Malema: Big screen intimidating?

2011-04-19 14:20

Johannesburg - A large TV screen outside the South Gauteng High Court in Johannesburg, which allows ANC Youth League supporters to watch the hate speech trial of their president Julius Malema, may stop opposing counsel from coming to proceedings.

Counsel for the farmers' organisation TAU-SA, Roelof du Plessis, said he may not come to court on Wednesday because of the big screen.

He did not want to highlight for the record why he would not come to court. However, media reports indicate that Du Plessis and his family had been threatened since the start of the case.

Afrikaner interest group AfriForum has taken Malema to court, contending that his singing of the struggle song constitutes hate speech.

Du Plessis told the Equality Court, sitting at the High Court in Johannesburg, that the song kept him awake at night.

Meanwhile, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe took the stand for the first time on Tuesday. He said the intention of the song was to inspire and mobilise people.

Mantashe is among the ANC members giving testimony in the case.

Poet and ANC veteran Wally Serote, and Science and Technology deputy minister Derek Hanekom previously testified.

Minister in the Presidency, Collins Chabane, and Malema are also expected to take the stand.

Song not linked to any farm killings

Mantashe said liberation songs had no copyright and, because of this, any other liberation movement, such as the Pan Africanist Congress, could sing them too.

The case has been set for 10 days, and entered its second week on Monday.

Earlier, Serote told the court the victims of apartheid had sought noble ways of healing the country.

Serote said that if Malema were to get out of hand, the "elders" of the ANC would sit him down and talk to him.

He said Malema had a right to act like a youth, because he was a youth.

Serote agreed with the view, expressed in court by Hanekom last week, that a "national dialogue" on the matter was needed.

Serote also believed the song was not linked to any farm killings.

The ANC has sought to protect the song, as it is part of history and their heritage.

ANC stalwart Winnie Madikezela-Mandela has called the court "illiterate".

She told supporters outside court that the illiterate court needed to be educated.

  • John Burnstein - 2011-04-19 14:35

    Why is the court allowing this??? They should take it down immediately!!! WTF is wrong with this country???

      Agent Koos - 2011-04-19 14:40

      No you need to ask what is RIGHT with this country....

      Sooth Slayer - 2011-04-19 14:55

      Why should the court disallow it? Is this not 'free access to information' you always clamor about? besides, Counsel Roelof du Plessis realizes that he's been invited to a fight he cannot win and so he is seeking an alternative way out rather than just face it and tell everyone that they will not win this case or trying to 'sensor' not only Julius Malema and the ANCYL, but the rest of the nation.

      Michael - 2011-04-19 15:21

      You are so ignorant. The TV is inside the court - e-TV remember, so forget the screen outside and fight the source. And it was the idea of afriforum and Tau (where the f**k is Transvaal in South African map) to have it broadcast live

      ThaD - 2011-04-19 15:46

      The problem perhaps is that everyone in this country can talk unlike previously?

      Clive - 2011-04-19 15:55

      Court allowed it because ETV and similar formations asked the court through access to information Act to have it broadcasted. Its not a new thing to have such cases live and shown on big screens, this quite frankly a non issue at all.

      GeneralCS - 2011-04-19 16:43

      @John Dude, WTF is wrong with you? Do you wish that the case be censored? How does the fact that something like this case being broadcast in public affect you?

      mike - 2011-04-20 10:54

      Mr Mantashe. Malema doesn't like you!!!!! Are you trying to score browny points?

      supporter - 2011-04-20 11:33

      well hopefully the rest of the south africa's youth will watch this mockery and open their eyes and decide to seek better leaders that they can be proud of and whom they can follow.

      lenand40 - 2011-04-20 12:16

      What is wrong with a crowd of people watching a case? If there is a threat against his life, then surely police must act. If he has evidence that the big screen has something to do with the threats, then these should be investigated. It is idiotic to claim that a big screen outside of court has any bearing on his safety, especially since the Judge can determine the angle of cameras to protect those who did not want to be seen on TV. All I could see of this lawyer was making statements for the consumption of the public (he stated so himself when asked of the relavance of his inane questioning). Malema, Transvaal Agricultural Union and Afriforum can go drown themselves if they want

      Claire - 2011-04-20 13:06

      Fcuked up thats what is wrong with this country, and the ANC loves to give this man a stage to talk sh#t. Sometimes I have to wonder if Julius has dirt on all the anc members that they allow him to run his damned mouth off the way he does!!

      s.vnolo - 2011-04-20 14:03

      dude the ANC did not want this trial televised Its Afriforum And TAU that wanted this and all of a sudden they are too scared when they see that this is taking a BS direction, K@K Man

