Magistrate: Blacks get harsher punishment

2012-03-27 10:05

Johannesburg - A Pretoria magistrate has said black people have to pay more bail than whites, and are effectively receiving harsher punishments than whites who have committed the same offences.

Magistrate Ndileka Ndamase made the statement in the Hatfield district court on Monday, during the bail application of Carol Smith, Beeld newspaper reported.

She wrote on the charge sheet that blacks who stole items worth under R1 000 were granted bail of between R1 000 and R2 000.

"[On] the other hand, white people who commit serious offences are released with a warning, or on bail of under R1 000," Ndamase wrote.

Smith, who is accused of cashing a fraudulent cheque of R30 000 at an Absa branch, was effectively denied bail.

Magistrate ‘prejudiced’

Smith's lawyer, Mariette Jansen van Vuuren, told Beeld the State had not opposed bail, and that the docket had not been brought to court.

"The magistrate had a problem with the confirmation of my client's address, but her [Smith's] husband gave a statement and rendered proof of residence," Jansen van Vuuren said.

Ndamase insisted on the submission of police confirmation of Smith's proof of residence, and effectively refused bail on these grounds.

"My client is being disadvantaged because Ndamase is prejudiced against her," Jansen van Vuuren said.

In February 2010, the Pretoria News reported that Ndamase faced 42 charges of misconduct, including allegedly sleeping in court.

Beeld reported Ndamase and Jansen van Vuuren earlier had an altercation in the same court, due to Ndamase addressing the court in isiXhosa, instead of English.

  • Napolita - 2012-03-27 10:16

    On the basis of FACTS or PRECEDENCE, is true that "black people have to pay more bail than whites, and are effectively receiving harsher punishments than whites who have committed the same offences."?

      Marion - 2012-03-27 10:21

      @Napolita - Did you perhaps omit the word 'it' between 'is' and 'true'?

      Napolita - 2012-03-27 10:51

      Oops thanks Marion indeed I made a mistake; I should have had the word "IT" between "is" and "true". Thank you very much.

      Kevin - 2012-03-27 14:40

      Well they use up more of the tax money

      Hugh - 2012-03-28 08:18

      Amazingly what is forgotten these days is by far the majority of magistrates appear to my eye to be Black. So the point this man is making is rather moot. I feel that this magistrate has a brick sized chip on his shoulder.

  • NrGx - 2012-03-27 10:16

    how can a magistrate deny bail on one case, because he believes blacks get harsher sentences on other cases. Surely he should know that you cant be prejudiced on a case becasue4 of your own different views on other cases (that have no relevance to the case at hand). I think this woman should lay a charge of racial profiling against him. If one can go to jail for improper language in a gym, one should go to jail for similar utterances made in a court of law!

      linda.mthembu - 2012-03-27 11:31

      "Ndamase insisted on the submission of police confirmation of Smith's proof of residence, and effectively refused bail on these grounds."

      NrGx - 2012-03-27 11:51

      ...but her [Smith's] husband gave a statement and rendered proof of residence," So on what grounds was the bail denied.....??? Grounds of prejudice and racism!

  • Arthur - 2012-03-27 10:21

    42 cases of misconduct? How is she still in court working? Surely she should have been fired a long time ago?

      mfrater - 2012-03-27 10:49

      My thoughts exactly. But alas, she is black and paid by government, this means no matter how crap you are at your job, its ok, we'll still pay you to stuff it up even more, why? Because you are black and this is SA, we will let you continue to leech the country because of a failed system that was removed two decades ago. When will the madness end!?

      Wimpie.Haefele - 2012-03-27 12:03

      You must have meant promoted, it is the way of our government (sarcasm)

      Felix - 2012-03-27 12:12

      Probably got to where she is thanks to incompetence, Dilbert/Peter principal anyone?

      Martin - 2012-03-27 12:14

      Don't really think her race is that big a concern. If any magistrate falls asleep during a case they should be dismissed.

