Malema responsible for murders - AfriForum

2010-12-03 22:49

Bloemfontein - The murder of a 3-year-old girl and her parents on a Free State farm led to severe criticism on Friday, with the AfriForum grouping calling for the ANC and its youth league leader Julius Malema to take responsibility.

AfriForum spokesperson Kallie Kriel said: "As long as the ANC continues with its appeal case in the South Gauteng High Court to have the use of the slogan 'shoot the Boer' legalised, the ANC and Julius Malema have to accept responsibility for the murders."

He said people were literally being killed on farms and efforts by the ANC to justify "shoot the boer" were absurd.

Lindley farmer Attie Potgieter, his wife Wilna and 3-year-old daughter Willemien were found stabbed and shot at the farm Tweefontein near Lindley on Thursday.

The police have taken in six men for questioning.

Kriel said the murder of the Potgieters made people all the more bitter because the killings took place in the same week during which the ANC had been trying to convince the court that the "shoot the Boer" slogan in ANC songs was not meant literally.

Kriel said in the light of the continuing bloodshed on farms the ANC and Malema had to do the responsible thing by putting an end "once and for all" to the use of slogans that propagate violence. They had to condemn the murder of farmers and all other victims.

AfriForum also plans protests at courts where murder suspects appear.

Law enforcers

Freedom Front Plus spokesperson on police Pieter Groenewald said the cruel murder of the farming couple and their daughter was proof that the death penalty should be re-introduced.

"It is clear that ordinary jail sentences do not deter murderers because... the murderers left the arrogant message: We are coming back."

Groenewald said the worrying aspect was that farm murders were increasingly being perpetrated by murderers who acted in a group.

He said farmers comprised the group in which the most murders took place - on average 313 in every 100 000 individuals. This was followed by the murder of law enforcers where the figure was 153 in every 100 000.

"The chances that a victim in a farm attack could die are three times higher than in transit heists."

TAU SA said it was disgusted by the "barbaric murder" of the Potgieter family.

TAU SA president Ben Marais commended the police on questioning six people.

Marais also expressed his organisation's sympathy with the family of a North West province couple who was attacked. A woman was killed and her husband admitted to hospital in a critical condition following the attack.

The couple, in their sixties, was assaulted on their farm during another "senseless attack", said Marais.

"If this was going to be the tendency in the approach to the December holidays, we are facing a traumatic Christmas."

  • Melindie - 2010-12-03 23:13

    I agree. Malema is responsible. He's got blood on his hands.

      Lestor - 2010-12-04 20:17

      Out, damned spot! out, I say!

      kolobe - 2010-12-06 08:46

      problem with afriforum is it is an afrikaner cultural committee and cannot be taken seriously.malema sings "kill the boer" less than an average african

      JGU - 2010-12-06 10:56

      The average African doesn't go on TV and sing that song to the public Kolobe, or have an influencial effect of the youth or masses. It's a total joke that our politicians only shoulder a responsibility to their "own people" because they are the majority and who are voting to keep them in and can argue the importance of a very small part of their "culture" ahead of the importance of people outside their "race/cultural group's" lives and families. We need so have the death penalty reinstated and law enforcement officers paid higher wages to ensure they carry out law enforcement with more riguour. How much more blood can these politician handle being spilt on their consciences?

      Hardtail - 2010-12-06 11:09

      So kolobe....because afriforum represents afrikaners, it cannot be taken seriously??? therefor the murders, are not serious? therefor the mutilation and attacks on white farmers are not serious? interesting point of view...i wonder then, why is the ANCYL and its president then taken seriously? I mean, the anc is a largely XHOSA organisation? or are you just being a political apologeticist here? trying to play a race/cultural card? hmmm? i wonder....about people like you and what your agendas really are....

      Zolani - 2010-12-06 13:52

      @Kolobe, dont even try and deffend this, walking a 3 year old outside and shooting it in the back of the head, is disgusting, Malema etc should stop the rubish , this is real life not a game.

      Bla Bla - 2010-12-06 14:18

      @RickRoss if she is Afrikaans, she can't say her opinion.Yes Malema got blood on his hand. Where do a white politician sang kill the black? Where?

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 16:27

      There's a dude in my office whose ring tone is Die Stem! That makes me want to hurt him more the Juliaas singing his song!

      James1 - 2010-12-09 12:07

      Nuclear, you are upset with a guy who has "die stem" as his ringtone. I know blacks that have Umshini whami as their ringtone. I know people like Malema that sings about killing farmers. I know people like Kolobe that say the average balck sings more about killing farmers than Malema does. Get a life. Farmers are 3 times more likely to be killed than cops on duty and a lot more times likely to be killed than a black in the township. But you say there is no problem?

      Mordred - 2011-01-20 00:27

      Kolobe, please go out and buy yourself a backbone and stop being one of Emakalema's stooges.

      Mordred - 2011-01-20 00:31

      Zolani, thank you for your comments. I hope and pray that Kolobe gains some insight as to how evil the deed was.

  • JH - 2010-12-03 23:14

    Still no condemnation from the government! If two black families had been attacked and killed by whites, the baying from the government would have been loud and long, with screams of racism and the usual clap trap that gets trotted out by these politicians.

      Mordred - 2011-01-20 00:33

      JH, if this had happened to a black family, Zuma would have been the first to visit to give his condolences.

  • Daniel - 2010-12-03 23:16

    Run to Christ not to courts. Its not Malema or the ANC, its Satan. The same Demons that inspired Hitler and his Mentor Charles Darwin. Hitler didnt sing the kill the boer song, but he killed 6 million Jews. So its not a song, its Demons. Chirst is the only place where our solution lies. Everything else is bound to fail.

      Stollie - 2010-12-03 23:36

      Hahahaha are you serious? This is a brand new version of history... Charles Darwin was Hitler's mentor? Tell me, what exactly is it that you smoke at night when you lie in bed making this sh*t up?

      Pharcide - 2010-12-03 23:47

      Please, I'm a Christian too and the fact that there is a devil does not take the responsibility away from idiots like Malema to watch their words. God said rule, and all authority comes from Him, the courts too. If you want to talk Bible then first get to know it.

      Saambou - 2010-12-04 00:15

      Daniel you are a moron. I suppose Malema don't say bad things either it is the devil that makes him do it. WTF dude wake up and see that uneducated black people are doing as they are told by mindless idiots like Malema. Then we have good ol chief Mantashe that can;t string a coherant sentance together, Afriforum is doing their best and you say it is the devil.

      Franswa - 2010-12-04 00:44

      Pharcide...well said !!!!!!!

      phillip.schoeman - 2010-12-04 03:58

      You are quite right Daniel. Humans will never be able to stop things like these as the Bible clearly show that the devil is walking about like an 'hungry lion, seeking to devour someone'. According to Bible prophecy we are living in the last days and things will just get worse, not only in SA but everywhere else, so no matter what individuals try to do to stop it they will not be able to fight against the devil. Only God gives us hope for a better world ahead, and the strenght to endure atrocities like these.

      mollie.kruger - 2010-12-04 05:39

      The devil is in your head dude!