      Calvin - 2011-04-20 14:51

      WAKE UP!!!!! Time is far spent. Why are your views and senses limited to this dimension? Dont you know there is more reality than the light, time and matter dimension we live in? Why do you allow Satan to deceive you this much? Dont you realize there is NOTHING real in this dimension? Politics, Nations, Poverty, Wealth, its ALL FAKE! The reality is where your soul goes when you live this body. Even science is confirming that the Biblical Apocalypse is upon us, then why Bother about Julius Malema, the ANC, DA, White this Black this? Why buy into the devil’s trap. Christ is building his kingdom not from the blacks or whites, but all the blood washed and the redeemed. This whole earth is about to go up in flames. Why don’t you speak to any spiritual person that can see beyond the 5 senses, they will tell you Satan has got both White and Hell in the pits of Hell. Don’t tell me hell doesn’t exist please go to Hell is real!! Heaven is real. Everything else is Satan’s trick to keep your earthly minds busy with things that don’t save you when your soul descends into the bottomless pit!! Nothing can save this earth can you see? Its not a black or white problem, The Almighty God has drawn line in the sand and said.. time will exist till this point. From 1900 you’ve been arguing who’s better between black and white, how do you allow Satan to fool you so long? Dont you see its not about the black government or white government. Its not whether its the Republicans or Democrats, thats just a Soapie opera that Satans plays on earth to keep your earthly mind occupied on things that are not real. There is a Kingdom thats coming. A heavenly Kingdom. Open your eyes, the north pole is shifting south, its not being shifted by Malema. Earthquakes are increasing, the Sun is hurling dangerous flares everywhere...Wake up!! Its not the ANC, Its God!! Repent or Perish!

  • Katlego - 2011-04-19 14:37

    We must note that ANC didnt ask for proceedings to be shown live but other party in the matter did so

      Val - 2011-04-19 15:04

      WTF, it clearly states that the screen was put up for the ANC Youth League supporters to watch the hate speech trial of their president!!! Can you not read?

      James - 2011-04-19 15:18

      @Tseleng, whites did rule Africa(recent history)..then it was given back to you.. Whites people voted in order to give the black man equal status, the 'struggle' was nothing but a coincidence that has taken credit for it.

      diode - 2011-04-19 15:36

      Tseleng the Son of Man will be here soon and there is a big suprise for all you murdering racists. you'll see, someone who really forgives and is for reconciliation would not support a song like this. Do you think Jesus would have joined you sionging shoot the boer?? you must be living in a dream world, Jesus condemns violence and hate.

      jds - 2011-04-19 16:18

      I think everyone must chill out and go have a drink!! a side note: just by looking at these comments you can see the negative,dividing, and racial impact Malema and the ANC has on the country as a whole!!how the hell can a political party in modern society allow this to happen??

      Totman - 2011-04-19 16:34

      It is fine that it gets broadcast. No problem with that. There is a lot of public interest in the case. The big screen can also be put up for supporter. My question is why at court? This is the place where we need level head people and people that can feel free to express there view when in the witness chair. People that can move in and out of a court, not feeling intimidated at any moment because of there appearances/statement in the court Why not put the screen up in a park somewhere else. Mr. Malema can go to that gathering if he feels like talking to the people. We now need to have all people freely giving there statements in court without having any fear for conflict when leaving the court. It is needed to get all in the open and for once and for all to deal with this issue to enable us to put it behind us.

      cerveza - 2011-04-19 16:35

      @braveinernetguy - wow, you just had to join the black racists to show there are white racists too, we know that already. How does it feel to be so alike Tseleng and friends, if only the 2 of you will scratch each other's skin off in a racist cat-fight you'll see that you look and act the same

      GeneralCS - 2011-04-19 16:40

      Okay, all of you people on both sides of the fence are just being ridiculous. There are some really racist comments in here. I think you people need to step back and reevaluate your thoughts.

      braveinternetguy - 2011-04-19 16:47

      @cerveza - Two things: firstly, I'm the first to admit that I'm a racist, so you can take that "accusation" back and use it elsewhere, since it has no effect on me. Secondly...uhm...I wasn't being "racist". Did you know that one can make pretty accurate 'predictions' about the future, when looking at past trends? For instance, do you know what happened to the Neanderthal? Natural selection happened.

      cerveza - 2011-04-19 17:17

      @internetguy - I did not accuse you of being racist, I can clearly you see you are one. I accused you of being no different than Tseleng, and if you think he is not worth natural selection, I am afraid you will fail as well. And as for your theory, the human race is mixing more and more every year, and if you look at the colour of their offspring, you will realize that caramel people will rule the earth, but then again I don't expect the ignorant like you to be smart enough to figure it out

      braveinternetguy - 2011-04-19 17:42

      @cerveza - You have GOT TO BE joking, right? "and if you think he is not worth natural selection, I am afraid you will fail as well. " Uhm......these natural processes are quite ignorant of 'personal preferences or beliefs' and 'who said what to whom' other words (maybe yours, definitely Tseleng's) these processes are (eish) "unfair" - it favours the strong, not the weak. There is no Affirmative Action in Nature.

      cerveza - 2011-04-19 17:59

      @Internetguy - Natural selection does not care about the colour of your skin, unless you try to use is as camouflage, so tell me where are you hiding that your skin is making you invisible from predators? Isn't this article about people being targeted because of their skin colour, and you fall into that group? and how does your skin colour make you strong? please explain this phenomenon to me. you live under the illusions spread by your racist leaders of the past, just like Tseleng lives under the illusions spread by his current leaders. And because you are too stupid to figure it out, is why you will fail at natural selection, as you said yourself there is no AA in nature, so your skin colour will not help you and if you want to learn from history, please tell me why your forefathers have been "inferior" to the Romans and the Huns for so long, and where are they today? Or are they the exception in nature and history?

