Madonsela 'caught Cabinet off guard'

2011-07-20 12:01

Johannesburg - Cabinet was caught off-guard at Public Protector Thuli Madonsela's release of a probe into allegedly unlawful lease agreements for police office space, government spokesperson Jimmy Manyi was quoted as saying in the Cape Times on Wednesday.

“The executive is disadvantaged right now,” Manyi said.

After Madonsela’s release in February of her first report, Against the Rules, which found a multimillion-rand lease for new Pretoria police headquarters to be unlawful and invalid, Justice Minister Jeff Radebe and Cabinet secretary Cassius Lubisi agreed with Madonsela that she would first conclude a separate probe into the proposed Durban police headquarters building.

The Cabinet would then deal with both reports and their recommendations at the same time.

No time

“Now she has decided to do it publicly. Quite frankly, she did it in a manner that was not anticipated by the Cabinet. The executive has not had the time to look at the report and apply its mind and the public is already making pronouncements on what should be done,” Manyi said.

Both reports relate to lease agreements between the department of public works, the police and businessman Roux Shabangu.

She could have managed the timing of the report better by first submitting the Durban report to the Cabinet before making it public, he said.

Her second report, titled Against the Rules Too, was received by the presidency on Thursday, the same day she made her findings public. In that report she said the lease agreed to was three times the going rate and processes had also been improper. It would cost to R1.1bn over 10 years.

“It’s in the public domain with various (people) commentating on it already. We can’t stop that now,” Manyi said. “The public is pronouncing on the matter, while the real people who the report is asking to do something get the report at the same time as the public.”


As far as the government was concerned, those implicated were “innocent”, he said.

The first dealt with a lease for the Middestad building for police headquarters in Pretoria, in which Madonsela also found that processes leading up to the agreement for the R604m lease were improper.

She said the accounting officers in each department were responsible and these were National Police Commissioner Bheki Cele and Public Works Minister Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde.

Manyi said that by making the reports public, “undue pressure” had been exerted upon the executive, and those implicated in the reports were being prejudiced.

“How much prejudice has this caused for the persons implicated? This was not the perfect route ... to be blunt,” said Manyi.

ANC treasurer-general Mathews Phosa told Independent Newspapers Parliament should first consider the reports and decide what action should be taken.

A media conference where Cele was expected to have responded to the report, was cancelled twice this week.

  • Will99 - 2011-07-20 12:07

    Oh sure! Let your cabinet see the reports first so you can tone it down or let it get lost then make threats against the PP. And it makes a damn lot of sense that Bheki and Gwen are innocent, but they signed it off. You ass!

      McDaNife - 2011-07-20 12:20

      'As far as the government was concerned, those implicated were “innocent”, he said', show us one innocent politician in the cabinet. Okay there might be a few who are dedicated to their task but the rest they need to be replaced.

      myancmyfutur - 2011-07-20 12:29

      But she can't release the report to the Public and the Cabinet/Presidency at the same time and we expect the Cabinet/Presidency to respond the same day. This still needs to be sent to legal advisers and there may be questions and clarities that will be required from the PP. Though I agree that the Presidency needs to act on the report but He needs time to study the report as well as the PP's conduct in the whole matter.

      saabnut - 2011-07-20 12:39

      “The executive is disadvantaged right now,” Manyi said. Yeah right- you mean thge cabinet has not yet finalised it's coverup plan, nor decided which senior post the twit is now going to be promoted to! The ANC is a disgrace to the terms transparency and democracy.

      Rolie - 2011-07-20 12:44


      Advocate - 2011-07-20 12:55

      myancmyfutur, how time does the prez need to study this report? News paper editors studied it in a matter of hours, or is this another example of how efficient the private sector is in comparison to the public sector. Then the public servants think they should earn the same as those in the private sector. Incompentence from the top all the way down.