      Dan - 2010-12-04 05:58

      Some members of the ANC, especially that thug Malema is Satan. Guess you can't figure that one out. Satan is not a little man with horns runny around with a fork and jumping over flames. As you rightly pointed out, Hitler didn't kill as a result of a song, but because he was an evil thug. The like of Malema, die Wit Wolf, McBride, etc. are all evil thugs. The gallows should be their only salvation.

      Dan - 2010-12-04 06:00

      I would just love to hear the reaction of the ANC if the AWB or some other sick white grouping starts singing "Kill a Black Man Today, shoot a Black Man". Julius will be the first one to shit in his pants.

      Warrior - 2010-12-04 06:42


      colafantacervezabeer - 2010-12-04 07:22

      I see you read the bilbe and took the following verse a bit too literately; "Truly I say to you, Unless You turn around and become as young children, you will by no means enter into the kingdom of the heavens." - Matthew 18:3 That does not mean you must have the logic of a 4 year old

      Pod - 2010-12-04 08:00

      So is Charles Darwin Satan!

      Renier - 2010-12-04 08:31

      Well said, I aree 100% with Daniel. True followers of Christ will understand that the fight in not in the flesh but in the spirit.

      JackMeoff - 2010-12-04 10:11

      Hey Daniel ! ...ANC and Malema are the demons ! Its these same demons that are inspiring the murders. Stop trying to cover for them. Funnuy how you mention a white man (Hitler) but no mention of Mugabe (killing 3 million Matebele's) and then there was Idi, and Charles Taylor...must we go on ?

      Christine - 2010-12-04 11:51

      Christine. Sorry Daniel, while I agree that Satan is on the prowl and influencing people to do bad things, we were all given free will to chose between right and wrong. Blaming Satan and his demons for everything is a cop out and a refusal to accept responsibility for choosing evil.

      larasan - 2010-12-04 13:14

      Daniel you are right; demons are to be blamed. The point is: who are these demons? There are forces, very earthly, that are working to destroy SA (and the whole world). Peaceful leaving is not good for them, because is not good for their business. What we need to do is to find and expose these "demons" who are inciting mindless people (like malema) to kill and raise racial mayhem amongst southafricans.

      Andrew Stokes - 2010-12-04 15:33

      @phillip.schoeman - Seriosuly mate, how come these "deamons" are far less in other countries where the rule of law is kept? You've been brainwashed your whole life to beleive things like this so you have an easy way to explain why things happen. shame.

      henry - 2010-12-04 21:27

      I Agree

      henry - 2010-12-04 21:29

      Daniel I agree.Our fight is not agaist black and white it is against the fallen demons who control these murderers

      ebdg3000 - 2010-12-05 17:22

      Leon, you are one seriously f#$%@ed up dude! Your thinking is no better than a farm murderer.

      SSDD - 2010-12-06 07:16

      @Daniel It's because of people like you who can't think rationally, that this planet and Country of ours is so fu@cked. Please keep your delusional ideas for yourself.

      HardHitter - 2010-12-06 07:40

      Daniel, don't blame the poor devil when hes not around! I don't even think that Satan himself would even go near Malema!

      ligte - 2010-12-06 10:14

      Chirst is the only "place" where our solution lies. plz explain to me where exactly this PLACE is. And where on the voting ballot to i tick next to Christ.

      mccarthyga - 2010-12-06 12:01

      Yes, Hitler had "mein kampf" To instill hate for the Jewish nation into the natzi party. The song feeds the "Demons"

      Francois B - 2010-12-06 15:42

      Maybe the Tokelosh makes them do these things... Urgh.. Cop out.. How you guys manage to bring religion and the devil into everything baffles me...

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 16:29

      Daniel, you are a prime example of SA's failed education system, pre & post 94! But, why not? I say it's the aliens' influence.

      DoubleDM - 2010-12-13 17:00

      I say u r all turds !! Its called an Eye for an Eye !! Revenge is a dish best served called (n' it is surely a b*tch)

      richard - 2011-01-20 14:37

      Do you even know who Charles Darwin was ha ha ha?

  • Arthur Phili - 2010-12-03 23:22 Countries at Risk of Genocide, Politicide, or Mass Atrocities in 2010: Country:South Africa Threat Level:5-Polarization Victims:Boers/refugees Killers:Black racists We are progressing towards the next step in genocide. 6. PREPARATION: Victims are identified and separated out because of their ethnic or religious identity. Death lists are drawn up. Members of victim groups are forced to wear identifying symbols. Their property is expropriated. They are often segregated into ghettoes, deported into concentration camps, or confined to a famine-struck region and starved. We are already easily identifiable. "Kill the Boer" is back in court (remember the radio broadcasts in Rwanda). Our property is being expropriated. We are excluded from freely participating in the economy. We are hiding in gated communities, security complexes or squatter camps. Mandela is a founding member of Umkhonto we Sizwe - Bombings: The Church Street bombing killed 19 and wounded more than 200. - Landmine campaign: In submissions to the TRC, the ANC described the strategy and how they abandoned it due to the high rate of civilian casualties—especially amongst black labourers. The ANC estimated 30 landmine explosions resulting in 23 deaths, while the government submitted a figure of 57 explosions resulting in 25 deaths. - Torture and executions: The TRC found that torture was "routine" — even though it was not official policy— and executions "without due process" at ANC detention camps particularly in the period of 1979—1989. - Deaths related to political violence: Between 1948 - 1989: 7 000 and between 1990 - 1994: 14 000 (of which 92% as a result of 'black-on-black' violence). In February 1985 President P.W. Botha offered Mandela his freedom on condition that he 'unconditionally rejected violence as a political weapon'. Mandela refused and remained in prison.. now he is a respected public figure and role model. No wonder Malema sings "Kill the Boer" while other people makes this call to action a reality for him, everyone wants to be a murderous terrorist like Mandela. There were 29, 106 violent deaths last year, in the last 16 years 3,763 farmers have been killed, how many more people will die?

