MP: Probe doctors who help absent cops

2012-02-15 09:15

Cape Town - An MP has called for doctors who help police officers abuse sick leave to be investigated, the Cape Times newspaper reported on Wednesday.

Chairperson of Parliament’s police oversight committee Sindi Chikunga was responding to high levels of absenteeism at the Maitland police station in Cape Town.

“It means there is nobody working at this police station, period," Chikunga said in her opening remarks as police management appeared before the committee on Tuesday to discuss an audit of building leases.

At the police station the 85 staff took a total of 6 579 sick days in one year, at an average of 77.2 days each.

“As a matter of fact there are people in the department who, according to the sick leave register are supposed to have died, because there isn’t any part of their body that has not been ill,” Chikunga said.

“However, they are strong and kicking. They are not dead.”

To make matters worse, some of these individuals had been promoted despite their atrocious work ethic, Chikunga said.

“I think it is a matter we will be discussing with the department during our hearings. It means we are actually rewarding such behaviour,” she said.

  • Sharon - 2012-02-15 09:23

    Allowed sick leave is 36 days in a 3 year cycle. If they were paid in full for their time off, the department needs to enquire why the controls were not in place to prevent this from happening.

      Marion - 2012-02-15 09:39

      ... ignorance of the law is no excuse...

      John - 2012-02-15 09:41

      Thank you Sharon! I hope CCMA reads this also. I've got people with same symptoms here. Please send me that doctor. Urgent help required.

      Janice - 2012-02-15 10:07

      Fire the bloody lot of them!!!! Corpses!

      Ray - 2012-02-15 10:17

      But they need lots of time off to commit crimes part-time!!

      John - 2012-02-15 10:29

      Yeah, and the other burning question would be, who is going to probe the idiots in parliament responsible for the vast array of empty benches we have to contend with every sitting?

      Vincent - 2012-02-15 10:45

      Hi Sharon, you are right where I work you are allowed 30 days in a 3 year cycle

      Whitty - 2012-02-15 10:56

      And we should be having police waiting at the Doctors surgeries not at the schools.Cut off sick pay for minor ailments and come and shake my hand after 60 days.

      Candice - 2012-02-15 11:39

      Sharon the minimum days are 36.. its at the employers discreation how much they actually give an employee :)

      Wendy - 2012-02-15 11:54

      The 36 days sick-leave is for those who work a 6 day week. If they work a 5 day week the legal minimum is 30 days. In other words, the law allows minimum sick leave of the number of days that you work in 6 weeks spread over 3 years. The question here is what is in their contracts? They can give more, as many organisations do, but no-one gives carte blanche to take as much as you want.

      Willie - 2012-02-15 15:29

      SOLUTION: Let the state General Physician declare them unfit to work early retirement,the nonsense will stop

      Wendy - 2012-02-15 16:20

      No, Willie, that is definitely not the answer. All that does is unnecessarily drain the pension fund - if medically unfit, they would probably retire on the sort of pension that they would get at normal retirement age. They should be dismissed for incapacity.

  • MSGRule - 2012-02-15 09:26

    77 days in a year. and then 21 normal leave so 30% for the year thse guys are nto working and get promoted. We are in serious trouble

      Marion - 2012-02-15 09:39

      Don't forget the family leave they are entitled to and maternity leave and (I think) paternity leave. Bet they were never sick on a public holiday though!!

  • Lucky Manaswe - 2012-02-15 09:35

    This is almost the number of days pupils have the whole year in school recess.

  • Marion - 2012-02-15 09:37

    Shocking. Made me laugh though. Firstly wording of heading and secondly the fact that the MP reckons some of them should have died already cos there isn't a part of their body that hasn't been sick. Wish I'd had 77 days paid sick leave per annum when I was in the corporate world.

  • Mhlophe - 2012-02-15 09:46

    Corrupt doctors have been bothering the private sector for ages, would be nice if they were investigated for that as well. Why not do a little investigation on you absent members when they are booked off sick, visit them at home and see if they are there? Try some hidden camera stuff and get their licences revoked.

      John - 2012-02-15 10:53

      What Doctors? I can show you a Sangoma Notes if you want. In South Africa traditional medicine examination is accepted. WEIRD !!!

      Chris - 2012-02-15 14:07

      Officers visited chronic sick members when I was in the Police years ago. Maybe the officers are always off-sick as well!

  • Trevor - 2012-02-15 09:49

    There is no more pride in the workforce

      John - 2012-02-15 10:56

      Exactly Trevor! Now we need the advert "You watching your clock everyday, but im watching my salary every month". That explains everything.

  • nkosiab - 2012-02-15 09:51

    Its usually becomes a problem when someone is really

  • Freddie - 2012-02-15 09:51

    These are supposed to be healthy, physically fit people so they can apprehend suspects?? As for investigating the doctors... they should start in Fordsburg in Jozi, some of my staff make regular use of a certain trio of brothers there. Cheap sick notes, without even seeing the "Doc'.

  • Tebogo - 2012-02-15 09:56

    “As a matter of fact there are people in the department who, according to the sick leave register are supposed to have died, because there isn’t any part of their body that has not been ill,” Chikunga said. lmao

      Lucky Manaswe - 2012-02-15 10:02

      Hahahaha they probably recovered just like Shaik did. Maybe we have the best docs in the world lol

      Wendy - 2012-02-15 11:59

      Lucky - have you never heard of the curative powers of Golf?;-)

  • Chris - 2012-02-15 10:02

    Three months a year on sick leave. They will obviously take their annual leave as well. Working (or pretending to work)only 8 months a year . No wonder crime is spiraling out of control.

