 2013-01-30 10:15

      The real reason we have so many accidents is because we have all these "LEARNER" drivers with the huge L on their windows... - by the time you get your license you should be 100% proficient on the roads...

      peter.woods.142 - 2013-01-30 10:17

      We coloureds go down to the courts for justice...and that's what you find, just us!

      Strikeback - 2013-01-30 10:19

      Most citizens of the country are black, most members of parliament are black most Taxi drivers are black, most mine workers are black, most people who appear before courts are black, lawyer or not! From the above you should get my point, unless most people who make stupid points in the media are black! www.strikeback.co.za

      mo.matt.14 - 2013-01-30 10:23

      And this is how the ANC plans to "change the language of racism" to promote unity in SA.

      glenda.gert - 2013-01-30 10:24

      I wonder if the DA will ask him to apologize or step down. What's different in this statement than that made by Jimmy Manyi about Indians and coloreds?

      gert_swart - 2013-01-30 10:27

      He just want to score brownie points with "black" voters. As if they would be so stupid to vote for him. The dumb F!

      OwenCPT - 2013-01-30 11:23

      *sigh Always a race issue :-| One day the sun will set earlier than usual and it will be blamed on race.

      mofstok - 2013-01-30 12:09

      gerald: the problem is Carlisle: he is an idiot and a buffoon, and if the DA have any sense they'd replace his useless hide by Friday. He is a joke, and he is crossing some serious lines.

      Matthew - 2013-01-30 12:15

      ^ Bull$hit at its best. carry on and you might get a badge from the ANC

      mofstok - 2013-01-30 12:32

      Maybe you need to take your head out of your a$$ matthew. Don't be a sheep that laps up everything the oppositions states.

      linds.ronhouse - 2013-01-30 13:46

      So the MEC is basically agreeing that on average white household income is much higher than that of black households? That white people are richer than black people? That the need for equity is still there and will remain there for many years to come?

      debduplessis - 2013-02-01 09:46

      Dammed idiot!!!!!!!!!!! I was involved in accident yesterday morning caused by a black woman & I was rushed to hospital, lucky discharged later in the day --- just seems Depth Perception is inherently a medical issue with this culture & a proven medical statement, no wonder those that kill on the roads are mainly from the black race!!!!!!! Go figure!

  • Eterni80 - 2013-01-30 09:39

    funny, I just read an article where another ANC flunky wanted to do away with racism.. in their haste to take over, the ANC have become the very thing they despised..

      mo.matt.14 - 2013-01-30 12:06

      As if that would EVER happen. The LOVE racism, because it keeps them in power

  • jamiepamuk.brown - 2013-01-30 09:39

    They should Fire The Minister and his Hence men.For doing a poor job.Instead playing the blame game.

      raath - 2013-01-30 10:22

      *henchmen

  • Delacruise01 - 2013-01-30 09:41

    It has nothing to do with your race that decides whether you can afford a lawyer. It has to do with your money!! AND It is a lack of enforcement, not consequence. Idiot!!

  • asdhasgd - 2013-01-30 09:41

    What a racist sterotypical a55hole!

  • cobus.potgieter1 - 2013-01-30 09:42

    Looking for black voters, Carlisle? Try something new, your John Wayne/Obama rhetoric mix has been beyond boring for ages. And mostly senseless.

  • cheryl.childs - 2013-01-30 09:43

    Excuse me? Is he TRYING to incite more racial tension? When will these idiotic politicians realise that they can't just say the first thing that pops into their little-used brains??

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-01-30 11:44

      Cheryl.childs. No, he is trying to get black votes.

  • jean.bence.5 - 2013-01-30 09:44

    The MEC is losing the plot. It is absolutely unacceptable for him to make unfounded statements of this nature. Only whites can afford lawyers? Please. What about the legal aid. Is that not free? Is that not available to every citizen who cannot afford private counsel. Is he perhaps saying that there is a massive conspiracy against all non whites which includes the legal system and police officials as a whole? Please grow up Mr Carlisle.

      oistar.tutu.9 - 2013-01-30 10:52

      Send him an email. robin.carlisle@westerncape.gov.za

      rory.jarrett - 2013-01-30 10:54

      Not losing the plot - lost it long ago.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-01-30 11:45

      Iostar.tutu.9 Won't help, they don't answer emails.

      oistar.tutu.9 - 2013-01-30 14:54

      Actually one good point of Mr Carlisle's is that he does answer emails. He has even phoned me up after one of my emails of complaints, to which I was very surprise.