      Pencilgraffiti - 2011-07-20 13:11

      I agree with myancmyfutur... Obviously they need to study and make a plan. This is VERY BAD PR for our government and they need time to come to terms and make a decision BUT Manyi in the meantime CANNOT blame Thuli for going public. That was the only way she wouldn't be intimidated to change her findings. AND as long as Cele and Gwen don't want to come forward with statements the media has all the right in the world to execute them. They are not being investigated.. they have been and were found GUILTY

      Dominic - 2011-07-20 13:21

      Public Works Minister Gwen Mahlangu-Nkabinde got a copy of the report for her comment long before it was published. Her responses are part of the final report. She, by the way, is a member of the cabinet so if they were caught unawares - whose fault is that?

      myancmyfutur - 2011-07-20 13:25

      @ Advocate, we need to agree that newspaper editors can drive half the world just to get to this story, they can sacrifice all they have on their table to look to this story and do not need to apply their mines but just to highlight exciting parts on the report. You're not sure if any of them has studied the full report or they're just basing the stories on the PP's brief. The President will: 1. Study the report 2. Refer it to the Justice Minister 3. Seek clarities from the PP 4. Refer it the Minister of Police and seek clarities 5. Refer it to the Minister of Public works and seek clarities 6. Forward it to the Police commissioner and seek clarities 7. Refer it for legal advice 8. Seek further clarities from the PP 9. Discuss it with cabinet 10.Make a pronouncement Take it into consideration that all these Ministeries may also seek legal advice before reporting to back to the President. This can take up to 2 months and even more.

      Alta - 2011-07-20 13:28

      @ myancmyfutur. PUBLIC is the word here. We the PUBLIC have every right to know what is being done with our tax.!!!!!!!!

      SomeLogic - 2011-07-20 13:28

      @ myancmyfutur... with all the corruption going on it is highly likely that the report would have been tampered with or we would have waited years to know what is in the report because of "approval processes". The public has the right to know whatever the PP reports... Cabinet can still send the report to all their advisors and respond. In a poll between Government and the PP, I vote for the PP!! She has my support, if she keeps up the good work.

      Dominic - 2011-07-20 13:45

      CABINET ministers (of public works and of finance) received the provisional report and responded in writing on 23 June. Almost three weeks before the final report was published.

      Marcell - 2011-07-20 13:54

      She is the PUBLIC PROTECTOR. She presented her findings to the PUBLIC. Now the thieves have to answer to the PUBLIC.

      myancmyfutur - 2011-07-20 13:55

      @ Alta, I agree with you 100% on the Public issue but the point in question as Manyi states is that the report was released to the Public at the same time it was submitted to the Presidency and everyone's expectations was that by the time Madonsela finishes with her press release then the President should have acted on the report. Hence I echoed Manyi's statement that the President will need time to study the report and ask relevant question and seek clarities to all those listed on the report before drawing conclusions on it. @ Some Logic. that's the process the Presidency is still engage in now and there may be a lot of intereaction between the dept befpre the matter is finalised. @Dominic, the response was on the provisional report now people need to respond on the final report

      Will99 - 2011-07-20 14:17

      @myancmmyfutur: what kind of a profile name is this anyway? And what do they need to study??? There is a reason why they are called PUBLIC PROTECTOR and not corruption protection genius!

      saabnut - 2011-07-20 14:19

      @ myancmyfutur. The word is gullible, pal. The ANC government is pulling ALL the strings, including those of the "Public Protector". They knew long before she released the report EXACTLY what it contained. Only problem is their hairbrained plot to discredit her backfired, and there is no backup plan. To put it another way, the gravy dyke is leaking, and no little boy has yet stuck his finger in the hole- they are still looking for the fall guy... Go figure!

      Dominic - 2011-07-20 14:21

      @myancmyfutur thanks for your civil and measured responses. My comments are a response to the implication of the 'unawares' word. The preliminary report was completed 25 October 2010 (10 months ago). The essence of the report has not changed that much hence its title; "Against the rules TOO". To me it's amazing that though it was decided not to act on the preliminary report pending the final report - that there seems to have been no preparation for action, should the final report confirm the preliminary one. To claim to be 'unawares' is in itself an indication of incompetence or even maladministration at Cabinet level. This isn't a little phone-hacking scandal by some small-time private detective. It's about maladministration and a strong possibility of bribery of our top law enforcer.