      Saambou - 2010-12-04 00:17

      Look I am all for use working together, but must you write another article. This is for comments, I don;t know about you other guys but I just don't read comments that are this long.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 05:36

      It should take about 30 seconds to read my post which provides context to the article. Afriforum wastes money in local courts, pushing back against the ANC only strengthens their stance. Afriforum has the potential to hold the country hostage by creating artificial food shortages (which will become a reality once there are no more productive farmers left). Afriforum can petition foreign governments to grant South Africans of European decent the right of return. Do you really want to fight (for the lack of a better word) for South Africa? Is this a fight that can won in court or in any other way? We have reached a point of no return, no African country has shown the potential to be anything but a failed state. Men do not let their families live on the front-lines. Men ensure the safety of their family. Men are prepared to leave everything behind like the Trek Boere and to settle in a new country. Due to constraints not everyone is fortunate enough to leave, which is a responsibility Afriforum should assume. Open doors for those people. Those who do not agree, can support Afriforum. If South Africa ever becomes a livable country again it would be through an act of God. I'll support an organization which helps people to flee as immigrants rather than refugees in the future. I'd sooner vote for the ANC (which is destroying the country, to take my revenge than join court battles). The Rule of Law concept, doesn't apply in South Africa.

      Dan - 2010-12-04 06:11

      Donner Arthur. You can read fast. Faster then the ANC can break down every sphere of our society.

      Des - 2010-12-04 07:38

      Saambou that was an idiotic comment. What Arthur says goes directly to the heart of the matter - we are being taken out family by family - it is Genocide man!!!!!! WTF...wake up and smell the blood of the White man being spilled every day.

      Flash555 - 2010-12-04 07:40

      Arthur,you a 100% right.You tell me where the savages in the township,got access to R1500-00 to pay the farmworkers for info??Someone,must be behind all this!!!They identified and specifically targeted this farm,that I bet!!Makes you think!!

      Vedder - 2010-12-04 09:01

      You tell me Authur Phili...what the hell do you want??You write these wonderful loooong comments, but what do you want South Africans to do///

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 09:51

      @Vedder See my reply to my 1st post. An act of God is the only way. I can not think of a feasible way to accomplish positive change. I care about a number of people in South Africa, when the time comes I want their escape to be easier than mine. Therefore I campaign the right of return and refugee status for specific South Africans, I view other measures as a waste of resources and merely a delay of the inevitable.

      GatvolofANC - 2010-12-05 07:53

      I pray to God that Juliass walks into a hail of bullets or falls onto a needle laced with Anthrax and dies a slow and painful death.My guess is this is will be realized soon.Viva Hani, Viva Mokaba may Juliass follow in their spoor. The resistance

      Shadoz - 2010-12-06 12:59

      I will not let them do this to me i issue a strike first...

      James1 - 2010-12-06 13:40

      Arthur you have a point there. I'll suggest it to Afriforum. In fact each of us can. They have a facebook page as well as web page. If my wife and I can escape the senseless executions and violence then I am all for it.

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 16:36

      Stop lying, we are at stage 5. I've already posted the link where the Head of Genocide Watch categorically stated that he's never said nor does he believe the killing of the Boers &/or foreigners equate to genocide in SA. Stage 5 is polarisation & before you bleat on about how we are on the brink - France & Italy are polarised against the Roma, Germany & France are becoming more polarised against Islam, America is polarised against the Latinos. i.e. not specific to SA but it suits your agenda to claim genocide & make like Whites are suffering more than other races.

      annie.kalahari - 2010-12-13 11:07

      Well done Arthur Pili. Even the world experts on Genocide can see that the Boers/Afrikaners are facing a genocide. And when the ruling party of South Africa then insists on reinstating their genocidal hatespeech chant SHOOT THE BOER, it merely confirms the existing facts.

      Mordred - 2011-01-20 00:36

      Arthur, I agree with Saambou. All we want are comments and not longwinded articles that you have given us. Quite frankly, I stopped reading about midway as I got bored.

      Mordred - 2011-01-20 00:42

      GatvolofANC, I am a firm believer that if you speak violence, do violence and condone violence, then your life will end in violence. As for Emakalema being such a violent person, do I have to say more. Be patient.

  • Rev. H-Cubed - 2010-12-03 23:25

    Our government has not had the basic decency to express even a shred of compassion for the victims, nor any censure of the barbaric actions of the perpetrators. When next one of these puffed-up demagogues bemoans a "lack of respect", let them reflect on their conduct now. There may be saints among us who can forgive this atrocity, but I am not able to summon that resolve. My prayers are with those who knew and loved the victims, may they find a degree of solace to ease their pain.

      Leeutjie - 2010-12-04 09:19

      Rev. I don't want them to show compassion because it will be false. They don't care, in fact they encourage this. Forget about this goverment for help, we will have to look after ourselfes and pleeeezzee do not expect any compassion or empathy for this families from this goverment.

      Rev. H-Cubed - 2010-12-04 12:06

      We're on the same page Leeutjie. It's alarming that they have even stopped pretending to care.

      Mundu - 2010-12-04 16:26

      What happened to the spirit of the Boers? They rose up against British tyranny, but now they have no guts left. Rise up Boers and defend yourselves, stop being so spineless.

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 16:39

      Please show me the proof that there's this compassion when people of other races are victims of crime. Unless, it suits their purposes the lives lost of all the races are pretty much equal. Welcome to the new SA, all the lives lost are worth the same.

  • dictator - 2010-12-03 23:40

    Please join need to do something..

      Saambou - 2010-12-04 00:18

      No dude, join Afriforum. I did. You give them R30 a month and they use it to actually fight a good clean fight for you in court. No bs just plain taking on the bad elements by providing funding to people who know how to use it. I say again, if you want to do something Join AFRIFORUM

      Willie - 2010-12-04 05:12

      I agree that we need to do something; and in my view Saambou gave the answer. We, must join Afriforum because they counter this useless, don't know how, riding the gravy train, hidden agenda, ANC government. Look what Afriforum achieved within 2 weeks in a small Free State town to get the clueless ANC ruled and staffed municipality to restore water in the townships and town

      Willie - 2010-12-04 05:14

      Where and how do we join Afriforum? Can somebody please give us the details

      lean - 2010-12-04 11:55

      Can we pay to Afriforum Privet Army, I'm going to be the First one to pay!!! But I want a Lots of Action on the ground not in the Pathetic Cort...

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 16:42

      Maybe a better idea would be to invest in security through alarm systems & a 24hr patrol for a few farms in the same vicinity & split the costs between the farms. Just like Blacks who expect everything for free are a no no, so to are farmers who expect security for free.

  • JJ - 2010-12-03 23:48

    Genocide: the deliberate and systematic destruction, in whole or in part, of an ethnic, racial, religious, or national group.... People hear 'farm murder' but they do not know the details. The public needs the truth. Show them the pictures. Don't give them statistics. The truth, the real truth and details of these attacks needs to be exposed!! And those supporting and propagating it, charged with crimes against humanity in international courts because in South Africa, justice is not blind. It sees everything in black or white.

      Saambou - 2010-12-04 00:21

      There are groups in SA that are focussed on only one thing. That is clear, they won't succeed, people will wake up soon to what is happening and then we may see a fairer fight.

  • g_stevenson - 2010-12-04 00:16

    You will all be killed one by one, because you do not stand together and fight. Now you are all like Piet Retief being disarmed and lead to your death. Remember how so few stood against so many, on the 16th December 1838. Unity is your only chance.