      Mandla - 2011-04-20 08:10

      Stop being an idiot Katlego

  • Zolani - 2011-04-19 14:38

    Julias says the Judges are "our Judges, they are ANC judges", now winnie says The Judges are illiterate Seems theese 2 are both Illiterate

      Sooth Slayer - 2011-04-19 14:51

      and what are you when you cannot even spell "Julius"?

      Rob Gunning - 2011-04-19 14:55

      It's a sad day for justice and democracy when the judiciary is policitally motivated.

      Valis - 2011-04-19 15:16

      @Sooth Slayer : Correct, it should be spelled "Juliass", with two esses, since he is an ass :P

      ThaD - 2011-04-19 15:43

      Oh Guys, do we really have be talking to each other like this?

      Mswati - 2011-04-19 15:50

      Zolani, please learn to spell before you can be so bold to call other people illeterate

      Zolani - 2011-04-19 15:51

      I wrote the name how his supporters pronounce it, It’s called editorial licence

      Mswati - 2011-04-19 16:21

      Just hiding behind your stupid thumb

      JunkPunch - 2011-04-19 18:47

      @Mswati - WTF is "illeterate"? it's spelt illiterate... Eish, it's a bit silly critiquing someone else's spelling when you clearly can't spell either. lol

  • Psalm - 2011-04-19 14:39

    It is clear that counsel for TAU is running out of tactics. EVERY SOUTH AFRICAN can watch the e-tv live coverage of the court proceedings. It makes sense to erect a large screen outside for those attending court, but not able to sit inside and follow the court proceedings. We are no longer under the apartheid regime which sought to use intrigue and secrecy regarding trials.

      diode - 2011-04-19 15:40

      so why Psalm did they not show eugene terreblanche court procedings on the big screen?? double standards, racist blacks, there are good blacks but unfortunately your leaders are the biggest racists of them all.

      Psalm - 2011-04-19 16:11

      @ diode, Are you familiar with our legal system? 1. the presiding judge MUST GIVE PERMISSION for a channel to provide live coverage of relevant proceedings; 2. if no permission is given- then you can't have cameras in court; 3. if you do not have live coverage of court proceedings, then why would put up a screen? What fictional live coverage will you be watching? Or did you want blank screens outside court for decorations for the Terreblanch case? How on earth is anyone expected to have an "meaningful" conversation with people like you who are unwilling or just unable to think??? Gosh, it is frustrating...

      diode - 2011-04-19 16:23

      you see psalm then Julias is right the anc already owns the judge' dicision. It's guys like you that stand up for racism that is the problem especially those like you that think they are so noble and clever, wkae up you moron people are being murdered because of people like you that live in denial.

      Psalm - 2011-04-19 17:20

      @ diode, Your comments are moving more and more into the Weskoppies zone. When did the ANC declare that they already know the judges decision? What did the Honourable judge C Lamont have to say that? Calling me names and stupidly assuming that I am an ANC member or supporter is never going to minimise the lunacy of your comments.

      RiRo1 - 2011-04-20 08:54

      That is 100% accurate, but can you truely say that the Julius suppporters are not going to intimidate anyone that is against their president? Families have already been threatened...

      Psalm - 2011-04-20 12:24

      @ RiRo1 I cannot confirm nor deny allegations of threats to families nor comment as to the indentity of those making the alleged threats. Furthermore, logic dictates that if one claims to be threatened, they must report the matter to the police. I cannot say what Malema supporters will or will not do. Equally, I cannot say what right-wingers who support the killing of black people will do in the future. I would be a fool to claim to be a prophet on these issues.

      onetickie - 2011-04-20 19:12

      You've obviously lost the plot! Are you not aware that the ANC are preparing to clamp down on freedom of press? Where have you had your head lately?

  • WillF - 2011-04-19 14:40

    The nice thing is - not everyone in the ANC agrees with Malema's stance - so it is opening the rifts even wider. At the same time I do not think Afriforum did their homework properly. Nothing wrong with keeping the sone as a part of the strugle herritage - let's face it a lot of farmers were barbaric - I know as I knew a few. The angle should be - no problem with the song when it was applicable - we understand the suffereing - BUT we now find it intimidating and it is alienating sections of society that should be bonding. Simple. In other words they should have had a national forum on it first instead of going all emotional.

  • POLS_G - 2011-04-19 14:42

    Serote said that if Malema were to get out of hand, the "elders" of the ANC would sit him down and talk to him. So, tell me please, when the f#*k will the 'elders give dear Malema a talking to then? As if he has not once gotten out of hand?

  • watalife - 2011-04-19 14:47

    Just another great day in Africa.....Monkey C Monkey Do

      Phineas - 2011-04-19 15:28

      Another IDIOT. Get a life

  • CC - 2011-04-19 14:48

    Malema has the right to act like a racist becasue he is a racist. I have the right to act like a murderer because I am a murderer, thus I have the right to kill because I have killed in the past....etc.... Their logic doesnt always make sense...

  • Ladybiker - 2011-04-19 14:49

    The ANC must put a bigscreen tv up the da of elections aswell to show proceedings, maybe all of their supporters wil then watch tv and not go to vote.

      Tseleng - 2011-04-19 14:56

      I lost you there what are you trying to say?

      Trollolol - 2011-04-19 15:14

      Tseleng can't read a sentence without being distracted by the though of fried chicken.