  • JManAtheoi - 2013-01-30 09:45

    If you take racism out of SA...many people would be bored.

  • ready2go - 2013-01-30 09:46

    But surely the part of "if you cant afford a lawyer one will be appointed one by the state" makes his remark void as well. Or is the state lawyers all a bunch of idiots? Secondly, accidents happen, to white, colored and black, to lock up everybody who kills someone on the road is absurd. What he was trying to say is that out of everybody prosecuted it was found beyond any reasonable doubt that the "black and colored" caused the deaths due to trespassing the law, drunk driving etc.

  • justa.minority - 2013-01-30 09:47

    Robin, you need to speak to Jessie about your political racist propaganda. See: www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/Politics/Duarte-SA-must-change-language-on-racism-20130129

  • Jesus - 2013-01-30 09:47

    What has happened to the guy that killed Burry Stander?

  • sachasea - 2013-01-30 09:48

    So sick of race having to come into everything! Is South Africa ever going to get over its infatuation with race? One thing is certain... if race talk was a sport we'd be the world champions! So sick and tired of it! Lets move on people for God's sake. There are far more important matters that need our attention.

  • klipkop.degroote - 2013-01-30 09:51

    Whatever and black people buy Black Label and white people buy Castle Lager. (sarcasm)

  • armand.horn.58 - 2013-01-30 09:53

    Mmm, Carlisle obviously don't come out a lot

  • gert_swart - 2013-01-30 09:56

    Who TF voted this retard into power? This is why I don't vote - they are all the same. No difference between zille and zuma.

      gert.swart.393 - 2013-01-30 11:01

      You want me to vote for this DA fart? No, thank you.

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-01-30 11:47

      Gert Swart. Big difference between those two. She's female, he is male to start with.

      Bongeka - 2013-01-30 11:54

      I like the way you see, think and analyse things Gert_Swart. It means you're politicaly matured. It doesn't matter what your haters would say, just continui doind what you believe in. Let nobody distruct or tell you what to do or how you should think.

  • Ernest - 2013-01-30 09:56

    Fire the man, Zille.

      markjack.deppe - 2013-01-30 16:33

      Can't wait for Rampele to start her party. Always knew that there are still racist individuals in the heart of the DA, just like ANC.

  • jill.mckie.9 - 2013-01-30 09:57

    I dont think its racist at all, he has a point . I see dreadful driving by whites mainly in their flashy cars , they think they own the roads.

      Killbot79 - 2013-01-30 10:20

      And 4x4's

      John - 2013-01-30 15:35

      Hi delish. Everything you say is 100% right. Introduce the point system as in the UK, if you break the law you have points taken off your licence or a ban from driving for a certain period. Certainly works here.

  • staal.vanderbergh - 2013-01-30 09:58

    Stupid racist Twit! your comments are the reason for all the tesion and hatred amongst people.

  • peasant.mcpoor - 2013-01-30 10:00

    I agree with the MEC.The root problem-our justice system. The higher the salary, the less the justice.

      peasant.mcpoor - 2013-01-30 15:26

      Lol- obviously;)

      markus.ippy - 2013-01-30 15:37

      Yes but the point he refers to should be people that can afford a lawyer and a justice system that works different for people that can afford a lawyer. Race has nothing to do with that

  • spillies - 2013-01-30 10:02

    Once again making this a race thing, trying to get black and coloured people to turn against white people. What would happen if we said that black people stabbed a white man to death in front of his wife, in Bloemfontein yesterday? No, we MAY NEVER say that it is done by black people, because then it is racism. Grow up man.