      SomeLogic - 2011-07-20 14:31

      @ myancmyfutur So... the PP writes a report full of ugly things about "high profile" people. Then sends it to Parly for scrutiny... lol. Nope. She did right. Let us (the public) know the ugly stuff before sending reports to Parly... I believe the PP will not write damaging stuff in a report, which was not verfied or based on some substance...therefor it does not seem that Cabinet must "approve" the obvious truth in the report. So again... why not make the report public before Cabinet scrutiny? To protect those named?

      myancmyfutur - 2011-07-20 16:23

      @Will99, we are having a frank discussion that I'm happy with now don't divert it to profile names, we don't account to you about those and I wont respond to the rest of your statement because I don't understand it pal. @ Some Logic, The PP's report will not be submitted to the branches of the ANC or Luthuli house, we all need to differentiate between party aand state. All I'm saying good people is that the Presidency must be given at least between 3 to 60 months to conclude on the matter before we start pushing panic buttons. As a matter of fact I also think if the President is satisfied with the PP' s report then He should fire the 2 but He needs time to study and refer it to His legal team and criminal investigations must be instituted.

      Worldwise - 2011-07-20 19:49

      Myancmyfuture, "The cabinet needs between 3 to 60 months (Thats 5 years!) to respond to a report." There will have been an alection within that time! Are you and the ANC nuts? Hope the defence force doesn't react within 3 to 60 months to consider a report that the country is being attacked. No wonder the police take so long to respond when a crime is reported.

      KrayZee - 2011-07-21 07:27

      @myancmyfutur - The salient fact of the matter is: The PUBLIC protector has exposed wrong-doing by public officials who should have known that their actions were unlawful. If they were not sure in the first place, they should never have carried out these actions without seeking appropriate advice. So what if this report was made public at the same time as it was handed to the authorities? This does not change the fact that unlawful actions were taken by public officials. What is does do is give the public the right information at the right time to be able to decide if the action that will be taken is appropriate. After all, are they not DEMOCRATICALLY elected servants of the PUBLIC ("the people shall govern")? As for Manyi... we all know he has an oversupply of stupid - exposed once again in the comments he vomited up in connection with this debacle.

      Cheq - 2011-07-26 16:11

      All these idiots were mistakes born to this earth, unfortunately we going to have to live with these mistakes or destroy them completely.... This Manyi guy must have been born with a stupidity syndrome and damn it's spreading faster than aids....

      Peter Smith - 2011-07-26 16:32

      yeah ANC cadreployments are assumed to be innocent until announced to be innocent innocent... what utterly transparent corrupt neposites. do they think they have any credibility left?

  • melchiedek - 2011-07-20 12:07

    you would have prefered to be notified first so that you can threaten her tough luck........she is always one step ahead of you lazy manyi......hahahahahaha!!!!!!!!

      Marcell - 2011-07-20 13:53

      They always are ready and have enough time to steal and waste our money but when they have to take responsibility for their action it is a different matter.

  • Bloodbane - 2011-07-20 12:11

    LOL they really are brilliant, everyone else have known about this for ages, but they where caught off guard.

      melchiedek - 2011-07-20 12:29

      how the hell does he even know that they are innocent................he is taking us for a ride die moegoe

      Andrew - 2011-07-20 12:39

      If crimes have been committed and there is evidence, then it is not a matter that needs to go before the cabinet but before a judge!!! It's time to lay charges against those that are corrupt!!!

  • Rev. H-Cubed - 2011-07-20 12:13

    There is no "undue pressure". The pressure is way overdue, quite frankly, and as for the "real people", well, newsflash Jimmy, that would be us, the citizens. If the executive was "caught off guard", then it means that they were actually caught sleeping at the wheel, and who needs leaders like that?

  • SAGirl - 2011-07-20 12:14

    Why should Thuli conduct her investigations in a way "anticipated by cabinet"? To give you corrupt idiots the chance to hide all implicating evidence? She is the PUBLIC protector so making her findings public is part of her job. If there is nothing to hide why all the concern?

  • Currie_Mafia - 2011-07-20 12:15

    I was caught off guard with my hands in the cookie jar & crumbs on my face...

  • paul.duplessis - 2011-07-20 12:15

    Let the public know and let the public make pronouncements as it is the public who pay (Manyi's salary included)

      umlaut - 2011-07-20 12:40

      That is why they want to nationalize the mines, then they can say the mines belong to the state and the mines are paying for the salaries of the dictators.