      Shirley - 2012-03-27 13:21

      The same way the school principle received his salary for 7 years after caught stealing-inept,thief,racist-as long as youi are in the party its ok!

      Schmee - 2012-03-27 13:30

      Hau, they can't fire her, she is the token black magistrate.

      Hansie - 2012-03-28 05:51

      shes black

  • JungleJim - 2012-03-27 10:22

    i must ask however why this magristrate talks about other crimes which has nothing to do with this case. something sound funny here

      Vicker - 2012-03-27 11:39

      Nothing funny at all - just a pathetic AA appointment who is unprofessional and rascist, and who takes each oppurtunity to take it out on any whites who (stupidly) find themselves in her court...

  • Freddie - 2012-03-27 10:22

    What a racist fool. She should be removed from the courts immediately.

      Gerald - 2012-03-27 11:17

      Polio donkey Do you mean to tell me that Herschelle is White

  • richard.hipkin - 2012-03-27 10:26

    Wait! Let me try this since it seems everyone is doing it... When "black people" blink purple bubbles come out their ears and when "white people blink" yellow bubbles come out their nose! See, anyone can just throw around the biggest rubbish out there, throw the words black and white, make sure to emphasis that "white people" are different and even more privileged and that "black people" are oppressed and victimised.. Now, 40 million "black people" will now hate the 4 million "white people"... Job done.

  • lavida.locca - 2012-03-27 10:26

    Ndileka r u sure u not Mugabes daughter.....

  • amananga - 2012-03-27 10:27

    There are quite a number of inconsistencies in the justice system and we need to face the facts though Ndamase's utterances could be perceived as inappropriate they are not complete nonsense.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-27 10:39

      Er, no they are...

      Amused - 2012-03-27 10:40

      Not sure i can agree. I am certain that there are issues around fairness in the legal system, but this is a global issue, and is a bit of a chicken and egg situation, because on the one hand black people appear to get the rough end of the stick when it comes to justice, on the other hand they are more likely to offend, more likely to abscond, and more likely to re-offend. This issue ironically also plays out the same in both Europe and the USA. What is absolute is that we are all entitled to the same justice irrespective of the colour of our skin. If bail is being set too low for whites then magistrates have the power to increase it. For a black magistrate to punish a white defendent because other magistrates, whom the defendent has no control over, dont behave in a way the magistrate likes is offensive to justice. Given her apparant history, and the rest of the story, it is clear that this woman has a racial agenda, and, therefore, has no place as a magistrate in a court of law. The final irony, is that, in all likelihood, she is only one bcause she is black, and the appointment of judges and magistrates, is currently slewed in favour of blacks !!

      Nettie - 2012-03-27 11:12

      See her for what SHE is an incompetent,black RACIST.

      William - 2012-03-27 12:28

      Isn't bail set according to the degree of flight risk associated with the defendant? I think it is...which would indicate the necessity of a proof of residence. The state wants to know where they can find you if you don't show up in court. In this case, are the harsher bail requirements ascribed to black defendants (if that's true?) the symptom of it being harder for many of our black brothers & sisters to provide proof of residence, given the 'typically' lower living-standards they are forced to endure? If that is true, is the 'statistic' really prejudiced based on race, or are we looking at the wrong variable (the right one being economic circumstances). Also, I understand there is a lot of crime perpetrated by black foreigners illegally living in SA. How do they prove residence & are they not an incredible flight risk? Does that not skew the curve even more? Of course there are cases of White foreigners committing crimes in SA, but are those enough to impact the statistics? I don't think this is a racist is a mathematical problem.

  • Tammy - 2012-03-27 10:27

    me think the judge is smokig the "good" stuff LOL

  • Treyzo - 2012-03-27 10:28

    Agg man not another race row, its starting to make me dizzy. but I think the magistrate is dillusional

  • Gareth - 2012-03-27 10:28

    If you don't like the punishment, don't commit the crime. Problem solved.

      stevie0064 - 2012-03-27 11:01

      @Gareth That's not the issue here. The punishment doesn't seem to fit the crime because of incompetence or racism, or both, on the part of the magistrate. That particular problem is definitely NOT solved.