      JJ - 2010-12-04 10:28

      Agree 100%. Go through the ridiculous 'process' and keep your firearms the legal way - to protect your family in your own home. We are being disarmed and left defenseless in our own homes by a very cunning and clever approach to get law abiding citizens to hand over their only defense in the middle of the night... Please open your eyes. Be in a position to defend yourself and the ones you love.

  • Justus - 2010-12-04 00:17

    I agree 100%. We have a responsibility to be involved in public debat. We can not ignore these evils and hope it does not happen to us. We are in this together. We have to stand together against this genocide.

  • Justus - 2010-12-04 00:24

    I agree 100%. This is time to be invovled in public debat. We have to stand up against this evil. This genocide should not continue. We can not hope that this will not happen to us. Holding onto our comforts will just let us look like we will role over and the ANCYL can do as they like and say what they want against us because we seem weak. The ANCYL get away with murder what they say and what they do against other races.

      Shadoz - 2010-12-06 13:12

      we all sit here talking away while thousands of our people are murdered. When are we as a people gonna stand up for ourselves? When u were a kid and the bully kept on picking on u. Did it help talking? did it help running to authority? NO but when u stood up to him he thought twice about bulling you again. What is so different about these spinless murderers that creep in at night and shoot people in there backs. Lets do something screw this talking rubbish it is not working..

  • Saambou - 2010-12-04 00:25

    I just want to say again, thank you Afriforum. I wish everyone that complains on these forums would join Afriforum. You don;t do anything, just be a member and give R30 per month and that goes towards them paying their laywers to sue the ANC gov. This is a much better way than being a viking and going to live in the mountains. Eendragt maakt magt!

      Banned - 2010-12-04 01:52

      I don't know how much Afriforum is paying you, but its way too much. What law would you like to change, the ones that say you shouldn't murder, steal, rape? They already exist, they just not implemented, SAPS has a failure rate of 89%. Sue the ANC will achieve what?, even if you win, the money comes from state coffers, ie us taxpayers, not the ANC, which is a political party! So while you might think that R30 gets you piece of mind while you sit on your ass playing call of duty, instead join your local neighborhood watch, LCP or reservists and make that change!

      James1 - 2010-12-06 13:42

      At least Afriforum are doing something. They are using our money to fight the Kill the farmer song in court. That is something isn't it? You win the war by winning a series of small battles. (most of the time)

  • Franswa - 2010-12-04 00:42

    what happens if the slogan is changed "kill the #a&er" then all hell will brake loose

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 16:46

      Well if your freedom were taken away & you could prove this was a struggle song, then you'd have an equal analogy. As it stands I don't think you'd make it to court if you sang those words! Good luck though!

  • John Wilderness - 2010-12-04 00:46

    The only way when the crime problem will be solved is when all South Africans stand together and challenge the government to provide safety and security to all. While you going to look at the problem only from a white victim black perpetrator perspective you are going to get know where but suffer more. The countries problems started when things was done from a group race perspective and it can only be solved if all South Africans stand together. Until all you South Africans ,black and white, stand together then expect to suffer.

      Jan - 2010-12-04 01:17

      its been more than 500 years and we are still not there. You have high hopes..

      nuclear - 2010-12-06 16:49

      Well said. I hate the crime levels and would stand up if were fighting to end crime for all. But, I don't have any more sympathy for White victims over Black victims! Instead of paying Afriforum,appealing to all S Africans to unite under one banner of no crime would be a much better investment. But, I'm a realist, why would we do that when we can claim genocide?

  • johnstonel32 - 2010-12-04 01:01

    Malema IS responsible for this. Mr Zuma, find your backbone and take this bastard down!! May God help all white South Africans if this sadistic bastard ever comes into power - genocide will be his top priority!! and one wonders why white SA's are leaving!!????

  • JJ - 2010-12-04 01:14

    I not a legal expert, but arent there grounds to get somebody like Afriforum to sue Malema and kie in a civil case for the part he played as instigator in these murders? It will not get him into jail (as this will be impossible to achieve because he is a ANC wannebee comrade), but if its possible, we may be able to make him pay for his part, in hard cash. Idealy he must go to prison for a long time, but at least a civil case will be a start........he must start paying in one form or another for what he is doing!!!

      Banned - 2010-12-04 01:45

      Its called incitement to violence. Ironically its the same laws the old government used convict some ANC members

      Sunette Bridges - 2010-12-04 08:35

      JJ, Afriforum did sue Malema. The papers were served on him in April or May this year. The court case is next year.

      Leeutjie - 2010-12-04 09:30

      JJ I share your sentiments but although malema stands in front, there are millions of blacks who hates whites. There will just be another malema when they lock this one up. We need a goverment with proper values that we all can look up to and respect.A goverment that can unite and not devide the people. At this stage it's a real gemors and will not change untill we get a geverment that everybody respects.

      philemon.daba - 2010-12-04 10:42

      Leeutjie, we don't need a new government. Black Africa has proved it is incapable of allowing other races to live alongside it. No Black government will make any difference. What we need is our own government. We need our own country. We need places like Orania and more and eventually we will have our own country - the only place in Africa with little to no crime, with world-class Universities, infrastructure and economy. And it is attainable. Its that, or dying at the hand of savage black racists who kill only cause you are a different colour!

      Spyker May - 2010-12-04 14:45

      What is the latest development re the genocide case that was brought to the International Criminal Court (in The Hague)..?

      Josefus - 2010-12-05 09:07

      Sounds good JJ, but in the end it would probably be us (the tax payer) who foots the bill for the R15million trail, and if ol Julius does get some jail time, he would be released for medical reasons after 02 weeks, for something serious as having body fat percentage of 85%.

  • To The Point - 2010-12-04 02:23

    Look at Malema he looks dim - acts like a fool and when he opens his buffoon trap nothing more than stupid BLAH pours out. Leave him he is the perfect mascot and symbol of ANC ethos. As long as ANC protect gobbledygooks like him, more people will realise the ANC ended when Madiba retired. Give him enough rope and he will hang himself. The intelligent youth of this country despise him only the uneducated cheer him on.

      AJ - 2010-12-06 06:13

      "The intelligent youth of this country despise him only the uneducated cheer him on" - Care to comment on the numbers of educated vs uneducated youth. You can't say 'only the uneducated cheer him' as if they are an insignificant element when they outvote the rest by 3 to 1.

