Malema facing more charges

2012-09-12 15:38

Johannesburg - Trade union Solidarity has laid another charge of incitement to violence against expelled ANCYL president Julius Malema on Wednesday, for allegedly provoking further unrest amongst striking mineworkers.

The latest charge comes after Malema addressed mineworkers at Gold Fields' KDC West mine near Carletonville on Tuesday, and called on mineworkers to embark on a nationwide strike, said spokesperson Johan Kruger in a statement.

Kruger said the charge would be added to the charge sheet following Solidarity laying a charge against Malema for incitement to public violence and intimidation last week Wednesday.

"Solidarity feels that urgent intervention is needed to ensure that Malema is prevented from continuing his inciting statements and so-called mine revolution."

He said Malema was an opportunist, causing alarm among ordinary South Africans, and playing a dangerous game by exploiting mineworkers for his personal gain at the cost of the country's stability.

Malema was expected to speak to SANDF soldiers on Wednesday afternoon in Lenasia, Johannesburg.

  • desertratbkf - 2012-09-12 15:46

    One bullet, one malema. He doesnt deserve a capital M. Fithly low life scoundrel!

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-09-12 16:46

      He has more political acumen than you clearly. You cannot beat him so you want to kill him. You are the low-life to me.

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 18:25

      Sure desert rat! That'll make everything go away

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-09-12 18:47

      Vernon, you are being rational, stop wasting your time!

  • gloria.mathebula.9 - 2012-09-12 15:53

    And I ask why is Zuma still the president of the country!!!!????? he must step down today!!!!!!!

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-12 18:36

      And I ask why did FatBoy ever aid Zooomer in becoming president of the country in the first place? Your hero wasn't too klevah then was he? And you think he's even kleverrah today?

      ro.jhb.1 - 2012-09-13 11:00

      Fat boy was so brilliant that he would kill for Zuma while all and sundry said what a corrupt useless spear he was. Clearly fat boy had little brains then - what has actually changed. He is a greedy fat boy (emphasis on boy) who should be in charge of himself. He offer nothing but anger. He is a pr-ck

  • bullardx - 2012-09-12 15:53

    lock him... torture him.. shoot long as his done for:p

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-09-12 16:43

      Nice. Sure you are yearning for the return of apartheid as well.

      vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-09-12 17:46

      So your solution is to torture and kill him. And you say that I lack common sense!!!

      godfrey.welman - 2012-09-12 18:45

      @Tienie, is this not the reason the anc remains in power...manipulating the poor.

      ro.jhb.1 - 2012-09-13 11:01

      Vernon you are a t-t

  • Bra Tebzaah Sibilanga - 2012-09-12 15:55

    These solidarity group is boring.I dont like them and no black person should take it seriously.Their obsession with Juju proves he gives them sleepless nights.They cant fool us,we know they dont like us.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-12 16:07

      Ummm, they don't like people who incite you?

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 18:27

      Oh tienie smh

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-12 18:38

      Tienie.mac ~ It's way beyond their comprehension to even TRY and understand, let alone get the concept. Really sad.

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  • michael.rampatla - 2012-09-12 15:57

    Go juju go, capitalists are scared

      Cameron - 2012-09-12 16:02

      U mean people with brains are scared.....

  • Thando Tdoz Kubheka - 2012-09-12 15:59

    Story modikwe u are a foolish man Malema is nowhere near like Mandela. Malema is a hooligan a high school drop out with a pea brain.

  • morne.nortier.98 - 2012-09-12 15:59

    The day people stop treating Malema as a joke in South Africa and rather a serious threat to the constitution of the country is the day you will get rid of him.

  • kelvin.rams - 2012-09-12 15:59

    How many charges does this juliASS hv or they a afriad 2 arrest him

  • jan.human - 2012-09-12 16:01

    The only "charge" getting through to him is red bull....He is "flying high".....Beware Mr Zuma... you are in danger of being replaced.....

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-09-12 16:06

    Good, If the useless ANC Government cant stop him, somebody else should.