      Gareth - 2012-03-27 11:04

      Well if people don't commit crimes, unfair punishment wouldn't be of concern, would it?

      Dewald - 2012-03-27 11:13

      Gareth - read the article again - the person is 'accused of cashing a fraudulent cheque'. While not yet proven guilty, what is the punishment that you would like to dish out, and will it also apply to you if you were accused of doing soemthing wrong?

      Fiona - 2012-03-27 11:51

      The issue here is of bail being posted - not the ultimate punishment of the crime, should the accused be found guilty.

  • William Hardcastle - 2012-03-27 10:29

    This person clearly didn't read the iol news story about the 3 "black suspects" who where let off on r500 bail after Mudering a supposed "possed" women by pulling her insides out through her vagina.

      Marion - 2012-03-27 10:40

      Dear God William, I wish you were just being sick, but I know you're not.

      veritas.odium.paret - 2012-03-27 10:49

      Yikes! That sounds like some death metal gore, right there. One only hears songs about entrails being ripped from 'down there' but you never think people would actually do it!

      william.hardcastle - 2012-03-27 11:10

      The magistrate granted Faku and Lindela Jalubane bail on the basis that they were mothers and that the exceptional circumstances they had provided to the court had not been challenged by the State. That is Ridiculous it doesn't matter what race you are. They released her back into society where she volunteers at an NGO where she cares for people who are near death, free of charge. DOESN'T THAT SOUND A BIT DODGY!!

  • Rob - 2012-03-27 10:37

    These people will stop @ nothing in their anti White comments. White envy ? Yes I think so. You know you are stuffed if you are white & you stand before this poor excuse for a judge. Have her removed for her racist remarks.

      Freddie - 2012-03-27 11:19

      Donkey dick, by your logic then a black man should not be able to drive a car, fly a plane or operate any remote device. Racism is ingrained in your psyche.

      Rob - 2012-03-27 11:20

      Poly...No you guys are just pro-black. Right ?

      Fiona - 2012-03-27 11:56

      To both of you - if you accept that all humans are the same below their miserable physical differences, then you have to admit that sadly, all humans can show bigotry - and racism is a form of bigotry - and no-one is exempt, unless you don't consider yourself human. The best we can ALL do is to be aware of our own bigotry and to refuse to act with bigoted minds - otherwise you choose to miss out on seeing the best in ALL of us.

  • Venet - 2012-03-27 10:38

    If the ANC says the DA are racist for calling some people refugees, what do you call this. *%$@!!??+&*^ magistrate.

  • Khadeejah - 2012-03-27 10:40

    they should have postponed the matter for an enquiry on the accused residential address.. there was no reason to deny bail!!

      Msika - 2012-03-27 10:53

      Good thing they postoned bail, this mlungu woman seems to be in some financial problems, who knows wud she be trying to steel money frm while out on bail.

      Mathys Jakkie Theart - 2012-03-27 10:59

      @jim lets divide SA into three states. WC for whites and kallids. KZN for indians. then the blacks can have the rest. this is where your logic is going right? douchebag.

  • neil.purves - 2012-03-27 10:43

    who appointed this woman,she is clearly not fit to hold the post of magistrate!

      Hettie - 2012-03-27 12:01


  • Shirley - 2012-03-27 10:48

    We dont need blatantly racist judges on our benches! Remove him at once as all cases brought before him will be heard with predjudice!!!!!!!

      Nettie - 2012-03-27 10:57

      I am ashamed to say but IT is a women.

      Msika - 2012-03-27 11:01

      Shirley U wanted to write "her" Magistrate Ndileka is a female not a male. Read the article again (if u have'nt done so already).

      Shirley - 2012-03-27 11:49

      Msika: Him/her-a racist is a racist!

  • Stanley - 2012-03-27 10:51

    The comment by judge Ndamase would have had a stronger effect on me if it wasn't for the fact that she has 42 charges of misconduct against her,including sleeping in court. I mean,wtf?...what kind of a judge sleeps in court? incompetent 1!...but I have to say that there is some truth to what she says!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-27 15:59

      Really? And you base this on what evidence?