  • Joe - 2010-12-04 03:00

    I think the time to take up arms against the oppressor is just about here. I think it's time to take this oppressive government head on, and revert to the same tactics that brought them to power. I, for one, am sick and tired of the ANC's lack of citizen protection, and I feel the time is right to take that duty into our own hands, and declare that NO ONE will stand in our way to a free and prosperous life anymore, be it the AIDS ridden SANDF, the corrupt-to-the-bone-and-incompetent SAPS, the super-incompetent ANC, or the uncontrolled, death-deserving criminals. We can't let the mental equivalent of 3 year old toddlers lead South Africa into the abyss any longer. It is our RESPONSIBILITY to take action, and if that means taking up arms, then SO BE IT.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 08:00

      There were 29, 106 violent deaths last year. The average life expectancy peaked at 64 years in 1992 and is down to 52 years in 2010. In some provinces it is reported to be as low as 48 years. South Africa is one of few countries in which the infant mortality rate went up the past 10 years. Given how much death the ANC has caused I doubt killing more people will help or stop the ANC. I say stop paying your taxes, stop financially supporting a corrupt terrorist organisation which is now the ruling "government" of South Africa. African leaders have shown they are only in it for the money, let that money dry up, the easiest and legal way is to pay a new government, live outside of South Africa.

      Vedder - 2010-12-04 09:03

      @Authur...stop paying taxes.Are you going to bail us out of jail when they arrest me and my wife.Who will look after my 3 year old??

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 09:45

      @Vedder "the easiest and legal way is to pay a new government, live outside of South Africa"

  • Redson - 2010-12-04 04:30

    I think a new struggle is beginning in South Africa. What should the new struggle song be. I guarantee you, whatever it is the ANC would call it racist and "shoot" it down.

      Willie - 2010-12-04 04:58

      I agree with you Redson, if they sh*t in their clothes when the song "De Larey, De Larey" was sung because of its rhythm, what will they do if we start singing struggle songs along the lines of what they call freedom and struggle songs? Let's face it we are in a struggle in the new racist ANC ruled South Africa

  • Dan - 2010-12-04 05:53

    It is disgusting and even more disgusting to think a national government can support or accommodate rubbich like Malema and his kind in their structures. Malema and the ANC's attitude, as well as their support of that pathetic barbaric song just shows exactly the mentality of the ANC. Really a true backward and barbaric group of thugs.

  • Dan - 2010-12-04 06:17

    We have a great coutnry. Better than anything AUS, NZ, USA or UK can provide. Unfortunately we do not have a government with vision, integrity and accountability. Until the day all forms of racism, hate speach, discrimination, etc. are banned to all forms, we will never have peace & prosperity. After 16 years of "true" democracy, the ANC still blames apartheid for every problem and their hopeless incompetence. The ANC is no "leader", it is nothing more than a "movement" as they themsleves refer to it. We need a government with real leaders. Until the day the masses realizes they must elect leaders based on performance and not promisses or as a result of intimidation,we all will continue to suffer.

      danielgie - 2010-12-04 07:15

      well said ... unfortunately , the voting mass , the unschooled cannot read , write or use electronic communication ...

      Renny - 2010-12-04 07:59

      Well said, cant agree with you more, the only difference between us and Aus for example is just their ability to properly govern, c'mon SA vote with you heads.

      JackMeoff - 2010-12-04 10:45

      The ANC call themselves a "movement"....would that be a bowel "movement" you talk about ?

      franssmith100 - 2010-12-05 12:07

      sadly, it is not going to change. all over africa, it had to get really bad (people starving..etc) before SOMETIMES there were change - and that is also not a guarantee! Do yourself and your family a favour - get out! I am.

  • AraBilly - 2010-12-04 06:26

    Not a word from "our " government. What is that about? How come this dire issue is not being addressed by the highest levels in SOuth Africa? - 2010-12-04 08:16

      because they are happy when whites are unhappy, plain and simple.

  • ArtGee - 2010-12-04 06:58

    Sitting here reading the CRAPP you guys are posting here is beyond me! Why not simply go out there and start shooting????? Whats with this FEAR you have about the ANC this, the ANC that? You think going to WAR is the answer? Guess you have not thought this "WAR" thing through now have you? Have you thought of who will be protecting your families, whislt you on the "FRONT"???? How will you feed your families, when the economy is shut down??? SERIOUS!!! No gentleman, you are EDUCATED (I presume)there are MILLIONS of different ways to get back at the "ENEMY" and NOT resort to these "WAR TALKS". Rather speak to your fellow man, white, black asian or coloured, show them how the "ENEMY" is detroying the country. Print Headlines, reports etc., on how the "ENEMY is screwing up the economy, how they are plundering the wealth, all for their own gain. LET THEM READ IT, OR READ IT TO THEM. Make these fellow South Africans AWARE of what's REALLY going down and you will be winning a MAJOR PART OF THE BATTLE!!!!! Remember your party is only as strong as the LAST VOTE!!!!!!!!!!

      Africa - 2010-12-04 07:41

      Thats true you cannot be talking of war you are crazy people, white people you need to come out from your closets and meet the black people tell them how you need each other. Stop that bossy mentality you are loosing here blacks thinks they have nothing to loose. Since 1994 u ve risisted change (equality)and you have carried it over to now what a shame. you want black people to be berging you to love them? You are the ones who should seek for forgiveness. You have no choice you need to meet them halfway by sharing the wealth and land you store from them. Train them to be self reliant (to become farmers) just like you. You will see things will be better dont do this by yourselves but bring in a Prayer. We used to pray inorder for aparthied to end. Please stop calling Mandela those bad names have some respect and stop refering blacks as baboons because you need them.

      Vedder - 2010-12-04 09:04

      Totally agree!Im certainly not going to leave my family to fight JuJu and his boys.

      JJ - 2010-12-04 17:19

      Guess the moderators agree with your opinions. Any contradictions to your statements are removed... so much for the press and their objectivity.

      Hardtail - 2010-12-06 11:20

      JJ, you really thought for a second there, that this site in particular is meant for "uncensored" viewpoints? sorry dude, but remember, this is not a "freedom of speech" website, News24 is notorious for censoring posts.

  • danielgie - 2010-12-04 07:07

    It's no good trying to bring a religious viewpoint into this murderous act . We are a nation of many different people . We have to remember that black people are also being attacked , raped and murdered . The problem lies with political parties , who are now unable to neutralise a increasingly hostile black poverty stricken mass of peasants / labourers . I am sure there are many , many civilised black families who just as horrified over these killings ... let's keep a cool head and let the police do their job ... my sympathy to the families affected by this tragedy. danielinthelionsden.