  • gizzy - 2011-04-19 14:51

    The big screen TV is the normal way the ANC operate. If they don't get their own way they rent a mob to intimidate people! They don't give a fig about justice as long as it goes their way. If the song offends just one person it is hate. Simple as that and enshrined in our constitution.

  • Archer - 2011-04-19 14:54

    Turns everything into a party

  • JUAN - 2011-04-19 14:55

    Welldone SA we are just making the divide betwen all races bigger. This court case is a waste of time we need to focus on all the big matters needing attention. Malema and the ANCYL does not need anymore publicity.

      Dilika - 2011-04-19 15:44

      Well blame the Boerderbond (sorry Afriforum) they took the matter to court not Malema or ANCYL did. Afriforum wanted the publicity by wanting the matter on TV and that has now backfired on them.

  • gizzy - 2011-04-19 14:56

    Tseleng, kolobe, polydonkey, u You uyaba!!!!

      Tseleng - 2011-04-19 15:08

      I speak all african languages including the 2 white man's, what is uyaba(speaking?).

      gizzy - 2011-04-19 15:11

      Only two white man's languages? Not good enough! No you don't speak all african languages. You aren't that smart!

      Tseleng - 2011-04-19 15:26

      @gizzy, try me you'll be surprised.

      Zolani - 2011-04-19 15:55

      @Tseleng There are an estimated 1,500 languages spoken in Africa[1] in several major linguistic families: * Afroasiatic stretches from North Africa to the Horn of Africa and Southwest Asia * Nilo-Saharan is centered on Sudan and Chad (questionable validity) * Niger-Congo covers West, Central, and Southeast Africa * Khoe is concentrated in the deserts of Namibia and Botswana * Austronesian on Madagascar. * Indo-European on the Southern tip of the continent.

      Tseleng - 2011-04-19 16:18

      @Zolani, you had to go there am in SA.relax

      KnysnaSha - 2011-04-19 16:20

      @Tseleng I only speak English and Afrikaans so I am afraid I don't know.

      Solidsnake - 2011-04-19 16:20

      How do you say " the process by which biologic traits become more or less common in a population due to consistent effects upon the survival or reproduction of their bearers." in khoi?

      Solidsnake - 2011-04-19 17:10

      Tseleng, I asked you that, because I know you dont know khoi, which makes you full of yourself, and proofs the fact that you don't think the Bushmen arent African as well, which makes a racist, I guess. I also believe you think the "white man" must leave South Africa, because apparently it is not our country. Ill leave you a few words from Wikipedia that states, "They displaced, conquered and absorbed the original Khoisan speakers, the Khoikhoi and San peoples. The "They" wikipedia is referring to is the Bantu people. So that means South Africa is not your country as well, but in fact for the Bushmen, if my logic is on par today.

  • DandyLion - 2011-04-19 15:01

    Can I get a big screen as well please? Then I'll watch the circus that is COURT...

  • mikelmal - 2011-04-19 15:08

    @Tseleng, you made my day...I am tired of these people as well.

      gizzy - 2011-04-19 15:11

      These people? Who are they?

  • DeeCS - 2011-04-19 15:11

    I wonder if the owner of that large TV screen paid a large TV license like all law abiding citizens have to do?

      braveinternetguy - 2011-04-19 17:50

      Oh deary me. What on earth are you going to do with that terribly impressive, awe-inspiring, award-winning argument of yours if the answer is a simple "yes"?...which it most probably is, because the TV License fee is 1) not all that much, 2) really easy to pay.

  • Madelane - 2011-04-19 15:11

    And so the intimidation continues.....hate speech, incitement to target a specific ethnic group all standard communist practice.....look at Africa and all the 'ethnic cleansing'.....Idi Malema

      cerveza - 2011-04-19 16:57

      @Madelane - I don't think you understand the term communist. The communists did a few things right, and 1 of them was to see people as equal (well at least all people not in leadership) no matter your job, race or sex. So your sentence describes anti-communist behaviour. And as a added bonus here is some more info for you; during the 2nd world war, Germans who did not support the violence and oppression against the Jews were labeled as communist by the Nazis. It was also a favourite insult used by Apartheid supporters So before you use terms you don't understand as insults, find out who else used it before you are associated with them, unless these are the people you want to be associated with

  • James - 2011-04-19 15:12

    No, let them have it - it's not harming anyone! They want it publicized, so be it. @Tseleng, Your ability to communicate shows you have some intellectual capacity..take it further.. trying thinking..i know it's hard - but stick with it.

      RiRo1 - 2011-04-20 09:13

      Your sarcasm isn't helping this country at all...

  • moochie - 2011-04-19 15:17

    Struggle songs have a place in society. however they taste sour when sung by racists like Malema!

      Claire - 2011-04-20 13:20

      Well said Moochie!!

  • Susan - 2011-04-19 15:17

    I would call a 15j-year old a youth...

  • moochie - 2011-04-19 15:18

    Malema = Mugabe

      RiRo1 - 2011-04-20 09:40

      I want to add something to that, because that is very accurate in the sense that Malema has the same characteristics...: I don't think the black people realize just how little Malema cares for them. It's only a means to an end to have them on his side. If you look at Mugabe's dictatorship, and the conditions in Zim, then shouldn't they see? I mean, Mugabe has this beautiful house. For what? He has the right to comfort, yes, but overdone like that is not nescessary. He only cared to enrich himself and so will Malema. It's not the whites that steal from the blacks - like most of them claim - it's the government that is mostly black... Am I wrong in my analysis???