  • Met - 2011-07-20 12:17

    And wait for it, they need 10 yrs "to apply their "minds" (sic)

      FRpower - 2011-07-20 12:25

      LOL,its going to take loads of brain storming i hope they dont over do it.This will be a 10 minute session and they will all be lost and go for lunch.A looooooonnnng lunch on the tax payer.

      camdrone - 2011-07-20 12:45

      didn't know they had minds, thought they were all sheep

      Greybeard - 2011-07-20 13:02

      The contents of this report have been public knowledge for 3 weeks or more. Their problem is simple, they are running out of ways to hide their RAMPANT corruption. There is grease on the steps boys & girls, tread CAREFULLY.

  • Ederik - 2011-07-20 12:18

    They were caught with their hands in the cookie jar!

      Smindlo - 2011-07-20 15:07

      the hands never get out of the cookie jar anyway!!!!!

  • Dave - 2011-07-20 12:23

    This is one smart lady. She probably did this quite deliberately so the reports couldnt be hidden!

  • Sir Charles - 2011-07-20 12:25

    We did not have time to study the reports, but all those implicated were innocent - Nice !!!!

  • Dan - 2011-07-20 12:27

    Typical of the corrupt ANC government. Already covering for their pals, just like the eapons deal. Makes me sick. Why must the Public Protector first report to government? So that they can sweep everything under the carpet again. Her making the reports public maybe just saved her bacon as everyone now knows what's going on. They can't really dispose of her now that the reports are public. If those reports were given to government and not released, they would have silenced her in no time.

  • Dan - 2011-07-20 12:29

    Really a sad day for a democracy when the entire country has no respect for its government and even less for their president.

      WhoCaresNotI - 2011-07-20 12:55

      @Dan. Actually it is a good day for democracy. Now the voters just need to make their vote count by voting for another party (Government). Will this happen? I will bet a week’s salary that in the next election the same party will be voted in again to continue with this poor excuse of Governing

      York Hunt - 2011-07-20 12:57

      Democracy in SA is more like as Mob Rule...

      HONKY101 - 2011-07-20 13:10

      And no respect for Jimmy !!

      Marcell - 2011-07-20 13:59

      Dan: Respect is EARNED. Have they earned it yet? Can any man have respect for something like jz?

  • ikabot - 2011-07-20 12:30

    It's a Coloured conspiracy against Gwen and Field Marshal Cele, I tell you. :)

  • Vernon - 2011-07-20 12:32

    WTF this has been common knowledge for how long now.Non so blind as those who want yo see.

  • Ryan Tunney - 2011-07-20 12:33

    Seems like she also caught Cele off guard.

  • MetEishYa - 2011-07-20 12:33

    Ha, ha. "Caught off guard" more likely the reality of "caught with pants down"

      King Solomon - 2011-07-20 13:15

      Caught with pants down. Wasn't that JZ?

  • BokomoWeetbi - 2011-07-20 12:34

    Mr. Visagie, why are you threatening this poor women? Chris (Anchor) "Mr. Visagie....Nooooo Mr. Visagie! ''Don’t! Don’t you dare interupTING me'' Mr. Visagie, ''afternoon thank you bye'' "Don't touch me on my studio". "I am not finished with you yet".

      Gore - 2011-07-20 12:58


  • amdisgusted - 2011-07-20 12:34

    Manyi - the man who only knows the word 'disadvantaged'. Madonsela's life would have been over if she only gave the report to Parliament. I salute her on her tactics, as she has to protect herself. If Cele and Mahlangu-Nkabinde were innocent, why are they named in the report? This Manyi is the one that messed up the UIF by putting a moratorium on UIF claims - where one can only draw uif benefits every four years - now it is recession and nothing has been done to reverse this monstrosity of a decision taken by a 'disadvantaged person'. Now I ask you what is the use of having a uif, if it doesn't work for the citizens, yet it is compulsory to pay UIF. Surely, in this economic climate, the unemployed should be able to draw their accruals in the meantime, while looking for work. Thanks for the increase in criminals - disadvantage manyi. COSATU, if you are so much for the people, why aren't you doing anything about this? Also, from studies, I picked up that it is illegal for a union and political party to have an alliance, anybody want to please check up on this!!! Also, I would like to know WHAT UNDUE PRESSURE has been exerted on the executive? Can't they read or reason or whatever? They are paid for the positions they are upholding, so they MUST handle the pressure, unless they also failed matric. This was the perfect route for Madonsela (I love this lady), that is why she is still with us in person today. Keep up the EXCELLENT WORK Madame Public Prosecutor!!!!!!!!!!!

