Malema is lying, Madonsela says

2012-10-12 16:03

Cape Town - Public Protector Thuli Madonsela on Friday rejected Julius Malema's claim that she failed to give him the right to reply in her probe into suspected tender fraud in Limpopo.

"Mr Malema is not telling the truth," Madonsela told Parliament's portfolio committee on justice.

She was asked by an ANC MP about a complaint by the party's expelled youth leader that he was "found guilty in absentia".

Madonsela said she had not only sent Malema a copy of her preliminary findings, as is her custom with anybody at risk of an adverse finding, but had also given him an opportunity to be interviewed.

He replied in writing and in the negative, Madonsela said, adding that she was shocked, therefore, to hear his allegation.

"He responded in writing to say he would not like to be interviewed."

Madonsela gently mocked Malema for making public the fact that he was given a copy of her preliminary report while she kept silent about it so as not to prejudice his rights.

"The interesting thing is that Mr Malema is the one who has been telling people that he got this report," she said.

"I remember being interviewed by the BBC, I remember being interviewed by various news agencies and refusing to indicate whether or not he got the report, because for me that would be disclosing who in the report I am intending making adverse findings against.

"Mr Malema told the whole world he got the provisional report."

Madonsela said Malema complained to her around mid-August that he had not been interviewed as part of the investigation.

She wrote back to his lawyers within a day that the point of such an interview would be to allow Malema to give any additional information that would "prevent the adverse findings".

Malema then responded two weeks later that he was not available to be interviewed, she said.

Madonsela said her investigation and report focused on the R50m contract awarded to On-Point Engineers by the Limpopo roads and transport department, and not on Malema.

Her final report released this week found that there had been a complete failure to vet the company, which had been only a month old at the time of tender, and that its bid was "a deliberate and fraudulent misrepresentation".

Madonsela confirmed on Friday that she had formally referred the matter to the Hawks for investigation and recommended that criminal charges be brought.

Explaining her dealings with Malema under further questioning from the ANC, Madonsela said her probe led to him via a bank payment from On-Point to the Ratanang Family Trust, which belonged to Malema's family.

"The other thing to be noted is that in this report there isn't anything that speaks to Mr Malema specifically.

"The report talks to the Ratanang Family Trust having received more than R2.17m, the report also talks to a Ratanang farm having been bought.

"All of that information was not coming from interviews, it wasn't something that could be refuted by someone, it came from bank statements submitted to us by the sole director of On-Point."

She said she made no finding on whether the payment was improper, instead she simply stated irrefutable proof that the funds came from On-Point, who had obtained the money unlawfully from a rigged tender.

The statements showed that money flowed to the Ratanang Trust, the Ratanang farm, and "the Sundowns property".

This was not something Malema could prove otherwise in any interview, she added.

  • ChristelleJames - 2012-10-12 16:09

    Malema seems incapable of distinguishing between the truth and lies. Of course, there is a medical term for that.

      john.kirkwood.9619 - 2012-10-12 16:14

      jup its called stupidity

      Divvy - 2012-10-12 16:15

      The medical term is: Twee Gat Jakkals.

      Jellyarse - 2012-10-12 16:44

      Shame, poor Malenema - when he got the report he didn't bother to read it as he thought it was about his woodwork! Never did lenn to rid!

      dee.980 - 2012-10-12 16:46

      But it works for his supporters - who don't keep themselves informed, and believe anything he says. Deny and lie - learnt from his former masters.

      jimboyia - 2012-10-13 05:48


  • nishan.sitlu - 2012-10-12 16:09

    fat boy, fat boy, wat u gonna do, wat u gonna do when they come for u...

      grant.montgomery.5074 - 2012-10-12 16:39

      If I was in law enforcement I would stay way clear of Malema...

      morama.sebata - 2012-10-12 16:50

      No one would evr come for Julias Malema,Remeber JAcob Msholozi Zuma had once been in the same situation?South Africa is run by criminals.

  • danie.vanrooyen.10 - 2012-10-12 16:09

    Well done Thuli!

      clive.kihn - 2012-10-13 12:39

      For doing her job, Morama, unlike most senior civil servants in the current administration.

      blue.spheric - 2012-10-13 15:00


      desertratbkf - 2012-10-13 21:33

      Ditto! I was asleep one night, funny that, and happened to be awakened by an SABC program called "People of The South". And Ms. Madonsela, WHAT an eloquent, beautiful, soft spoken, HONEST, person you are! I COMMEND you, and your effort, in your honesty in finding the truth, that is crippling this wonderful, yet hopeful rainbow nation! Dont let the powers that be, manipulate you, in the ways they have in many a year past!

  • - 2012-10-12 16:10

    there is no word for truth in pedi :P

  • JannieDeVos - 2012-10-12 16:12

    Thuli for president! Soft spoken woman, but boy, she's no pushover!