  • jbhsquare - 2011-04-19 15:19

    If the singing of the song leads to just ONE ANC follower (or other person still thinking he needs ro be liberated) causing the death of ONE farmer ...... then it is ONE too many. We have endured all sorts of change but why not continue in the spirit of Nelson Mandela. The 'revolution' is over so let's leave it at that. If there are elements that still want revolution then we have serious problems.

  • Gorilla - 2011-04-19 15:20

    I challenge them to leave it there for the duration of the trial - unguarded.

      Fanie - 2011-04-19 15:30

      Well said that man

  • - 2011-04-19 15:21

    Tseleng Interesting to see that you are as stipid as the rest of the ANC. Are you also on the gravy train...?

      Tseleng - 2011-04-19 15:34

      Do you think am stupid or you assume all african are stupid? Your insults/name calling means nothing same as freedom without economic freedom. That's the new struggle, the Mandela era has passed we no longer see signs as "slegs blankes"/"europeans only" equality has been realised and we thank you Tata. Freedom charter has to be fulfilled as was intended and nothing will stop us until the wealth of this land are shared amongst us.

      naknud - 2011-04-19 15:59

      Yes cadre Tseleng lets share the wealth amongst "us". Like Malema, I want flashy cars, expensive houses with Johnny Walker on tap. Lets show the poor and destitute who to us "the wealth" comrade.

      GeneralCS - 2011-04-19 16:05

      @Tseleng You talk of economic freedom as though it's something that's owed to you. I was 11 years old in 1994, and I went to a public school. I inherited no money from my parents. I worked every step of the way to earn my success. Nothing was given to me, nor did I ever feel that anything was owed to me. Today my tax contribution is more than the average income of 90% of South Africans. The difference between me and that 90% is the effort that I put into improving myself. There are plenty jobs in this country, but so few people with the skill to do them. We don't live in a socialistic economy. This is capitalism and it's every man/woman for him/her self. Wealth sharing is nothing more than a pipe dream. However, wealth is easily achieved through education.

      KnysnaSha - 2011-04-19 16:21

      You spelt 'stipid' wrong stupid

      Nostrilite - 2011-04-19 22:34

      @Tseleng Wealth is earned by hard work and dedication - not by race demographics you stupid clot.

  • napoleon - 2011-04-19 15:22

    Why was my comment taken off? Why do you allow blacks to make racist statements towards whites on this forum, and you dont allow whites to defend themselves. Why Why? Post that post of mine. I promise you, it will make for interesting debate.

      Fanie - 2011-04-19 15:32

      repost it

      GeneralCS - 2011-04-19 16:08

      If it wasn't displayed immediately after posting it, then it was probably a system issue.

      KnysnaSha - 2011-04-19 16:24

      @napoleon whites make a lot of racist comments on here if you read a few of the comments. No doubt your comments were particularly abusive and uncalled for.

  • SymbolOfLife - 2011-04-19 15:22

    the screens are up to intimidate the opposition. simple as that. Probably not a bad idea. But consider this. Today is, in all normal senses of the world, a work day. It is for this reason amazing that ANCYL supporters apparently do not have to work, and can hang out at court all day. Oh, I forgot, they are probably unemployed. But then, why are they unemployed? Oh, possibly 'cos they hang out at the court (and other mass gatherings) instead of making a positive contribution to society?? If JuJu had ANY humanity in him, he would've, before entering court, asked the crowd to leave and go find an honest way to provide for their families instead of motivating them to to the exact opposite. Well, that's what I would have done.

  • BOETLA - 2011-04-19 15:23

    Would the last white to leave this once beautifull country please blow the candle out? Thanks

      braveinternetguy - 2011-04-19 17:57

      Not all whites are chickens. Not all whites are loyal to the highest bidder only. Some of us are really patriotic and love this country TO DEATH, so, sorry to pee on your parade, but that isn't a candle, it's a floodlight, and no, it will never stop shining bright. As long as there are people in this country (asian, black, coloured and white) who believe in a prosperous and healthy SA, the light will continue to grow brighter. Go. We'll still be here when you return, and we will forgive you for leaving us when we needed you most.

  • michael.e.bowery - 2011-04-19 15:23

    Winnie Mandela speaks education. Perhaps she means by her old football team thugs of the past and the boxes of matches she was so fond of.

  • napoleon - 2011-04-19 15:24

    You poor cowardly schmucks. The anc already has you by the balls. why are you even fighting the info bill? Post the comment.

      Tseleng - 2011-04-19 15:47

      Disappointing comment I wonder they delete your comments.

      Realist - 2011-04-20 11:58

      Tseleng, the ANC will tell you to jump off a cliff and you will do it blindly! Do you have any morals? Can you think without the brainwashing? This is the typical attitiude of the typical ANC supporter! Support the ANC at you detriment,your comment and attitude is EXACTLY what Napoleon refers to, your ANC have you by the balls! You are proof!!