  • HowardX - 2011-07-20 12:35

    Translation: they didn't have time to cover it up or create a PR spin. Any guesses on how much longer Madonsela will last as public protector?

      Hempo - 2011-07-20 13:02

      Sad to say probably not too long.

      Benzo - 2011-07-20 17:00

      I do hope she survives the accident scene. Did she get the protection she asked for? Hope not, could be one of 'THEM'. Look after yourself, lady, you are all alone in this.

  • BokomoWeetbi - 2011-07-20 12:36

    @Manyi - “Rubbish is what you have covered in that trousers”

  • otto pretorius - 2011-07-20 12:37

    They weren't caught af guard.. THEY WERE CAUGHT. Renting from their friends at high prises and lets not forget, a cut will go to someone.... Corruption, corruption, it corruption leagal now in SA??????

  • JHF - 2011-07-20 12:37

    Reason being caught off-guard is that the public has the right to know what is going on and not just the goverment. Goverment delay information intentional from public to protect corrupt cadres. It is very simple: Release the report as it was done by Madonsela and do not tampre with it.

  • Mad Dog - 2011-07-20 12:38

    The release of the reports was probably done to save her life! She did the right thing. The REAL people are the PUBLIC! The government does what it is told! That is called democracy.

  • Advocate - 2011-07-20 12:39

    Maybe, if the MP's attend parlaiment and dont sleep while they're there, or read a newspaper, once in while, they would have known about this weeks ago, and we may have had a new, credible, chief op police already

  • Tokkel Loshi - 2011-07-20 12:40

    You mean no time to cover it up !!

  • Piet Opperman - 2011-07-20 12:40

    So the Public Protector's report should not have been made public? Read my lips Jimmy Manyi: PUBLIC Protector, not your stooge!

  • Ann - 2011-07-20 12:41

    Cabinet sits around all day twiddling it's thumbs, they have been threatened with a number of fines if they don't attend parliament, so what's the problem. Can't they collectively come up with a better excuse than this ridiculous one?!!

  • Paulo - 2011-07-20 12:43

    Ja thats fresh Jimmy it's not like its the frist time and it won't be the last time you and co will be caught off guard!

  • tkotze - 2011-07-20 12:49

    "Manyi said that by making the reports public, “undue pressure” had been exerted upon the executive,..." LOL, complaining that this caused unnecessary pressure on ANC, oops government, to act on corruption/fraud?! I really prefer this approach to one where the ANC, oops government, can let something go on for years "putting their minds to it" to decide what to do about it while the individuals continue doing what they did...

  • observer - 2011-07-20 12:50

    The public protector is doing an absolutely fabulous job! Thank goodness for one upstanding public servant. The problem with government is that there absolutely no display of accountability by the leadership. It's spin, spin, spin. Until they can stand up in a mature way and say, we admit we are in the wrong and then do something about it, South Africa will remain a banana republic.

  • umlaut - 2011-07-20 12:56

    They are all so corrupt they are constantly involved in a battle with the citizens out there to try and excuse their corruptness and to hide it. It is all so unnatural and bizarre. There is no normality in any sphere of our society. The whole country is going to experience mental illness the way they are conducting themselves and the influence this conduct is having on our state of mind. The public prosecuter will have to employ private trustworthy security firms as to protect her because with this bizarre government her life is in danger. They have double trouble with Willie Hofmeyer because he is also honest and he is WHITE.

  • Vincent - 2011-07-20 12:56

    Africa here we come

  • call a spade - 2011-07-20 12:58

    YES YES YES I am so proud off this lady. She did this on purpose to prevent the corrupt thieves to stop her from going public. She also protected herself by doing this, now the thugs can do NOTHING against her without put a lot of dirt on themselves. She should join the DA where all people with brains belong and leave the idiots , like old Thsepo with the gangsters. WHOAAAAAAAA Thuli for President.

  • thefeather - 2011-07-20 13:03

    "Apply our minds" seems to be the new catch-phrase in this eccentric government of ours. Some may call that an oxymoron. Previously it was reported that Cele "couldn't wait" to tell his side of the story and that he insists he has done nothing wrong. Now this comes out....just the usual BS political rhetoric comoeng from the ivory towers. How anyone in their right mind actually believes a single word that Manyi spews forth is beyond me.