  • Tammy - 2012-03-27 10:54

    @junlge - go back to the junglw where you belong

  • Jon-Paul - 2012-03-27 10:56

    WHAT THE HELL!!!I can tell from personal experience that I've seen black drug dealers who hav been given free bail even though their residence could not be confirmed bcoz the person does not even hav a street address.Laughable!

  • Mark - 2012-03-27 11:01

    It's idiots like this that need to have their performance reviewed but instead the ANC want to review, and probably curtail, the powers of the constitutional and higher courts because that's where their abuses are highlighted. They're not interested in the courts where us mere mortals appear, once again highlighting where their agenda lies.

  • crazyjourno - 2012-03-27 11:08

    "In February 2010, the Pretoria News reported that Ndamase faced 42 charges of misconduct, including allegedly sleeping in court..." PLEASE BEELD!! PLEASE! Report on what happened to all those alleged charges against Ndamase!! That should have been the angle of this story! Shall I come and help digg up the "missing docket", seeing that I am a court reporter!! Ps. How can this be a respected magistrate if she blurts out these utter short-sited and ridiculous statements! Everyone with a brain knows bail is determined by your income, proof of address, previous convictions and the nature of the crime... If you do the crime, do the time! That counts for Ndamase too.

  • kaya.zwane - 2012-03-27 11:12

    hence concort review is always necessary in the democratic country... Viva ANC!!! viva ANC!!!!

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-27 11:40

      If you refer to the Constitution you make a big mistake. It is a good document. Following/applying it is the problem.

      christian.denyschen - 2012-03-27 11:48

      Okay kaya.zwane please enlighten us with the changes that you want 2 be made 2 the constitution with reasons. Let's debate this now seeing as "concort review is always necessary" or do u even know what is in the constitution?

      tiaan.fourie - 2012-03-27 15:10

      I don't think this kaya.zwane excuse for a human being should be taken too seriously. Doubt he even knows what is written in the constitution and what it's purpous is. He has just been brainwashed by his so called leaders into parroting their propaganda, without a moment's thought by himself. I hope you evolve soon kaya.zwane.

  • Staalburger - 2012-03-27 11:13

    Black vs white...White vs black...Black vs White etc. When is this madness going to stop?

      Chris Brown - 2012-03-27 11:28

      blacks and white will never get along let face the fact people

      DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-27 11:38

      The day when no-one can make money/gain out of it anymore.

      siyadyosiba - 2012-03-27 12:12

      I beg to differ with you Chris. I still believe we gonna pass this. as soon as we stop intertaining racism from within our circles, we will be fine.

      Balan - 2012-03-27 12:13

      @ Staalburger, when the Zebra's come to play

  • Thandi - 2012-03-27 11:18

    You go Ndileka make us all proud,i see no prejudice in this issue you dealing with.we all have equal rights and freedom of speech,the sentences and punishment must be the same.people always use the word racism and prejudice,because they out of words.ther`s nothing like black or white crime,so please let us work together.

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-27 11:30

      By making up her own rules??? Are you even from this planet?

      Balan - 2012-03-27 12:15

      crime has no colour

      trix.duvenage - 2012-03-27 18:51

      @ Thandi: Shame you cant be too clever. But hang on and keep reading comments on this news colums. One day you might even understand what you read. Then you can begin to comment

  • Zimbobwe - 2012-03-27 11:25

    Hahahaaaa this is so funny. Magistrate facing 42 charges of misconduct but still sitiing on the bench??? Magistrate and the lawyer having an altercation in court??? Magistrate sleeping in court??? bwahahahaaa!!! Magistrate speaking in Xhosa??? What more could you ask for, this is Mzansi at it's best... Republic of Comedy Central!!!

