Malema: Hawks 'have a lot to go through'

2011-08-21 11:35

Johannesbrug - An investigation into alleged fraud and corruption by ANC Youth League president Julius Malema has started, the Hawks said on Sunday.

"We are looking into the [Ratanang family] trust, and whatever any avenues our investigation brings us to,"Hawks spokesperson McIntosh Polela said.

"We will not be taking cues from the media in our investigation. We have our own ways of finding stuff out."

He said the Hawks made the decision to initiate the investigation over a week ago.

"There is a lot that we have to go through, so it is difficult for us to say when the investigation would be completed. We are not committing to a specific date yet."

He said the unit would take action against Malema based on the results of the investigation.

This follows the ANC's announcement on Friday of dates for disciplinary hearings for both Malema and party spokesperson Floyd Shivambu.

Malema recently said the league would send a team to Botswana to consolidate local opposition parties and help bring about regime change. It believed the government there was "in full co-operation with imperialists" and undermining the "African agenda".

The ANC publicly rebuked the league. The league in turn said it did not believe it was in the wrong or going against ANC policy. It expressed disappointment at being publicly rebuked before the matter had been internally discussed.

The hearings would take place on August 30 and 31.


  • Grant - 2011-08-21 11:41

    Don't take too long lads, strike while the iron is hot but be thorough, don't give his defence team any grounds for charges to be dropped or overturned on spurious technicalities.

      Obama Bin Laden - 2011-08-21 13:51

      They must nail this dog. For all our sakes

      Ldn_saffa - 2011-08-21 14:59

      Recently overheard during a meeting at the Hawks head office. "Sh!t Captain!! How the f#ck are we going to loose all this evidence?!"

      LBS - 2011-08-21 15:01

      Eurocentric : 400 years ago whites set their life up - why did those who have been here before not do it??? We DID work for what we got, thank you very much. Right from Jan van Riebeeck's time!

      Grant - 2011-08-21 15:11

      @Eurocentric. What has this political posturing have to do with an article regarding a long overdue investigation into the corrupt and illegal profiteering of arguably one of the most destabilising and divisive characters in the history of South Africa?

      umlaut - 2011-08-21 15:30

      Yes like the Shaik's case when he attacked the journalist---the police is trying to figure out if it happened in SA or on Mars.

      william.botha - 2011-08-21 16:17

      Eurocentric, you say "NONSENSE 400 Years of white supremacy set your life up"?? Correction lad, maybe 4000 years. You are obsessed dude. Even if all whites are removed from the planet, or even if they never existed, your fate would remain the same. Consider this important hint! - Bring something of value to the table if you want to negotiate, not something irrational. Not just you, but everybody that feels they have been oppressed. Wake up to reality, what do you call poor whites that have been desperately poor for generations? Were they oppressed or do you think there is no such thing as poor whites? It seems that you don't have the intellectual capacity to understand the fundamental differences between cultures. Here is a hint for you. Africa VS Australia. Or Africa VS Germany. Do you see it? I knew you wouldn't, but I wish you did then you can stop this obsessive behavior. White people benefited because of their genetic and cultural inheritance. You can blame even God for it, but it remains a fact and there is nothing you can do to change it. If there were no blacks in Africa, do you think whites wouldn't have prospered here? We owe you forkall dude.

      dominik - 2011-08-21 16:50

      Eurocentric. you have been quoting that paragraph all over the place. so, the 12million Nigerians living on a garbage dump outside lagos, are at the bottom of the food chain because of oppression. and again i ask about the jews. they have been oppressed, excluded and murdered for over 2000 years, but they do blame and moan the whole time.

      dominik - 2011-08-21 16:53

      Eurocentric. you have been quoting that paragraph all over the place. so, the 12million Nigerians living on a garbage dump outside lagos, are at the bottom of the food chain because of oppression. and again i ask about the jews. they have been oppressed, excluded and murdered for over 2000 years, but they do blame and moan the whole time.

      Frans Smith - 2011-08-21 16:57

      @eurocentric - "white supremacy" as you call it was due to intellectual supremacy, leading to advancement in all areas, at the time - leading to underpreviledged (or oppressed as you call it)? Your forefathers were not held down...they were underdeveloped due to their own slow development. who's fault was that?