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 18:34

      Oh please, Solidarity can't stop Malema

  • bongani.nsele.58 - 2012-09-12 16:08

    let's go where ever malema goes and we are sure to be also in the glare of the public eye....can these insignficants fade into obscurity or fade into oblivion where they belong

  • shelley.vorster.9 - 2012-09-12 16:08

    YOU think! Next question? Will something come of the charges or will it eventually be swept under the rug???

  • vernon.samuel.7 - 2012-09-12 16:10

    Malema may be an idiot, but he is not stupid. He merely called for strikes. How is that different to what unions do? It is entrenched in our constitution to strike for better working conditions. People calling for charges of treason against Malema are ignorant. Malema thrives on bad publicity and grinding against the grain of the rich and the whites. He needs to be respected as a serious political force and challenged on those grounds. Insults on a news site read by barely 2 percent of the population is not going to worry him.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-09-12 18:42

      "He needs to be respected as a serious political force and challenged on those grounds." Well said Vernon. The problem with this 2% of the population is that it has never had to engage politically because apartheid always made things easy for it. It is learning for the first time what true democracy and political engagement is.

  • bobo.jane.1 - 2012-09-12 16:10

    You don`t negotiate with communists/economic terrorists..It is not in their nature to negotiate, they only knows violence and destruction to achieve their political goals.You don`t lay cheap no use, so called criminal charges against these marxist trash. Fight fire with fire..Otherwise prepare yourselves and your childeren to get slaughtered like farmers in SA.

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 18:37

      I knew someone would throw farm murders into this

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-09-12 18:39

      It's so funny that it was your capitalists that used violence first against Africans, followed by the Anglo Boer war which was a resource conflict by the British to disenfranchise Afrikaners. You bleedin capitalists haven't hesitated to use violence to steal other people's livelihood, just look at the oil wars taking place in the Middle East.

  • glen.e.huysamer - 2012-09-12 16:13

    Solidarity should stay out of this, their actions draw the minority whites into this political disaster, Solidarity is poking their nose in where it does not belong and their actions serve only to implicate whites as the "enemy" to the black majority. They claim to represent minority groups in South Africa but lets be honest, South Africa has only started hearing about them now, while they try and make a name for themselves by laying charges against Malema they are worse than Malema, and their actions endanger the minority even more. They are a registered as a trade union, and they should stick to representing their members not try and play politicians, the same way Casatu have done all these years (just look where it has got them, and South Africa into) Solidarity does not represent the public of South Africa, minority or any other body, except their members, they have no space or mandate to lay charges against politicians, or civilians voicing their right t free speech. The ANC must sort out this mess, it is best that all minority parties to stand clear of this kind of action and let the ANC sort out the mess they have got S.A.into. Solidarity endangers any kind of neutrality that minority groups might still have in this issue, and they are only serving to increase racial tensions, in a matter which needs to be sorted out by the ANC ruling party, which they don't seem to know how to do. Let the rest of us, rather prepare to move forward not against

      thapelo.teleki - 2012-09-12 16:42

      tell them

      abdulbaith.sayegh - 2012-09-12 16:50

      Someone switched the lights on. Well said.

      bobo.jane.1 - 2012-09-12 16:57

      Verry well said - Thank you.

      ammpike - 2012-09-12 17:02

      Thank you Sir what you said made so much sense its the first time I hear a white man on this forum talking so much sense I just wish blacks don't judge all whites the only whites that are fools and racist are this minority whites on this forum thank you again

      bobo.jane.1 - 2012-09-12 18:21

      @ tienie : "SOLIDARITY is exercising the mandate of its members to protect their interests" Can you please tell me what Solidarity members will gain from all of this ?

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-12 18:39

      Well the lines are getting slightly longer ....

      moratiwa.ntwa - 2012-09-12 18:54

      You're absolutely right Glen. A well composed comment unlike some of the idiotic posts on this forum. Solidarity wants to berate Malema for spewing populist rhetoric to gain publicity, then goes & does the exact same thing. What a bunch of hypocrites! Truth be told it does make all "whites" look bad & for what? Who do these guys represent eintlek? They must be charged for wasting people's time on this nonsense!

      matla.motso - 2012-09-12 19:23

      Solidarity have no credibility, a group drawn along racial lines!

      sisa.mtwana - 2012-09-12 20:27

      Make me want to cry what you saying thank you. So true

      juan.johnson.792 - 2012-09-12 21:01

      Well said. Why do we always get branded as the bad guys. I work very hard for my money and then the next guy thinks that I am the enemy because I look like I am making money. It is very sad.