  • Junebugg - 2012-03-27 11:25

    If this is true..My white friend better drive when we drunk....he will get a lesser sentence than my black @ss

  • E=MC2 - 2012-03-27 11:27

    nice editing news24... The truths a b!tch hey. & Sganja - go troll somewhere else please.

      Gigo - 2012-03-27 11:54

      I'm not a troll,I'm defending the magistrate..

      Felix - 2012-03-27 12:39

      I have to agree with gangy here, trolling properly take skill and subtlety. He fails on both counts. We should call him failtrololol.

      J-Man - 2012-03-27 14:22

      An obvious Troll is this this JungleJim persona, trying to fool people into replying to his BS. Its so obvious he's a fake, its not even worth it.

  • Mfundisitshikaswidyoho - 2012-03-27 11:35

    for a better future lets not find the wrongs, rather we come with the solutions. being on each others throats creates more racism and believe me you its not whites only who got racism but us all.

      Fiona - 2012-03-27 12:13

      Well said!!!

  • DuToitCoetzee - 2012-03-27 11:35

    Magistrate Ndileka Ndamase. I thought that people with less reliable addresses have to pay higher bail as well as depending on the crime? If you have mend that due to the seriousness of a crime(read violence) people/black people pay more and because of not having own fixed address comparing to whites I could have agreed, but if you mend purely on skin colour I would like to know what are you doing about it? Provide proof and report cases where you feel it is true. You are supposed to be fair and standing for equal justice. When seeing these happenings, you are suppose to be one of the 1st to report it and call upon fairness. To now use it in a hearing in front of you only say two things. You know about incidents and you neglect your job by not bringing it forward. or You use any excuse to justify your point while indirectly are a person that can not be trusted to do judgement purely on merits only. I, as a citizen, insist that you reveal the info around the claims you made, to enable South Africa to sort these culprits out for once and for all and if not you resin from your position. We can build a country on unfairness, but neither on incompetence. ( All above said with the understanding that News 24 reported above said as facts and being the complete reveal of incident)

  • Preshentha - 2012-03-27 11:36

    That is such a racist comment , Garitt Cliff was charged with speeding and he got a huge fine and he is white.

      Debbi - 2012-03-27 12:06

      At least try and get Gareth's name correct #IJS

  • Ashliegh - 2012-03-27 11:43

    lol news24 if u do not have any artcle just quit black and white again

  • Nettie - 2012-03-27 11:46

    Nothing will happend with this persone as she is earmarked to preside at Malema's case

  • Anne-Marie - 2012-03-27 11:50

    Laughable. I suppose it is just a coincidence that she makes such a statement only a month before she is due in cort to answer charges herself. #just saying

  • Anne-Marie - 2012-03-27 11:50

    Laughable. I suppose it is just a coincidence that she makes such a statement only a month before she is due in cort to answer charges herself. #just saying

  • Fiona - 2012-03-27 11:51

    Several wrongs don't make a right. The woman is accused of fraud. Innocent until proven guilty, and she therefore should be accorded as much dignity as is feasible with her situation - LIKE ALL ACCUSED CITIZENS - but as an accused she IS subject to the courts. I would be interested to hear whether Magistrate Ndamase regularly practises what she preaches and ensures that black people accused of crime are given lower bail or released without bail. That kind of action can be effective in changing unfair or bad practice - be the change you wish to see! Bail is intended to ensure that the accused returns to court for trial and does not abscond. The issue has been that many poor people do not have fixed addresses and the large bail is a strong incentive to return to court. I do not think it good practice because of the hardship it causes to the accused's family. In this case, the magistrate had the option of insisting on a vastly increased bail rather than to deny bail altogether. It is the prosecutor's duty to request the magistrate to ask for a huge bail or to deny bail if the person is deemed a danger or a flight risk, and it is the magistrate's prerogative to request bail(and the amount) or deny it. That said, it SEEMS from the report that Magistrate Ndamase has acted disingenuously. The accused's place of residence was established. I think the good magistrate was more intent on demonstrating her power over the accused - a sorry game, unworthy of a magistrate.