  • tweedie - 2011-04-19 15:25

    what the f*** we suppose to work towards a better future but its idiots like Malema and Winnie thats bringing it all down. Do their supporters know what luxury and comfort they live in while the majority of them lives in poverty.Look at his cheeks he look like a glaze doughnut. Lets all start singing kill the black

  • Ant - 2011-04-19 15:25

    @ Tseleng ...You have a lot to say, the funny thing is you are probably sitting at your Job, working with a number of different races possibly your boss is not Black either and I am sure that you would never state your racist comments to their faces but would rather write comments here...Meaning you are a very weak, sad and pathetic little person!!

      Tseleng - 2011-04-19 15:39

      To you every black man has an employer hmmm, you need to take off that hoofklub it's blinding you to see the black man advancing/progressing financially, academically and socially.

      Ant - 2011-04-19 15:41

      My apologies you are correct I forgot that the Hi-Jackers are "self Employed".

      Dilika - 2011-04-19 15:52

      Ant same as some of the racist whites who post here. Let them repeat some of the drivel they post here face-to-face to a Black person who is their equal (not their poor gardners or helpers) lets see what will happen. I can't wait for that day.

      Tseleng - 2011-04-19 16:05

      @ant, if seeing all african like that makes you sleep well who am I to complain.

      DieBaas - 2011-04-19 16:15

      @tseleng,kolobe you lot will vote for a monkey if you could get a free t-shirt and a nice hormone injected chicken.

  • Phineas - 2011-04-19 15:26

    This Roelof Du Plessis oke, he or should i say "SHE" is such a jerk! I wonder if he's got balls. If he can't sleep at night in his home due to tv screen, then my advice to him - Netherlands is just a flight away. Bye!

      SymbolOfLife - 2011-04-20 12:21

      You're an idiot. IDIOTO!!!!

      Claire - 2011-04-20 13:35

      you must be the president of the Julius Malema fan club...

  • DW - 2011-04-19 15:27

    "He said the intention of the song was to inspire and mobilise people." - yes, to inspire and mobilise them into intimidation and threats against the farmers "Du Plessis and his family had been threatened since the start of the case." The court should stop allowing this to be broadcast live on TV. If witnesses are too threatened to give testimony against the defendant, the whole trial will be a farce.

  • Henry - 2011-04-19 15:27

    I was under the impression that minors (youth's) should be heard in camera ? He was classed as youth?

  • slg - 2011-04-19 15:30

    If all this leads to a clear ruling that these songs are hate speech that incite more violence, which they clearly are, then it will be worthwhile. It is VERY important that the court hands down a strong, clear, inspiring ruling.

  • Tracer - 2011-04-19 15:31

    @Tseleng....You didn't defeat us you monkey, a couple of thousand young Afrikaners kept 10's of millions of you people at bay and in check. It was ONLY because WHITE PEOPLE voted yes in the referendum that you "defeated" us as you put it. Ignorant monkey.

      Tseleng - 2011-04-19 16:02

      No boet, the white man then had a gun and was not hesitant on using it to shoot blacks. Bantu stand laws made you look like you were the majority, you voted cause SA was becoming un-governable and pressure abroad you were labelled worst oppressors by far. That previlege I promise you will taste it again not unless we vote otherwise.

      GeneralCS - 2011-04-19 16:20

      @Tseleng I've got to say that from your message, you appear to be exactly like your white oppressor. You are no better. I know that a lot of white people were wrong, and they did terrible things. However, if you believe that you're better than that, then why don't you show it?

      braveinternetguy - 2011-04-19 23:35

      Tseleng, what p*sses me off most about what you're saying here is that it sounds like you reason like that, and that you vote like that. That you actually believe the absurdities of the feeble-minded propaganda spewed forth by the ANC and its henchmen. That you swallow what they feed you. The ANC has turned out NOT to be the government the new SA derserves, but to be a bunch of high-rolling power cat gangstas who were handed mike and the keys to the banks, the tanks, the schools and the jails. To vote for them is not just merely negligent and irresponsible, but downright reckless. South Africa will NOT SURVIVE the ANC. It will collapse, and all the nice things the ANC and the ANCYL promises you, will be gone. To vote for them on the grounds that "the white man is an evil oppressing bastard" is just really, really stupid. You clearly have NO IDEA how awesome this country can be, and you prove this true by voting for the ANC again and again. The ANC government is not the best government this country can have. We are not as safe and as happy as we all can be. Your vote for the ANC is anti-patriotic, and your vote based on racial hatred/fear and outright lies, is deplorable. Tseleng, on election day, vote in secret for the other party. No one will know. You will feel well, because you did a good thing. Then we can be friends, and then we can share. All cool, see? Or vote ANC again, and the ANC will keep on Jesus returns.

  • Chris B - 2011-04-19 15:34

    @ Tseleng – WINNING generation? What did you win? Oh you mean in your view corruption equals winning? I feel for the poor children of this country as they have no chance to truly prosper in this WINNING environment. The ANC government is applying its WINNING strategy and it is no surprise that he coffers are emptying out. Who suffers most? The poor, naturally! Who gets the blame? History! What will separate South Africa from most other African nations under this WINNING formula? Nothing, really – except that the poor will now have nowhere to run to, as South Africa was the last prosperous country they had to run to. The government is leading its followers on by making the believe that they are acting in their best interest, but actually the only ones to cash in are the WINNING government officials and their plundering ‘business partners’. Someday you, Tseleng, and many other fools will realise that you were in fact being just that – a fool to have believed that you were WINNING!