  • Nathan Lombard - 2013-01-30 10:04

    Could someone please explain to me, what constructive use is there for this dickheads mindless drivel? I don't care what party he is affiliated with, it is just irrelevant political bollocks. Someone earlier mentioned JubJub, I am sure he could afford a lawyer. In a country where less than 10% of the population is white, would you not expect the same representation (more or less) in the road death prosecutions? Get a clue you fossil!

  • Michael Morreira - 2013-01-30 10:05

    Lets do some real quantitative research into the matter before making such 'profound' statements meneer. just look at the demographics china, let all of the facts be stated, and take your stupid comment back.

  • gary.doyle.520 - 2013-01-30 10:06

    Sounds like he's purposely stirring sh*t for some reason.

  • barry.mcdonald.773 - 2013-01-30 10:08

    What a moronic deduction. I love statistics! Lets see the stats on pedestrians killed ,perhaps they should wear seatbelts or turn female.

  • markus.ippy - 2013-01-30 10:09

    Welcome to the non racial society called rainbow nation . He implies that all whites are rich and can afford an attorney . The correct statement would have been : " rich people avoid prison time ,because they can afford a lawyer " . I hope Hellen will reprimand this guy and give a public apology

  • avanwyk2 - 2013-01-30 10:09

    I have been contemplating for a few years why I should vote for the DA when they do not do anything for me. They convinced me now that the time has arrived to look at other options than the DA and of course the ANC. I am going to vote for a party that respresents me and they must give me something in return for that vote. More money, a house, free electricity and water is what I am aiming at. Any political parties interested?

      ryanerasm - 2013-01-30 10:27

      fully agreed...I think a lot of DA voters are secretly fed up by every single headline, be it ANC, DA, etc etc....what did Braveheart say ? : "You believe people's freedom gives you position and power....I believe your position exists to give people freedom." I see a bad moon arising :(

      gert.swart.393 - 2013-01-30 11:06

      I agree. The DA contribues nothing. Their policies are exactly the same as the ANC. They also do not deserve my vote.

      malcolm.james.macleod - 2013-01-30 11:22

      I too have been completely over the DA for quite some time, the problem is that there really don't seem to be many other choices :/

      jacqui.daanevanrensburg - 2013-01-30 11:50

      Gert,Swart, You don't vote. Contemplating doing so then?.

  • peter.abrahams.395 - 2013-01-30 10:11

    Perhaps the stats on racial breakdown of drivers involved in these accidents should be published. That will give some context to the issue. Without those figures it's a meaningless debate.

  • Flippncool - 2013-01-30 10:14

    What is the ratio of black and coloured drivers versus white drivers? Maybe it's not about who can afford lawyers, but a simple case of statistics. Not that I'd expect a moron to consider this.

  • oistar.tutu.9 - 2013-01-30 10:16

    Dear Mr Carlisle I am absolutely horrified at your statement. 1) For racialising what is actually an economic disparity - blacks and Indians who can afford lawyers are probably also not sitting in jail. 2) You obviously are in favour of more people to be imprisoned. We get told that drunken drivers are the result of x amount of loss to the economy. Surely imprissoned drivers are also a cause of loss to the economy. 3) Great to put someone in prison for being over the drink-driving limit. Great when that limit is so pathetically low. Great that huge amounts of law enforcement is used to monitor this low level. (Just as a matter of interest I do have a high alcoholic threshold and am still pretty much sober after three beers, but current and future laws will state that I may not drink at all before I get into the driver's seat. This is punitive and insulting and worst of all derodes social activities.) Personally I think that you have had your time now and that you should consider resigning from your position.

      johan.meyer26 - 2013-01-30 14:53

      oistar.tutu.9 While agreeing with your 1st and 2nd points in general terms, I am shocked at your comment in point 3. Yes our blood alcohol limit is low, but not as low as many other countries. Also due to bad enforcement or bribery or not following legal procedures, the courts don't even see a majority of the cases. The cases that do make it to the courts, usually unless they are high profile, do not even finish with a decent jail sentence. Yet you are saying that you are capable of driving just as well after three beers as if you didn't drink at all?? I just hope that when you land up causing an accident after your three beers and you are "pretty much sober" that you don't kill, cripple or harm anyone else. As for the article, I agree with the comment by DesertRat that without context and numbers there is no factual debate that can take place.