      PreciouskaNcube - 2012-03-27 12:08

      I agree with you Fiona. She is drunk on the powers she has been given.She obviously has no respect for the courts either judging from all those charges of misconduct.

  • siyadyosiba - 2012-03-27 12:04

    True as it might be, I however do not think it is a good idea for the magistrate to utter these words in her capacity unless she can prove it which I think will be very difficult to.

  • Jacques - 2012-03-27 12:07

    Sleeping in court? 42 (as in FOURTY TWO) charges of misconduct? May I ask, why, on God's green Earth, are we regarding this Magistrate's opinion as newsworthy? What a troll!

      Dewald - 2012-03-27 14:25

      Uhm... because there is a woman unfairly kept in jail as the result of her opinion?

  • jordaanjean - 2012-03-27 12:08

    ag shame ne !!

  • Fiona - 2012-03-27 12:12

    Forgot to comment on the magistrate addressing the court in isiXhosa. technically there should be no issue as long as there is a court interpreter present. However, out of courtesy the magistrate and prosecutor should address the court in the accused's language if at all possible in order that the accused should have the best understanding of what is transpiring. Again the magistrate is using this accused to make a point (or to score a point) about how the justice system was run in the past. I can understand her bitterness - but she is in the driving seat now and can either play petty tit-for-tat games or else she can use the opportunity afforded her to show that she is morally better than those in power in the past - a far more effective and intelligent response. I suspect that if she did this she would be far happier adn stay awake in court. Another thought - what respect to the black accused before her does she show that she falls asleep during their ordeal in court before her?

      Debbi - 2012-03-27 12:24

      Thnx Fiona as u substantiate your comments. U seem to be the only white who has her head screwed on correctly. Every1 else is jus venting their hatred towards the other race!

      crazyjourno - 2012-03-27 12:48

      Just like you, Debs. I do not hate black people. I just do not like the arrogance and blame, which some of them cast upon whites! "Thnx Fiona as u substantiate your comments. U seem to be the only white who has her head screwed on correctly. Every1 else is jus venting their hatred towards the other race!" The fist sentence... You are stereotyping here. You earlier spoke of facts, fact is, not all whites can't think hey... Fact is, not all whites are racist. Fact is not all blacks are racist. Fact is, you have to get the facts straight before you state 'em! Stop blaming whites, again you feel Inferior. Get over it! I have to get over the fact that I am white and do not count when BEE is thrown in my face when applying for jobs!

      Carla - 2012-03-27 12:53

      @Debbi - maybe you should stop generalizing

      Felix - 2012-03-27 13:09

      You have been doing a good job of that too Debbi. Here's some light reading from Mike the Zanu PF agent to make you feel better -

      crazyjourno - 2012-03-27 13:17

      @Felix Joh, that guy Mike is a huge racist! I went to that site! Why is his name Mike, surely I can't be an English name... *scratches head*

      Hugo - 2012-03-27 17:23

      best comment.

  • Tshe - 2012-03-27 12:24

    we need to be of sober mind when we deal with matters that involve racial remarks in between. We also need to tread carefully on all other matters of race, South Africa in on verge of timing bomb, our economy is still skewed towards minority and few BEE beneficiaries. Youth have cried-out loud and I don't condone crime.

  • Debbi - 2012-03-27 12:30

    Just how much do white Afrikaaner folks train their kids to hate blacks??? 1st hand experience, my daughter in gr 1 plays house with them folks & she's always made to be the maid til she asked 'wait a minute, why am I always the helper?' And the lil Afrikaaner kids replied 'coz u r black!' Shame my poor child trying to explain she aint black but brown and being laughed at. Shame on those parents!

      Nicki.Labuschagne - 2012-03-27 12:33

      Debbi, if the kids are taught to hate, they certainly wouldn't be playing together now, would they? Just get over it already!!!!