  • kala.bafazi - 2012-10-12 16:13

    So Ju Ju tells lies. Who would have thought?

  • roger.hess.14 - 2012-10-12 16:14

    She's my goddess; you can call me a heretic all day long, but I think I will start building a shrine for her. I also want to build a toilet range using JM's head as a profile, the beret would actually make a interesting flip up loo seat. Anyone want to volunteer to do the fluid engineering on this? It could be a good business opportunity and maybe expand into a line of urinals using the same profile!

      Divvy - 2012-10-12 16:27

      Just make sure you get the tender to supply these. A lucrative tender like this could land up at OnPoint Engineering. 20 million shacks each fitted with a designer toilet like this has the potential to make you very rich. 20 million x R100 = R2 Billion. We should stop worrying about nationalisation of mines and focus on toilets.

      jimboyia - 2012-10-13 05:49

      Toilet range? Great idea! By flipping his lid & crapping in his head you may only improve matters.

  • henk.vanrensburg.31 - 2012-10-12 16:15

    Like a real cadre, if they open their mouths they are lying to their subjects!

      ingi.raikes - 2012-10-12 16:40

      Well l never! Mr Malema lie??? No, it can't be true! That fine upstanding member of society, an example to all youth? You could have fooled me like he fools all his stupid followers every time he opens his mouth! What's going to happen now? So, he's found lying but like what happened when he was banned - nothing, what is the point? The ruling party hasn't the guts to do anything dynamic to silence him! That's the bottom line........until the next time when he's shooting his mouth off again.

      sandy.langenstrass - 2012-10-13 09:27

      Unfortunately, as funny as some of the sarcastic comments are....the Malema supporters, being STUPIDO'S...might actually not recognize that as joking...and believe you...

  • jim.dickson2 - 2012-10-12 16:16

    Malema lying? No, he would not, you have got it wrong! Counter revolutionary! The Economic Freedom Fighters will nationalise your department! Oops, it already is a state organ. Once again Mr. Malema is caught with his hands in the cookie jar........

  • fanie.viljoen.73 - 2012-10-12 16:19

    The truth will prevail, hope other politicians take note! Leaders will change and you are only safe as long you are in power, which is always temporary, ask Malema.

  • johan.jacobs.33821 - 2012-10-12 16:21

    Thuli Madonsela,what an example for all South Africans.

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-10-12 16:23

    One person who is very honest

      ChristelleJames - 2012-10-12 16:30

      I believe you are talking about Thuli - and if so, dudes, why the thumbs down?

  • kella.magakwe - 2012-10-12 16:24

    If u got ballz matonsela probe zuma also

  • Ally Rhandzeka - 2012-10-12 16:27

    even if i dnt knw much abt malema is goin down..and sm of th cmbinate minstrs and busnes ppl are goin wth mathale included.

  • njabs.chonco - 2012-10-12 16:28

    When I c the face of that boy I c nationalize thief who is on way down n making sure he takes ANC with.\viva chief of lies n froud viva,amandla powermorgery amandla\

  • mike.down.5492 - 2012-10-12 16:34

    Of course whether JM received notice or not will be contained in correspondence between Tuli and his attorneys. Never make statements that will later bite you in the butt when you are finally giving evidence under cross-exam, surely his lawyers would have advised of such it's their obligation. Rather shut up than lie publicly because boom goes your credibility.

      Divvy - 2012-10-12 16:42

      He also said on Carte Blanche he has never seen a Million in his bank account.

  • mart.botha - 2012-10-12 16:35

    Take him to the 'cleaners' Ma'am. And open a school and give us more like you who know right from wrong, who have the courage to think for themselves, who do not balk at telling truths for fear of upsetting supposedly influential people. I would not trust Malema's answer even if it was just the time of day I had asked for.

  • terrylee.heuer - 2012-10-12 16:36

    I love it Malema clearly forgets what he says most of the time and he contradicts himself so much!!! All his assets should be frozen with immediate effect!!

  • sam.ntshangase - 2012-10-12 16:38

    Dictators are always right,he did the same stuff with ANC NDC

  • langakumalo - 2012-10-12 16:39

    Hands off MAlema!!

      ChristelleJames - 2012-10-12 16:42

      yes you are right - but you left something out" Hands off - other people's money - Malema.

      george.slade.161 - 2012-10-12 17:05

      I think he meant "hancuff" Malema, but cant spell.

      KennySven - 2012-10-12 18:20


      gretchen.oswald.3 - 2012-10-12 20:48

      My hands are off him! Wouldnt touch the filthy thing, even if you paid me!

      magnus.j.vanvuuren - 2012-10-13 08:21

      WHY? do you think he is going to make you rich

      clive.kihn - 2012-10-13 12:44

      Why, langakumalo, he is not above the law?