      oistar.tutu.9 - 2013-01-30 15:08

      Hi Johan. Can you honestly tell me that a grown man accustomed to drinking three or four beers a night is going to get into his car and suddenly be so reckless that he causes an accident. The accident that may happen in this state is probably a cause of something else, being over the drink driving limit is just a side of it. Simply put, if drunk driving was the cause of ALL accidents then I would have to agree with Mr Carlisle. But stsistically if 40% of road deaths are due to pedestrians that only leaves 60% of accidents left to divide up between speed, negligence, poor road conditions, poor visibility, poor state of car condition, falling asleep at the wheel, just plain stupidness and alcohol related. Whittled down, one is finding that driving under the influence only makes up fraction of all other causes of accidents. I repeat again that I am pretty much sober after three beers, so setting the bar lower than that is designed to bring everyone down to the lowest common denominator and thus is unfairly bringing everyone down to the lowest common denominator. Having the traffic force concentrating on policing these low levels prevents that traffic force from taking into account any of the other factors, which will happen, whether the driver is drunk or not. The total ban on drink driving is not the way to go because the alternatives are not available to people whoi do want to have a f'ng glass of wine at their Sunday lunch.

  • placebo.effect - 2013-01-30 10:16

    Imagine it said Black Road Hogs Avoid Prison, people would go buck.

  • vivian.harris.73 - 2013-01-30 10:17

    Reckless taxi drivers and idiot drag racers just happen to be blacks and coloureds. If you obey the rules and laws of the road then you won't be doing any time........

  • avanwyk2 - 2013-01-30 10:17

    What the hell is a non-African South African Jessie? Please explain. Anyway you look more coloured than black. Are you sure you are not a non-African yourself?

  • Joe FS ZA - 2013-01-30 10:17

    If you can get members of SAPS, traffic cops and others driving cars with red number plates (state vehicles) to wear seatbelts, then it should make up that 22%

  • walter.keenen - 2013-01-30 10:18

    Extremely dissapointing. Pathetic actually. Mr Carlisle should resign. As a white South African, I am very much gatvol for everyday racist remarks. If he had blamed anything on blacks he would have been hangend! So Mr Carlisle do not think that the DA is going to continue supporting the DA just because they are oposing the ANC's mess. I you are going to insult us for the sake of political scoring, you can go and do with yourself what is not difficult to imagine. Or how about this Mr Carlisle: Make way for a black minister - then the composition of ministers may better reflect the community.

  • glenda.gert - 2013-01-30 10:23

    I wonder if the DA will ask him to apologize or step down. What's different in this statement than that made by Jimmy Manyi about Indians and coloreds?

  • Gcwabe-KaMavovo - 2013-01-30 10:25

    Is this how far down the DA will stoop in order to get my black vote? LMAO!

      Bongeka - 2013-01-30 11:25

      I wonder if you're a real Mkhize or those fake ones you find all over town.

      Gcwabe-KaMavovo - 2013-01-30 11:40

      What are you on about? I see right through Carlisle's cheap politicking here. He's playing the good guy to the black and coloured majority, in order to garner votes. That is what I was saying. I am not fooled.

  • christo.viljoen.319 - 2013-01-30 10:30

    Racist bastard...sick and tired of this Black white crap!

  • pjbadenhorst - 2013-01-30 10:30

    If you can afford a lawyer you are probably a tax-payer. If the 'public servants' weren't havving a jolly time with tax-payers' money they could actually give the poor road hogs some better quality legal aid.