      Debbi - 2012-03-27 12:37

      Remember to feel more superior u still need someone you can put down! Their happy house still needs a black to do the crap work and be pushed around!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-27 12:38

      Debbi, so A kid said that and you have gone and judged an entire race.... Eish.. some people...

      crazyjourno - 2012-03-27 12:54

      Inferior... Who cares if you are the helper or not! Jeez, ever been in the UK? I was the helper there, my dear! Looked after a old black (very rich lady, might I add) and, it paid my bills! Why is it a shame to be the helper? Be proud that your kid was seen as the helper and not the sponger, stealer, rapist, nasty one of whatever! Yoh.. Are you not sad indeed?

      Stanley - 2012-03-27 14:21

      Every other person that commented on this comment by Debbi,is white. They are all trying to make excuses for their fellow people's behaviour. Noe they are attacking you Debbi. Do not worry about what these so-called non-racists are saying,'coz you can just hear how they arguments are structured. They do not see anything wrong with the fact that a white kid only sees a non-white kid as a helper. And that is the general idea that whites have in this country...that you are not intelligent enough to have a different profession,other than a helper. And they teach they kids to think that way. SIES MAN...JULLE MAAK MY NAAR...hou op verskonings maak!

      richard.hipkin - 2012-03-27 15:47

      @Stanley, what's wrong with being a helper? Do you carry the same discrimination to the word as you do refugee?

      Byron - 2012-03-27 20:24

      @Stanley why care what a few delusional bigots think? You give them way too much power ... they are really insignificant and should be treated as such - put on your big boy boots and walk it off

  • Josie - 2012-03-27 12:35

    I beg to differ! Most of our Magistrates are black, so if the blacks are getting harsher sentences, then the pronblem must be addressed and raised with the Black Magistrates. I am in court daily.... I know!

      Hugo - 2012-03-27 17:26

      I would agree.

  • Paul - 2012-03-27 12:50

    Therend is nothing wrong for the presiding magistrate to remimd the acussed incustody pending the verrification of adress.i had seen many cases allocated to white prosecutors and white magistrates where white accused appeared and they where always dealt with lienenly than black is true that racism is stiil rearing its ugly head in our courts!

  • Richard - 2012-03-27 13:06

    What Rubbish. He is there to rule on a matter and not hold political forums from the bench. On what statistics does he base his opinion or are these just racist utterances. If he cannot be neutral as a presiding officer then he should be removed from the bench and this applies to every presiding officer irrespective of race or creed. Neutrality is the very backbone of the judicial system.

      Hugo - 2012-03-27 17:27

      he is a woman.

  • Scouter - 2012-03-27 13:22

    Bet Julius is hoping like hell he gets this magistrate, come his time in the judicial limelight.

  • bashin.monyela - 2012-03-27 13:29

    Well i wouldn't know, just thought i put that out there.

  • Anne-Marie - 2012-03-27 13:50

    Interesting reading on the magistrate involved

  • mnthane - 2012-03-27 14:04

    Schabir sheik aint white. Jacky selebi aint afrikaaner. Tony yengeni is definetly nt english. Yes the 2 of the reitz 4 r white. But is it rascim or incompetence, ignorance and failure of the justice system. Yes its true i knw a black guy who stole a loaf of bread at spar and was remanded in custody coz he could nt pay R500 bail he could nt afford it if he did have it he wud nt have stolen the bread in the 1st place then he got 3 months bhind bars. Was it rascism or is it the justice system thats unfair??? Magistrate plz do ur job and leave the petty racial politics to the racists both black and white and get ur house in order

      Stanley - 2012-03-27 14:10

      WOW!...I'm truly shocked. I believe that this is the most...most...most...most sensable comment of the day! Nobody could have said it any better.

      Gerald - 2012-03-27 14:24

      Well said Now Please educate Debbiand at the same time remove that forest off of her shoulder

      Hugo - 2012-03-27 17:29

      I know a guy who was working at spar,was caught with cigarretes in a trash can,couldn't afford bail.He got 9 months.Margistrate was black.

  • Kevin - 2012-03-27 14:38

    Is this a white magistrate with a conscience or a black magistrate overlooked for promotion. You are the bail givers . if it is wrong fix it .Doffy bringing shame on the family