  • Africa - 2010-12-04 07:15

    We all condemn the killings, but remember this is the hangover of your (white)mentality of treating the locals when you came to africa. Your were happy and living large when the blacks were being oppressed u did not want to stop your government from such inhuman practice, yourself are to blaim. But let us work together so stop such type of killings (black or white)God forgive us all.

      phillip.havenga - 2010-12-04 07:54

      Actually if you go back in history you will find that before the white mentality that you speak of arrived they were already slaughtering each other in inhumane tribal wars, just like your europeans. The difference however is that the white mentality has been to move on to a more civilised state of things while the african mentality is still to destroy whatever comes there way.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 08:13

      Other African nations are more peaceful. Other African nations have lower standards of living pre and post 1994. Whats the excuse of South African really? There is no excuse, trying to justify it is pointless. Furthermore.. while the rest of African was receiving independence and governing their own countries, only South Africans insisted on unification of separate countries/homelands. The oppression was overseen by your own governments in your own homelands, which did not develop like the rest of Africa. It wasn't the responsibility of the NP to force development on to people who did not want it. When we met the Zulu population we were fleeing from the British, then the Zulu population tried to exterminate us. It is hardly a one way street. South Africans are still fighting and it has to stop.

      JackMeoff - 2010-12-04 10:49

      Africa - You have mixed messages ! Please do not patronise us whites...we bear no il-feeling to any blacks, BUT we DO have a problem with savageness of certain elements of your culture and we are relying on the educated, civilized black person to don't tell us what we already know, but, rather to join us in this racist, criminal approach from the same people YOU put into power !

      Rev. H-Cubed - 2010-12-04 11:43

      Africa you are simply wrong. You say we did not want to change the previous government, but history records that in fact that is exactly what we did - we got rid of them. Too few people understand how that vile minority held power, not only over the black majority, but also over the white majority who ALSO opposed them. That control was lost when we had the first true opportunity to be counted equally, and that was in the referendum. Unlike the elections, which were determined in very carefully selected and biased electoral districts, the referendum allowed every vote to carry equal weight for the first time, and it resulted in an overthrow of the white minority by the white majority. Everything else flowed from that. For anyone to now throw back in our faces the lie that "we did nothing", is not only disrespectful to our efforts to rid the world of that evil, but it also provides ammunition for those who would return to that madness. The failure to acknowledge and appreciate the role played by many whites in the overthrow of apartheid is the single most definitive illustration of the new racism. Look very carefully at the FACTS of history, not the propaganda, and you will see as clearly as I do that the current ANC is a carbon copy of the Apartheid Nationalists. Our comrades who stood valiantly in the face of oppression have been replaced by the very evil we opposed, in shiny new clothes. We South Africans are strong, resolute people, in all our diversity. I saw that fact in '94, when millions of us stood patiently to cast a vote for democracy, and set an example for the world. We all put down the bullet, and picked up the ballot. We need to continue to deal with our problems that way. The sad reality is that we all now face the same problem again, and we need to fix it AGAIN. The happy fact is, we did it before, so the next time will be easier.

      James1 - 2010-12-06 13:47

      Yes, when I came to Africa. Let's see, I was born in SA about xx years ago. I surely don't remember killing any blacks, taking their land or abusing them otherwise. I do remember the referendum where we whites decided that we don't like what the government are doing to you and voted against them. Maybe you come from a different Africa where there was no referendum?

  • mikevantil - 2010-12-04 07:17

    My question is,who paid the savages in the township,to pay the farmworkers for info,on the owners whereabouts??You not telling me that the avarage savage in the township has got R1500-00 lying around,to pay for info.Someone is behind this!!!!

      Willem - 2010-12-04 08:07

      Yes, the government....

      Willem - 2010-12-04 08:21

      The government... refer to: "Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, often using militias to provide deniability of state responsibility (the Janjaweed in Darfur.) Sometimes organization is informal (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or decentralized (terrorist groups.) ".....""

  • Pothole - 2010-12-04 07:17

    Please be realistic. How long have you been living in Africa.We should by now have learned that the battle we have to fight will not be won in courts. No matter how many generations white people have been living in SA for the black people we are and will always be Europeans. Courts are by and for Europeans. The only language african people understand is violence and mob justice. The battle we have to fight will be won or lost that way. But we are not ready. We want to fight the batlle in courts and in comments over the internet. After we vented our anger in these forums we sit back fell better and order our pizzas and felt we participated in the battle. We should drastically change this mindset. We only display weakness in the eyes of the african. It is time for the lion to roar to chase the hyeana into his hideout. Let us see what will happen 2011. But still join Afrforum. Fighting in court at least is better than nothing.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 08:17

      The concept of the Rule of Law is lost in South Africa.

      Mundu - 2010-12-04 16:45

      It seems the "swaart gevaar" warnings given by the Nat's was correct. Now SA has to live with the consequences of disregarding it. I wonder if the pre 94 electorate would have agreed to this had they known what a evil, useless bunch of retards the African Neanderthal Congress was going to be. Ah for 20/20 vision!!

  • philk.con - 2010-12-04 07:18

    PJ Malema is a coward and so is the barbaric cwards that killed the Potgieter family. I call all of them barbaric cowards because attack armless people on the farms.

  • Henk - 2010-12-04 07:39

    Don't be so naive this killing and every other one is our own fault. I hope that every one that voted Yes in 1992 is sleeping sound tonight The 1992 referendum was held in South Africa on 17 March of that year. In it, white South Africans[1] were asked to vote in the country's last whites-only referendum to determine whether or not they supported the negotiated reforms begun by State President F.W. de Klerk two years earlier, in which he proposed to end the apartheid that had been started in 1948. The result of the election was a large victory for the "yes" side, which ultimately resulted in apartheid being lifted.

      darkwing - 2010-12-04 09:37

      I agree, Henk. We should have voted 'no, then the genocide could have happened ten years ago and we all would be in heaven now.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 10:20

      Nope, back then it was mutually assured destruction. Everyone had allot to lose. These days people think they can gain something from an armed conflict with is absolutely crazy. There has been no war worth waging, look are the Boere war, now we have around +-400 000 I estimate South Africans living under the crown.

      Rev. H-Cubed - 2010-12-04 11:53

      Darkwing,I will never regret voting "yes" in both referendums. Arthur, you're spot on. The only people who crave war are those who have not experienced it, or the insane.

      Johan - 2010-12-05 17:33

      Henk, you're ridiculous. You and I know that apartheid would never have been sustainable in the long run, and that it was wrong. What makes you think you deserve all the opportunities but deny it to other people? The reason for all of this is a combination of factors, which includes poverty, a spineless government, idiots like malema and then just some plain sick people who commit the crimes.

      James1 - 2010-12-06 13:51

      Henk, the yes vote didn't do this. If we had voted no then our young men would still be dying on the borders, we would still have landmines and limets and car bombs. Our troepies would still be in the townships where things like Sharpville could happen at any time. While what we have is bad the border war was worse.

      Francois B - 2010-12-06 15:53

      I was too young to vote in 1994.. But whether we voted yes or no.. we still would have been facing challenges today (in many cases we are f-ed). In my opinion we are better off having voted yes.. Darkwing may be right.. If we voted no, we would have most likely been blown to pieces by another state, if not killed in guerilla warfare...