  • Keith - 2012-09-12 16:35

    All these charges and nothing gets done,who has the balls to do something,this idiot needs to be stopped.No one will invest in this country if this goes on!!

  • irvin.mkhari - 2012-09-12 16:41

    what a shame malema once call for nationalization of mine,banks and farm He was expelled in order to get reid of him and his ideas but still he have power even if he is not inside the is clear the he have power now the trade union lay charges against him,shame on the union.

  • frank.crane.180 - 2012-09-12 16:53

    Aim squeeze bang

  • banele.xaji - 2012-09-12 16:54

    This was coming- years ago. Malema just used the opportunity- but the untranformed, and resistance to tranformation by the ruling class lead to this. It's safe to say the the fallacy of a rainbow nation was doomed to fail, particularly since the inequalities persist. The ANC compromised too much during CODESA- and a real revolution is still yet to come.

  • lulama.mbelwa - 2012-09-12 17:42

    I for see chaos should Malema be arrested if it will even come to that, he has a lot of support and he's going around dividing the people and the government. He needs to just be ignored and not be given this spotlight he is getting. His followers are just as disturbed as he is and will do anything he tells them to do.

  • fidel.mgoqi - 2012-09-12 17:47

    There is that thing called free speech in this country, and calling for a national strike is not incitement. A mining revolution is going to happen in this country as the status qou is unsustainable. A pandora's box has been opened in Lonmin and there is no turning back. Africans have toiled the bossom of these mines for over 200 years, and have nothing to show for that. These Solidarity attention seekers must go hang!

      nads.delange - 2012-09-12 18:14

      Fidel, you are right, in our Constitution it says we have the right to strike, BUT THE RESPONSIBILITY TO DO SO PEACEFULLY. We also have the right to free speech, BUT THE RESPONSIBILITY NOT TO THREATEN OTHER PEOPLE, AND NOT TO INCITE VIOLENCE! People always want all their rights without any of the responsibilities. Malema has been inciting this violence, he has not purely been asking for a strike.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-09-12 18:29

      You are right, the miners are isolating a lot of people by resorting to violence which I am opposed to, but however their grieviances are genuine and shouldn't be overlooked. The time for exploiting workers must come to an end. A lot of people are gainst Nationalisation but these same people aren't willing to look themselves in the mirror and be honest about how miners in general have been treated in this country over generations, which is criminal. It is time that mine bosses slashed their profits and exhorbitant remuneration. Exploitative unfettered capitalism is unsuistanable. It is time that the elites showed the same willingness and spirit of co-operation that the downtrodden have shown to them.

      irene.buthelezi.1 - 2012-09-12 18:40

      Nads ~ Best to ignore the Fidel troll.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-12 19:47

      Fidel, I hear where you are coming from, but let me give you an alternative solution: education. Unfortunately in any country where so many people are uneducated and illiterate, you will have this issue. So instead of the government looking for quick fixes and using BEE to fix the top, they should've concentrated on saving the youth. Unfortunately this didn't happen, and now we have a whole generation that is lost and will have the same problems as their parents. So they will be pushed into low wage jobs (if they get jobs at all), because it is unjustifiable to pay uneducated people more than those with an education. Now, let's use that logic to debate the wage demands being made right now. These workers are demanding a crazy increase. They want a net pay of R12500. That probably relates to around R19000 gross pay. Wow, I have to say, I'm pretty sure there are a lot of highly qualified individuals (teachers come to mind) who do not earn close to that. But ignoring that fact, and the fact that on top of this basic salary they also earn quite substantial production bonuses, let's assume the mines give them this. Can I paint a picture of what will happen next? Engineers and qualified individuals will not lose their jobs, since they are difficult and costly to replace. So who will lose their jobs? Yip, these miners. There will definitely be retrenchments, since this kind of wage is not sustainable.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-12 19:57