      Komasa - 2011-08-21 17:20

      @Frans Smith no one asked you to come here and 'develope' us, your European history and western culture, the culture of greed, is not all that rosy either.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-08-21 17:36

      @Komasa - oh well then that sorts everything out, so what's the fuss then about living in a house and not a shack? Why not burn your computer, cellphone, clothes etc. as well? After all you never asked for it, so please do us all a favour, forget education, and go back to the bush, climb the nearest tree and then you'll be happy, seeing as you never asked for it!

      dominik - 2011-08-21 18:16

      @Komasa. no one said its better, or right, but its the way of the world. you can't be that pathetic and say no ask us to come here and 'develop' you guys. we conquered and ruled. we were stronger. but the human race has moved on and now we try and be fair. there is no way that we would have given sa to you to rule a 100 years ago. if there was no pressure from the rest of the world, sa would still be ruled by a white minority.

      dominik - 2011-08-21 18:19

      @Komasa, and what is this about western culture being a culture of greed. so african people did not know the concept of greed?

      dominik - 2011-08-21 18:53

      @changeisGood. what is the economic freedom that you are talking about? what would it mean to someone living in the township today. and how would it help him/her getting economic freedom if the government would nationalize all mines, banks and farmland tomorrow?

      Grant - 2011-08-21 18:56

      @ change is good....You should get your facts right boet! Helen Zille did fight apartheid - it was in an organisation called the black sash!

      PinkAndProud - 2011-08-21 18:59

      @Change is good - do your sorry self a big favour and find out about Helen Zille's past. You might just been rather embarrassed about what you've just written.

      william.botha - 2011-08-21 21:03

      changeisGood. You have just affirmed that you are indeed incapable of reasonable intellectual communication. In your reduced intellect you will always see any performer as a traitor. Indeed the sentiment of the ANCYL who do not comprehend that opposition in government is necessary and and quite legal. You see the opposition as the enemy. Great mistake. You see anybody who has the power to uplift themselves as the enemy, GRAVE MISTAKE. You overlook the skimming of funds by your hero Malema because he is black. Racist. Yet your future is right by you, and you don't see it. When you get off that horse of yours you might find there are many enabled citizens who would gladly teach you skills, but through your mentality you prove beyond doubt that your kind is beyond help. I know and have been told that white people pose an intellectual threat to black people with your mentality, and seeing that you will never be able to compete, you revert to that which you know best like your ancestors, eliminate the "threat". That means that those of you who choose this way portrayed by the ANCYL and Floyd and Malema have yet to emerge from the dark ages. You reflect the primitive mindset that has been the nemesis of this dark continent, Africa. You have not progressed, you cannot adapt to civilization, you are doomed. It is so obvious to everybody else but you lot that just cannot adapt to modern civilization, you remain scavengers and opportunistic hunters with no way forward but to scavenge.

      J.B - 2011-08-22 07:00

      @Eurocentric - You have posted the exact same posts a few weeks ago... over and over again. It's getting old. No one cares what you think. Now bugger off!

  • Marcell - 2011-08-21 11:42

    Everything points to a never ending investigation. It is amasing that you can stil get into the room with all the cr@p that is under the carpet.

  • Greg - 2011-08-21 11:44

    I sincerely hope that you conduct a world class investigation - and do not bow down to your political bosses....Go for it and do it well....(One way or the other - South Africans need to know if Malema is honest or dis-honest). But whatever you do, do it quickly.

  • Macho Mike - 2011-08-21 11:46

    I bet they have a lot to go through. Mr Carpenter has lied for so long about his financial affairs - this "Oak" must "Willow" behind bars for a long time. I want to hear him "Pine", be found "Plum" guilty and see his career get reduced to "Ashes" "Wood" you belief him anymore?

  • Thandi - 2011-08-21 11:47

    Please, please, please find as muck muck as it takes to silence this pig-headed imbecile forever. Just imagine - if he is knocked off his pedestal and silenced forever, we can start to focus on more important things like how best to clean up dog s**t from the grass. I long for the day i might stumble across fatboy when he has found his true calling and level in life as a car guard or a public toilet cleaner (not that I intend any slight on people in these jobs).

      LBS - 2011-08-21 15:05

      I won't be surprised if he takes his millions and runs overseas!

      tryanything - 2011-08-21 15:40

      Where do they take his type ?South of France???

  • Green Oaks - 2011-08-21 11:48

    Being groomed as the next President. Need to be a fraudster and corrupt.

      Marcell - 2011-08-21 11:50

      The guys that paid him , ala Shabir will be prosecuted and he will walk.

      JOGGIE - 2011-08-21 12:28

      he needs to spend some time in jail first

      Raymond - 2011-08-21 21:04


  • Pietta - 2011-08-21 11:48

    Burn fat boy... BURN...

  • Robbie - 2011-08-21 11:57

    There was an American,a Russian and Malema having a chat.The Russian said that they were the first nation to have a satelite station. The American said that they were the first nation to have a man on the moon. Malema said that he will be the first person to land on the sun.The American and the Russian said that it would be too hot-Malema's response was-Well then we will go at night.