      Fanie - 2011-04-19 15:54

      Hoor Hoor

      pop101 - 2011-04-19 16:06

      Talking bout State coffers - apparently SARS is not paying out at the moment for some reason. Maybe a shortage of capital in the pockets. Hope DA investigates.

  • SymbolOfLife - 2011-04-19 15:35

    the screens are up to intimidate the opposition. simple as that. Probably not a bad idea. But consider this. Today is, in all normal senses of the world, a work day. It is for this reason amazing that ANCYL supporters apparently do not have to work, and can hang out at court all day. Oh, I forgot, they are probably unemployed. But then, why are they unemployed? Oh, possibly 'cos they hang out at the court (and other mass gatherings) instead of making a positive contribution to society?? If JuJu had ANY humanity in him, he would've, before entering court, asked the crowd to leave and go find an honest way to provide for their families instead of motivating them to to the exact opposite. Well, that's what I would have done.

  • Michael - 2011-04-19 15:35

    Yeah, I can see some of these whiteys still think that we are in 1953 era. Their afriforum and Tau (where the f**k is Transvaal in SA map) ask for live broadcast of court proceeding, it gets granted, now blacks can't watch those proceedings. Makes you wonder if there's bobotie inside their skulls.

      Fanie - 2011-04-19 15:56

      Mike ... you are not helping yourself

      Verbatim - 2011-04-19 15:58

      Its "in the 50's" not "1953 era". An era is a commonly used word for long period of time. Maybe in your little world, a year is along time, but please, use the language correctly or STFU. Transvaal cannot be IN a map, but ON it. Seems to me you have marogo in your skull.

      Bambie - 2011-04-19 16:14

      BRK... you should enlighten the people there with your statements and see ???

      KnysnaSha - 2011-04-19 16:27


      SymbolOfLife - 2011-04-20 12:23

      Well, this makes me wonder why you Govt still prints ID documents referring to Transvaal you moron.

  • Johann Jordaan - 2011-04-19 15:36

    @ Tseng, you defeated us as much as you defeated us in Angola. We gave up the country in a referendum, which you are probably to young to remember. We gave up this beautiful country knowing full well that you would come into power and that you will hopefully recognise that we had made a mistake oppresing our fellow south africans. Some said dont do it.....they will ruin the country , it is going to look like the rest of africa in 20yrs time......but we still did it, hoping for the best. i am starting to think that you are no different then mugabe, and that the nay sayers was right, in that we are starting to look like the rest of africa.

      WaterBaby - 2011-04-20 10:21

      Thank you for doing the right thing Johann and to all those others who also had the commen sense to vote correctly. It was the right thing to do as a human being and the only choice that was probably available at the time to possibly prevent an ugly civil war. My education, my family's education and some of the lucky members of my greater community, that were equally fortunate enough to have the capacity and capability to further themselves, is actually worth something today. This education has given me both financial and personal confidence to work and live anywhere in the world. As a South African, I choose the country of my birth as my place of residence. Scary to think what future we would have had as South Africans, if the referendum swung the other way. We can all only parting, a reality which one should not overlook is that our country and the rest of the world is full of racists, biggots, corrupt officials and really frustrated angry people. Varying degrees but only marginally. It WOULD be great if we could see more positive, level-headed citizens emerging from our society so that the perception could swing like your vote did.

  • Sho Fukamachi - 2011-04-19 15:38

    Why is a big screen at court proceedings in the first place? It's not a f'ing cinema, it's the house of law. But then again, the ANC circus never ceases to amaze me. ANC supporters must be some of the dumbest of the dumb ever to exist. Literally the last left-over scum of the gene pool.

      Fanie - 2011-04-19 15:57

      Born in the shallow end of the gene pool shortly after someone had a huge dump in it

      william.botha - 2011-04-19 20:46

      Just remember that its not the majority of black people who supports this garbage song.

  • Sho Fukamachi - 2011-04-19 15:40

    I have the solution to all of this. Let's go back to the dark ages, and let these idiots become slaves again. I'm sure a century of slavery or two will end the Malema/Zuma gene forever.

  • Lew - 2011-04-19 15:44

    When Nelson Mandela was in charge of S.A., I was a proud citizen.Now when I see this malema clown and other anc cohorts carrying on, I feel we have moved backwards in time - just like Iran etc etc

  • Mswati - 2011-04-19 15:46

    Ever whining for nothing, the ETv is broacasting the proceedings and a big screen is set out outside how is affecting the opposing counsel. Stop whining and show facts not fallacies

      pop101 - 2011-04-19 16:10

      Man speaks inside court against Malema...get's identified on Bigscreen. That man eventually have to leave court. Sometimes crowds of people can sweep each other up to a point of frenzy. It happens a lot in SA, especially with strikes (burning, plundering, even the odd killing of a foreigner)....and these are the facts, Mswati. I'll be careful and not call it a cultural thing.

  • GeneralCS - 2011-04-19 15:47

    "...illiterate court needed to be educated." LMAO. These people will say anything. I say, let them have their song. We know they're not the sharpest tools in the shed and trying to reason with these people doesn't work too well. Intelligent black people will rise to the top and the rest of them will always be hateful that they were never able to achieve success. However, they won't look at themselves and ask, "why have I not managed to become a success?" They'd rather blame it on the past. If you haven't managed to improve yourself in 17 years, then you have nobody but yourself to blame.