      Freddie - 2012-02-15 10:09

      Working 8 months a year? I wonder how much work they actually do when even in the office. You will probably find their department functions better when they are not there.

  • Mattewis - 2012-02-15 10:05

    I suppose if the top-level ANC leadership set a proper example, they likely would be having much less trouble with the same at grass roots level! Was it only last week that a police officer pitched up at work so intoxicated that he had to shuffle in on his bum? This apparently also occurring at a police station where another officer was previously dismissed for insisting to work according to SAPS regulations? Around & around the corruption goes, when & where it will stop nobody knows!

  • braamc - 2012-02-15 10:07

    They are rubbish, lazy useless and corrupt

  • James - 2012-02-15 10:08

    Little piglets on their way to the spit braai... hopefully. But let's be honest, they don't have the best role models to turn to do they - it seems the whole of the SAPS is riddled with corrupt, lazy, ignorant and violent thugs from the top to the bottom... who would've thought?

  • Graham - 2012-02-15 10:16

    If you look at the past and current leadership are you surprised?

  • Graham - 2012-02-15 10:17

    Someone needs to probe the MP's they are probably worse!

  • Gavin - 2012-02-15 10:22

    Have you seen the size of the Cops and Traffic cops these days ? They are so big I'm not surprised they take some much time off, just standing around waiting for your next bribe, must tire you out to the extent that you need to take as much sick leave as possible. Is there a part of the government that actually functions efficiently ?

      Roelof van der Merwe - 2012-02-15 10:29

      yes, SARS are working fine

  • criticallyhonest - 2012-02-15 10:26

    All part of the sickness!!!!!!! One can only wonder about the value systems working at the police stations that will influence the late for school kids. One day SA will wake up to economic realities such as are being experienced in Greece (amongst other countries)...take cover!

  • Erik Fourie - 2012-02-15 10:28

    this country is f@#ked. they all are some lazy parisites.

  • Stephen - 2012-02-15 10:28

    Fire the station commander and the next coomand tier! That's what would happen in a private enterprise.

  • roger.verrall - 2012-02-15 10:30

    How easy is it for a doctor to refuse a "sick note" to someone where he can't actually find anything wrong? The "patient" is claiming to be in pain or otherwise sick - does the doctor dare say - "you are talking rubbish" even if he / she is quite sure that it is a false claim...

  • sefeddt - 2012-02-15 10:34

    Whats the odds that they are members of POPCRU, so no action can be taken against them.

  • SM1012 - 2012-02-15 10:38

    It's about time you take the ownership of your Govt not only in the SAPS. I've noticed in numerous Govt Dept too...being unemployed and the next hing you hear about lazy people who abuse the benefit for just getting paid...what a shame. It's about time our Banana country CHANGE.

  • naude.andrea - 2012-02-15 10:42

    This is so sad and true. What do we expect if their Boss is also suspended? And they think they own this country the way they operate and handle cases and the public. The force should be totally overhauled and the doctors should be investigated by their minister and suspended too.

  • Tmaub - 2012-02-15 10:45

    So we need a watchdog on every corner. What does this say about us as a nation? That's why our national soccer team cannot qualify for anything anymore. Look at ASA.

  • Dale - 2012-02-15 10:50

    The police are there to protect and serve but it seems that they like the goverment only seem to look out for themselves and their interests. How are we supposed to feel safe in the country when our police are useless, selfish and corrupt.

  • zs5zk - 2012-02-15 10:50

    I`ve got a JOB and get my pay.wether I do my duties and HOW I do it or not,I STILL get my PAY,so F@ck the people who I have to SERVE and shall do so for the rest of my career, just wash along with the flow,the SAME ATTITUDE in all levels of Government.

  • burger.hoon - 2012-02-15 10:53

    If goverment ran their offices like corporate companies South Africa would be so much better off than what they currently are. But unfortunately the culture off poor work ethics remain

  • Candice - 2012-02-15 11:41

    The gauteng provincial government's sap system controls their sick leave by very strict system controls enforcing the "correct" use of their polices

  • bad spike - 2012-02-15 12:30

    Once again, blame someone else. The patient went to the doctor, not the other way around.

  • Gerhard - 2012-02-15 12:40

    Why doesn't Zuma commit suicide. The only thing he does, just like Mugabe, is overseeing the destruction of this country.

  • les.cunningham1 - 2012-02-15 13:09

    @Vincent, You are correct. That is in terms of the BCEA. Sharon, why are the cops allowed 36 days?

  • VoiceOfReason - 2012-02-15 14:21

    If I was in charge then all instances where it can not be proved as legitimate time off sick I'd deduct 4 days wages from the officer (1 as leave without pay, 1 as a fine, 2 to cover the cost of paying another officer to do their job). I would then fine the doctor 10 days the policeman's wages as a fine. That should nip it in the bud.

  • Rene - 2012-02-15 14:25

    This report is not accurate. I have a friend that is stationed at Maitland SAPS and you have one irate Detective right now!

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