      Ian - 2011-08-21 12:01

      was originally blondie but works just as well ;)

      Raymond - 2011-08-21 21:11

      Some things I heard.In the Caster Semenya saga,'He is not a man,he is a woman'... and.... 'If you had to fail matric,would you commit suicide? Are you mad,I will never do such a horrible thing,I will rather kill myself'!!!!!!

  • Ian - 2011-08-21 12:02

    nail him boys, sluit die vark toe

      Marcell - 2011-08-21 12:43

      dassie, klim terug in jou gat.

      Alan - 2011-08-21 17:55

      Ja klim terug in jou gat of klip waar jy hoort

  • george60 - 2011-08-21 12:04

    Be quick with the investigation and charge dossier please, the constitution can easily be altered by tata Zuma? Thou shalt not interfere how any ANC comrades consolidate his wealth. Tata Zuma has not declare his assests, its very much unfair towards Malema, its a case of like father like son?

  • climactix - 2011-08-21 12:16

    I think it would be helpful if the Hawks set up an anonymous tip-off 'hotline' - including an anonymous email system. It could even facilitate those involved with his shenanigan ways to come clean in the hope for some form of clemency.

  • fullmoon - 2011-08-21 12:20

    juju is not worried, he has deleted all his emails and sent files...hahaha

      PinkAndProud - 2011-08-21 12:41

      Obviously you don't know too much about IT. Because it's deleted, it doesn't mean it's gone.

      Thandi - 2011-08-21 14:25

      Pink is correct - all ISP's are obliged to keep all e-mails, transmissions, etc. for a number of years, and can be subpoenaed any time to produce all e-mail traffic for any one of us. Has been used very successfully to nail scumbags like child pornographers, etc.

      LBS - 2011-08-21 15:11

      Oh dear oh dear, a lot of us can be locked up then just for the things we post on these blogs! Even assassinated!

      Modicum of Reason - 2011-08-21 15:26

      Uhm guy's... fullmoon was being sarcastic.

      Alan - 2011-08-21 18:13

      Many a true word spoken in jest.. or sarcasm

  • JOGGIE - 2011-08-21 12:24

    May he rot in jail.The truth will come out.He is getting the medicine he deserves.

      Alan - 2011-08-21 18:15

      JOGGIE.. Yes, we hope

  • Tim - 2011-08-21 12:30

    May not be a religious guy, but definitely praying for them to find the worst of the worst about fat boy; ALSO to actually pull off the prosecution, potentially great news we have here.

  • Vela Stardust - 2011-08-21 12:35

    Hawks, we will judge you by your deeds!

  • Harambe - 2011-08-21 12:38

    He is going down, and this time it's for real. He does not have the poor's interest at heart but his. He is just another common thief and no Robin Hood.

      Marcell - 2011-08-21 12:46

      Just another ancESTOR hard at work.

  • dirtyjohn - 2011-08-21 12:44

    Mr malema and his pet have been very quiet of late! it's nice.

  • Coinguy - 2011-08-21 12:56

    Malema may just be following the example given by the ANC leadership in the arms deal. The difference is that he may expose the rot up top so must be silenced.

  • YasButIDunno - 2011-08-21 13:00

    Who is about to swop a cellphone for a jailcell? Who is about to swop an AMG for GBH? Julius Malema: you are the weakest link - GOODBYE!!!!

  • Brian - 2011-08-21 13:02

    If the Hawks cannot build a huge prima facie case against this criminal based just on what was reported in the papers, they are incompetent. And this is just the tip of the ice berg.

  • Boxxer - 2011-08-21 13:02

    How credible are the Hawks?

      Genevieve - 2011-08-21 13:06

      Good question, they will be intimidated by fatboy's guards, and the whole thing will just fizzle out. But if they try, fatboy has enough dirt on top ANC bigwigs, they'll all come tumbling down together. But then new judge mogeng will just chuck it out, so we then can look forward to fatboy being pres.

  • Paul - 2011-08-21 13:14

    more than likely a little smoke screen to blow up our ass... and to shut us up so the corruption can continue unabated

  • gatvol4corru - 2011-08-21 13:24

    Go McIntosch! Do SA proud and investigate the arrogant-racist-incompetent-teen-thieve and let justice prevails! We have had enough of corruption and the ANC's way of taking care of their own! By the way,Julius can not play golf,....