      Sibusiso - 2013-01-30 10:52

      Can u define what a taxpayer is so that this issue is settled once and for all.

      oistar.tutu.9 - 2013-01-30 15:13

      Sibusiso the agreed perception of a tax payer is someone who works for a living and has tax deducted from his pay. This is different from where you are trying to jump in by saying that all VAT is tax - agreed, VAT is taxed, but those that are not earning their living are living off people who are tax payers and so are ultimately not directly paying their tax. It means that the real one paying his tax is subsiding all those that are not earning a living and thus is actually paying 2,3,4,5 times the amount of tax

  • aspruyt - 2013-01-30 10:31

    Racist much? Look at your blue light brigades death tolls and the amount of these pricks sitting in jail? A big fat 0.

  • glenda.gert - 2013-01-30 10:32

    Each day that passes, I'm beginning to believe that the DA is no different from the ANC

  • my10cent - 2013-01-30 10:32

    In Gauteng i get more respect from black drivers than whites, so he might be right? Everybody is always going on about taxi's and those are usualy the ones standing behind the door. One can only point finger to whomever if you are 100% within the law every minute you spend in your car.

  • eyesears.handsfeet - 2013-01-30 10:33

    How much are you being paid to say this crap and who are lining your pockets robin carlisle? Also supply the reports (note more than one) for your allegations to be scrutinized by the public, or is it another case of secrecy disclosure within the da ranks? How can the campaign be controversial but VERY SUCCESSFUL, if whites can avoid jail time, bacause they can afford lawyers and are being afforded "softer" sentences? WOW! And the DA supporters wants me to belief exactly what?? Scream a little bit louder DA, I can't hear you. Or should I write this incident off as robin playing on both sides of the field?

  • gary.desousa.5 - 2013-01-30 10:34

    And this idiot works for the DA Gov? If any person cannot afford a laywer one will be appointed by the courts. This goes for anyone of any colour. Its this contiual attack on mainly whites that have money that gives me the feeling that we are becomming more and more commie/socialist.

  • Marcus Steenberg - 2013-01-30 10:37

    It is true that jail is less likely if you have effective counsel arguing in mitigation - that is a fact regardless of your skin colour. But the MEC's comment is on the face of it ridiculous because they question has to be asked, percentage wise, how many of each race are accused of causing death on the roads. Logic would tell you that a much smaller percentage of whites would be statistically likely to be accused simply because there are much fewer of them. This is not even taking into consideration the widespread use of bought or fraudulent licenses - not least of all by Nigerians in Cape Town who virtually to a man all have fraudulent licenses made on a computer. I happen to know and had cut up quite a few policing Cape Town's streets. Strangely the NPA and the police were not in the least bit interested in prosecuting them because "it is difficult to prove the license is fake" - such bull since a 3 year old could see it was printed (badly) on an inkjet and then laminated. they are a massive danger on our roads - lock them up.

  • fther.christmas.35 - 2013-01-30 10:47

    And where are the statistics to back up his statement? Sounds like his opinion to me...one designed to woo black and coloured voters...

  • james.cussen - 2013-01-30 10:51

    Blacks/coloureds outnumber whites 9 to 1 so it's logical sense that there will be more in prison as there are more on the roads.... Ridiculous statement

  • rory.jarrett - 2013-01-30 10:53

    Mr Carlisle is out of his depth. Just look at the stats on taxi accidents, seems to forget that almost most deaths over December were pedestrians, mostly drunk. No enforcement equals high accident rate.

  • paulus.knighted - 2013-01-30 11:02

    This halfwit twit is representing a political party? Ok, lets take the statistics from December, break them down into vehicles involved then into race (seeing as this twat wants to bring race into it) and I'm willing to lay money on the table as to the outcome which will not be in agreement with this idiots opinion. Get the metro police to stop hiding behind cameras and out doing proactive policing, stopping and checking vehicles and licences and sorting out the taxis who stop when and where they want, go through red robots in the yellow lane, cut people off and generally use their vehicles as a weapon. They are the biggest problem on our roads!!! Try putting your hazard lights on and stopping in front of a taxi where he can't get past you and see his reaction and actions..... Get this brain dead twat out! With comments like this one has to winder how the hell he got the position in the first place......

  • lourens.wurz - 2013-01-30 11:03

    very raccist! that from our MEC! I too cannot afford a lawyer...so im bl@ck too then??? disgusting....