  • Annelize Grobler - 2012-10-12 16:42

    Thuli for president !!! not nice going up against someone who knows her stuff ... hey Ju-Ju ???

  • larry.piggott1 - 2012-10-12 16:44

    Now theres a surprising headline? We would never have thought it of him?

  • vzkruger - 2012-10-12 16:45

    Amazing that MP's question PP modus on earth is there still support for Fat Boy in parliament...are some of them also now worried now...???

  • anele.mveku - 2012-10-12 16:46

    Gotta say Malema has grown into me.. I just love him but if the charge against him is justifiable nd fair let him be punished for it, we need less criminals in our government.

      gretchen.oswald.3 - 2012-10-12 20:52

      Yeah! There are very good docters around to help you get rid of the growth. Good luck and blessing to a good recoverey with the growth.

      christelle.james.7 - 2012-10-13 04:57

      Tumours have a habit of growing anele:-(

      vincent.auret - 2012-10-26 11:59

      Remove that growth at once!

  • hudayfah.newman - 2012-10-12 16:46

    Ah it's so difficult to choose between the two. Who should we believe? Should we believe Julius \make like I'm fighting for the poor only to fill my own pockets\ Malema or Thuli \everybody loves her\ Madonsela? You must be one dark and lonely soul if you still feel you should support this man.

  • joangemmell.budricks - 2012-10-12 16:47

    Thuli for President , she does more work than the entire Palement ,Shame poor Julius he is chewing on his words ,however Julius is not alone ,they should investigate all the Fat Cats who have been fingered , crime will not stop untill they all go to Jail . I wonder if Treasury will give Thuli more funds ? she needs much more at least she can show results for what she has achievied .

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-12 17:46

      Reede, where are u? I am sure your red pen is needed here.

  • david.diale.75 - 2012-10-12 16:50

    what about corraption champion?we need those results Thuli.

      jay.reede - 2012-10-12 16:54

      What is 'corraption' ? Are you talking about rape or corruption ?

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-12 17:43

      Reede, stop this nonsense of yours, you know very well the intention was corruption, try writing masimbakho nja ndini and see if you will be any wiser. Masimbakho.

      gladstone.dyonase - 2012-10-12 17:48

      It's we don't know which one to choose, because he is the king in both of them be it Rape or Corruption. To save your dialing thumb CorRAPtion.

  • lawrence.sambani.3 - 2012-10-12 16:50

    The man is a liar,we know about this.Now is the time to expose this liar.

  • jay.reede - 2012-10-12 16:50

    Malema ... you hanged yourself ! ... Pity that there is at least one person in this country who is doing her job properly and is not corrupt like YOU !

  • kevin.moxham.3 - 2012-10-12 16:52

    Yes the new SA generation - no ethic's, no morals, no education, no sacrafice just want and want and entitled to everthing - "watch out if i dont get it because we will kill you and burn your property' - quite sick....!!!

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-12 17:36

      You dumnut are locked in the past, who talked about wanting anything here? I feel sory for you, you seriously need proffesional counselling.

  • jacob.molife - 2012-10-12 16:53

    This border-jumper cant believe his luck. A millinaire?

  • archie.mooki - 2012-10-12 16:56

    bang.... watch out dude that lady knows her work

  • Chikane - 2012-10-12 17:07

    Boring! All politicians lie! Even Zuma lies to all his wifes dad he has passed standard 2!

      ndlovuvincent - 2012-10-12 18:06

      Chikane,I don't have to be told that u hate Zuma with every single beat of heart,it is your choice.The point is that what u have said about him does not make sense and it is out of context.Plse write something with sense and add value to this site.Zuma deserves to have his date in court over the dropped charges but can we try not to mix things up as I believe your point is good but is out of context at the moment.Why do u single Zuma out of so many politicians who are also corrupt.Think before u write.We are not interested in seeing your hatred for Zuma but u must contribute in constructing and developing positive mindset of this site users.Amen

  • Bafana Joseph - 2012-10-12 17:07

    wat abt your Boss Jacob Zuma...misusing our tax money

  • michael.freeman.16752 - 2012-10-12 17:09

    Like the rest, this man can't tell the truth.In the time of war he would be shoot

  • Stewart Croucamp - 2012-10-12 17:09

    Now here is a black woman I have great respect for.

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-12 17:29

      The only reason you respect her much is becouse she is DA, and is after anc leaders, wait until she probes corrupt whites, that respect will diminish.

      gladstone.dyonase - 2012-10-12 17:38

      Guys, Guys, our country is in chaos by these corrupt nobodies....what you think about is black, white or DA and ANC. Lets not loose our minds like them, good work Ma'm Thuli.

      clive.kihn - 2012-10-13 12:52

      Kethu, kethu, kethu, she is certainly NOT DA. Just because she exposes waste and corruption in government does not make her DA. Thuli attended ANC centenary celebrations: does that make her ANC? No, she's a rare example of a civil servant who takes her job seriously. Grow up, pal.