  • Harambe - 2011-08-21 13:34

    Let not our comradeship be a blindfold to fraud, corruption, self-enrichment, poor service, substandard living, tenderpreneurship, heavy taxation, embezzlement, nepotism, and so on. My vote was not your ticket to the gravy train. Start acting and delivering on promises made to guarantee my vote: fire Cele, Shiceka, Mahlangu-Nkabinde and Juju to show zero tolerance to fraud & corruption or else......

      PinkAndProud - 2011-08-21 13:39

      You mean you voted for the ANC? Jeeez, I thought you were more intelligent than that.

      Grant - 2011-08-21 14:31

      No Pink, the more the ANC voters take this attitude the faster our democracy can mature.

      LBS - 2011-08-21 15:18


      Yar - 2011-08-22 21:36

      @Pink Guess what? Harambe is upset that he has wasted his vote. Like all the others, he will do it again next time.

  • Dirk - 2011-08-21 13:44

    They won't find anything....

  • Proud Juju Fan - 2011-08-21 14:01

    Can the hawks investigate serious crime that really affects people instead of being Malema-Phobia. The law must not be used as a weapon to target indivisuals. Afri-Forum has nothing else to do except to eat, sleep, sneeze, eat & live Malema like the rest of South Africa is doing. There is no single day we don't think about Julius Malema. A lot of people know a lot about Malema than themselves.

      LBS - 2011-08-21 15:23

      Because there is not a single day Malemmer is not shoved down our throats by the Media, because he is constantly carrying on with his sh@t! Believe me we are also sick of him!

  • justathought - 2011-08-21 14:03

    All Politicians are corrupt, They must Investigate the whole parliament if they where to get somewhere, His friends will obviously help him out

  • acsteyn - 2011-08-21 14:27

    I am not suprised by the amount of time it will take because there is so much to find. This hero of the revolution and matyr for the poor. What a ruse? But perhaps he is just stealing to give to the poor? A real day Robin Hood. He just got the story wrong. He forgot to give it to the poor.

  • acsteyn - 2011-08-21 14:30

    Remember your speech in 2009 Malema? "identify the people who steal from the people when they have lots of money in their bank accounts that they cannot explain". Remember that. The mamba has come back to bite your asp.

  • Jarryd - 2011-08-21 15:04

    *waits for the HAWKS to be shut down like the scorpions* :P

  • Zakhele - 2011-08-21 15:17

    It is not just Malema it's the whole lot. I am surprised that the HAWKS only act after the media and the opposition parties have exposed Malema. Why not investigate all of them? Ag man, the HAWKS are just another mini ANC leaugue.

  • Ang - 2011-08-21 15:22

    There was tons of evidence on JZ and he got off?!?! What is going to make JM's investigation or any court case any different..... I have very little faith that anything will happen to him or the tenderpreneurs involved.

  • Boxxer - 2011-08-21 16:20

    And don't forget to expose the bribe you will be receiving shortly

  • Obama Bin Laden - 2011-08-21 16:31

    @Eurocentric: If only you spent as much time trying to get somewhere in life as you do feeling sorry for yourself

  • dominik - 2011-08-21 16:48

    Eurocentric. you have been quoting that paragraph all over the place. so, the 12million Nigerians living on a garbage dump outside lagos, are at the bottom of the food chain because of oppression. and again i ask about the jews. they have been oppressed, excluded and murdered for over 2000 years, but they do blame and moan the whole time.

  • vegetarian - 2011-08-21 17:30

    This relentless spotlight on Malema is tiring. Important issues are being ignored in favour of this one story. If the crime is reported and is being investigated, why can't the media move on to more important issues like: runaway poverty; leading to runaway crime almost non existent teaching in some schools fronting by white people price rigging extortionate bank charges unethical business practices accelerated land reform lack of service delivery racism and victimization of blacks by the DA in the Western Cape discrimination by white companies ineffiency in the public service unruly public servants abuse of state resources for private gain more acts of corruption corruption by officers of state dismal perfomance by state health service etc etc etc ad infinitum The media is clearly ruling South Africa. The thieving conglomerates are laughing all the way to the bank while we bicker over peanuts allegedly stolen by Malema.

      PinkAndProud - 2011-08-21 17:46

      Besides being a black supremacist as well as a comedian in real life, don't you ever get tired of making a completely ass of yourself on a continual basis? On the TimesLive site you were shot down every time you showed you VrotCabbage face there and you thoroughly disgraced yourself after falsifying a truce with Pheaudioux. At what point will you realise that people have absolutely no respect for you or your petty little comments? As an spoilt, precocious only child, your parents obviously thought you were wonderful every time you squeaked, but this is the real world girlie, and you should rather go back to your cabbage patch where they appreciate you.