  • Mart - 2010-12-04 07:41

    quite tragically, this is another opportunity for all self respecting and law abiding citizens of South African, black and white 'et al', to hold hands in solidarity against the ANC and it's failure to deliver on security for all. Whether the victims of crime are on a farm, in a township, in the city or in a remote village we have to take a stand. If the ANC has badly mutated to such an extent that the welfare of the organisation is placed way before the basic needs of the people of this country, then they are identifiable as the enemy and must be addressed as such. I call for an immediate referendum on the death penalty, mandatory sentences for criminals, and a positive response from the spineless President who is failing this country so badly. Let us unite one and all against an organisation that has lost the plot and which is leading us to ruin.

  • depmode - 2010-12-04 07:43

    Dear god man...8 hours ago Daniel writes.."Run to Christ not the courts. It's not Malema or the ANC, it's satan"" TWAT wHERE WAS YOUR DEAR CHRIST WHEN A 3 YEAR OLD LITTLE GIRL WAS BEING SHOT. And the hitler/charles darwin connection is priceless. Another South African family loses their lives and you go on about the biggest fairy tale ever told....and Charles Darwin...tell me, can you read?????

      ArtGee - 2010-12-04 09:11

      Well said Depmode... religion is for those that believe in IMAGINARY PEOPLE!!!!

      JJ - 2010-12-04 10:57

      A small comfort, to know she is with Him now. Eternity is a long time depmode. I wish you the best. @ArtGee - Not people. Definitely not people...

      Anne - 2010-12-04 18:43

      People do heinous things by their OWN choice. If only they did what God urges them to do, namely to love their fellow man, this murder would not have taken place. Stop blaming God when things go wrong.

  • Flash555 - 2010-12-04 07:46

    The target was indentified,the savages in the township,were paid,they in turn,paid for the info,then carried out the attack!!!Thats how it all panned out!!You show me your average criminal,who pays R1500-00 for info,on a place he has no clue about...huh??Someone is paying for these attacks to be executed!!!

      Capone - 2010-12-04 08:30


  • depmode - 2010-12-04 07:48

    The theory of evolution...took a brave man to stand up to a bunch of fantic pshycopaths

  • depmode - 2010-12-04 07:56

    Flash 555, could not agree more. We will be systematically wiped out. The writing is on the wall and there is nothing that anyone can do about it

  • semaj - 2010-12-04 08:00

    The very best thing that could happen to Malema is to be thrown into jail. Then, after a suitable period of suffering behind bars he can be hailed as a "True comrade of the struggle" Perhaps that is what he wants?

  • vanwykbj - 2010-12-04 08:11

    Your country is screwed, period. Loonie bin stuff, the next major civil war the world will see will originate in SA - and it will not be a Sunday school picnic like Rwanda or the Balkans - it's going to be much worse, with no winners, just a country and it's people ripped to hell.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 10:10

      @Capone You are pouring fuel on a fire you can not control. Your attitude is very harmful. I'm reporting your posts one by one.

  • Marx - 2010-12-04 08:13

    Morning everyone I have read through most of these comments and seen some diverse answers. The fact of the matter is that black and white have never seen and never will see eye-to-eye. Plain and simple. We live in an illusion that we can have this happy little corner of the earth where we have all smiles and rainbows and love. Ain’t gonna happen, has not happen in any other country in the world and will not happen in this one. Its no-one’s fault and its everyone’s fault. Its just the way it is. The sooner we as people except this, the sooner we can actually open our eyes and hopefully resolve this peacefully

      colafantacervezabeer - 2010-12-05 18:37


  • Willem - 2010-12-04 08:29

    Refer to: Genocide is always organized, usually by the state, often using militias to provide deniability of state responsibility (the Janjaweed in Darfur.) Sometimes organization is informal (Hindu mobs led by local RSS militants) or decentralized (terrorist groups.)

  • YasButIDunno - 2010-12-04 08:33

    The ANC got the support of the EU, USA etc. during the "struggle" by pretending to be championing Human Rights. How times have changed since they had the power and the money handed to them. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts completely.

  • G_MAN - 2010-12-04 08:34

    I am not ANC supporter, but i prefer Anc over AAVEEBEE(N P). On behalf of all non whites! Oh and i agree Malema is inciting violence.

      LBS - 2010-12-04 18:58

      G_MAN you obviously skipped over the period where the NP jumped into bed with the ANC. We got rid of one rotten bunch and replaced them with another rotten bunch, who now practice reverse racism with impunity and only acknowledge the poor when it's voting time. Take the blinkers off - the ANC are destroying the country and enriching a select few in the upper echelons of the ANC!!

  • Fifbad - 2010-12-04 08:39

    To everybody who has made their comments regarding this savage event that took place in South Africa. I applaud you to send all your comments / stories to the following e-mail address. The more we make the world attend the better response we will get. PLEASE – take 5 minutes out of your day and send your feedback/story.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 08:56

      This is what we need to do. In the negotiations ending 1994 we did not leave ourselves a backdoor to escape, we need to be recognised as refugees or at least the right of return should be enacted so we can escape in time. This is an excellent idea people, please communicate with and make your voice heard, your voice will be heard and not ignored.

      Fifbad - 2010-12-04 09:53

      Dear Arthur We should try an institute some sort of action. Maybe create and Facebook profile link to the Genocide webpage. It is an easy media to use and for free with unlimited capabilities. Here is my private e-mail address should you be interested in such campaign. All it will take is a little bit of our time. Regards Morne

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 10:16 There are such groups already. I'm in a profession that demands I keep my nose clear from such groups, they often tend to be become extremists movements. Don't post your email address here, if you do expect allot of Russian porn. Use and create a temporary address valid for 1 week.

  • Deono - 2010-12-04 08:44

    All together now 1, 2, 3, Shoot Malema, Kill the ANCYL!

  • Ayoba-101 - 2010-12-04 08:59

    I personally condemn the perpetrators of such a senseless crime & feel strongly that the ANC youth league & the ANC are the driving-force behind these racially-motivated crimes, carried out by sub-human barbarians. You cannot only pass blame to the youth league, when you consider the Malema / JZ political show of the century currently running: JZ the silent puppet master & Malema the outspoken puppet are really brothers-in-arms, made from the same cloth & sharing the same idealogies. Malema is merely the talk behind JZ's walk. Why do you think the ANC are appealing for a song that clearly incites violence & creates racial divisions in our rainbow country, supports the Malema-Mugabe nationalisation of mines absurdity, and just recently supported the ANC youth league in hosting a conference for their not-too illustrious counterparts from North Korea, Venezuela and Zimbabwe. I do believe Malema, JZ and the majority of our ANC goverment feel that by inciting racial hatred towards white people, they can divert their own lies, greed, corruption and lack of service delivery to win enough votes from many black people, who are becoming increasingly angry about all the broken promises & lies regurgitated from the ruling party year after year. But I ask you how many more innocent lives must be lost because of a devious political agenda?