  • Gore - 2011-07-20 13:05

    The cabinet (read President) needs time to consider. Just like the time he is still considering what to do with the Minister Of Cooperative Government (Shiceka). Remember him, the one who flew around the world to visit a jailed girlfriend in prison on taxpayers account. What happened to that issue Manyi - oh still considering what to do...

  • Sisie - 2011-07-20 13:05

    She was saying 14th July all the time. What are you a bunch of brain dead morons. Or were you just trying to shove the report into the waste bin before it was actually noticed, and then come up and say there was nothing wrong with said procurement's.

  • Norman DePluhm - 2011-07-20 13:09

    That's her job Jimmy, she did it properly, which is a SA guv rarity. You're a spin doctor and a right winger, and you can't even get those quite right...

  • King Solomon - 2011-07-20 13:13

    Cele and company are guilty as hell and trying to concoct a BS story to cover themselves.

  • crackerr - 2011-07-20 13:14

    “The executive is disadvantaged right now,” Manyi said. ______________________________________________________________________ How? Just explain the allegations and findings and we will be happy if the explanation is satisfactory. What would be different if the report was not made public? Manyi must explain the difference. All excuses to take action against democracy and freedom friendly institutions and holders of such positions. Lately we start hearing that reporting by the media is the same as sensationalism. Pattern? This country belongs to the public. The public and the country are not the property of the politicians or other elites. The so-called concerns about the prejudice to the executive and the so-called sensationalism labeling are all smoke and mirrors to protect the undeserving and incompetent politicians and elites.

  • SACitizen999 - 2011-07-20 13:15

    She's the PUBLIC protector. Her duty is to protect the PUBLIC so of course we should have received the report on Thursday as well.

  • Chris - 2011-07-20 13:16

    The statement "We have, I fear, confused power with greatness. -Stewart I. Udall, politician (1920-2010" fits Jimmy Manyi like a lick of body paint in a body painting competition. The man is clearly confused by the power he has been handed and will continue to obfuscate issues by sprouting absolute infantile nonsense.

  • The Third Wors - 2011-07-20 13:18

    Yes, of course.

  • rmohlapudi - 2011-07-20 13:18

    I think Madonsela was right to put the report on the public domain before taking it to the cabinet, i also think she knew it was going to be suppressed and torn apart so that the corruption can take its high way again, I say job well done Madonsela, that is what you were hired to do!!!

  • crackerr - 2011-07-20 13:20

    Surely the public has the right to know what is taking place and to form their own opinions as to the suitability of public officials. If public servants and politicians don't like it they must get out of public service. It is madness to think that the rest of society must adjust to the whims of the high flyers. Our democracy and freedoms are far more important than the benefit of secured positions to the elites.

  • 50something - 2011-07-20 13:22

    “The executive is disadvantaged right now,” Manyi said. Hahahahahaha. They did not have time to get their lies ready Good for you Thuli Madonsela, caught them with their pants down (no pun intended, we know the toilets are still open.) They prefer to keep this out of the public domain for as long as possible to make their lies as beliveable as possible.

  • Hangmann - 2011-07-20 13:23

    What a palooka. He's not saying he didn't know about the corruption, just that he was caught offguard at it being made public. Now he says he has to "apply his mind". Bravo Zulu Madonsela.

  • Normaldude - 2011-07-20 13:26

    How can the executive apply theirs minds , They are blocks of wood

  • Phaedioux - 2011-07-20 13:35

    What a refreshing and delightful way for Thuli to not only go 'one up' on this dreadful government, but to also protect herself and put the government on the defensive immediately! I take my hat off to you Madam - we need more of your kind in the land of officialdom! Manyi and his utterances are insignificant - after his last few debacles nobody pays him any attention anyway - what we are looking forward to now is that the likes of Zuma and Mthethwa have to 'pull finger' and effectively take action on this matter pronto! If they don't, their reputations and standing will take a huge dive.

  • GerryC - 2011-07-20 13:36

    If cabinet had seen the report first it wold have gone the same way as the report on the arms deal, sent to the bathrooms to use as toilet paper.Mr Manyi and I use the term "Mr" loosely in your case, if these people who have been elected by the people of this country had been doing the job they were appointed in then this report would have had no impact but because these people continue to line their own back pockets with our money they now sit rather red faced with their hands in the proverbial coockie jar - be afraid Mr Manyi both black and white people of this country are tired of being raped by the people in power.