      Nationalisation is not an option, it is a practice that has not worked in any other country (sound familiar, like OBE maybe?), so no reason why it would work here. In fact, that basically ensures that it won't work here. The fact is, the miners are sharing in the profits of the mines through the production bonuses they receive, so I don't think their plight is quite as dire as Malema would like everyone to believe. The fact is, if our corrupt government didn't pocket so much money, this country would be a lot better off. Fighting against people who work hard and studied hard for the money they earn right now, is also not fair.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-09-12 20:15

      There is nothing unsustainable about these workers' demands, the mining bosses just aren't playing along, they're holding up for more bonuses (have a look at the financials of these copamies). We hear of trickle down theory all the time, and uneducated masses, how are these people going to educate their children when they are being paid a pittance. The cycle of poverty has to be stopped and one way of doing this is to uplift people's living standards by paying them decent wages. As long as we are complicit with the idea that one person's time and expertise is worth hundreds of times more than another's (we don't need parity, but nor do we need these kind of levels of disparity), this will continue. If you don't want to clean your own toilet, clean the rubbish and vomit from the streets on a monday morning, wipe old people's bottoms etc - then please pay someone an appropriate amount of money to do it for you. Their time is in fact more valuable than yours because their life expectancy is shorter.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-12 20:42

      Fidel, I do not believe that the miners are being paid pittance. I will agree with you on municipal cleaners' salaries, and domestic workers, they don't even earn enough to have a pension or medical aid (well, some of them anyway). But these miners are not in that position, and the fact that they are illegally striking, and using violence and threats to keep innocent people who just want to work, makes this even worse. I also agree with you that the disparity in this country is outrageous, professions such as nursing, teaching and policing earn peanuts, while the CEO of Eskom pockets millions every year. I agree that this is not right. I also agree that there cannot be pure parity, as this will encourage laziness and discourage hard work. So finding an inbetween is imperative. I believe we should start with the government, their salaries are ridiculous, and on top of that they pocket extra money as well. And as for the question on how these miners can afford to educate their children, my answer to that is simple: if the government didn't misuse and pocket all our tax money, they would be in a better position to fund schooling and train proper teachers and pay them proper salaries as incentives to study teaching. This would've been possible, and schooling could then be dirt cheap. But alas, we will not see this under the current ruling party.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-12 20:58

      The fact is, as long as people see the need for ridiculously elaborate houses and cars, and their own private jets and so forth, this will be a problem. Greed is disgusting, but unfortunately, it rules our world. Look at soccer players in Europe, movie stars, singers. They earn more than most of us can spend in a lifetime, yet they will always want more. The fact is, the more you earn, the more you spend, and the more you want. It's human nature. There is a fine line between rewarding hard work and education with a better salary than those who do not work hard or have not studied, and paying someone more than they would ever need in a lifetime to live comfortably. This is not the making of capitalism, it is human nature. In socialist and communist societies people are even worse off than in capitalist countries. One day, we will find a middle ground, but I'm afraid I cannot see that day in the near future. The fact is, the way they are fighting it now is not going to work, it is not something that can work, they want total communism, which only drags a country down. We need a new government who uses tax money for upliftment, not enrichment, and then we need to educate people. Once people are educated, we will be able to uplift everyone. If you have a look at Australia for instance, there is very little "cheap labour". We need to get to that point. My proposal is not a quick fix, but it's one that can work and is sustainable.

      fidel.mgoqi - 2012-09-12 21:39

      One thing I will not shy away from is that this government is useless and hasn't helped things. Government agencies are filled with ANC placemen who are useless and have no interest in doing their jobs, only collecting their pay packets.

      nads.delange - 2012-09-12 22:10

      Fidel, I have a lot of respect for you. We need more people like you in South Africa! We need people who want this country to work for all its citizens!

  • Harold Chisimba - 2012-09-12 17:58

    This is anaked lie they won't charge him.

  • ken.rowe.509 - 2012-09-12 19:16

    Hey Jules, if I pay you R12,500 pm , will you work in my garden ?

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