      ArtGee - 2010-12-04 10:34

      Should the ANC and their Cadre's get it right to "DRIVE THE WHITE'S OUT THE COUNTRY", they will be shooting themselves in the foot, BIG TIME! They know MOST of the taxes paid into the coffers are from the WHITE MINORITY! Without the taxes, they will revert to living in Mud Huts! And they are AWARE of that! Doubt that is their plan. It is UPTO you and ME, to RE-EDUCATE your fellow Saffa's, of ALL COLOURS, on how CROOKED their leaders really are. Remember, most of the blakc saffa's do NOT have the internet, are NOT aware of the thievery and lawlessness currently happening in SA! Wake-Up and start educating those folk around you! Do not forget, the results of the voting is what will turn this country around!

      Hardtail - 2010-12-06 11:28

      Hey Art...ever heard of AID organisations? Like the UN? or the USA-AID? the ANC and Cadres could care less about the loss of white tax-payers, because, they will get hundreds of millions of dollars in AID from the liberal west, AID that will never reach the for your, it's 45 to 1...that is what democracy means, a garderner's vote count's the same as yours...and you are educated? but for a educated man, you sure spout a lot of crap.

  • Brendon - 2010-12-04 09:32

    news24 are moderating comments now I see.....wake up you whites!!! helloooooo, death is knocking on our door.

      ArtGee - 2010-12-04 10:23


      Hardtail - 2010-12-06 11:30

      Hey Arty...i wonder at people like you...guess when the mob is at your door - you are going to wave your pinko-liberal-commie loving credentials and try to tell them not to kill you, cos you are one of the goodies huh? Hope it works for you bud....

  • semaj - 2010-12-04 10:06

    There are chilling undertones to the ongoing violence that all of us, white and black,are experiencing. To gain insight it might help if you read a book by Peter Godwin, title..."The Fear". It is a chronicle of the Zimbabwean saga. The parallels that could be drawn between what is going on in this country and the recent political history of Zimbabwe since Mugabe arrived on the scene are quite remarkable. Depopulate the agricultural areas, frighten the whites and their employees off the land; keep referring to them as "settlers" or "colonists" and redistribute the resulting empty farms to your loyal "Struggle Comrades" The sooner we get rid of this scourge that is looming the better. A good first step would be to get rid of the words comrade, then learners, then educators and become compatriots.

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 10:18

      That makes allot of sense.

  • Dave - 2010-12-04 10:06

    What you have to understand is that democracy will never work in Africa. Africa is still living in the middle ages where tribalism was still rampant. The most powerful tribe rules....not the most popular. How the tribe gets powerful is up to them. Democracy is all about how the losers deal with it. In a tribal winner takes all environment this does not go down well. Remember that most of the citizens of South Africa were still living in mud huts, tending cattle and making beer up until about 100 years ago. In some areas of SA this is still the case. Changing their thinking and their inbred culture is what needs to happen for true transformation to occur. The large percentage of African countries that have been turned over to the local inhabitants from their colonial occupiers have failed due to this very fact.

  • Dave - 2010-12-04 10:07

    What you have to understand is that democracy will never work in Africa. Africa is still living in the middle ages where tribalism was still rampant. It took the western world a couple of hundred years and several long wars to realise this. The most powerful tribe rules....not the most popular. How the tribe gets powerful is up to them. Democracy is all about how the losers deal with it. In a tribal winner takes all environment this does not go down well. Remember that most of the citizens of South Africa were still living in mud huts, tending cattle and making beer up until about 100 years ago. In some areas of SA this is still the case. Changing their thinking and their inbred culture is what needs to happen for true transformation to occur. The large percentage of African countries that have been turned over to the local inhabitants from their colonial occupiers have failed due to this very fact.

  • JackMeoff - 2010-12-04 10:51

    AFRICA = Where 10 illiterate savages can outvote 9 civilized professors. Enough said !

  • danjon1000 - 2010-12-04 10:55

    Its simple, the ANCF are racist 'CNUTS' One ANC conference, one bomb!

  • danjon1000 - 2010-12-04 11:00

    Its simple, the ANCF are racist 'CNUTS' One ANC conference, one bomb!

      Renier - 2010-12-06 12:42

      What happend to the slogan"one settler,one bullet".Maybe it is time to return the favour.

  • Don - 2010-12-04 11:28

    Just a question: What would have happened had the NP dug in its heels and so no to the abolishment of apartheid? Honest, emotional free and sober answers only please. Thanks!

      Arthur Phili - 2010-12-04 12:12

      @Don There would have been a 1st developed country next to 10 homelands/Bantustans. Sanctions would have made us more independent, if anything. This was true in 1994. Bantustans would have been more developed compared to the rest of Africa, inhabitants would have enjoyed a higher standard of living relative to the rest of Africa. This was true in 1994. Given how well the ANC rules South Africa nothing more could be expected. The leaders which failed to make those nations totally independent are currently failing all South Africans. Given the state of the current South African military, corruption, infrastructure they would not have posed a material threat if they escalated their campaign of violence and terror. Like the rest of Africa +-50% of their GDP would have been subsidised. The major difference would be HIV. Due to the voice of reason against the ANC a policy to curb its spread has been implemented. Swaziland is my model on which I base homeland assumptions. Swaziland has 26% prevalence of HIV, life expectancy is 32 years only. The long-term survival of Swaziland as a country is seriously threatened. However it is worth noting that under the NP life expectancy in South Africa was 64 years in 1992 and 52 years in 2010, 48 years in some provinces like Natal. Events like Zimbabwe, the increasing problem the West experiences first hand with foreign nationals would have turned the international opinion or at least made it an tacitly-acceptable issue.

      Willem - 2010-12-04 12:33

      Every theory about this will always be highly debatable....hindsight is a good thing, but it merely comes too late. What I do know is that the proper controls would still have been in place to control situations that might have gotten out of hand i.e. water pollution, food production and electricity supply. The different independent countries would have continued to successfully govern themselves (Bophuthatswana, Ciskei, Transkei, etc.) where people of the same ethnic group with the same moral values would have been deciding about their own affairs for themselves. This was much more peaceful with way less conflicts or room for conflicts than currently. The violence in the country is not normal and the constant common excuse that not only white people are murdered is severely infuriating! The fact is still: the most of these killings by far are by black people. Second important fact about genocide: “Extremist terrorism targets moderates, intimidating and silencing the center. Moderates from the perpetrators’ own group are most able to stop genocide, so are the first to be arrested and killed.” Ref:

      Snoek - 2010-12-06 09:07

      Norway and Sweden got the Nobel peace prize for separating in two independent countries. So why didn’t FW negotiated a similar deal? I know people would moan about the mines etc. But who owns the mines today?

      Picasso - 2010-12-06 11:40

      More than 3000 farmers to feed the nation? Anyway, what is the point of moaning about what if's?