  • James - 2011-04-19 15:54

    I wish we could implement a hypothetical experiment whereby all white South Africans left on a 5 year long holiday. The country would crumble to the ground, mass unemployment, crime would sky rocket and they could experience first-hand the ultimate ‘vision’ on the ANC youth league. The lack of foresight, education and critical thinking is problem facing the South African population at the moment. The support for Malema is a direct result of the above problems mentioned. Voting in SA is not about credentials or policies, it is only about race and the idea that voting for your colour will somehow benefit the people. Simply, keep the people stupid – and thereby keep them voting ANC. And to be honest, the ANC are doing an excellent job at that!

      GeneralCS - 2011-04-19 16:10

      I think your experiment has already been carried out. It's called 90% of Africa. Case in point, Zimbabwe.

      Dilika - 2011-04-19 16:17

      James I can't wait for the day your hypothesis will be tested. You guys think your are God's greatest gift to South Africa and without you we will fail. Please bring it on

      James - 2011-04-19 16:24

      @Dilika - Well if you call brains a gift from god, then i guess so. As GeneralCS says, we have a prime example of it in Zimbabwe! The outcome is fairly obvious, failure.

      WaterBaby - 2011-04-20 12:00

      @James...your envisaged experimental outcome seems to be the general perception of this country's current state. which leads one to believe if one follows your train of 'thought', that the element you believe will cause a reaction is actually...ineffective.

      Realist - 2011-04-20 12:12

      James, there are also many delinquint, uneducated, useless, entitled whites as there similar individuals within any other race group. To state openly that SA would collapse if ALL whites left, surely takes away from massive contributions made to society and this country from other races! Take note that with this kind of comment, you will polarise communities that stand for what is right! To generalise that ALL whites are responsible for the growth and development of SA is to say the least the dumbest thing I have ever heard. I will mention it to my indian aunt who is the Human Rights commissioner at The Hague!

      Realist - 2011-04-20 12:29

      James, there are many whites who have made none or very little contribution to this country, who still live in a mindset of entitlement and who do most certainly commit fraud, sexual offenses, are racist and bigoted and who believe that they are superior and privileged! However, similar thoughts, attitudes and actions are found in every race within our complex society. But just like the whites other races have also made enormous contributions to SA and society, so to comment that SA is solely economically powered by ALL whites without any acknowledgement of the contributions of other races who work equally hard, in fact have had to work even harder than the whites to assert the positions in the workplace where they perform equally well if not better is short sighted and clear reflection of a supremist attitude! Comments like yours serve to only polarize society further along racial lines, when at the moment like minded people of all races need to stand together to fight against the current oppressor, who are the ANC!

  • closedeye - 2011-04-19 15:54

    Maybe they should charge the supporters a cinema fee, because I am sure the ANC will need some money after this case to pay the legal fees or is this funded from the money they stole

  • KnysnaSha - 2011-04-19 15:55

    "Meanwhile, ANC secretary general Gwede Mantashe took the stand for the first time on Tuesday. He said the intention of the song was to inspire and mobilise people" Inspire them to what? Kill farmers?? And them mobilise them? Go to the farms to do it? Or am I reading to much into it??

  • shane.jacoby - 2011-04-19 15:57

    I read some of the comments here below... Perhaps someone can reason and debate with me like a logical adult... Let's see, what is this case about? a.) Boere who feel that the song is derogative towards them just as the way "Kaffer" was to black people. Meaning: If white people can't say the "K" word anymore, then why are black people allowed to sing about "killing Boere?" It's like telling a boy, "yes you can bully your sister"; but then you tell the girl, "stop complaining about it!!" There's nothing fair about that... b.) They believe that this song instills hatred and violence towards white people and especially farmers. Meaning: If you sing the song enough, you might just decide to do it! So if there has been 3000 farm murders since 1994, who's to say that none of those are NOT the responsibility of the "song." Sure, we can't say the song provoked them, but we can't say it didn't either.. So why do it? Meaning: No matter how much you would like to state facts, opinions, heritage or ANYTHING - this case revolves around emotion and how certain expressions affect certain ethnic groups. If one should stop with any derogatory manners, so should the other...

      James - 2011-04-19 16:01

      Well said Shane!

      Bright_Blue - 2011-04-19 16:52

      THANK YOU!! Finally someone who is able to debate like a mature, logical ADULT!! you should testify in court Shane.Jacoby and turn a 10 day trial into a 15 minute trial. INSTEAD they wasting tax payers money by pointessly debating with that JOKE (Julius Malema). It is rather simple. if i am not allowed to mention the word K**fer or b**tu...if im NOT allowed to sing: kill the k*****/ban** then it is WRONG to sing KILL THE BOER!! there is no two ways about it and it doesnt take a university graduate or rocket scientist to figure that one out! the sad thing about this whole that Julius will probably win this case and there is nothing that we as logical thinking individuals can do about that!

  • closedeye - 2011-04-19 15:58

    i still wonder in awe how the ANC and the ANCYL is actually going to defeat the constitution. If they lose are they actually going to accept it? And those morons at the court, do they actually have nothing else to do but go sit infornt of the court to show support for this bullshit. Damn I never thought SA had so many idiots around and then they all ANC supports.