  • charl.cornelissen - 2012-10-12 17:11

    The dumb idiot! Hope he gets to spend real time in a communal cell.

      bongane.zwane.948 - 2012-10-12 18:11

      Charl you can say that again my brother the dumb idiot from polokwane what a shame.

  • johanes.ntoagae - 2012-10-12 17:16

    no body wish 2b in malema's shoes,,i belive all tis,is political influence\dont intiminate by tis nonsense\phambile ka economic fredom phambile,mr malema

      clive.kihn - 2012-10-13 14:42

      Johannes, you have a point about political influence - after all, this case seems to have been investigated and pronounced upon fairly rapidly. Nevertheless, I consider Thuli to be honest in her work, and there seems to no doubt the Julius is a pathological liar and rabble rouser, and little doubt that he has benefited from dodgy tenderpreneurship. In which case he must face the law.

  • kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-10-12 17:17

    Thuli for President! Now that Malema is done for, can we please move on to Zuma? And once he is done, check out Mbeki also.

      khethu.ndlovu.3 - 2012-10-12 17:24

      All the african leaders? What about de klerk and botha? Oh i forgot whites will never be wrong!!

      kobus.hattingh.5 - 2012-10-12 17:29

      Khethu, you are right! I would very much like it if she could add de Klerk, Pik Botha and some others to the list also. But let's start from the present and work our way back as the present ones are doing the most harm ;)

      bongani.nsele.58 - 2012-10-12 18:19

      and bring back the good whites to rule this african country...and the funny thing is kobus and his gang believe all this mumbojumbo.....

      Paul - 2012-10-14 08:15

      @kobus,then check de klerk,and once she is done check pik botha n once she is done check afri forum n lastly check all famers who got the land unlawfuly,come on man don't expose urself of who u really are.

  • Gert van Coller - 2012-10-12 17:18

    and the truth shall... send you to jail!

  • jannie.kotze.7 - 2012-10-12 17:18

    "found guilty in absentia". Malenema used this phrase to sound educated. Unfortunately he don't unederstand the meaning of it!

      linda.schalk1 - 2012-10-12 17:36

      @ least u can spell the word, something that can't be said about your poor spelling

  • ignatius.makhura - 2012-10-12 17:22

    Who did wood work at school and pass matric with E's?

  • keith.ngobeni - 2012-10-12 17:25

    Thulisile madonsela could you marry me please? The chickens are coming home to roost. Julius malema should by now know that the moment he decided to take a bath in the sewege pond he was inviting a New company in the form of flies. A very big up to the ever reliable and trusted public protector aka thuli madonsela, imagine if she was a president of our country and Helen zille deputy president,followed by DR ramphele as our public protector and Trevor Manuel being minister of higher and basic education.

      sello.kobe - 2012-10-12 18:00

      And Jz

      sexyfancyface - 2012-10-13 09:53

      Wow Keith we would have the best

      keithpatkell - 2012-10-13 16:43

      @ Keith Ngobeni....I suppose in this blighted, nearly ruined country of ours we ARE still allowed to dream...aren't we? My GOD...what a magnificent dream it is that you envision....

  • thabani.dube.988 - 2012-10-12 17:26

    Marry me Thulisile! But then wait a moment, I want to discreetly cover my tracks first! Wow!

  • Tim Elliott - 2012-10-12 17:29

    Malema is the genius sprouting forth about Economic Freedom which is simply grab what you can without thinking through to the end result.In your case bud I hope they have a cell big enough for you!!That's where u are heading.

  • sthembiso.jali.50 - 2012-10-12 17:39

    case closed, malema must face the music.

  • david.lerato3 - 2012-10-12 17:47

    Julius must b given chance and oppurtunity to tell his side of story.

      idille.borchers - 2012-10-12 17:52

      No, he will just lie again and again.

      carla.vittori3 - 2012-10-12 18:52

      He was given an opportunity and declined the invitation - makes you wonder what else he wants to hide.

  • steveroodt - 2012-10-12 17:50

    Do we finally have a future president in this woman.

  • themba.mabona.33 - 2012-10-12 17:52

    u bunch of fools, ar singing prays over julius.One question. What happened about JZ's corruption case after he won in polokwane. The same will happen to this case after mangaung

      carla.vittori3 - 2012-10-12 18:53

      Maybe... but at least wen JZ is out we might see him being brought to book... One can only hope

  • tnmunyai - 2012-10-12 17:53

    Let his lawyers empty his pocket first, Sars will push him to joe slovo squater camp to stay by attaching his properties after, then madonzela wil put him in jail later.