      Shrike - 2011-08-21 18:32

      Looks like ANCYL has been mobilized to disrupt the juju comments with racist agitation. Carry on guys..... Show the world what you are really all about. At the very least you will all expose yourselves as the racist pigs you are!

      PinkAndProud - 2011-08-21 19:33

      @Vrotcabbage - well done girlie, you've just exposed yourself as the piece of work you are. Pure trash.

  • Babba x - 2011-08-21 17:41

    Sure, you couldn't even find a multimillion dollar payment as part of the arms deal scandal. The PARROTS will find a way to cover for comrade Malema

  • RWR - 2011-08-21 17:54

    Eucocentric, you seem like the right person to answer my burning question, and that is at what age is an anc official considered an adult. In the Jewish community (and I'm not Jewish but do have respect for their race)a boy enters adulthood from the age of 13. In most communities, boys become men between the ages of 18 and 21. Juliass is 35 and still part of a youth league. Does that mean that his race is slower to develope, is it the anc that is slow to develope or is there something I'm missing. When, in juliass's community does a boy become a man and why do you think it takes someone like him far longer than the rest of us?

  • Carl Muller - 2011-08-21 17:56

    Just look at his credit card...

  • Shrike - 2011-08-21 18:41

    Looks like ANCYL has been mobilized to disrupt the juju comments with racist agitation. Carry on guys..... Show the world what you are really all about. At the very least you will all expose yourselves as the racist pigs you are! If our beautiful south africa fails it will be due to black racism such as we see from the ANC and in Zimbabwe. White people left Apartheid behind and moved on - as per Mandelas vision! You guys should try that too, you feel much better if you do not carry all that pointless hatred around in your head. Oppressed or not you need to get on with your lives and move forward. Don't drag us all down because you can't compete on even terms!

  • Ozymandios - 2011-08-21 19:11

    @ The Truth you really seem to live in cuckoo land don't you?. Go take a farmer's farm off him and then you'll see salt ploughed into the ground (no crops for 30 years) and he'll burn the rest down. Try and nationalise a mine and surprise surprise all of a sudden it will be flooded and in some cases even just get blown up.They use explosives in mines and a lot of people knwo how to use them. As for banks- Ja boetie! try and take the Illuminati's wealth away and you'll really find out what concrete shoes are all about. Wake up! natinalisation will make SA totally bankcrupt but it will ensure your black brothers and sisters will really know what supression is all about, because there'll be nothing to eat and no gold to sell. Its called SCORTCHED EARTH POLICY and its been practised many many times before, all over the world, when war gets to its ugliest. Read history my dear person and learn - you can postulate and perform all you want but trust me that will happen and everyone will suffer but you more than us.

  • pitbull - 2011-08-21 20:03

    What goes around comes around. Karma is working hard on Mr Mampara and hopefully the Khamas of Botswana will do so too.

  • verstom - 2011-08-22 04:18

    vegetarian you have a pumkin head you idiot.Maybe you and malema are giving each other in the arse, someting he will get a lot when he put on the orange suit.You must be very jelous at that prospect.

  • hansgat_masepa - 2011-08-22 08:44

    the hawks are wasting their time, our future president did nothing rong he is fighting counter revolutionaries who make up stories with controlled media

  • Brillianto - 2011-08-22 12:29

    Shabir Shaik did fraud...Did he end up in jail? No! If you have money is South Africa YOU DO NOT END UP IN JAIL!! Bear that in mind gud ppl.

  • james reel - 2011-08-22 14:23

    News 24 shame on you every article revolve around the same stalemate story it appears you cannot find more info on Malema and what is transpiring.Please report when you have real news the same goes for the Libyan stories you have reported so many articles and nothing changes, you saying the same thing over and over again.We neeeeeeeeeeeeeeed fresh news if you want readersssssssssssssssssssss

  • Jimmyfuse - 2011-08-22 15:01

    Nothing on earth is going to mame me happier than watching Julius Malema get what he deserves! he's a blatant lier and thief - there's nothing more to it. He actually thought that he could continue his disregard for the laws and people of South Africa without any conseqence at all! Since he's come onto the scene, anyone with half a brain could see how corrupt and dishonest an individual he is - All while trying to "help" the poor!

  • GLF - 2011-08-22 16:37

    The Hawks, the unit created for the sole purpose of not investigating corruption in the ANC, is going to investigate Malema? Riiiiight!

  • The_Rock - 2011-08-23 14:31

    Guys remember Malema was not yet in prison and to qualify for Parliament you have to serve some time regardless for what it is planting a limpet mine, rape or fraud .

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